[XXL]

(11-04-2012 09:54 PM)BasketBounce Wrote:  

I naturally fall into the "keep everything positive" vibe when I'm trying to court a girl.

well if you're experienced conversationalist then you probably know that mixing compliments and teases makes the interaction fun/unpredictable. which to her is confusing. which is arousing. cause she doesn't know what's next, what's this guy gonna do, what she will feel in a minute, she can't figure you out, she's curious, you say "oh you're so sweet, like a candy i want to unwrap you slowly" and she feels good. you add "i hope you don't fart when you sleep" and she's like whaaat?! where did that come from? wtf! it's fine as long as these compliments/teases are not overboard [like "you're too dumb cunt to sip wine, drink my semen instead" or "i can't even imagine not being with you"]

(11-04-2012 09:54 PM)BasketBounce Wrote:  

The problem for me,I think, is that it's very easy to get friend zoned by the more attractive girls. Being normal is easy, and I have my fair share of conversation with attractive women. But letting the woman know that I'm attracted to her...that's a little difficult.

no need to put them down to raise yourself. that attitude will fuck you up hard, you will be another guy who can relate to hot chicks only by negging them. lame.

simply put.. every person wants to be special in some sort of way. make her special and she will like you. [read "how to make friends and influence people"]. show you like her for something about her [soul, not body]. which in pickup game is known as...

QUALIFICATION

don't let a women know you're attracted 100%. give her 50%. let her know you're curious. be like "hmm so tempting, who's she?". be the sceptical one. blame her for approaching. tell her "look what you're doing to me? how the hell did you make me come over?" when you take on that approach you can easily compliment her and it will be well received cause she sees that you're after her soul while her body is just a prerequisite, a decoy.

and also when it doesn't go well you easily get out of the situation with dignity as you can simply say "you know what? i guess we don't really fit each other, that's fine, have a good day" since you weren't chasing her from the start, you were auditioning/interviewing.

truth is you automatically do that when you have options at the time. it is easily noticeable for example on summer vacations where you fuck around all day every day so you naturally get more selective and you cut off girls who are less attractive than those you already mess with.

if you just want to score then fake it till you make it.

(11-04-2012 09:54 PM)BasketBounce Wrote:  

I've been friend zoned one too many times, and it has left a bitter of a taste in my mouth, so I generally don't engage women the attractive women I see on the street

express boundaries/tastes. HUGE. this is why you get friendzoned [1st reason - not escalating]. you don't challenge them at all. you just validate validate validate. hot chick knows she's hot. she knows you find her package attractive. if you don't focus on her soul instead of her body you're "just another fan". she doesn't need another fan. switch from "i really want you" to "who are you?" frame. screen screen screen. express your tastes and boundaries. it's totally different game. you're the jury of the show. while most guys are dtf before the interaction starts you're the guy who can walk away if she doesn't make the cut to not waste time. screening is attitude and state of mind IMO.

[BasketBounce]

Thanks for the advice, you two.

XXL, I notice that you commonly refer to screening and expressing your tastes so that you end up going after a girl that you actually like and just some hot chick. Would you say it's difficult or challenging to screen a girl without making it so obvious that she may notice it and get offended?

Or is worrying too much about offending her a little too beta of me? Definitely sounds like it...

[Ramon Zarate]

(10-13-2012 01:12 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

Haha.

Me: hey waz up?
Me: I said whaz up!!!
Me: You speak English or what?!?!
Me: What are you fucking eating??
Me: Hey!!I'm talking at you! You deaf?
Her: Yes (in sign language)
Me: Bout time you said something!
Her: Go away
Me: What's your number?
Me: I'll call you for a hook up
Her: Calling security
Me: Give me those digits first

now that would be persistence lol. "I'll call you for a hook up" standard

[Nudge]

Where do you normally do this daygame in London? Oxford st/central London I'm guessing?

[bojangles]

(11-05-2012 11:39 AM)Nudge Wrote:  

Where do you normally do this daygame in London? Oxford st/central London I'm guessing?

Yep, can do it anywhere in town though, it's a busy place.

[Nudge]

Have you tried all the markets around town? Portabello road, Borough market, Camden, Brick lane and Colombia rd on sunday, spitalfields etc.

[bojangles]

I've done it in Camden yes, and also around the city area during the week. You can daygame at any moment as soon as you see that girl that tickles your fancy, approach her.

[AlbertoDelMuerto]

Ramon, I am in London.
Nudge, I daygame in Knightsbridge,Marble Arch,Mayfair & Oxford Street. Never tried East London and Camden, as those places don't really have a lot of Middle-eastern and Eastern European women. However, this week I'll do Portobello Road and Ladbroke Grove.

[_GQ_]

Have you used POF/OkCupid at all to supplement your day gaming?

[XXL]

BasketBounce Wrote:

Would you say it's difficult or challenging to screen a girl without making it so obvious that she may notice it and get offended?

the whole point of screening is to let her know you actually do it. i want her to know i'm not sold on her. i want her to be surprised. i want her to question me. i want her to feel like being auditioned. i want her to know i'm willing to walk away if we have zero chemistry. that's what makes you stand out.

don't complicate it. it's simple. screening is like shopping. you have in mind what you want/like and when you find some of that you examine/compare it all to pick best one(s). so you meet each other and as you speak/interact and checking who she is you can feel the potential [or its lack], just by seeing how she reacts to your personality/attitude it's not that hard to judge whether you will enjoy each other, whether she's the kind of girl you can date or hit & quit or keep as a friend. if she doesn't get with the program you can leave with no regrets.

as for other question.. why would she feel offended? what would you do to make her pissed off right away? you can express your tastes/boundaries in fun & tasteful way. i totally dig the fantastic line from > THIS THREAD < very direct and "sweet". it's good thing to say to check how she handles that kind of sexual jokes. so it doesn't need to be harsh. you just want to see if something is likely to happen between both of you in near future. if it's not likely then you excuse yourself and wish her good bye.

you get the drift? "let's meet and see if she's cool" attitude

[AlbertoDelMuerto]

(11-05-2012 01:56 PM)_GQ_ Wrote:  

Have you used POF/OkCupid at all to supplement your day gaming?

Nope! Online Dating sites are full of fatties. I believe quality>quantity, and I refuse to approach anything less than a 7.

[_GQ_]

When is the last time you roasted some vadge?

[AlbertoDelMuerto]

(11-05-2012 06:37 PM)_GQ_ Wrote:  

When is the last time you roasted some vadge?

Dry spell for the last 5 weeks. I am supposed to meet up with a chick at 8 pm tomorrow, hopefully this will be the end of the dry spell, and if not then this weekend I'll even screw a fatty as long as it's not ugly.

[_GQ_]

Get in lad!

[Matt3B]

(11-05-2012 05:35 PM)AlbertoDelMuerto Wrote:  

(11-05-2012 01:56 PM)_GQ_ Wrote:  

Have you used POF/OkCupid at all to supplement your day gaming?

Nope! Online Dating sites are full of fatties. I believe quality>quantity, and I refuse to approach anything less than a 7.

You ain't getting shit at the moment. You've got no quantity and you're coming out and ignoring people's advice to you and disregarding some of the top bloggers in the manosphere saying their stuff doesn't work. Go take a look at yourself lad. Your self belief in your own technique is admirable but it's wrong, you've done over 100 approaches and you've got nowhere. You need to fix something with yourself and you're not going to get quality if you don't get quantity first.

[bojangles]

MattC is on the right track here for you Alberto. How far have you unplugged from the matrix? Whatever outer confidence you may be showing in your sets this can easily be betrayed by your inner confidence and this is something women will easily pick up on. Work on your inner game as much as your daygame. Even though beginners tend to go through the 'fake it till they make it' phase, at the same time you should be securing your interior to match up to the exterior so that when in set you're not faking it you are the attractive man that's making a girl's pussy tingle.

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over while expecting a different result

It seems like you've reached the above point, all the transcripts you've posted so far just seem to show you're doing the same things despite what advice is being fed to you here notably by the resolute XXL, who has patience far beyond the rest of us, good man.

You say you want quality>quantity but so far your approach number conversions into even dates (the main aim of a daygame approach is to get laid not to get dates) construes you're doing quantity rather than quality. At this present time seeing as you're new you should be looking at the quality of your approaches rather than the quality of your targets. Approach, approach, approach will only get you so far, sure you'll get a few dates from 100 approaches, maybe even a lay but what is the point of that. You want to be beyond that, it puzzles me that you laud Jon Matrix but disparage Torero, Yad and co. The puzzlement of course coming from the fact that they are all from the same London 'daygame PUA school'.

As Matt says your belief in your technique picked up from Paul Janka etc is admirable but it's wrong (not withstanding the fact that Paul Janka operates in a completely different city and environment). There are a lot of London daygame specialists who've got it down to tee using various methods (ones mentioned earlier plus Krauser, SteveJabba (puamarketing.com)). They all though started somewhere, they didnt start opening sets how they do now, they adapted over time as their innergame strengthened and they became the men they are now, they created value. They would not be able to use they approach method they use now when they started due to that difference in their value. I used to do once upon a time what was known as the wisdom opener. It was essentially "beta daygame", devised from the RSG bastards school, but I was a beta guy (still have some beta tendencies) and in my first 100 approaches I got 10 numbers, 8 dates. I remember those as it was the start of a journey, but the opener was as pure and as simple as it can be and could be used by any man. Over the years it's changed, and even now I still vary my approach style (still direct) dependent on the quality of the girl I'm approaching and signals she gives off. This is the result of my value being very different to when I first started out, hence why with low value I would do 'beta daygame' as it was congruent with who I was at the time. It's not easy and never has been, but if you're going to commit to daygaming, then don't just focusing on the actual daygame part, there's other circumstances too mostly revolving around you. There's one commodity that you have that some number of guys who take the red pill don't and that is time, you're a student, you're still very young and though that might work to your disadvantage (especially in London), when you're hitting your late 20s and early 30s you'll absolutely dismantle this town (or wherever).

[Giovonny]

(11-04-2012 03:16 PM)AlbertoDelMuerto Wrote:  

So 24 hrs after the number close, I call her, but she doesn't pick up, but instead texts 'Who's This??' I text back 5 mins later, ' Oh hey Kelly, Alberto here, are we still on for Tuesday?' No replies yet, I am quite certain she met someone last night, fuck Saturdays! She was giving me genuine IOIs

Welcome to the world of day game!

Getting numbers is the easy part, turning those numbers into bangs requires a bit more skill. (text/call game, date game, closing skills, etc)

You ever night game?

(11-05-2012 07:04 PM)AlbertoDelMuerto Wrote:  

Dry spell for the last 5 weeks.

How did you the last girl you banged? Day game? Social circle?

[AlbertoDelMuerto]

Giovanny, that was a club slut. Night game is too expensive for me, these days I only go to free entry bars. Once a month I go to superclubs!

Oh btw, chick I was supposed to meet up today cancelled 2 hours prior to the date with a BS reason, and suggests we meet up tomorrow, but she is also fine with other days of the week. ai wanna screw her on the first date, but she has classes Monday through Friday, so if I meet her up tomorrow it's not gonna be a same night lay, so I am thinking Friday...

[BasketBounce]

(11-05-2012 02:44 PM)XXL Wrote:  

you get the drift? "let's meet and see if she's cool" attitude

Yeah, I definitely understand that part of what you're saying. Allow me to reword my question: How can I subtly screen a woman? I dunno about you, but it seems pretty choppy and, well, not smooth for me to suddenly ask a girl if she knows how to take a joke, or if she really does enjoy dancing for the sake of dancing. These are some qualities that I really like in a woman; I understand that I can screen out women who don't meet those standards. However, I'd rather not have her feel like I'm interviewing her when I'm talking to her, ya know?

[Insignia]

First of all its not what you say, its the vibe you project and also you are asking too much questions. Alphas don't ask questions because its like you are trying to get her to validate, start making statements instead.

[bojangles]

how's it going BasketBounce and Alberto?

[AlbertoDelMuerto]

1st Date with Arab chick from a number-close last week:
*Chick doesn't drink, so my plans to take her to to lounge bar or even a dive bar fails
*I take her to Italian restaurant, as I was hungry and didn't have anything to eat in hours (as you can guess by now I did not get laid or even get to make out with her, dammit)
*I lightly kinoed her grabbed her hands two her three times
*I tell her I'm gonna watch a horror movie after diner and she should come with me, but she says she's gotta wake up early, and has to go.
*The overall date lasted only 90 mins including travel.
*She suggests meeting up again tomorrow, but I tell her I have plans and I don't think I can meet her, but she can text me,and if I am free we can probably meet at night

There is obviously a language barrier, she just flew in a week ago to do a ESL course, hence I cannot really be cocky and funny with her. Give me some date ideas for chicks that do not drink. As for escalating more, let's just say this long spell has destroyed my libido, I gotta start taking some Horny Goat Weed!

[AlbertoDelMuerto]

Not really getting better results at Oxford street, and this is partly because women get hit on all the time by newbie puas around Oxford street. I'm gonna try some new streets, and I'm also gonna record my approaches (just audio), can't be bothered with video cause it's too easy to get caught.

I recently contacted that Matrix dude, he said 75 pounds an hour for daygame training! That's too much for me.

[Giovonny]

I'm looking forward to this audio of Alberto's approaches!

Suerte dude!

[Deluge]

(11-04-2012 03:16 PM)AlbertoDelMuerto Wrote:  

Me: (I tap her shoulder as she is headed to the opposite direction) Hey, Do you where Marble Arch is, I am a little confused if it's this way or that..
Her She taps my shoulder,says hey and smiles) I am not sure, but lemme ask someone who knows (she proceeds to wak to the Primark security guy, at this point I grab her arm, and drag her to me)
Me: Hey no need to ask anyone, I know exactly where it is, I just wanted to talk to you because I think you are cute. (She smiles and playfully hits my right shoulder)
Me: What's your name?
Her: Kelly
Meon't tell me you're a student
Her: No I am not, but are you?
Me: Yes
Her: Where you from, you sound American
Me: LA
Her: What part of LA?
Me: Culver City
Her: Oh wow, I lived in Beverly Hills for 3 months
Me: How was it?
Her: Amazing
Me: So Kelly, let's hang out
Hre: What right now?I got a meeting now.
Me: Not right now, I have to meet up w friends
So let's meet up on Minday.
Her: I can do Tuesday, but where?
Me: Fair enough, I will let you know where
Her: Cool
Me:What's your number?
Her: You give me yours, Ima call you now
Me:xxxxxx, yea go it, I am Alberto btw
Her: Alberto.
We hug and part ways.....

Easy tip for you. Don't go for the number close so early in the interaction unless there's no way for the conversation to continue. Any number you get from such a short conversation at this stage has a 100% chance of flaking. Instead of saying "let's hang out" you could have a fun discussion about Los Angeles, your favourite spots there, how much the sprawl sucks, how it compares to London yada yada yada. Make a focused effort to stick in your sets longer and build a connection.