[iknowexactly]

(12-22-2011 12:01 PM)Luckystar Wrote:  

(12-17-2011 02:18 PM)Layercake Wrote:  

I want Ukraine so badly! I'm getting hit-up on Mambu.ru & vKontact.ru by beauties! 8-9's even! They contacted me!

Guess why?

Mamba has a reputation that is doing downhill apparently. Also, here in Kiev a few expats have divulged a little gem of a dating site that they are quite smug about. Evidently, it is much more fruitful.

I'm on Mamba in Lviv and getting nothing. Possibly because scammers think it would be too easy to check if they were real. I could say, "meet me at a cafe tomorrow."

Unless you have confirmation that a person is who they say they are, (webcam conversation might be an example) you have to assume anything you get from EE is a scam. One shitty scammer agency I dealt with, after I wrote some chicks, when I said I was coming to Ukraine, almost all of them were like, "Oh, I'll be away when you get here, I'm [ going to school in Poland] /[away with my family] etc. The chicks probably exist somewhere, but have no ideas the agencies are writing letters in their name.


I'm pretty undercover clothing wise, but on buses and in cafes when I speak I get glares from the men, who can't even come close to competing with Western salary guys in this kleptocracy. Ultimately, there's such a glut of stunning Slavic chicks they don't really feel like they're cut out of the picture, but for some I'm sure they enjoy taking out their hostility scamming western guys.

[ManAbout]

(12-22-2011 12:21 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

I'm on Mamba in Lviv and getting nothing. Possibly because scammers think it would be too easy to check if they were real. I could say, "meet me at a cafe tomorrow."

Unless you have confirmation that a person is who they say they are, (webcam conversation might be an example) you have to assume anything you get from EE is a scam. One shitty scammer agency I dealt with, after I wrote some chicks, when I said I was coming to Ukraine, almost all of them were like, "Oh, I'll be away when you get here, I'm [ going to school in Poland] /[away with my family] etc. The chicks probably exist somewhere, but have no ideas the agencies are writing letters in their name.

Ask them for their Vkontakte ID. If they say they don't have one, or if their Vkontakte profile page is just full of spammers posting stuff, with no pictures of them with friends or anything, then you are talking to a fake or a scammer.

[iknowexactly]

(12-22-2011 12:52 PM)ManAbout Wrote:  

(12-22-2011 12:21 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

I'm on Mamba in Lviv and getting nothing.

Ask them for their Vkontakte ID. If they say they don't have one, or if their Vkontakte profile page is just full of spammers posting stuff, with no pictures of them with friends or anything, then you are talking to a fake or a scammer.

I appreciate your attempt to help, but WHOM should I ask for the vkontakte? What I'm trying to say is no one is messaging me and hardly anyone writes back. There's no one to verify. It should be noted I'm an older guy and almost all younger chicks put an age limit of 35.

[ManAbout]

(12-22-2011 01:36 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

(12-22-2011 12:52 PM)ManAbout Wrote:  

(12-22-2011 12:21 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

I'm on Mamba in Lviv and getting nothing.

Ask them for their Vkontakte ID. If they say they don't have one, or if their Vkontakte profile page is just full of spammers posting stuff, with no pictures of them with friends or anything, then you are talking to a fake or a scammer.

I appreciate your attempt to help, but WHOM should I ask for the vkontakte? What I'm trying to say is no one is messaging me and hardly anyone writes back. There's no one to verify. It should be noted I'm an older guy and almost all younger chicks put an age limit of 35.

Assuming that you start a conversation with a girl, whether it's you messaging her or the other way around.

As for the stated age limit, just ignore it, and message them anyway.

[Deb Auchery]

There's no age limit in Ukraine, as long as you have cash. This country is a great anti-ageing remedy

[Deb Auchery]

Op, try going to "Leroy" club if you haven't been, older guys with younger girls kinda thing.

[Deb Auchery]

Concerning Mamba, I do rather well on that site. But remember....Lviv is a village, girls are cautious about advertising themselves. It's worth messaging girls with no profile picture and getting her to email you some pics.

Met a girl on Mamba a couple of days ago, no profile pic, sent me some pics, she's probably a 7. Was supposed to meet her today, but I had this 20yr old who gave it up to me finally.

Also trying going through some of the local Facebook pages, try "Opera Passage" , "Gloria Jeans", "Metro Club" go through and add a ton of chicks. I did that with about 10 girls, a managed to get dates with 4 of them.

It's not easy meeting girls over 25 in Lviv though, by that age they are married, or have moved to Kiev

[ManAbout]

(12-22-2011 05:40 PM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  

It's not easy meeting girls over 25 in Lviv though,

But, in Ukraine, why would one want to?

[Luckystar]

(12-22-2011 05:09 PM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  

There's no age limit in Ukraine, as long as you have cash. This country is a great anti-ageing remedy

I don't know. I like the ability to use cash as a tool, but often the vibe with Russian/Ukrainian girls is very transactional.

Yes, they enjoy the sex but they are fish and don't fuck very well.

Yes, they give you the GFE, but it doesn't seem/feel real.

Often, they don't care about me or my looks. Perhaps, it's my narcissism talking.

[iknowexactly]

(12-22-2011 09:56 PM)Luckystar Wrote:  

(12-22-2011 05:09 PM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  

There's no age limit in Ukraine, as long as you have cash. This country is a great anti-ageing remedy

I don't know. I like the ability to use cash as a tool, but often the vibe with Russian/Ukrainian girls is very transactional.

Yes, they enjoy the sex but they are fish and don't fuck very well.

This raised a good question--in general (of course this would be a generalization) are EE chix more or less romantic than Asians?

My impression is that they are, but of course individual variation> cultural variation

I remember one writer who had a Japanese girlfriend and said he was fciking her and even when he had her orgasming he didn't feel like he knew how she felt.

I had a Filipina girlfriend who was absolutely into me, wanted marriage, kids etc, she would cream violently as long I as could fck her-- but it was was like being with a child, it was like there was no developed personality.

But then of course you do get the Slavic users who do the long con, get the green card, and bring over the dim-witted Oleg they dig.

Forgive me Lucky if I'm grouping you in with those who are only into ONS here, but if you're complaining about transactional sex but have no intention of an LTR, isn't that a direct result of how you treat them?

The idea of someone with an internal world, who isn't a bundle of reflexes, appeals to me. Even though it's going to be the bizarre Disney anti-rational internal world of a chick, where puppies, babies, flowers and marriage-- all funded with your money-- make everything wonderful, and not the internal world of a genius, I like the idea of getting to know her.

One of the things about EE chix that impresses me is that even in a grim, marginal economic world, they buy flowers. That shows style.

"It'a a man's man's man's world, but it don't mean nothing without a woman or a girl."
--James Brown, Godfather of Soul

[Luckystar]

(12-23-2011 03:39 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

Forgive me Lucky if I'm grouping you in with those who are only into ONS here, but if you're complaining about transactional sex but have no intention of an LTR, isn't that a direct result of how you treat them?

Interesting post, IKE. Definitely things to think about.

I think you raise a great point, but I'm not ONS specialist. I do, however, raise a ton of options/leads and work them. And, I often do give the impression that I am interested in LTR.

The distinction, in my experience, between an EE girl and a FSU girl is that an EE actually does vision LTR with me, where as the FSU girl does not put me in that catagory. It definitely manifests into the sex.

In fact, there are many distinctions that should be made between EE girls (Polish, Slovakian, Serbian, Romanian) and FSU girls (Russian, Ukrainian, Moldovan). Different landscape IMO. Perhaps I'll post of my observations/experiences when I get a chance.

[madcaptravels]

this is really breaking it down...so bummed I missed out on a chance to go to Latvia with some mates!

[iknowexactly]

I just realized in probably 25 hours of walking around Lviv, and seeing several thousand faces, I literally think I haven't seen one person of African descent; and maybe less than five who look distinctly Asian. Some Russians have some Asian look to them, but I haven't seen anyone that really looks like they are full Chinese or whatever, except an older couple with the man waiting outside while the woman went into an expensive store in the downtown area.

Thanks for the advice and tips on bars and online.

[Luckystar]

(12-23-2011 10:53 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

I just realized in probably 25 hours of walking around Lviv, and seeing several thousand faces, I literally think I haven't seen one person of African descent; and maybe less than five who look distinctly Asian. Some Russians have some Asian look to them, but I haven't seen anyone that really looks like they are full Chinese or whatever, except an older couple with the man waiting outside while the woman went into an expensive store in the downtown area.

Thanks for the advice and tips on bars and online.

In Kiev, I see more Asians than any other group. There's a few Africans and Turks/Arabs around as well. They have there own little part of town.

[iknowexactly]

Just saw one brother today with a pleasant looking 6 on his arm, they were about 5'8". He wasn't ripped or anything, looked like an average working/middle class guy.

He looked American, the African black guys I've seen tend to have their noses in the air because most of the ones that make it to someplace exotic ( not llke on a risky boat to Italy) are from the top .01% ruling class of their countries.

I also realized I haven't heard anyone speaking English on the street, especially that LOUD WHINY SELF-IMPORTANT SMUG AmeriWhale dialect.

Did you hear that? I said that LOUD WHINY SELF-IMPORTANT SMUG AmeriWhale dialect. Because you never listen.

[Roosh]

(12-22-2011 05:40 PM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  

Concerning Mamba, I do rather well on that site.

Deb: are their countries where you don't do well at? You've talked about your success in ukraine a bit, but if you pull fine wherever you go then that doesn't say a whole lot about Ukrainian women.

[ManAbout]

(12-24-2011 07:38 AM)Luckystar Wrote:  

In Kiev, I see more Asians than any other group. There's a few Africans and Turks/Arabs around as well. They have there own little part of town.

I think the Asians are mainly Vietnamese. Same thing in Russia. A remnant of the Cold War.

[Deb Auchery]

(12-24-2011 10:32 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

(12-22-2011 05:40 PM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  

Concerning Mamba, I do rather well on that site.

Deb: are their countries where you don't do well at? You've talked about your success in ukraine a bit, but if you pull fine wherever you go then that doesn't say a whole lot about Ukrainian women.

Well I do fine wherever I go, but Ukraine is a different ballgame, for me at least. Previously I lived in Serbia, probably the best looking women I have seen anywhere, but they are stuck up, arrogant, and not easy. Also I am part Serb so I look like one of the locals to some extent.

The girls in Ukraine are also hot, but are much more available. If you're a decent looking guy here you will have a constant flow of crumpet to pick and choose from. Most of the girls on my books are in the 6.5 to 8.5 range.

As I mentioned in my datasheet, you have to see the Ukrainian men to fully comprehend the situation, a lot of them don't even look human .

Lviv girls are more conservative than the rest of Ukraine though. I took a girl home the night before last, and she wouldn't put out no matter how hard I tried. She stayed at my place until this morning, and just drank beer the whole time and annoyed me. Threw her out in the end!.

I can't imagine there is so much available quality anywhere else in the world.

[TheSmith]

A friend pointed me to this Ukraine classified site.. from what I can tell, looks to be the Ukraine equivalent of craigslist.. has apartment ads, dating etc

http://emarket.ua/

or

http://translate.google.ca/translate?sl=...2F&act=url

[Jalouse]

(12-27-2011 01:46 PM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  

(12-24-2011 10:32 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

(12-22-2011 05:40 PM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  

Concerning Mamba, I do rather well on that site.

Deb: are their countries where you don't do well at? You've talked about your success in ukraine a bit, but if you pull fine wherever you go then that doesn't say a whole lot about Ukrainian women.

Well I do fine wherever I go, but Ukraine is a different ballgame, for me at least. Previously I lived in Serbia, probably the best looking women I have seen anywhere, but they are stuck up, arrogant, and not easy. Also I am part Serb so I look like one of the locals to some extent.

The girls in Ukraine are also hot, but are much more available. If you're a decent looking guy here you will have a constant flow of crumpet to pick and choose from. Most of the girls on my books are in the 6.5 to 8.5 range.

As I mentioned in my datasheet, you have to see the Ukrainian men to fully comprehend the situation, a lot of them don't even look human .

Lviv girls are more conservative than the rest of Ukraine though. I took a girl home the night before last, and she wouldn't put out no matter how hard I tried. She stayed at my place until this morning, and just drank beer the whole time and annoyed me. Threw her out in the end!.

I can't imagine there is so much available quality anywhere else in the world.

I'm tempted to check this place out next year but the one thing that's putting me off is that I like a place that is at least pleasant to live in, from iknowexactly's description apart from the girls it's quite grim, is this your experience or is it different after spending some time there?

I have spent a few weeks in Kiev and I consider that a pretty city with plenty to do.

[iknowexactly]

(12-27-2011 04:30 PM)Jalouse Wrote:  

I have spent a few weeks in Kiev and I consider that a pretty city with plenty to do.

Yessirree, Lviv is bleak with bad weather, terrible roads rude people worst vacation spot you could think of. Place to avoid for sure. My experience here has been terrible. Lviv is a rotting, bad place. Bad. Cloudy. Backwards. Filthy. Smells bad.

Anyone with any sense would go to a place that was much less dull. Rev the ENGINE up in your car and SEARCH for someplace not so nasty.

[Marco]

(12-27-2011 09:46 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

(12-27-2011 04:30 PM)Jalouse Wrote:  

I have spent a few weeks in Kiev and I consider that a pretty city with plenty to do.

Yessirree, Lviv is bleak with bad weather, terrible roads rude people worst vacation spot you could think of. Place to avoid for sure. My experience here has been terrible. Lviv is a rotting, bad place. Bad. Cloudy. Backwards. Filthy. Smells bad.

Anyone with any sense would go to a place that was much less dull. Rev the ENGINE up in your car and SEARCH for someplace not so nasty.

Every city in Ukraine has bad weather(in winter), terrible roads and dirty... but we visit there for the amazing girls.
Though, I did heard from Ukrainians that Lviv people are less friendly to foreigners than other cities more to the east.

[Deb Auchery]

A lot of what IKE rings true.

I try to limit my exposure to negative experiences here, like only taking Taxi and never the Masrutka(Private Bus, resembles a garbage can on wheels),paying other people to do my errands, I don't make friends with many Ukrainian men because I have nothing in common with any of them

Lvviv's draws are the very low cost of living, girls(pretty, kind, friendly, etc), architecture, close proximity to European capitals, and also good investment opportunities.

[Deb Auchery]

(12-27-2011 04:30 PM)Jalouse Wrote:  

(12-27-2011 01:46 PM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  

(12-24-2011 10:32 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

(12-22-2011 05:40 PM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  

Concerning Mamba, I do rather well on that site.

Deb: are their countries where you don't do well at? You've talked about your success in ukraine a bit, but if you pull fine wherever you go then that doesn't say a whole lot about Ukrainian women.

Well I do fine wherever I go, but Ukraine is a different ballgame, for me at least. Previously I lived in Serbia, probably the best looking women I have seen anywhere, but they are stuck up, arrogant, and not easy. Also I am part Serb so I look like one of the locals to some extent.

The girls in Ukraine are also hot, but are much more available. If you're a decent looking guy here you will have a constant flow of crumpet to pick and choose from. Most of the girls on my books are in the 6.5 to 8.5 range.

As I mentioned in my datasheet, you have to see the Ukrainian men to fully comprehend the situation, a lot of them don't even look human .

Lviv girls are more conservative than the rest of Ukraine though. I took a girl home the night before last, and she wouldn't put out no matter how hard I tried. She stayed at my place until this morning, and just drank beer the whole time and annoyed me. Threw her out in the end!.

I can't imagine there is so much available quality anywhere else in the world.

I'm tempted to check this place out next year but the one thing that's putting me off is that I like a place that is at least pleasant to live in, from iknowexactly's description apart from the girls it's quite grim, is this your experience or is it different after spending some time there?

I have spent a few weeks in Kiev and I consider that a pretty city with plenty to do.

If you consider Kiev pleasant, then you will find Lviv more pleasant. There's a lot of tourists here from Kiev at the moment for Xmas(Julian Calender) and they all comment on how Lviv is much more pleasant nicer than Kiev

I was in Kiev for NYE, and although Kiev can be fun, i'd much rather be in Lviv.

[one-two]

I'm from Lvov and you can tell my nationality from the way I spell the name. The reason I bring up this distinction is because there is a lot of bad blood between Ukrainians and Russians, specifically in my home town (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lviv#World_War_II_and_Soviet_occupation). Not that it matters, but the two languages/nationalities are not interchangeable there, like they are anywhere else. This means you can inadvertently insult a young person, especially if they had their grandparents go through some shit on either side.

If you want to impress someone, guess their nationally by the way their last name ends. Russian male last names typically end on consonant, e.g., Medvedev, Putin, Sidorov. Append an "a" (pronounced "Ah") to make a female last name, e.g., Medvedeva, Putina, Sidorova. Ukrainian last names typically end on a vowel, e.g., Kuchma, Yushenko, Timoshenko, and do not have a male/female versions.

Other than that, the city is beautiful and I visit the tourist traps every chance I get. For example, did you know Lvov is THREE times as old as America? The ENTIRE downtown, not just some building or a street, are on the Unesco "this is good shit" list. They also have the only one SITTING STATUE OF LIBERTY (ask a local, or better yet one of them grandpas playing chess downtown, also I hear students majoring in history give the best tours The opera and ballet theater is seriously hot fire. I think it is ranked third in the world or something. If you've never seen a ballet, this is the place to do it. At first I thought it was gay, but the women on stage are incredible. Think of it as a classy excuse to stare at gorgeous, thin, fit women from a distance. Extra points if you use binoculars The view from High Castle (Vysokiy Zamok) and some of the downtown top floor cafes are pretty awesome. Oh and the beer, the beer is my favorite. It tastes nothing like the donkey piss they sell in the states. For some reason they always serve it with a glass. I guess it is meant to make one feel classy or do something to the beer aroma.

Try this one time, go to that one movie theater downtown, order a beer at a cafe next to it, and count the number of 8s or better walking by. Last time I did it, I ran out of fingers before I could finish a beer

My first impression when I came back was that everything is tiny and dirty and everyone smokes and stinks, but I guess you could say that about all Europe. Anyway, the women are gorgeous and they will fuck you in a heartbeat for a chance to pursue the American dream. Being an American typically entails that you are a good person, you do not hit women, avoid drinking binges, and have a paycheck that is not delayed for 3 month at a time. Things might have improved recently, but thats the way I remember it growing up. Just for reference, a good salary is $400-500/month, a cab to anywhere in the city is about $10, and a beer costs like $2-3. By the way ALL PRICES ARE NEGOTIABLE, but you've got to know how to do it. Unfortunately, I never developed that skill.

Having your own place to stay is huge as most young people stay with their parents well into their 20s or until they get married. My point is that if you ask a girl out and invite her over to your place, that's a huge plus. Don't bother asking if she's got a man or not, she's not fucking you out of romance, she's playing an angle. Like Mystery said, most of the "game" in Eastern Europe is simply throwing money around. The fucked up thing is that the local dudes would not be doing it, if it did not get them laid. Having an accent, a credit card in your wallet, and some decent clothes that distinguish you from the tourist crowd has the same effect, but it is more subtle and keeps the pussy wet all day. Getting out of Ukraine is such a huge dream for them that all you have to do is hint at the fact that you're looking for a wife and she'll fuck you just to secure her place in the lineup. Do you think I'm making this shit up? Have someone translate this story for you (NSFW text): anekdot.ru/id/520275/ I suggest you find a native because I don't trust that Google Translate will capture all the delicious irony.

P.S. There are NO non-white people there. I lived through half my teens and I've only seen one black dude and possibly an asian lady EVER. I think she was a mix though.