[Sgt Donger]

(05-24-2019 05:29 AM)PixelFree Wrote:  

then you can come back here when you're ready to seek the truth.

Ok, I'm ready now....tell me the truth

[Dr. Howard]

(05-24-2019 12:54 AM)N°6 Wrote:  

There’s a few elephants in the room with regards to fornication. The churches haven’t dealt with it and I doubt that a tradRVF can either.

I was in church during my teens and early 20s and in our terms, I was a volcel White Knight. I would have liked a traditional courting relationship with some of the church girls and those I met on youth events.

Unfortunately they were unattainable until their late 20s because of education, career, travel and even missionary work in exotic countries. Christian fathers bring up their daughters to go to university not to be wives.

Dalrock discusses this. Women don’t want to waste a minute more of their youth on their husbands than they need to.

The NT teaches that marriage is the cure for burning with passion which is why most people used to get married young. Now Christian men could be expected to wait until their 30s. Fornication will happen because of this - especially when the Bible teaches that fornication can be committed in the mind.

For older men here, anti fornication will mean MGTOW because the number of marriageable women over 30 is minute and the Bible deems relationships with divorcées as adultery.

My brother began a relationship with a girl at church. The older youth pastor put a stop to it. My brother was 17/ 18 FFS and from a good family. He went to church four times per week and would have been the ideal Christian husband and son in law in ages past. Thus began a period of inceldom and thirst and video games which ended when he married an atheist 5 who didn’t want their children christened. I blame the youth pastor for this for killing a budding relationship between Christians from forming. Previous generations would have encouraged them to pair bond.

Now I hear pastors shame men over 30 for not stepping up to marry women who return to church in their 30s from the cock carousel and a brood of bastards.

Like I wrote the church hasn’t responded to the ramifications from women delaying marriage until late.

^ I agree, there are a number of Churches like this that don't seem to understand the paradox they are creating where they want no pre-marital sex, but also want everyone to wait until 30 to get married.

Its a good topic for another thread.

[PixelFree]

(05-24-2019 05:44 AM)Sgt Donger Wrote:  

Ok, I'm ready now....tell me the truth

I don't know what it is, but I don't know of a better group of men to seek it with.

What I know is it's not hidden deep within that slightly hotter woman's vagina.

[Sooth]

(05-24-2019 05:39 AM)skifree Wrote:  

(05-24-2019 05:26 AM)Sooth Wrote:  

You wouldn't know your ass for your face on these matters. You won't see a miracle under your own nose.

You are projecting.

No, if you're going to go down the God path, you don't get to pick and choose which rules you're going to follow to suit your new found faith - example - proclaiming premarital sex is a sin yet dabbling in divination and sorcery. Roosh was duped by someone dabbling in witchcraft, and Satan is well versed in coming as something he is not.What a big mistake, those voices were not of God but evil spirits, and he'll never have peace now that he opened that door way. It's no coincidence that this has occurred shortly after suffering the loss of a sibling.

You are young.

Spend this energy on seeking God rather than projecting.

You know He's personal right? You can talk to Him.

[mikado]

As long as he doesn't delete the posts, 90%+ of the forum content won't change. Because this forum has long time ago shifted to a political place.

A Leonard D Neubache or a Simeon_Strangelight are more proeminent figures (in terms of posting) than a WestIndianArchie or Distant_Light. No need to freakout, this is maybe a game forum for the media, but everyone who has been here for 5+ years has known and felt the transition away from that moniker.

Maybe 99% of what you need to know about game has already been written SEVERAL TIMES here. Time to get out and learn in the real world.

[atlant]

(05-24-2019 05:08 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

p.s. Hypocrisy is telling people not to do something while you are actually doing it. Those of you claiming hypocrisy means telling people not to make the same mistakes as you did are going to make troubled parents.

You're right - there is absolutely nothing hypocritical about guys who are now sitting pretty with EE and Asian wives - in most cases thanks to this forum - telling younger ones to not repeat their horrible, horrible mistakes.

Pixelfree Wrote:

That's because I'm at a very similar place in life. I'm just over 40, an ex-PUA with a 3 figure notch count and have spent the last 15 years of my life travelling, excessively partying, MLTRs, chasing $$$, threesomes, watching porn and sleeping around and have fulfilled every sex goal imaginable and then some. I never mentioned it before because there was no need to, but I'm mentioning it now to tell you that I've seen the top of the mountain and it's not the path to happiness.

Do people like you really not grasp that there is a healthy middle between senseless debauchery and living like the Amish ? In fact, that's what most people on RVF (the ones I've met personally anyway) seem to be able to handle just fine. If you didn't manage to give your life purpose with all the good, non-pickup related info posted here in the last 10 years, and if hopping from one cum dumpster to the next is all you got out of it, then you have noone to blame but yourself.

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If you want to bang 10 chicks in 10 minutes there are countless other products and forums out there for that and then you can come back here when you're ready to seek the truth.

This was never the sole point of RVF and you know it.

[wellrockthecity]

Picture from first event of new Roosh tour:

[BelyyTigr]

(05-24-2019 05:51 AM)Dr. Howard Wrote:  

(05-24-2019 12:54 AM)N°6 Wrote:  

There’s a few elephants in the room with regards to fornication. The churches haven’t dealt with it and I doubt that a tradRVF can either.

I was in church during my teens and early 20s and in our terms, I was a volcel White Knight. I would have liked a traditional courting relationship with some of the church girls and those I met on youth events.

Unfortunately they were unattainable until their late 20s because of education, career, travel and even missionary work in exotic countries. Christian fathers bring up their daughters to go to university not to be wives.

Dalrock discusses this. Women don’t want to waste a minute more of their youth on their husbands than they need to.

The NT teaches that marriage is the cure for burning with passion which is why most people used to get married young. Now Christian men could be expected to wait until their 30s. Fornication will happen because of this - especially when the Bible teaches that fornication can be committed in the mind.

For older men here, anti fornication will mean MGTOW because the number of marriageable women over 30 is minute and the Bible deems relationships with divorcées as adultery.

My brother began a relationship with a girl at church. The older youth pastor put a stop to it. My brother was 17/ 18 FFS and from a good family. He went to church four times per week and would have been the ideal Christian husband and son in law in ages past. Thus began a period of inceldom and thirst and video games which ended when he married an atheist 5 who didn’t want their children christened. I blame the youth pastor for this for killing a budding relationship between Christians from forming. Previous generations would have encouraged them to pair bond.

Now I hear pastors shame men over 30 for not stepping up to marry women who return to church in their 30s from the cock carousel and a brood of bastards.

Like I wrote the church hasn’t responded to the ramifications from women delaying marriage until late.

^ I agree, there are a number of Churches like this that don't seem to understand the paradox they are creating where they want no pre-marital sex, but also want everyone to wait until 30 to get married.

Its a good topic for another thread.

No sex til marriage was when marriages were basically as children. Most people died in infancy, or labour, or at 25 in war, or by disease etc.
The problem is that religious fundamentalism ie levels of extremism is a drug. Its led by mullahs or bishops who demand "follow don't question", "believe don't reason" etc etc. "God, not you are is the one to decide". They said exactly the same to Jesus when he healed the sick on the Sabbath. I'm a Christian, not a slave of the Vatican or whatever. It reminds me of those politicians who want prostitutes who treat them as slaves+ have them suffer etc. They like the idea of being able to switch their minds and decision making off - its bizarre. Some people want a drug, rather than to live a better and reasoned life.

I won't pretend to myself that female beauty doesn't exist. I won't pretend to myself that fucking women causes any harm.
And I won't pretend to myself that fundamentalism is fine, the pill that cures everything.
I choose debate, a variety of solutions in a World that changes. I choose civilisation.

[Xenophon]

This really all did start with the mushroom trip. Anyone who has actually read and studied the Bible would know that speaking to God by using mushrooms is as biblically approved as banging 100 women before getting married. It's fucking ridiculous and I think most religious people would be offended that this is being referenced as a turning point in someone's religious fervor.

Looking at some of the main proponents of mushroom trips like Joe "The Toe" Rogan should be warning enough. Even Alex Jones got it right when he told Joe he wasn't interested in losing touch with reality and speaking with the machine goblins / mechanical gremlins / whatever.

If we're going to turn this forum into Bible study then we might as well start with the topic of doing mushrooms and speaking with demons. Bible says stay away from divination like when Saul summoned the Witch of Endor or Solomon used the Ring of Solomon (Star of David) to speak with demons, jinns and animals. Don't speak to women who use ouija boards like Eleanor Roosevelt and Hillary Clinton. Those are devilwomen.

[ISR92]

One can only wonder what will become of his books. If he keeps his game books available for purchase, it would seem rather incongruent with his recent actions. I'm expecting they will be removed. To sacrifice revenue for morality would be an admirable act no doubt.

[AnonymousBosch]

(05-24-2019 02:45 AM)atlant Wrote:  

Such display of hypocrisy is usually only seen on the Left

Except what you and Trumpian are calling 'hypocrisy', isn't, because you have no understanding of the process of Purgation.

What you're effectively-saying is that once Saint Paul experienced his first conversion, (and there are three in the spiritual life), he should have then allowed the men around him to keep on killing Christians. Or Saint Augustine should have kept silent as the men around him became slaves to lust and debauchery, because, well, 'you do you'.

Meanwhile, one of Roosh's regular twitter stalkers is a Shemale / Antifa / Communist / Occultist, whom, despite all that, called him out a few weeks ago, by roughly-saying "How can you call yourself a Christian when you sell books encouraging casual sex?" Since I've experienced effective spiritual criticism from unlikely-sources, I wondered where that question would lead Roosh, and, having been through this process, could predict what would happen.

Which means, someone whose is that deliberately-aligned with the False, sees the Truth better than both of you.



Why? As I wrote sometime late last year, the fight between the Right and the Left is simply about which particular debauchery is socially-acceptable - plenty of men on the right see nothing wrong with, say sodomizing a woman, but screech if two men do it, and, as such, I accepted my allegiance is with neither political side, but God. I've always voted for Independent Parties.

What Men of the 'right' are advocating here as a positive is simply Boomer Style Leftist Sexual Promiscuity, which is only now considered 'Conservative' because of the severe societal leftward drift of the last 50 years. Having being raised by Boomers and seeing their pleasure-seeking behaviour in person and through media as normalized and healthy, particularly in the skeezy 1970's, it's taken me most of my life to realize just how 'off', destructive and self-serving it really was.

Of course, I was incapable of seeing this truth, because I was sexually abused from the ages of 2-3 by an older man, and then from 11-12 by an older woman. My childhood was taken from me, so I never had a grounded, realistic idea of sex, particularly in a cultural time that was so oversexualized that it didn't flinch at having naked breasts on a children's show; on page 3 of the daily newspaper; or on clear display in your local newsagents, and my parents were incapable of providing me with a moral compass to correct it.

As such, I have a notch count north of 2000 women, and have years of observing the lasting damage committed casual sex has on people I've known for decades, particularly creating the female inability to love and to seek sexual humiliation and destruction; and the male need to self-medicate and escalate into degeneracy; and all this is without even bringing into the far worse physical and mental destruction I saw happen to the gay men I knew through the music business.

Even worse, even now, I'm faced with the constant temptation of exes seeking me out for sex, even though they have husbands or are in committed relationships with boyfriends. And this being, as one of Forney's friend's called me recently, 'a dying Sped', which made me laugh because, well, he's probably-right.

These women possibly seek me out because I'm very good at it - if that's anything to be proud of - but, if I strip away the appeal to pride, it's most like that their men are too loving and eager to please, and these women know that I'm clearly-incapable of loving them that way, even though we have arrangements and friendships that have lasted lengthy amounts of time.

I was listening to a podcast the other day where they said the problem with Concupiscence is that 'we love the wrong things, and love the right things in the wrong way'. Seemed accurate.

There is no pride to be had in a woman using you as an object of humiliation, or in you using her for sexual gratification. As Aurini mentioned earlier: It's not charitable. A good mate who moved up far north recently rang me the other night and filled me in on his life. He's got four girlfriend's at the moment who all know about each other. One's 18, two years younger than his son. He's 48. The 18-year-old brought a friend along the last time, and they waited outside for the other and took turns on him. He was trying to brag about this, but he was.. unsettled.

"She told me she aborted my kid."

"Well she's 18, that could be truth or an attempt to control."

"Yeah, I guess. Who knows?" But I could tell that the thought had stuck with him, and, usually for him when he brags about his conquests, he changed the subject very quickly.

There are no winners in this story. You could say girls love him because he's 6ft5 and built like a tank, but I know it's because he's a very broken man, and, as such, is completely non-reactive when in the presence of women, which guarantees they'll feel like worthless objects in his presence.

My mate Bill - an older biker - can't even remember his notch count. His worldview is to call women 'An Empty Out'. I asked him once if he believed in love.

He looked at me carefully, then said "My Dad once said to me 'You'll know your in love when she grabs hold of your arse and says 'you're in, Love.'"

He has incredible game, sure, but this worldview has hardened him to a state where he's incapable of of sustaining a healthy relationship with the 15 children of his seven exes, and it's only been me teaching him through example that love is 'willing the good of another before your own' that has brought him even slightly out of that thick cloud of narcissism. Being blunt: it's very likely I'm the only person in his life who can stand him, because of this.

The fate of a 60-something player isn't any more appealing than that of a 40-something Cat lady. It's possible the Cat Lady has an advantage, because they're usually still capable of sensing that something is very wrong with how they are.

If you think any of this layered, hard-earnt experience as to the spiritual and moral realities of sex is something to be proud of, or imitated, that's fair, but I don't have to participate in or encourage your delusion any more than I have to take seriously someone whose thinks Gender is a Flavour of Ice Cream. You can crow about 'healthy middle grounds' with sexuality all you want, but that doesn't explain the privately-revealed dysfunction I've experienced from multiple members and high game skill men I've known in the offline world once they dropped the public act they're putting on. If you try to show me anyone who hasn't been touched by rot, I'd say you just haven't seen them in their unseen moments, or simply don't understand predictable human nature. Explains the Trump worship here.

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and says a lot about the true moral character of many of the forum's supposed high-rep figureheads.

As I wrote back in the Nasa Test Pilot days, any rep system is worthless. All it means is that in that moment, someone enjoyed one or more somethings I wrote, which, once again, is a conditional transaction, and put a burden of expectation upon me of being approached privately from someone wanting to extract time and attention from me. Sometimes that's OK, but when it's usually with a sense of unrealistic entitlement, I'd have much preferred to be ignored.

I remember a man approached me a couple of years back after I was sensing God's operation, and repped me out of nowhere, then wanted Game Advice for a Girl. A girl who was clearly telling him she'd been hurt and didn't want casual sex. I asked his intentions: he wanted to lay her once before he left the country for good. I didn't offer any more advice, and he removed his rep point. Did I deeply-mourn the loss of my effectively-imaginary internet forum status points that somehow adds virtual inches to my e-peen?

This sort of thing is why I never tried to monetize my popularity on here, and relates to your next point:

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But in the past five years he acted more as a caretaker of a forum that had long taken on its own momentum while he focused on political and philosophical questions. The forum gained its value through countless other contributors and posters - without them RVF would have been nothing. Without them, Roosh would have been nothing. They raised his sites' profiles, gave him traffic, bought his books and ultimately, put food on Roosh's table, enabling him to do what he did best. And it's those men that he is now turning his back on. Which is he is free to do, but so are people to criticize it.

Oh, I know this one from years in the music business. Look, if someone paid money to attend a show, or to buy a record or CD, the relationship simply begins and ends at the financial transaction, for that's all it is, and anything beyond that is simply a projection of desire by the buyer upon the seller. This frequently results in some kind of warped sense of unrealistic entitlement, most commonly expressed as "You owe us."

No, I owed my success to doing the hard work that the majority of people don't want to do, but believe they could easily do if only they could be bothered.

This doesn't mean the Customer is now to be treated as a close, intimate friend; or that there's now the possibility of a sexual relationship; or can send 10 pages single-spaced letters expecting you to give them a reason to stop them killing themselves and expect a reply within a day; or should expect you to take off your shirt for them; or to stop and converse for 15 minutes when you're in the middle of a tight schedule; or instantly change a setlist upon demand; or that you have to now consistently-deliver what they want over what you want, usually meaning the same song they like over and over again in minor variations, particularly when it's more interesting to give them not what they think they want, but what they don't know they need, which is how I see Roosh's decision here.

A financial transaction on your part doesn't make me your slave. One thing that set me apart from most musicians was that I was always quite-prepared to go back to not having attention. This is why, despite my Masters, I'm now happily-working at a racecourse, shoveling stables full of horse crap into bags and invisibly-emptying bins as the High Society Girls around me stagger around holding their high heels in their hands and puking or urinating on the grass in open view.

Bill once said to me: "You really don't give a ****, Bosch. It's so cool."

Of course I don't: at the first race, they're clutching their purses with a worried look if you come near their table. By race five they're grabbing your biceps and slurring 'I'm going home with youuuu' with the stink of beer reflux on their breath.

I once sat down and worked out that one particularly-unrealistic fan who had decided to destroy me - most likely a Gamma - had, based upon royalties, repaying recording advances, record companies going bust and dodgy bookkeeping, after 10 albums, only contributed roughly $7.50 or so to my existence, assuming that he didn't buy any of them second-hand. I offered to send him a check and suggested 'Mantissa' - who were a thing at the time - might be more his speed. He didn't take me up on that.

So, let's be realistic here: you bought some books from Roosh, and then used his forum to effectively **** around on the internet, maybe build a clubbing / meetup network, whilst expecting him to bear the brutal social consequences of being the public face of this, which he's borne for a much longer period of time than I ever expected. Then, when he makes a request for behavioural modification based upon where living the reality of that public humiliation has led him, everyone starts flouncing: overdramatically-announcing their contemptuous departure instead of just, you know, giving him the benefit of the doubt, deciding to take that public burden off his shoulders by making a new forum, or quietly-sodding off.

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"Woe to you, when all men speak well of you, for so their fathers did to the false prophets." (Luke 6:26)

Leftists love quoting scripture that they don't believe in, in an attempt to emotionally-manipulate people into performing their desired behaviour too.

You're assuming I ever desired to be spoken well of by members, or held back unpopular opinions out of a need to be liked. You're talking about a man who thinks it's good for my sanctification that his spiritual confessor effectively hates my guts due to the group he's supposed to be leading constantly-deferring to me, (particularly the female members).

The only reason why I still (occasionally) post here is I sensed some unfinished business and found the timing of Roosh's conversion interesting.

Back in February, Aurini and I went through a brutal theological moral gauntlet - a course of action we considered where we wondered if we could still call ourselves Christian - where we eventually decided the best course of action was to embrace the feared outcome and bear public humiliation for sanctification purposes. Even I was surprised by the positive results for both of us for doing so, because it's completely-contrary to what the world encourages: destroy your enemies.

As such, Roosh, add the Litany of Humility to your prayer life if you don't know it. It'll make this period easier. Perhaps that's all I've left to say.

[RoadTo100]

Just read through the entire thread.

I'd consider myself as midway through the player-phase, having a high 2 digit notch count at this point in my late 20s, but fully intending to settle down and start a family when I no longer feel compelled to chase more women (some posters would debate whether that will be too late as compared to trying to settle now).

As we've seen from some of the forum's top ranking members and Roosh himself, some men experience a major "hangover" from this lifestyle:

(05-23-2019 08:59 PM)Papi Rico Wrote:  

Tex, I've slept with well over 500 women. The only thing I could offer to a prospective wife on the basis of that experience is 7 strains of chlamydia.

How to be a good husband? I'll seek guidance from those who raised me and those I consider my role models. I didn't pick up the requisite skills in PUA videos or bedding countless females in over a hundred countries around the globe.

(04-02-2019 03:40 PM)Cr33pin Wrote:  

I actually don't enjoy sex that much either really.... an after I bust a nut I feel sad and depressed. But then I wake up the next day with this strong urge to bang some new chick.... its gotten me a notch count well over 100 and nothing else other then emptiness and stories of debauchery.

"We are all just prisoners here, of our own device"

Krauser in this past month:

(05-01-2019 05:49 AM)No More Mr. Soy Boy Wrote:  

Krauser announces his retirement from picking up and banging different women and says he's looking to get married now. Seems like he has gotten bored of it or perhaps it has became too much work.

A lot of guys have been shitting on him in the comment section on Youtube for this, calling him a blue pill. Particularly because he said things like this:

18:45 "I still have a Disney view of marriage"

What do you guys think about the interview and what he has to say?

Similarly, how Fisto faded out of forum involvement and many others I'm sure people could name.

In his recent article Roosh writes:

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I began pursuing women for mostly sexual reasons in 2001. I must’ve logged tens of thousands of hours into the task. I’ve been also traveling or living abroad near continuously since 2007. I’ve spent a lot of time trying to fornicate, fornicating, traveling to more effectively fornicate, and writing over a million words about fornication. What did I learn from all that? It’s an experience that gets more dull with repetition, like any other experience. However, it also leaves you with a massive hangover where you find yourself at a loss. What was the point of all that? Is there anything I’ve truly gained? What lasting glory have I achieved? If I wasn’t a writer, I would have nothing to “show” for my efforts besides memories that are as likely to make me cringe as give me happiness.

Almost certainly this past decade has dramatically accelerated this phenomenon of titanic notch counts, between the rise of Tinder starting in 2012, the mass popularization of pussy paradises abroad (thanks to Roosh) and general cultural trends worldwide.

What I think is causing a lot of a discontentment is that nobody seems to have "the answer" yet. As other members mentioned, Roosh has been rapidly changing his views, with "Game" published just 8 months ago representing the moderate position (get around 10-20 lays before settling down) compared to yesterday's decree about no premarital sex period.

It seems the spectrum of beliefs are:

- Pre-marital sex is bad (Roosh Today)
- Get a few notches for experience but don't overdo it (Roosh 8 months ago in Game)
- Get as many notches as your biology urges until you naturally grow tired of it (me personally, younger Roosh in his Bang XYZ days)
- Never settle down ; society is too broken (blackpilled men, divorceraped guys, etc)

For a lot of posters, the "Pre-marital sex is bad" camp just seems too idealistic to work.

How can man expect to hold frame and be willing to walk if he isn't mentally assured that he could find another woman just as good as the one he has?

How could he avoid oneitis and not accidentally repel his woman if he hasn't been in this situation before?

And lastly, how can he know what qualities he truly values in a woman if he hasn't experienced the spectrum of personalities shown in different women?

While this thread might end up being much ado about nothing if the posting rules end up being more of a nudge rather than a shove towards puritan values, I'm very curious to see how all this plays out. After all, this is my favorite site on the entire internet and the one I most frequently visit...

[Buffas]

Roosh, I mean no offense, but is this really "your house"? If so, is Facebook someone else's house too? Google? YouTube? Amazon? In that case, can we at all critique any outlets for banning you and other right-wingers? Forums make up the people that are on there. Users add the value. Without the users, with all their posts, it's just an empty platform with absolutely no value. A website such as this can be set up in a day. Most community managers acknowledge this, and therefore always refer to their communities as "our house". I'm not discrediting the work you did to promote this website through books, YouTube, blogs and other channels. But where did your revenue come from? If this move is legitimate, how are other instances of public discourse censorship illegitimate?

Edit: I'll add that I represent the younger generation. The journey that took 15 years for you only took 5 years for me because of this forum and others like it. I am now, at 26, open to settling down and actively pursuing traditional girls and life in EE. I would have been fucked beyond belief if it wasn't for the red pill conversations that led me weed through the girls in a culture that is beyond saving until it experiences a significant struggle of some kind. You're not leading men to sin with the website as is. Quite the opposite. And with these changes, you won't attract anyone who was to be saved

[AnonymousBosch]

(05-24-2019 05:08 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

I got it assembled enough that my sons could have a bit of a play and everyone was ecstatic about the project, particularly because of the sheer scale of it. It's become a hub of activity. One person starts working out and others gravitate towards it and before you know it the whole family is laughing up a storm having the time of their lives pumping iron. When it's properly finished I'll post photos.

Anyhoo, my theory proved correct. Between the time I was first informed about Roosh's post and the time I wearily sat down to scan these 13 pages the world didn't end.

Neither did my absence alter the outcome.

Congratulations, Leonard: you're finally getting it.

[godzilla]

I think some posters have misunderstood the value that many men received from the forum. Personally, the knowledge from the forum helps me gain lots of self-confidence with women. This actually helped me sustain relationships, not vice versa.

I think men who have lived through it know that talking about let's say "spinning plates" or "banging 30 girls in 60 days in the Philippines" in the end provided no value in their lives and discussion on those matters will not be missed.

A total ban on discussions on premarital sex? I'm not sure that's a good thing. There is a ton of life lessons in learning how to seduce women. In our current society, marriage is NOT even possible for some men without having premarital sex. Women will simply reject a man who does not try to have sex with her after a certain amount of time.

I have religious friends who moved to big cities and decided to lead Christian lives. They only ended up angry and frustrated. In the end, I fear Christianity will eventually lead young men right back to the Blue Pill or the Red Pill.

[PixelFree]

(05-24-2019 05:58 AM)atlant Wrote:  

Do people like you really not grasp that there is a middle way between senseless debauchery and living like the Amish ? In fact, that's what most people on RVF (the ones I've met personally anyway) seem to be able to handle just fine. If you didn't manage to give your life purpose with all the good, non-pickup related info posted here in the last 10 years, and if hopping from one cum dumpster to the next is all you got out of it, then you have noone to blame but yourself.

A couple things. Any stuff I've done in my life I do only blame myself, including believing any fantasies. I assume this the default thinking of all guys here. Also, I only came across this forum relatively recently and I got a lot more than just sexual pleasure out of my game 'career'. I completely agree the forum is a gold mine of non-pickup related info.

(05-24-2019 05:58 AM)atlant Wrote:  

This was never the sole point of RVF and you know it.

Of course. I never said it was the sole point. What I meant was that's really the only part of this forum that won't be here going forward, and if you still want that 10% section of the forum that won't be here anymore there are many other options.

From what Roosh has said we're all still discussing how to enjoy intimacy with a women however it'll change from casual sex to relationships with serious long term potential and intentions.

Anyone with half a brain would be able to use the information for casual sex if they wanted, there just won't be any specific strategies discussed and we won't get to read about all the 5's and 6's everyone is banging. I don't think it's as dramatically different as some guys think.

Perhaps another way would have been to create a new section on the forum and see if people naturally migrate over however it's Roosh's house so in the end it's what he's comfortable with really. I probably wouldn't have gone as far, i.e. some pre-marital sex seems fine to me. But, I guess the pendulum swung too far in the wrong direction and has now swung back.

Mind you, it's easier for me to say all this because I'm in a similar place and ready to settle down. If I was 10 years younger I may feel the same as you, sure.

On a side note, it seems living in more conservative Eastern European countries for so many years has rubbed off on Roosh. I myself noticed happier and stronger people and families in these countries. It's no coincidence that it's these same countries that are holding the fort for European civilisation as well.

[skifree]

(05-24-2019 05:55 AM)Sooth Wrote:  

You are young.

Spend this energy on seeking God rather than projecting.

You know He's personal right? You can talk to Him.

No, I'm nearing 40, and I've seen this before, mind you it was almost 30 years ago - my mother lost her brother, then my father lost his brother, both within 3 months of each other, and shortly after that it was off to church we go. Been there, done that, but thanks for the 'you are young' phallacy,

Throwing mushrooms into the mix is just asking for trouble. Wasn't it enough that Jesus died for our sins? You need to amplify his message with mind altering substances that allows Satan to enter your mind, body and soul. If Alex Jones was right about anything, he's right about it being complete and utter evil, and yes, I've used them, and I agree, nor would I ever, ever use them again.

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It doesn't benefit many of us but I don't see this as betrayal.

My filter/frame on this: rvf is a safe space for us but for Roosh it's his life. He needs to adapt to the changing market place of ideas and run with it or he's done. Put yourself in his shoes and imagine how well you'd cope with the entire world being against you.

[KnjazMihailo]

Wow!

I was browsing some other stuff on the forum and this just surprised me and hit me out of nowhere!

This should've been truthfully expected, considering that Roosh has been going in an increasingly political, moral and religious direction in the past year. I frankly have great respect and approve of Roosh's decision to encourage more moral and spiritual improvement on the forum as its clearly obvious that any form of fundamental spiritual and moral foundation for society in the West is sorely lacking.

I only believe that it would be a mistake to completely censor and delete all the casual sex/degenerate content for 2 important reasons:

1: In the threads about casual sex and other degeneracy, there are some red-pill truths of which there would be significant value for young men to see and know. Not all of it is purely evil or sinful and some good has genuinely come out of it.

2: Arguably more important than the first reason; The damage that has been done from Roosh's earlier content and behavior cannot be undone, no matter how much Roosh or anyone may wish for it to be. Its completely healthy and understandable for Roosh to feel guilt over it and try to compensate for it. In some ways, for a person wishing to repent over something, it would be more selfish for them to delete it than to honestly acknowledge it, and leave it there as a record of their sinful behavior. It would be better for them to honestly and openly leave a record of their sinful/degenerate behavior, and to openly and honestly acknowledge their efforts in trying to counteract it by pursuing a path of moral and spiritual righteousness.

Instead, for these reasons, it would be more proper to simply lock (from posting) and archive all this content in the forum and leave it in a certain place or section, where anyone and everyone could openly access it, similar to Return of Kings (ROK).

Besides this, i'm very optimistic about the future of RVF and look forward to continuing to eagerly participate in this forum since i honestly consider casual sex to be overrated and the crux of my life problems concern other things beyond women.

[Dr. Howard]

(05-24-2019 06:24 AM)godzilla Wrote:  

I think some posters have misunderstood the value that many men received from the forum. Personally, the knowledge from the forum helps me gain lots of self-confidence with women. This actually helped me sustain relationships, not vice versa.

I think men who have lived through it know that talking about let's say "spinning plates" or "banging 30 girls in 60 days in the Philippines" in the end provided no value in their lives and discussion on those matters will not be missed.

A total ban on discussions on premarital sex? I'm not sure that's a good thing. There is a ton of life lessons in learning how to seduce women. In our current society, marriage is NOT even possible for some men without having premarital sex. Women will simply reject a man who does not try to have sex with her after a certain amount of time.

I have religious friends who moved to big cities and decided to lead Christian lives. They only ended up angry and frustrated. In the end, I fear Christianity will eventually lead young men right back to the Blue Pill or the Red Pill.

Started a new thread on the premarital sex debate thread-73270.html and whether or not it is compatible with waiting until being older to marry.

I think its a good topic, but probably clogging up this thread.

[Teedub]

I like the new direction. Roosh's 'final form' was always going to be a bearded preacher extolling the virtues of a traditional life despite his former playerdom. Mark Collett called it ages ago from what I recall.

Some of the reactions in this thread have been disgraceful, and I agree with AB when he says he wouldn't look low on Roosh if he just scrubbed this place of the lot of you for your entitlement.

An no, I'm not middle aged, nor married.

If Roosh can get just 10 Western men to convert to Orthodox Christianity / Traditional Catholicism (pre-Vatican 2) it will be his grandest achievement. People at his last speaking tour were saying they wanted something more, something tangible in the real world, perhaps this is it? That said, I think banning pre-marital sex talk is a bit far, as it's essentially impossible in the present day Western world to have any romantic success with women without it. Though, I understand Roosh's decision if he's genuinely on a road of profound religious discovery.

I think a lot of us were born in vastly the wrong generation. The Western World is due a massive shake up, I can feel it, something big is happening in the next 5 years. Lastly, if you mostly partake in the EE/Politics forums (as some of the posters who are whinging do) then your hysteria is uncalled for as hardly anything will change. As others have said, this place hasn't really been about game and notches for about 5 years.

Edit: this was my 5000th post

[Caduceus]

(05-24-2019 06:12 AM)Xenophon Wrote:  

This really all did start with the mushroom trip. Anyone who has actually read and studied the Bible would know that speaking to God by using mushrooms is as biblically approved as banging 100 women before getting married. It's fucking ridiculous and I think most religious people would be offended that this is being referenced as a turning point in someone's religious fervor.

Looking at some of the main proponents of mushroom trips like Joe "The Toe" Rogan should be warning enough. Even Alex Jones got it right when he told Joe he wasn't interested in losing touch with reality and speaking with the machine goblins / mechanical gremlins / whatever.

If we're going to turn this forum into Bible study then we might as well start with the topic of doing mushrooms and speaking with demons. Bible says stay away from divination like when Saul summoned the Witch of Endor or Solomon used the Ring of Solomon (Star of David) to speak with demons, jinns and animals. Don't speak to women who use ouija boards like Eleanor Roosevelt and Hillary Clinton. Those are devilwomen.

Thanks for mentioning this.
Interesting stories that even many Christians don't know about:
Worth a quick glance at the wikipedia articles.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witch_of_Endor

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seal_of_Solomon


I'm not a Christian myself, but do have a lot of respect for the history, symbolism, stories, and wisdom in the bible even if I do not agree with a lot of it. Too many jewish lies, omissions, and manipulations in that book. Jews have been manipulating gentiles for centuries, and to me the bible is an ancient jewish form of Hollywood movies/CNN news that was used to weaken and destroy the polytheistic strong people of the Roman empire, and the Germanic Pagan / Heathen tribes & warriors of northern Europe. Jews have always been country & race & nation destroyers, EVEN BEFORE they got kicked out of ancient Egypt by the pharaohs. Why should the jewish written bible suddenly be something helpful & benevolent for gentiles ? But I digress...

The point is if you want to be a Christian and use the bible as your moral code for living you should be aware that one thing it is is very clear on, is avoiding any person, ritual, method, or substance that provides "shortcuts" to hidden knowledge or contact with the divine. This includes using any type of drug, and speaking to any type of fortune teller or person using witchcraft. Multiple times in multiple places it forbids these things over and over again and labels them all evil and dangerous.

Thousands of people nowadays have used DMT, Ayahuasca and Mushrooms and made online blogs and videos in which they claim they left their physical body, and were in contact with "benevolent" spirits that gave them hidden knowledge or put their restless soul at ease. Whether these "spirits" are really benevolent, or tricking the user as to their true intentions and origins remains to be verified. In any case, in pre-christian pagan/heathen Europe the use of such substances was quite widespread and used in religious ceremonies and only became outlawed when Christianity came to power.

There are even modern theories that say that the "Forbidden fruit" (apple of knowledge of good and evil) Eve accepted from Satan was a form of magic mushroom, and the "communion bread" christians take into their mouths during sunday mass replaced a much more ancient pagan ritual of injesting entheogens such as magic mushrooms (Amanita muscaria) to experience the devine.

I keep an open mind about these substances, but it does seem a bit incompatible to me to be both a bible following Christian, and a user of these substances.
You can chose to be one, or the other - but not both.

[H1N1]

Roosh, first of all, I am so sorry for all of the tragedy and suffering you have had to endure over the years, but particularly the last year with the loss of your sister. You have been the most astonishing friend to us all, and above everything else I would just like to express my sincere gratitude for everything you have done. I hope you know that you have many friends here, even those you haven't met, and if there is anything you need I think you would find many sincere offers of help in whatever form was required.

That said, what a very grim moment it would be if what you advocate were to come to pass. This forum has been, for many years, the apogee of what the internet has had to offer. One could not simply create a forum like this by design. It is an astonishingly precious place. To try to force dull, rote, religious conformity on it is, to my mind, its own species of evil, and I sincerely hope it fails.

I would offer this thread as being particularly apt given this pronouncement, and the general direction of the forum recently. Fanatical Progressives and Apocalyptic Conservatives: United under Nihilism:

thread-37629.html

Quote:

This post was inspired by a number of recent comments and threads from both scorpion and Samseau, and I felt it merited its own more explicitly philosophical thread. While it is structured as a response to scorpion, the point that is made here has, in my opinion, a much wider application.

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scorpion,

There is an irony in your posts on this thread and elsewhere that I don't think you recognize. The deep convictions that drive you to espouse your kind of apocalyptic religiosity are no different, in essence, from the convictions that underlie the progressive ideology that you so passionately decry. Indeed, these two seemingly contradictory visions are really just two sides of the same coin, and the mythologies of decline that both sides are so irresistibly drawn to spring from the same grim and unfortunate source.

You are right about one thing: the progressive ideology in its current form has its roots in the loss of traditional religious faith among intelligent men at the turn of the last century, and the universal adoption by them of a metaphysics of nihilism, most clearly enunciated in the writings of Nietzsche. The conviction that has become universal among intelligent men since that time is that because there is no God, life and the entire universe are therefore necessarily "meaningless" and this realization of "meaninglessness" is somehow the one thing that is given once and for all, known all the way down the line. This taken-for-granted and universally shared idea, and the fear and panic that it engenders in men, is what really explains the structure both of progressive ideology, and of traditionalist ideologies that stand in seeming contradiction to it.

It is not true, however, to say that progressives have replaced religion with the "worship of man" -- far from it. The progressive obsession with "equality" and with the protection of "the weak" and various "victim groups" stems from the feeling that in a world known to be "meaningless" all the way down the line, the pain and suffering experienced by the weak is adding insult to injury -- and that makes it the one thing that cannot be tolerated. Therefore, there is a sacred status accorded to groups in proportion to how far they are removed and shielded from the knowledge of "meaninglessness": thus the obsession with more primitive and "other" cultures that have not yet attained this terrible knowledge; the sacralization of women, children and animals, that are seen as always molested and tortured; and the most logical conclusion of all, the worship of Gaia and the "environment", of things that are entirely inanimate. And therefore too, the special hatred reserved for the white man as the creature that has become aware of "meaninglessness" yet continues to forge ahead with its unseemly and obscene "greed" and hunger for "growth", always adding insult to injury with its relentless forward drive even when it has been "understood" that it can have no possible point -- that all we can do in a "meaningless" world is to protect the "weak" from "torture" and give them the "justice" that is to be our sole consolation.

While the kind of traditionalist religiosity that you advocate stands in superficial contradiction to some of the literal tenets of progressivist ideology, it is in fact animated by the same shared conviction of "meaninglessness" and is just a differently processed reaction to it. It attempts to simply deny the deeply felt certainty of "meaninglessness" by affecting a return to a state that preceded it; yet this is belied by the same emotional undertone of fear and panic and the same conviction of inexorable decline that is shared by nilihist ideologies of all stripes. It is telling that both progressive environmentalists and would-be traditionalists are so drawn to the metaphor of a "virus", of a "disease" that has taken hold of mankind and that is already in "terminal" stages and cannot be cured unless the most radical measures are taken -- and maybe even then. For progressive environmentalists, the "disease" is the human being itself and what it has done to the "planet"; for the apocalyptic traditionalists, it is the "culture" and what we have done to each other. Either way, the punishment is sure to come, and collapse is imminent -- and the fantasy, acknowledged or not, is that this dreaded but also wished for fire will somehow burn away the unbearable knowledge of "meaninglessness", and somehow -- some way -- wipe the slate clean.

This is what leads otherwise intelligent and thoughtful men to indulge in dark dreams and dystopian visions that are so completely divorced from any reasonable apprehension of reality. Even as scorpion writes a post on this forum which proclaims the certainty of the collapse of all western civilization in short order, and the impending triumph of Islam everywhere, an equally intelligent white man of the same age writes a post on Grist or the Daily Kos saying it might be already "too late" -- that even with the best efforts of the EPA and others, we have simply emitted too much carbon dioxide, and the coming calamities of "climate change" have already been set in motion, and will destroy civilization as we know it. Two superficially different stories -- but with the exact same conclusion.

This is something that should fascinate everyone: scorpion is no fool, and neither is the progressive who posts on Daily Kos. How is it that these otherwise intelligent men are drawn to nightmarish and apocalyptic visions of collapse and decline that are, literally, lunatic -- that rely on extrapolations, leaps of faith, and short-circuited thinking that an intelligent adolescent could see through? How is it that an otherwise smart guy like Samseau expresses the fantastical and demented belief that rural roads in the US will be impassable in 20 years? How can the thinking of otherwise intelligent men become so tight, overdetermined, and short-circuited that they always reach one and the same conclusion -- catastrophe! -- from any and all premises? The answer is that their minds are clouded and controlled by the same shared conviction; and they embody this conviction even as they attempt, in different ways, to escape it.

[atlant]

(05-24-2019 06:17 AM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

Oh, I know this one from years in the music business. Look, if someone paid money to attend a show, or to buy a record or CD, the relationship simply begins and ends at the financial transaction, for that's all it is, and anything beyond that is simply a projection of desire by the buyer upon the seller. This frequently results in some kind of warped sense of unrealistic entitlement, most commonly expressed as "You owe us."

Forgive me if I skip over most of your ramblings and hone in one particular point. See, it's not about whether Roosh owes anyone; as I've already explained, I hold no grudge in this regard. It's his forum and he is free to do what he wants with it. Pickup existed before Roosh and will exist after him and so do places to discuss it. Like someone else said a forum can be set up in minutes. It's not rocket science and not some grand achievement. It's just the right idea, at the right time and the right place.

He didn't have to reveal his identity or show his face to run it either - plenty of similar communities are run by anonymous administrators. So don't pretend that he made some great, selfless sacrifice for the sake of his followers when all he was trying to do was to advance his personal brand - which is completely reasonable and understandable for someone in his position at the time.

As mentioned, it's all the other people who made the forum what it was, and this is where your music business analogy falls apart: Roosh's own contribution to the forum's success is, if anything, rather minor. Its members have about as much obligation to follow him in blind devotion as Roosh has to cater to them, and he himself says as much. To judge them for their expected disapproval - especially having been in their place - is petty and only reveals you and others of your ilk as sycophants who are lost without your leaders and idols.

[Teedub]

Calling Bosch, of all people, a sycophant is just ridiculous man. There's other adjectives one may choose to use, but sycophant isn't accurate at all.