[Zenta]

(05-10-2019 03:13 PM)DonnyGately Wrote:  

There are so many hot, young, fit girls in the NYC-NJ-PA-DE area it's not even funny.

Miami has a ton. Houston has plenty. Vegas.

Most of the guys complaining don't have the game to get hot girls, so they blame 'american women' or something else that excuses their lack of skills/talents.

No hot girls where you live? Move.

I did.

I run a physical business, help take care of my two grand mothers, and my mother who had a stroke, but yeah sure I'll just move. Great advice, thanks!

[AntoniusofEfa]

(05-10-2019 08:40 PM)Zenta Wrote:  

(05-10-2019 03:13 PM)DonnyGately Wrote:  

There are so many hot, young, fit girls in the NYC-NJ-PA-DE area it's not even funny.

Miami has a ton. Houston has plenty. Vegas.

Most of the guys complaining don't have the game to get hot girls, so they blame 'american women' or something else that excuses their lack of skills/talents.

No hot girls where you live? Move.

I did.

I run a physical business, help take care of my two grand mothers, and my mother who had a stroke, but yeah sure I'll just move. Great advice, thanks!

Some people do not realize that others may have it worse.

[DonnyGately]

(05-10-2019 04:06 PM)BlastbeatCasanova Wrote:  

@DonnyGately I could be wrong but I think the discussion is more about the personality/attitude/disposition/long term potential trends of American women. No one is arguing that America is lacking for hot girls

If you can't find a sweet, feminine, positive attitude girl you're not really trying. If the only girls you talk to is club sluts, that's what you end up with.

I've met dozens the past few years from 19-29. I can't be just getting lucky all the time. NYC has nice, fun, smart, sexy girls from a variety of cultures. Miami, mostly hispanic, but same. Texas, tons of sweet blondes who'll cook you dinner.

[Donfitz007]

^^ I agree they’re out there but it can’t be that many. I’ve heard people complaining about lack of good women on all formats, Twitter, other forums, youtube, blogs, magazines, etc. maybe people simply like to complain but i haven’t seen many women who like to do those things and honestly I never dated a club slut.

[a beer is enough]

As a minority who was born and raised in the US, I have had a far better experience with American and western women in general compared to women of any other background (especially if they are white).

I have had the worst experiences with the same ethnic women that get hyped up across this board (Brazilian, darker Mediterranean, Asian, and Middle Eastern). Most of the times, I find that they are quite narcissistic to the point of making even the most stuckup sorority girl seem down to earth. On top of that, I also find them to be hopelessly insecure to the point of bleaching their hair blonde and getting blue eyed contacts, deep down I know they envy white girls and the social standing that Northern European women have. Total nutcases with a laundry list of mental health issues that make American women seem sane.

The reason you hear so much crap about American women is that it is an ego thing with guys. Most guys complaining about them are usually guys that don't get play from the top tier ones.

American women and western women are picky about things men can somewhat control about themselves, they want the good looking (or the guy who has put in effort to look good), wealthy, charismatic, and cool guys who can make them have a good time. You don't really get easy bonus points for having blue eyes or blonde hair with them as you would with the kinds of women that get hyped up so much.

So think from the perspective of a guy who has been having a tough time in American his whole life but then goes to Brazil, Spain, Italy, The Middle East or Southeast Asia to find that women automatically fuck him due to his features. The guy is going to promote those women as being the best and put down women who rejected him his whole life. With guys, it is an ego thing, it always is an ego thing.

I'll confess that the reason I love Northern European descent white women so much is because, you guessed it, they love me! On the flip side a guy with the kind of look that seems bland to your typical American girl will opt to go for foreign women and put down American women.

The truth is that you won't as much opportunity elsewhere than the US and a lot of women here are fair.

If you have your shit together in the US and have put in the work to be a top tier guy, you will get play from hot girls. It does not matter what race, color, or creed you are, hot girls here will fuck you if you have your shit together. I cannot say that about majority of the countries on this planet having read the travel posts on this forum and having talked to well traveled people.

[btz]

People are the same the world over, if a woman is treating you like shit is because she thinks you are worth treating like shit. People always give their best to people their attracted to. Going to another country only helps in status (3rd world countries) and as a novelty factor. Once the status or novelty wears off (and it does) that woman will be no different than any other girl in your country.

[shakeitt]

I think if you're not in LA, NY, or Miami you are fucked as far as quality women in the U.S.

In fact, I've recently decided to move to LA and focus only on college chicks.

It's not that I'm not attracted to girls in their mid-20's or above...it's just that it is so damn hard to find ones who are not already jaded, fat, and bitchy in the U.S.

I'm playing the numbers.

[ArcticTraveler]

(05-11-2019 05:34 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  

As a minority who was born and raised in the US, I have had a far better experience with American and western women in general compared to women of any other background (especially if they are white).

I have had the worst experiences with the same ethnic women that get hyped up across this board (Brazilian, darker Mediterranean, Asian, and Middle Eastern). Most of the times, I find that they are quite narcissistic to the point of making even the most stuckup sorority girl seem down to earth. On top of that, I also find them to be hopelessly insecure to the point of bleaching their hair blonde and getting blue eyed contacts, deep down I know they envy white girls and the social standing that Northern European women have. Total nutcases with a laundry list of mental health issues that make American women seem sane.

The reason you hear so much crap about American women is that it is an ego thing with guys. Most guys complaining about them are usually guys that don't get play from the top tier ones.

American women and western women are picky about things men can somewhat control about themselves, they want the good looking (or the guy who has put in effort to look good), wealthy, charismatic, and cool guys who can make them have a good time. You don't really get easy bonus points for having blue eyes or blonde hair with them as you would with the kinds of women that get hyped up so much.

So think from the perspective of a guy who has been having a tough time in American his whole life but then goes to Brazil, Spain, Italy, The Middle East or Southeast Asia to find that women automatically fuck him due to his features. The guy is going to promote those women as being the best and put down women who rejected him his whole life. With guys, it is an ego thing, it always is an ego thing.

I'll confess that the reason I love Northern European descent white women so much is because, you guessed it, they love me! On the flip side a guy with the kind of look that seems bland to your typical American girl will opt to go for foreign women and put down American women.

The truth is that you won't as much opportunity elsewhere than the US and a lot of women here are fair.

If you have your shit together in the US and have put in the work to be a top tier guy, you will get play from hot girls. It does not matter what race, color, or creed you are, hot girls here will fuck you if you have your shit together. I cannot say that about majority of the countries on this planet having read the travel posts on this forum and having talked to well traveled people.

That's exactly on point. Take out all the fat/biker girls there is no shortage of 7s and up since the US enjoys a larger population. So if you have what they want, or working towards it, then it's no walk in the park (number-wise) but getting thoes gals is very manageable.

I think a lot of frustration comes from the younger guys just starting out in life. Since they are building their wealth (which starts at the bottom) and many haven't yet found a purpose, along with honing the qualities to get one, it's tough to get the good looking women making game a young mans most important asset. That's why young guys really have to focus on their goals along with getting out in the field practicing game. It makes sense that if you have a guys not so good with the ladies but has the exotic factor in another country, he'll think highly of the other country.

American girls might look good, but their weakness is due a lack of domestic skills and chastity in general compared to elsewhere. Real marriage material or LTR girls is what this place lacks for most men. Think about it, if you are a moderately successful guy or above, why settle for mediocre or look in a mediocre place -where you have to employ extensive screening techniques- on top of getting better at what you want to do when you can go elsewhere where not only are your chances better, but you can relax a bit and also enjoy some more feminine women provided you keep your game up?

That's not to say LTR/marriage gals don't exist (who are resistant to the profligate part of America) and many American women aren't capable of becoming good but they are a small part on the population.

The US is an easy enough place to have fun but not a good place to find a wife. ...Not yet anyway.

[outback]

Well, I reckon American women are a gift to the world.

Until I met American women for the first time, in Europe then the US on the same trip, I had no idea the world had fun, social, openly DTF women. Not even the other Anglo countries are close on this, their women/people more uptight and less relaxed about sex. Scandinavia is the only other place like it.

The US college system is unique in that girls are forced into 4 years of debauchery, which sets the tone for the country only having women that have been 'broken in', so to speak.

[BlastbeatCasanova]

(05-11-2019 05:03 PM)DonnyGately Wrote:  

(05-10-2019 04:06 PM)BlastbeatCasanova Wrote:  

@DonnyGately I could be wrong but I think the discussion is more about the personality/attitude/disposition/long term potential trends of American women. No one is arguing that America is lacking for hot girls

If you can't find a sweet, feminine, positive attitude girl you're not really trying. If the only girls you talk to is club sluts, that's what you end up with.

I've met dozens the past few years from 19-29. I can't be just getting lucky all the time. NYC has nice, fun, smart, sexy girls from a variety of cultures. Miami, mostly hispanic, but same. Texas, tons of sweet blondes who'll cook you dinner.

I agree with you for sure, my current LTR is one of the categories you described actually. Location is probably crucial.

It's a numbers game for sure. Depending on where they reside, the average guy is going to have to slog through some garbage to find a girl with long term potential. I wasn't even looking for a relationship, I was just at the peak of my player lifestyle, churning the numbers and one turned out worth keeping around for a bit. A few decades ago an average guy could find a sweet feminine girl without a ton of effort, these days it seems like they are definitely more uncommon.

[CleanSlate]

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[EndsExpect]

(05-11-2019 05:34 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  

As a minority who was born and raised in the US, I have had a far better experience with American and western women in general compared to women of any other background (especially if they are white).
I have had the worst experiences with the same ethnic women that get hyped up across this board (Brazilian, darker Mediterranean, Asian, and Middle Eastern). Most of the times, I find that they are quite narcissistic to the point of making even the most stuckup sorority girl seem down to earth. On top of that, I also find them to be hopelessly insecure to the point of bleaching their hair blonde and getting blue eyed contacts, deep down I know they envy white girls and the social standing that Northern European women have. Total nutcases with a laundry list of mental health issues that make American women seem sane.
The reason you hear so much crap about American women is that it is an ego thing with guys. Most guys complaining about them are usually guys that don't get play from the top tier ones.

The long term relationship part just sailed way over your head. Nobody is going to disagree that America is a great place to fuck random sluts.

I have been never struggled with being successful with white American women. To be honest, I'm exactly the kind of man they want on paper. It's just that my experiences over time, I have come to the conclusion that as a group they suck for long term relationships. You can look at marriage rates and statistics and see that this isn't even something we should be debating. It's a naked fact for all to see. If an American man marries a foreign woman the chances of divorce are cut in half. If an American woman marries a foreign man the chances of divorce jump something like 300%.

Now, I'm open to alternate theories to explain that data... but I've also fucking lived it. I have a pretty good idea how and why these things are happening. American women are not simply "hard to please" and you need to "sack up and be a better man". In fact the primary issue is that American women are insane. They often want things in a relationship that are contradictory. Also, they tend in large part to be takers, and not givers.

[Robert High Hawk]

Because of the obesity and lack of social decency norms, wide swaths of America have women who simply do not take care of themselves in the slightest way possible, and indeed they also act incredibly masculine and slovenly, and seem to take a kind of perverse pride in it.

To wit: Think of one other country, other than in the Anglosphere, where a comedian like Amy Schumer would be as popular and idolized as in the US. What about Lena Dunham?

Are there huge exceptions in the US? Certainly, and notable exceptions that exceed the top beauty of many other countries (shocking concept for a country with over 350 MILLION people), yet a critical mass of women are essentially lost. The obesity epidemic is real and it's terrifying. The attention deficit and narcissism of ALL Americans is tragic as well. The first thing one will notice upon flying into America is TVs EVERYWHERE. Every restaurant has several, every bar has them. Amazon is killing whatever little social awareness most people had.

That said, can you still find an attractive well adjusted woman in America? Absolutely! If even 5 percent of women are "normal+", then that leaves you a few million to choose from. And America is huge, and very diverse culturally even amongst the same ethnic group. If you are in a bad spot and can't leave, you simply have to learn a ridiculous level of inner, deep game, and find a fixer upper. A fixer upper is a marginally overweight woman who would look great if she lost weight, yet currently has a rather positive disposition. Bite the bullet, start dating them, then take them on a slow, POSITIVE, weight loss journey, they will appreciate what you've done for them and now you have a hot girlfriend. Notice I said marginally overweight, not full whale status.

[nek]

(05-12-2019 03:08 PM)EndsExpect Wrote:  

Also, they tend in large part to be takers, and not givers.

While this is simply how the world flows to a point (men give to women, women give to children), there has always been at least SOME incentives for men (woman responsible for the house, child care, sexual intimacy and fidelity, influence on the upbringing of children). However, these incentives were the result of social norms that were established and enforced, and have been slowly eroding over the last 100 years or so. Having a societal arrangement where one half of the population gets to act like teenagers - that want all the power and none of the responsibility - and the other half that has ever-dimishing power and is responsible not only for their actions, but the actions of the other party is a recipe for society-wide destabilization.

One example of this that we see playing out is in the dating world with the whole Alcohol/False Rape thing. Women would scream to the high heaven if they were legally required to limit their alcohol intake for their own safety, but the moment they have consensual sex with a guy and regret it the next more, somehow her decision-making is HIS fault. And the result has been misery across the board, with women complaining about finding quality men and men receding into a life of video games, weed, IPAs, and pornography.

[nek]

(05-11-2019 05:11 PM)Donfitz007 Wrote:  

^^ I agree they’re out there but it can’t be that many. I’ve heard people complaining about lack of good women on all formats, Twitter, other forums, youtube, blogs, magazines, etc. maybe people simply like to complain but i haven’t seen many women who like to do those things and honestly I never dated a club slut.

The whole "there's good ones out there" isn't seeing the forest for the trees with the underlying issue. It's an issue of Critical Mass. Yes there are good ones, but by definition, that means that there will be guys out there whose options are only not-good ones. While this has always been the case to some extent, it's the degree to which it has become existent in our culture that generates the shifts in how society starts operating fundamentally. If the degenerate men of society are having women problems that's one thing, but if the average to slightly above average guy (>50%) of the population is looking at their prospects and realizes that it's more likely to be more of a problem than not to get involved with these women, that's when we start to see the big shifts in interpersonal behavior and ultimately, demographics.

[EndsExpect]

(05-12-2019 04:25 PM)nek Wrote:  

While this is simply how the world flows to a point (men give to women, women give to children), there has always been at least SOME incentives for men (woman responsible for the house, child care, sexual intimacy and fidelity, influence on the upbringing of children). However, these incentives were the result of social norms that were established and enforced, and have been slowly eroding over the last 100 years or so. Having a societal arrangement where one half of the population gets to act like teenagers - that want all the power and none of the responsibility - and the other half that has ever-dimishing power and is responsible not only for their actions, but the actions of the other party is a recipe for society-wide destabilization.

And the result has been misery across the board, with women complaining about finding quality men and men receding into a life of video games, weed, IPAs, and pornography.

I have a fairly deep amount of experience with women from other cultures at this point in life. The women of many other cultures take a fundamentally different approach to life and relationships that American women simply do not.

I don't want to go into too much depth, but when I'm talking about give and take in a relationship, I am mostly focused on submissiveness. I think we all should acknowledge that selective submissiveness is a valuable trait in a wife.

A woman who is submissive with everyone... does not make a great wife. I find this type most common in Asian cultures. This is because they are asked to submit to in-laws and the culture as a whole.

A woman who is submissive with the culture and non-intimate strangers, yet attempts to dominate and control her husband is not good wife material. I find this type of woman to be very common in the US and English speaking countries. This is because women in these cultures tend to view their male intimate partners as disposable, along with the fact that men are heavily demonized in these regions. They will often idealize males they don't know, and will heavily focus on even the minute flaws of men they are in a relationship with. It's an effect of mass media and education in these areas combined with most of them growing up with absent fathers.

A woman who is never submissive, who acts dominant all the time is only desirable for men who are in need of a mother type figure to dominate and control their lives. I find many Germanic, and Scandinavian women like this... because these cultures required women to run households while the men were gone in the past. Even in these countries though... the number of women like this is low.

A woman who is submissive with her husband, but fierce and dominant with others is the ideal wife in my opinion. Others may disagree, but I think most RVF members will side with me on this. I have found this type of woman most common in Africa. I have some theories behind this from a cultural aspect but I don't want to digress too much. It's also common to find women of Latin and Islamic cultures who fit this type. I find women to be happiest living in this mode of thinking.

I also want to say that along these lines, what many women want from a man is one who is Strong and Tough with others, but Gentle and Kind with her.

I think it's not just important to talk about how much American women suck, but also to consider WHY they are such terrible and useless long term partners.

[yankeetravels]

(05-11-2019 05:34 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  

As a minority who was born and raised in the US, I have had a far better experience with American and western women in general compared to women of any other background (especially if they are white).

I have had the worst experiences with the same ethnic women that get hyped up across this board (Brazilian, darker Mediterranean, Asian, and Middle Eastern). Most of the times, I find that they are quite narcissistic to the point of making even the most stuckup sorority girl seem down to earth. On top of that, I also find them to be hopelessly insecure to the point of bleaching their hair blonde and getting blue eyed contacts, deep down I know they envy white girls and the social standing that Northern European women have. Total nutcases with a laundry list of mental health issues that make American women seem sane.

The reason you hear so much crap about American women is that it is an ego thing with guys. Most guys complaining about them are usually guys that don't get play from the top tier ones.

American women and western women are picky about things men can somewhat control about themselves, they want the good looking (or the guy who has put in effort to look good), wealthy, charismatic, and cool guys who can make them have a good time. You don't really get easy bonus points for having blue eyes or blonde hair with them as you would with the kinds of women that get hyped up so much.

So think from the perspective of a guy who has been having a tough time in American his whole life but then goes to Brazil, Spain, Italy, The Middle East or Southeast Asia to find that women automatically fuck him due to his features. The guy is going to promote those women as being the best and put down women who rejected him his whole life. With guys, it is an ego thing, it always is an ego thing.

I'll confess that the reason I love Northern European descent white women so much is because, you guessed it, they love me! On the flip side a guy with the kind of look that seems bland to your typical American girl will opt to go for foreign women and put down American women.

The truth is that you won't as much opportunity elsewhere than the US and a lot of women here are fair.

If you have your shit together in the US and have put in the work to be a top tier guy, you will get play from hot girls. It does not matter what race, color, or creed you are, hot girls here will fuck you if you have your shit together. I cannot say that about majority of the countries on this planet having read the travel posts on this forum and having talked to well traveled people.

Dude, I think your logic is off here. You're framing American girl entitlement as a male problem when I think we need to flip the script. We have to start questioning why people consider American women better just because they're from a more similar culture or a higher income part of the world? Not everybody agrees with this, but I consider American women to be the worst I've seen for relationships and even slutting it up. There are attractive girls to be had, but there are easier places with more tolerable women. I'll double down and say the US is the most overrated country on the forum for casual sex. There are plenty of countries you can have that with all the races America offers with a lot less bullshit to deal with and you don't even have to go to the third world.

There are just not as many tolerable women to deal with in America. I've traveled half of this country and attractive women are here, but after being in Asia and other calmer societies where women don't have a fit for false gender oppression, it's just very pleasurable. Dating and fucking women overseas has taught me things I want to look for in a partner that I didn't even know I wanted. Even in America my longest relationship has been with a girl that came from a more conservative culture (second generation girl).

The real problem with American women is that they have kind of the worst mix of both entitlement and selfishness. I'll be fair and say that's not entirely their fault, it's really built into the culture here. America tends to have a best in the world mentality, and while they are good at a lot of things, I notice girls here tend to think like some of the guys that get called out here in believing that they are the best in the world just by showing up. Admittedly, America has some of the best opportunities for exposure, but traveling has made me realize women abroad really do not get enough credit from American guys, and while the ones that give them credit see through rose-colored glasses sometimes, I am someone that likes to look for the under the radar opportunities. That's the entitlement side.

The selfish side is that America is already a society built on individualism. Now with feminism, that concept is doubled for women, because I think they feel this pressure from propaganda to be strong and independent because of "oppression". I talked with an ex of mine from the Philippines a while back about the concept of taking care of parents and grandparents in the endgame. Some of you may laugh, but I mention this because this concept comes into play with family. Girls from poorer or more conservative countries will take care of their family and loved ones til the end. America isn't really like that. We dump them off once they become too inconvenient.

[Graft]

(05-13-2019 02:35 PM)yankeetravels Wrote:  

The real problem with American women is that they have kind of the worst mix of both entitlement and selfishness. I'll be fair and say that's not entirely their fault, it's really built into the culture here. America tends to have a best in the world mentality, and while they are good at a lot of things, I notice girls here tend to think like some of the guys that get called out here in believing that they are the best in the world just by showing up. Admittedly, America has some of the best opportunities for exposure, but traveling has made me realize women abroad really do not get enough credit from American guys, and while the ones that give them credit see through rose-colored glasses sometimes, I am someone that likes to look for the under the radar opportunities. That's the entitlement side.

The selfish side is that America is already a society built on individualism. Now with feminism, that concept is doubled for women, because I think they feel this pressure from propaganda to be strong and independent because of "oppression". I talked with an ex of mine from the Philippines a while back about the concept of taking care of parents and grandparents in the endgame. Some of you may laugh, but I mention this because this concept comes into play with family. Girls from poorer or more conservative countries will take care of their family and loved ones til the end. America isn't really like that. We dump them off once they become too inconvenient.

The individualism concept is the one that I feel is most relevant to American women being awful.

We all know about the feminists, the downright whores, the self mutilation, and the obesity. But those women don't apply to my SMV.

Beer says that men complain about women when they don't get play from top ones. I wouldn't say I always date the top shelf, but I regularly date women in the 7-8 range without any fatness or outwardly feminist. In my experience in NYC, the playbook is usually pretty straightforward:

I get the lead, pursue from 1-3 weeks until I get the date.

Once the date happens, we make out and make tentative plans. I then go on another 1-3 week chase to fit into her busy schedule. Once I get this date we're having sex.

Then they either ghost, or we keep seeing each other about 1x a week. After a few weeks, she will push for some sort of exclusivity (usually it doesn't get this far, she either ghosts or I give up the chase).

Once we get to the exclusivity part, I assume that she'll be seeing me 3-5 times a week, which never happens. I am then constantly chasing her to hang out in between her work, school, city friends, friends visiting out of town, family, etc. I then make an ultimatum that I need to see her more or she's getting downgraded to a plate.

As you can see, I am in a constant state of pull during dating. I'm pulling them for the first, second, third, and constant thereafter of dates. The only time she ever pulls is to lock me. Once she locks me, she no longer feels like she has to do any work.

It's not that she's physically unattractive or a horrible feminist. It's that she has been indoctrinated to put a man close to the bottom of her priority list. Her career comes first, then friend circle 1, 2, 3, family, continuing education, and so forth.

I've never been in a romantic situation with a woman where I said: "I NEED SPACE!"

I've also dated numerous immigrants in NYC and they were even worse with this than the American born ones. There's something in the American air which tells women to treat men like a disposable commodity. They take their "independence" very seriously and feel that sacrificing for a man is below them.

I always expect them to make me a priority and I am always disappointed. 1-2x a week doesn't cut it for me in an exclusive relationship, but a lot of women can only give that if they don't choose to cut down on their social life or career.

[Elmore]

I think it's all the same over the Anglo-Sphere. I dont know a single Anglo marriage where the woman isn't a nagbag. Fucking relentness, and why not, when TV and the media tell them to do so over and over with constant reinforcement of the 'put upon' and 'long-suffering' wife, and her idiot male man-child partner. By brother works his balls off, pulls in over 100k GBP has stock options, commutes 5 hours daily, is an amazing father to three kids, and his wife nags the absolute shit out of him at every turn. He goes to football once every week or so, and the fucking hard time and guilt trip she lays on him for it, fucking hell...

See this everywhere frankly. The only long-term relationships i see that aren't like this are when guys have married EE's, or if they're foreign themselves. The English blue-pilled man these days just takes getting treated like an absolute twat by his woman as standard. Again, why not, the TV, media and academia propagate this at every turn.

I wonder why.... hmm....

[MaceTyrell]

You're putting in the same/more amount of work for a diminishing prize.

At this point, my plans for settling down in the West are mostly economic. Find a 6 with a decent job who I don't absolutely despise, have 2 kids and don't get hung up on trying to make a marriage work.

[shakeitt]

America is useful for pretty much one thing: making money.

Nowadays, if you can work toward an online income, you can eventually replace the need to even be located in the U.S. while still having high paying U.S. or other Anglo clients...all remotely.

Depends on your career of course.

But there are less and less reasons to live in the U.S. every day, save for a few specific career necessities.

[BlackFriar]

https://www.instagram.com/tv/Bv-YI1UBgCv...7j4opci6np

[jbkunt2]

This thread is so dumb.

You're an average man in America and you get average girls.

I feel like a lot of the America hate on this forum comes from people that live in shit towns and backwaters.

Abroad you may have a novelty factor. But they are probably gold digging or hoping for a green card.

At least you know where you stay with an American girl..they don't need you for money or protection but will want you if your fun and make life more enjoyable.

I love American girls.

Some of you seem to be looking for an uneducated, virgin, robot from these desert. Why?

[Jungle]

I've seen a lot, I do well around the world regardless of the local SMP.

Congratulations to all you brave men who "love American girls"

I am amazed by your willingness to waste your time and resources in feeding the beast.

I suppose their only redeeming quality is if you want short-term fun they are promiscuous and under 23 they are not too fat yet.

And yes I know there's outliers and exceptions in every sample size... don't give me that NAWALT BS, we are talking about generalisations here.

To answer the question:

Are American Women Really That Bad?

Well, that depends on your classification of "bad".

If you like obese, masculine, entitled, ungrateful women with more miles than a Datsun... then yes American women are great!

I wish you the best.

[Graft]

(05-13-2019 09:50 PM)jbkunt2 Wrote:  

This thread is so dumb.

You're an average man in America and you get average girls.

I feel like a lot of the America hate on this forum comes from people that live in shit towns and backwaters.

Abroad you may have a novelty factor. But they are probably gold digging or hoping for a green card.

At least you know where you stay with an American girl..they don't need you for money or protection but will want you if your fun and make life more enjoyable.

I love American girls.

Some of you seem to be looking for an uneducated, virgin, robot from these desert. Why?

Homie, you act like gold digging and transactional relationships are exclusive to foreign women.

If you have assets and a flashy lifestyle you have to worry about "gold diggers" the same way you would with foreign women. But average men in America wouldn't know about this.

Truth is that women with high level options are most likely going to want something more than your personality and pretty face in a relationship. American women typically want access to your social circle, your parties, or your cash.

In all seriousness I'd rather a girl who wants me for my greencard rather than a girl who wants me for my social circle or cash, both which can be gone before the honeymoon period is over. At least I know the greencard is constant.