[zatara]

I don't agree with that at all. Brasil is always my first recommendation for people to experience going to South America.

In Argentina and Uruguay the RoI is significantly lower than Brasil because the women are far less promiscuous. And because the nightlife runs retardedly late, which ruins day time activities.
In Bolivia and Paraguay the RoI is lower than Brasil because the women are ugly as sin. And there is no nice beach lifestyle to be had
In Venezuela the RoI is far lower than Brasil because its a failed state

And they're just the countries I've been to. Of the others, Peru and Ecuador are also not noted for their quality of women. And Colombia isn't known for its safety - for all its crime Brasil isn't yet full of scopolamining of gringos yet for example. That only leaves.... Chile? Which is admittedly a surprisingly well functioning state, but you've ruled out it out already.

You've listed the downsides of Brasil and said "any" South American country is better. But haven't listed a single one, or given reasons why. Which exact South American countries would you recommend over Brasil?

edit: also sorry if that phrasing comes across overly argumentative/harsh, its not meant to - I'm just genuinely curious.

[asdfk]

No scopolamine in Brazil? My God, where do you get that from??

Argentina, Peru and Colombia are all good examples. Daygame was ridiculously easy for me in Argentina. In Bs As I banged three chicks during my first two nights out. And I was sound asleep before 3 AM.

Which other country I recommend? It depends on your taste. Plenty of dudes love Peruvian girls, but personally I only have appetite for their food.

[zatara]

I didn't say "No scopolamine in Brazil". I said Brasil's problem with it doesn't compare to Colombias. Scopolamine is far, far less common in Brasil than Colombia. By an order of magnitude. I've never once heard of it being used on someone, read any reports of it by users here, or seen any media coverage of it. This in direct contrast to Colombia where I've personally known people scopolamined, there have been multiple reports here of people who've been scopolamined, and there are constant police/media reports on the issue. There are an estimated 50,000 cases of its use in crime alone every year in Colombia - its a much, much bigger problem there, especially given the population disparity.

If you were home in bed, with 3 different girls in 2 nights out, before 3am in Buenos Aires then your nightlife experience was completely out of the ordinary. Its a notoriously difficult country to have one night stands in, probably one of the most difficult in the world I've experienced. And thats the general forum consensus, too. I would wager the vast, vast majority of people who've been to both Brasil and Argentina would recommend Brasil higher for ease of getting laid.

I'm calling you out slightly here because saying flat out "Brasil isn't worth visiting" and "Brasil is the worst country to visit in South America" are both fairly ridiculous statements to make. One line justifications of "Peruvian food is good" aren't really much of a defense of such hyperbolic statements.

To be clear, I think Brasil does have shitloads of problems. Crime, extreme income inequality, low intelligence levels, traffic, general bureaucratic disorganization... there are plenty to list. But the friendliness of its people, the beach lifestyle on the coast, the relative easiness of getting laid, the attractiveness of the girls (in the South in particular), the good food, the weather, and plenty of other reasons mean I think its extremely disingenuous to say its just flat out not worth visiting. Especially when most of the rest of South America suffers from the exact same problems or worse - but with uglier women and worse weather, to boot.

[asdfk]

It is not worth it just for the girls.

That is what this forum is about.

I'm writing for the general membership. They are interested in the best / easiest places to bang chicks. With all the problems that Brazli has, it simply does not apply.

You mentioned some reasons to visit Brazil. i don't agree with all of them, but fair enough. That is not the reason that most members travel though.

As of scopolamine in Brazil, it is there. Google Cinderella night night. Or just live for a little while in Rio my friend.

Is it a bigger problem in Colombia? Maybe.

Overall, Colombia is much safer than Brazil. All data points to this.

You can cherrypick date rape drugs but that doesn't change the homicide rate, let alone street crime.

As for my nights in Bs As, one I took to my hotel, on the other night I banged one in a bathroom and the other one i went home with.

General forum consensus? Many people on this forum believe the Jews are behind all bad shit in the world. And that dating is completely doomed. Haha, ok man.

[jselysianeagle]

(04-16-2019 05:47 PM)asdfk Wrote:  

Given limited time and good alternatives (where the ROI is higher, basically any LatAm country but Chili), one would be stupid to go to Brazil.

This is extremely dependent on the individual and the part of Brazil they're goin to. I mentioned in my previous post the other forum member who got two quality bangs in a week in Sao Paulo, with very little Portuguese. I do agree that the parts of Brazil with mostly light/white skinned women might be harder since these women are less likely to be looking for an exotic guy, but the beauty of Brazil is that it's so vast, there's always options to try.

(04-17-2019 07:24 AM)asdfk Wrote:  

In Bs As I banged three chicks during my first two nights out. And I was sound asleep before 3 AM.

You are literally the only person on the forum to claim that Argentina was that easy. Of all the countries I have read about, Argentina and Ukraine rank high up there on the list of places that are the hardest to get easy bangs. I've known guys who killed it in nightgame in LA/NYC, top tier dudes that struggled in Argentina, so frankly I'm skeptical of your claims, and I'm goin to chalk it up to sheer luck.

That said, despite all of these reports, I do intend to visit there myself and check it out. Just like I said for Brazil, I believe in direct experience above all else, so I'll grant the possibility that all of these reports are overblown and in fact Argentina may not be as hard...

[asdfk]

Bla bla bla.

My friend, don't believe me? Go experience it for yourself.

Quote:

You are literally the only person on the forum to claim that Argentina was that easy. Of all the countries I have read about, Argentina and Ukraine rank high up there on the list of places that are the hardest to get easy bangs. I've known guys who killed it in nightgame in LA/NYC, top tier dudes that struggled in Argentina, so frankly I'm skeptical of your claims, and I'm goin to chalk it up to sheer luck.

Instead of asking me how I did it, you instead assume I am full of shit.

I'm not claiming at all that Argentina was easy for everyone. It was easy for me.

Great to hear it is hard for other people. That means I'm doing well compared to the rest and that my years of relentless self-improvement have paid off.

To answer the question you were too skeptical to ask, how did I do it?
- I have game that is mostly independent of SMV. Gringo factor helps but I do also well in countries that are white, if....
- If I understand the culture (and can vibe with it), I can meet women there
- If I do not understand that, being openly curious and making an effort to show interest go a long way. If I'm not curious or vibing with it, I don't get laid

Argentina specifically:
- I researched the bars most likely to have girls that want to bang a foreigner for fun

That's it. It ain't that hard.

The asdfk ONS insemination formula: Learn game. Find a place where the women want your specific type. Talk to them. Bang.

If you are not banging, you lack game, women that are interested in your type or the courage to approach.

As for daygame in Argentina: striking up a conversation is very easy in certain places. Argentinans can be very receptive and friendly.

I don't know why other posters didn't do well there.

Again, it was easy for me. Not claiming Argentina is poosy paradise.

[zatara]

(04-17-2019 09:01 AM)asdfk Wrote:  

It is not worth it just for the girls.

That is what this forum is about.

I'm writing for the general membership. They are interested in the best / easiest places to bang chicks. With all the problems that Brazli has, it simply does not apply.

You mentioned some reasons to visit Brazil. i don't agree with all of them, but fair enough. That is not the reason that most members travel though.

As of scopolamine in Brazil, it is there. Google Cinderella night night. Or just live for a little while in Rio my friend.

Is it a bigger problem in Colombia? Maybe.

Overall, Colombia is much safer than Brazil. All data points to this.

You can cherrypick date rape drugs but that doesn't change the homicide rate, let alone street crime.

As for my nights in Bs As, one I took to my hotel, on the other night I banged one in a bathroom and the other one i went home with.

General forum consensus? Many people on this forum believe the Jews are behind all bad shit in the world. And that dating is completely doomed. Haha, ok man.

Which "data points" exactly are you referring to? According to police statistics scopolamine is a much bigger problem in Colombia. Even if we use your own stated preference for homicide rate, Colombia is also much more unsafe than the more commonly visited tourist parts of Brasil. In 2017 Bogota had a homicide rate of 14 per 100,000 people, Medellin 23, and Cali 51. Sao Paulo's is just 6.1, Florianopolis 15 and Rio 21.

Most posters on this forum aren't traveling to a country exclusively to rack up numbers, otherwise every thread here would be about banging hordes of mediocre Filipinas in Manila. The other qualities that make up a country are always relevant to someone planning a trip. Even just on a purely banging attractive girls note though, if you'd prefer, you said there was "no reason to visit Brasil". And that "literally every country in South America was better". So are you really claiming that Bolivia or Paraguay for example are better than Brasil for girls?

[asdfk]

We were not discussing specific parts of the countries but countries as a whole.

About banging girls: I feel that Argentina / Colombia have more attractive women on average, but this is fairly subjective.

[Papi Rico]

(04-17-2019 04:36 PM)zatara Wrote:  

[quote='asdfk' pid='1966994' dateline='1555509668']
So are you really claiming that Bolivia or Paraguay for example are better than Brasil for girls?

Bruh don't sleep on Bolivia or Paraguay. Some of my hottest lays ever were from those countries.

[LatinoHeat]

Spent 2 weeks in Bolivia I shit you not either online, offline, daygame, or nightgame, there was not one fucking broad in that country that even gave me a quarter-choad.

(04-17-2019 08:52 PM)Papi Rico Wrote:  

[quote] (04-17-2019 04:36 PM)zatara Wrote:  

So are you really claiming that Bolivia or Paraguay for example are better than Brasil for girls?

Bruh don't sleep on Bolivia or Paraguay. Some of my hottest lays ever were from those countries.

[zatara]

(04-17-2019 07:25 PM)asdfk Wrote:  

We were not discussing specific parts of the countries but countries as a whole.

About banging girls: I feel that Argentina / Colombia have more attractive women on average, but this is fairly subjective.

Riiight. So you first bring up crime rates as a reason Brasil is not worth visiting, that its better to go literally anywhere else on the continent. Then you claim homicide rates are the only data points that matter, and mention Colombia in particular as safer for comparison. Now you claim homicide rates in the areas that tourists actually visit don't matter, only countries as a whole? You're talking absolute nonsense here - you should really just admit you were wrong.

I'm going to leave you at it either way though, as you've clearly become extremely bitter about Brasil. The other posters in this thread, myself included, spent plenty of time discussing its many negatives - but gave a more balanced picture, because anyone who's been can see it still has positives too. You seem to have an irrational, almost female, hatred of the country that makes you completely unable to assess things objectively though. You really need to get out of there if you dislike it so much and go somewhere else.

[asdfk]

Zatara, I dont need you or anyone else to manage my thought process. And do not call me "almost female."

You are playing a game of rhetorics and I am not playing along. This bickering does not serve me.

I am not here to prove anyone right or wrong. I will write about my boots on the ground experiences. And learn from others as they do the same.

There are plenty of members who have visited Rio for a few weeks or a month and disagree about the safety issue. Or maybe their constitution is different from mine.

There are other members who agree with me on the state of Brazil. The articles on ROK about Rio and Curitiba are spot on, in my opinion.

About the tranquil state of Rio, there was a huge rainstorm last week that lasted for days and was a emergency situation. People died, houses flooded or became damaged. If I would have to guess why it has been quiet is because the city is still recovering from that. But it is a guess.

[jselysianeagle]

Asfdk - you can examine your own posting history to see that almost everything you say about Brazil is extremely negative. May I ask - if you hate it so much, and just about anywhere else is better, then why are you still in Brazil?

[asdfk]

Anywhere else is better for someone looking for a nice place to visit (especially for bangs). My reasons as why to engage with Brazil are personal. I am not negative about the country although it may sound that way. I'm rather interested in why the ways things are as they are.

[Brosemite]

(04-18-2019 11:08 AM)asdfk Wrote:  

There are other members who agree with me on the state of Brazil. The articles on ROK about Rio and Curitiba are spot on, in my opinion.

I have no idea of what people have been discussing on this thread recently but when was there an ROK piece about Curitiba specifically? Thx

[melikey]

I've spent many months in Rio and I think asdfk has a lot of valid points...He is indeed right that its exaggerated how hard Argentina is, if you are not doing well there you just have to learn how to adjust to the enviroment.

Even though I've done very well in Brazil myself, I got to admit that its rare that you see a foreigner/gringo with a stunner. Compared to pretty much any other latin american country where foreigners have access to the best looking girls always and you constantly see gringos with hot girls (Colombia/Peru especially).

Makes me wonder what kind of girls everyone chases if they claim it is such a paradise.

[Borges]

Unrelated to Manaus but I went to a club tonight and saw the dirtiest, shadiest looking gringo I've ever seen - dude looked he hadn't showered in a month - make out with the hottest girl in the club. He was an older guy too. It was one of the strangest scenes I've ever seen in a club. So I guess gringo value is still a factor in Brazil, either that or the guy was running legendary game.

[rottenapple]

Or the girl was a whore offcourse, which is most likely in such events. I see dirty old men with hot girls in many countries.

[asdfk]

^Hahaha, oh man...
Let's just say there are a couple of gringos who like to throw money around for women they barely know. They pay anyhing these girls ask for, from "pocket money", a place to stay, even a car, from date 1. Needless to say the girls are loyal to the depths of their targets wallets.

Edit: There is gringo factor in the bigger cities but it is an achievement to be unlocked, not the stardom one naturally gets when rolling into some other countries. This is because Brazil has people of many different colors and just being white is not a novelty per se.

However, being a foreigner definitely can be a novelty. But there are stubborn prejudices about foreigners in Brazil, most of them bad. Any girl conscious about her social standing will throw up a barrier because you are a foreigner (and foreigners are known to be sex tourists or worse). Getting this barrier down requires patience and good game.

After you get her barrier down, you have to deal with the barriers of her parents and friends, and then that of strangers. Questions like "How long will you stay in Brazil? Why did you come here?" are common.

The higher classes are very careful with letting new people into their circle. A foreigner they do not know and with little connection to the country is considered a potential threat. Daughters are acti vely discouraged to date you if their wealth is large enough.

This is not an iron-clad rule and some wealthy families are open-minded and welcoming when you start smashing their daughter. But most of the time, if they are welcoming, it is rather a sign that they consider you to be more wealthy than them. The lower classes ofcourse applaud enthusiastically if someone with wealth expresses interest in their offspring.

In addition: if a girl does not throw up a barrier when you first meet her she is likely not te be worried about her social standing, which could mean she is not worth pursuing depending on what you are after.

This might be nice if you are after one night stands with lower class girls. There is nothing wrong with that and being a foreigner can definitely be an advantage as long as you can make yourself understood. Building trust is huge in Brazil and if you do not speak the language or just come accross as "too much", you get blown out easily.

The aobve refers to the more cosmopolitan cities and not to Manaus (where I haven't visited). Sorry, wrong thread.

[fvitterbi]

(04-19-2019 08:12 AM)asdfk Wrote:  

^Hahaha, oh man...
Let's just say there are a couple of gringos who like to throw money around for women they barely know. They pay anyhing these girls ask for, from "pocket money", a place to stay, even a car, from date 1. Needless to say the girls are loyal to the depths of their targets wallets.

Edit: There is gringo factor in the bigger cities but it is an achievement to be unlocked, not the stardom one naturally gets when rolling into some other countries. This is because Brazil has people of many different colors and just being white is not a novelty per se.

However, being a foreigner definitely can be a novelty. But there are stubborn prejudices about foreigners in Brazil, most of them bad. Any girl conscious about her social standing will throw up a barrier because you are a foreigner (and foreigners are known to be sex tourists or worse). Getting this barrier down requires patience and good game.

After you get her barrier down, you have to deal with the barriers of her parents and friends, and then that of strangers. Questions like "How long will you stay in Brazil? Why did you come here?" are common.

The higher classes are very careful with letting new people into their circle. A foreigner they do not know and with little connection to the country is considered a potential threat. Daughters are acti vely discouraged to date you if their wealth is large enough.

This is not an iron-clad rule and some wealthy families are open-minded and welcoming when you start smashing their daughter. But most of the time, if they are welcoming, it is rather a sign that they consider you to be more wealthy than them. The lower classes ofcourse applaud enthusiastically if someone with wealth expresses interest in their offspring.

In addition: if a girl does not throw up a barrier when you first meet her she is likely not te be worried about her social standing, which could mean she is not worth pursuing depending on what you are after.

This might be nice if you are after one night stands with lower class girls. There is nothing wrong with that and being a foreigner can definitely be an advantage as long as you can make yourself understood. Building trust is huge in Brazil and if you do not speak the language or just come accross as "too much", you get blown out easily.

The aobve refers to the more cosmopolitan cities and not to Manaus (where I haven't visited). Sorry, wrong thread.

you're right on about Manaus as well, i've never met girls so conscious about their skin color/social status and being seen with someone similar..I've felt it in places like Guadalajara before but wow, this shit is on another level here!

a few funny stories.. i day gamed a hot girl recently and she absolutely refused to follow me back on instagram, even after talking for 2 weeks via whatssapp and via instagram DM, she claimed her instagram was broken, finally after i took her out to an expensive concert, afterwards her instagram was suddenly working LOL..

another girl i day gamed, we talked on instagram and she wasn't interested in going out with me until she saw me post that i was doing expensive things like going to see movies in 3D (ticket price around $12 USD in Brasil) or at an expensive gym (compania atletica, $125 USD/month)... we had talked for a bit on IG after the day game interaction....but when i asked her out she went completely cold.... 24 hours later after seeing posts at these places, she says she would love to go out....of course i had lost a lot of interest!. it went from being a great day game lead to feeling like a Tinder lead in 5 minutes .....and she was only 18, i met her at the supermarket!

..i have an apartment in a nice part of town that is $1000/month in Manaus, and i'm surprised how many girls will come up and tell me it's small and suggest that i move to a more expensive part of town.....have i just lost touch with reality or isn't $1000/month still a lot of money?

and the same girls who are asking for presents and things are then going to Rio for 10 days on vacation... so apparently money grows on trees for some people in Brazil LOL

ok last funny story i have for you guys... met a girl who refused to have sex on the 1st date.. said she was a virgin, she gave me a BJ..but she was very good at it and barely 18 years old... we had sex on the 2nd date..but she didn't seem like a virgin... no complaining of pain, no bleeding...i've had sex with virgins before.. this was no virgin....but she kept up that lie all throughout and after the 2nd date..

it's the freaking wild west out here! anything goes!