[Sasquatch]

(11-26-2018 05:06 AM)BadBoyGamer Wrote:  

This guy set himself up for failure from the beginning.

His mindset is all wrong.

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Some of you guys spend too much time on Tinder. It made you believe looks is important. It is not. At best it is helpful. And if you are really good looking it might indeed provide some advantages.

Qualities that are much much more important are: Dominance, Risk taking behaviours, Initiative taking, Pre Selection, Frame Control, Fearlessness, Display of sexuality, etc.

Lol

[BadBoyGamer]

(11-26-2018 07:05 AM)Sasquatch Wrote:  

(11-26-2018 05:06 AM)BadBoyGamer Wrote:  

This guy set himself up for failure from the beginning.

His mindset is all wrong.

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Some of you guys spend too much time on Tinder. It made you believe looks is important. It is not. At best it is helpful. And if you are really good looking it might indeed provide some advantages.

Qualities that are much much more important are: Dominance, Risk taking behaviours, Initiative taking, Pre Selection, Frame Control, Fearlessness, Display of sexuality, etc.

Lol

What you be lolling about?

[Comte De St. Germain]

This place really has changed. Half the posters in this thread are complaining about how hard it is and bawwing. Even the most hardcore of the politics posters back in the day were never negative or defeatist back in the day when I was more active about the possibility of success or hell ever sympathizing more than in passing with an incel mindset. Everyone was drunk on finding success.


Any man that honestly thinks that he can't change his life situation in every aspect through hard work, dedication, and honest introspection coupled with feedback from successful people they are already the lost and damned.

They don't deserve to reproduce because they lack the fundamental capability of being a man. Which is that we can always improve our stock and that we band together and learn from each other to the benefit of all involved.

The camaraderie of close male friends for success and personal enlightenment is one of the only few constants in this world. Don't squander or ever forget it.

[Jefferson]

Absolutely right, there's too much negativity generally.

@ Professor When "Society does push them down that path."

When you get pushed you pull. You don't just accept getting pushed. You decide. Sure, some of us were born luckier. I had an 8 face when I was younger, though a 6 body (too skinny), I was the college basketball star, my parents had horses, my father worked in large nightclub, where I spent every night on summer vacations. I should have been killing it with women. In reality I would be lucky to win an approach now and then, though girls were interested it was hard work to work out the dynamics of interpersonal relations with girls. Looks or social standing make very little difference in that regard ONCE you are in with a girl. As it happened a girl picked me, then another one, I reproduced already, but I'm struggling with the same issues of 'how do women work'. I approach, I get interest, I get numbers, but rarely do I get a lay. Even guys like Giovanny or Corsega, admit that most of the approaches do not work. But you don't just whine about society, you keep going and do the best you can.

Society helps you, it nurtures you, it provides what you need. Sure, it can be a bully and beat you down now and then, but you just got to have the confidence that you can do what you need to do. Despite the inevitable failures.

Don't let them get you down.

[droughtmeat]

Wow his approaches are straight cringe. "I think you're attractive. What do you have to say about that?"
Obviously didn't learn jack even after 1000 approaches

[subterfuge]

(11-26-2018 11:37 AM)droughtmeat Wrote:  

Wow his approaches are straight cringe. "I think you're attractive. What do you have to say about that?"
Obviously didn't learn jack even after 1000 approaches

I could be wrong, but i'm almost sure I've heard that dude from goodlookingloser use that opener, so I guess that's where he got it from? Plus he's probably read 'what you say doesn't matter' on PUA forums a million times from respected posters anyway!

[droughtmeat]

(11-26-2018 11:45 AM)subterfuge Wrote:  

(11-26-2018 11:37 AM)droughtmeat Wrote:  

Wow his approaches are straight cringe. "I think you're attractive. What do you have to say about that?"
Obviously didn't learn jack even after 1000 approaches

I could be wrong, but i'm almost sure I've heard that dude from goodlookingloser use that opener, so I guess that's where he got it from? Plus he's probably read 'what you say doesn't matter' on PUA forums a million times from respected posters anyway!

Ok, admittedly, it could work, if used sarcastically in order to fake insecurity. I could see myself using it and embracing the awkwardness, but I that's not the vibe that I got from the video

[subterfuge]

(11-26-2018 11:56 AM)droughtmeat Wrote:  

(11-26-2018 11:45 AM)subterfuge Wrote:  

(11-26-2018 11:37 AM)droughtmeat Wrote:  

Wow his approaches are straight cringe. "I think you're attractive. What do you have to say about that?"
Obviously didn't learn jack even after 1000 approaches

I could be wrong, but i'm almost sure I've heard that dude from goodlookingloser use that opener, so I guess that's where he got it from? Plus he's probably read 'what you say doesn't matter' on PUA forums a million times from respected posters anyway!

Ok, admittedly, it could work, if used sarcastically in order to fake insecurity. I could see myself using it and embracing the awkwardness, but I that's not the vibe that I got from the video

I agree. I guess it's just highlighting how some people struggle a lot with the subcontext of this stuff!

[pancakemouse]

(11-26-2018 02:06 AM)Sasquatch Wrote:  

(11-25-2018 11:01 PM)corsega Wrote:  

(11-25-2018 09:02 PM)Sasquatch Wrote:  

“He didn’t execute game properly or approach enough women” is usually the catch cry.

Most likely isn’t physically attractive enough in a modern world where women are absolutely spoiled for choice and options.

I recently tried to help a friend on tinder who had 0 hits after two months. He is not an attractive man but not hideously ugly either. Healthy, tall, all up I’d say a 4.
I selected some better photos for him, deleted his beta cringe profile and still a week later no hits. Not even the abundance of ugly disgustingly fat girls that I used to swipe past when I had the app. He assures me he isn’t being picky and tries pretty much everyone desperate to get a hit.

That highlights to me what a depressing shit show it must be for men <5 out there. It’s not easy for the <8’s either as the Chads 8+ are devouring up our markets as well.

I agree it's hard for naturally ugly guys, but pretty much any guy can become at least a 5 in half a year, no matter where they start from.

Tan
Haircut
Shave
Skincare
6 months of heavy compound lifting/dieting
Better clothes
Posture work/smirking/smile/eyecontact
Elevator shoes (for guys under 5'7")

Meh, No offence dude but besides the lifting/dieting this is such basic bitch advice that may have helped men in the 90's but its just minimum expected shit now, like wiping your own ass.

The games changed Female 5's don't want male 5's especially for some shallow promiscuous hook ups when they can easily secure men of higher SMV pumping down.

A female's hypergamy used to be isolated to her local communities but now she is inundated with thirsty attention and cock from around the globe and the competition is fierce.

Male 5s fuck female 5s every day. Tons of them.

Keep coping, though.

[tugofpeace]

(11-26-2018 12:24 PM)corsega Wrote:  

(11-26-2018 02:06 AM)Sasquatch Wrote:  

(11-25-2018 11:01 PM)corsega Wrote:  

(11-25-2018 09:02 PM)Sasquatch Wrote:  

“He didn’t execute game properly or approach enough women” is usually the catch cry.

Most likely isn’t physically attractive enough in a modern world where women are absolutely spoiled for choice and options.

I recently tried to help a friend on tinder who had 0 hits after two months. He is not an attractive man but not hideously ugly either. Healthy, tall, all up I’d say a 4.
I selected some better photos for him, deleted his beta cringe profile and still a week later no hits. Not even the abundance of ugly disgustingly fat girls that I used to swipe past when I had the app. He assures me he isn’t being picky and tries pretty much everyone desperate to get a hit.

That highlights to me what a depressing shit show it must be for men <5 out there. It’s not easy for the <8’s either as the Chads 8+ are devouring up our markets as well.

I agree it's hard for naturally ugly guys, but pretty much any guy can become at least a 5 in half a year, no matter where they start from.

Tan
Haircut
Shave
Skincare
6 months of heavy compound lifting/dieting
Better clothes
Posture work/smirking/smile/eyecontact
Elevator shoes (for guys under 5'7")

Meh, No offence dude but besides the lifting/dieting this is such basic bitch advice that may have helped men in the 90's but its just minimum expected shit now, like wiping your own ass.

The games changed Female 5's don't want male 5's especially for some shallow promiscuous hook ups when they can easily secure men of higher SMV pumping down.

A female's hypergamy used to be isolated to her local communities but now she is inundated with thirsty attention and cock from around the globe and the competition is fierce.

Male 5s fuck female 5s every day. Tons of them.

Keep coping, though.

The level of delusion on some of these incel/redpill guys is funny. If their logic was reality, I would see nothing but Chads with hot women everywhere I go, which is not the case at all.

It's usually 5-6s guys with all the hot women and I live in a major city downtown. Guys that wear tennis shoes, don't work out, have neckbeards, average/below average fashion sense, etc.

[Professor When]

(11-25-2018 11:13 PM)Kamikaze Wrote:  

1. I, and everyone here, completely understand the defeatist path. There's nothing mysterious about it. Again, game is hard. Harder today than before. And like you later mention about your father, the solution is not to hide, but to make something of yourself, forge yourself into something of value. We can never forget, the great advantage of being born a man is being able to build our value up even if we're ugly AF. If a woman is born ugly AF, she has very little recourse compared to what we men can do for ourselves.

2. Finding women uninteresting is completely at odds with what you say later, that we want love from them. Why would we want love from something that isn't interesting, or can't capture our attention? Women don't have to try hard. The chase is up to us men. Again, we all know that. Here's a different spin on it that's less defeatist.

I liken it to eating a fast food burger. They're very tasty on the surface because the grease and salt all go straight to pumping out dopamine. But if you take a second to actually taste the meat, it's bland and flavorless aside from salt and grease.

I have an emotional desire for validation from women, but logically I am aware that they really don't offer me very much. So I get pangs of loneliness every now and then (craving that burger) but when I actually try to interact with women they really disgust me. Part of it is their complete lack of enthusiasm since I'm still unattractive. Right now I'm focusing on fitness and just gaming when the opportunity arises. But that's just me.

(11-25-2018 11:13 PM)Kamikaze Wrote:  

Patrice O'Neal used to say men get famous just to get even with beautiful women. Beautiful women get stopped on the street all the time. Men? Only if they're famous.

YES. Attractive women are born with the great fortune of not having to be interesting and successful to garner attention. But we as men are born with the gift to acquire interesting-ness and success rather than being born with it.

As for women actually being boring...

If a guy doesn't find women interesting, and their psychology fascinating, even in their 'simplicity'... it is unlikely this guy would have the thirst, the wherewithal, the ingenuity to try and solve the puzzle that is attracting women. I've heard so many women tell me they really enjoyed my "curiosity" after we talked about that quality in relationships. Believing "women are boring" is dangerous because, even though it can be funny, it can also be self defeatist and, frankly, hypocritical. Something about them must sure be captivating if we want to be around them.

I've been on a few dates where the women cannot talk about anything beyond what they're watching on netflix. More likely it's that the only women that are on my level right now are the boring ones. Getting countless "I don't know" or "nothing really" answers when I try to find out what these girls like, what they do, or what they think about is just not worth my effort.

I'm sorry to say that my experience on this front gives me even more evidence of the halo effect. The same women that would enjoy your curiosity might find my curiosity to be "inappropriate" or "too forward." I'm reasonably convinced that for me (and presumably this guy) that the key is just making yourself look better and the personality that women find "creepy" will eventually become "quirky" instead.

(11-25-2018 11:13 PM)Kamikaze Wrote:  

If you want to go down the path of highlighting my own insecurities, you are more than welcome to.

I'm not sure if you're insinuating that I believe this forum is beyond reproach or is perfect, my statements in my previous posts were actually tongue in cheek. I haven't posted here for years for a reason, this forum has changed a whooooole lot since I first joined and was most active. Something you would have no idea about, unless you lurked way back when.

Let's just say, from when I first started, this forum has veered closer and closer in themes and tones to that incel forum. The attitude to improve ourselves as men has lost traction, with other topics not related to game becoming a lot more popular.

Like I said, I understand the woe-is-me sentiment. But tapping out is not the answer. The answer is to take all this shit in stride. And move forward...

This was not a personal attack on you, but a comment on the general mindset of what I see on this forum. For example, at one point I remember seeing a list of thing that only beta men do and that list included something like "don't eat a girl out because it makes you submissive." That degree of sensitivity to appearing beta is not a healthy thing. I saw a thread about what hobbies are good for getting laid and some posts were warning away from "beta" hobbies, like videogames. One said that he lies to women that see his console and says "I just use it to play sports games."

That's the kind of insecurity I mean. If owning up to my nerdy hobbies and the things I enjoy makes me a beta and repulses women, then I guess I'm looking at monk mode for the rest of my life. Self improvement in the pursuit of women is a good thing, self-denial is not.

(11-26-2018 10:32 AM)Jefferson Wrote:  

Absolutely right, there's too much negativity generally.

@ Professor When "Society does push them down that path."

When you get pushed you pull. You don't just accept getting pushed. You decide. Sure, some of us were born luckier. I had an 8 face when I was younger, though a 6 body (too skinny), I was the college basketball star, my parents had horses, my father worked in large nightclub, where I spent every night on summer vacations. I should have been killing it with women. In reality I would be lucky to win an approach now and then, though girls were interested it was hard work to work out the dynamics of interpersonal relations with girls. Looks or social standing make very little difference in that regard ONCE you are in with a girl. As it happened a girl picked me, then another one, I reproduced already, but I'm struggling with the same issues of 'how do women work'. I approach, I get interest, I get numbers, but rarely do I get a lay. Even guys like Giovanny or Corsega, admit that most of the approaches do not work. But you don't just whine about society, you keep going and do the best you can.

Society helps you, it nurtures you, it provides what you need. Sure, it can be a bully and beat you down now and then, but you just got to have the confidence that you can do what you need to do. Despite the inevitable failures.

Don't let them get you down.

It goes deeper than just approaches and women being bitchy with inflated egos. It goes right down to the core of indoctrination through schools and adults telling children how the world works. Most of it can be boiled down to "girls are special, boys are trash." It's about boys being raised believing that they are wrong, that they are the enemy.

It took me a long time to realize that I had a support system from my father, but most boys don't have even that. Many boys are either the products of single mothers (I think we're up to 40% in the US) or they have spineless fathers that make them equally spineless. I learned in my early childhood that any risk I take is met with disapproval and failure. It was hard to overcome that mindset, especially since that is the reality for me when dealing with women.

Sure, whining isn't going to help, but it is the first step in acknowledging that things are fucked up. There's a difference between saying that things are bad, here's how you adapt vs. telling him it's all his fault for his negativity.

[Shemp]

Male 5s with hot women on their arm are likely to be under severe pressure to put a ring on it. The pressure will have more effect than it would on Chad, precisely because male 5s have fewer options than Chad. Which is perhaps why hot women choose a male 5 when they could do better. No guarantee that these male 5s will be having much sex after the first little treasure is born, but 100% guarantee these male 5s will pay child support if they want to stay out of prison.

A male 5 with a hot woman is only to be admired/envied if he is having no strings attached sex and lots of it, and also not spending much on dating costs and also not eating a lot of shit. You can't know all that just by looking at couples on the street.

[scorpion]

No man is entitled to female attention. Period. In the past we had social structures in place that resulted in a much more egalitarian distribution of women, but even then the lowest quality men DID NOT get women. This is simply the natural order. It is God/Mother Nature's way of weeding bad rolls of the genetic dice out of the gene pool.

Think of women like a puzzle. Figuring out how to get laid, by whatever means necessary, means you successfully solve the puzzle. For some guys solving the puzzle will be very easy due to natural advantages. For others solving the puzzle will be extremely difficult or impossible. But if you can't figure out how to solve that puzzle, your genes don't make it to the next generation. It's simply a filtering mechanism. You prove your fitness by solving that puzzle. That's it. Prove your mettle. Figure out how to solve the puzzle.

The reality is that there are a lot of fucked up, loser guys out there, many of whom are extremely bitter and who have developed toxic, antisocial personalities. No one wants to be around them, especially not attractive young women. These men have nothing to offer anyone in their current condition. Their lack of success with women is itself the strongest indication that they are messed up/broken in their current state - concrete proof that what they are currently doing in life IS NOT WORKING AND THEY NEED TO CHANGE. It's a flashing red light. But instead of taking their failure as a wake-up call and making the changes necessary, most of them just continue to wallow in negativity and anger. They remain losers. It is what it is. You cannot help guys like that.

If anyone reading this identifies with the guy from the OP, then you need to stop approaching and engage in some serious personal development. You need to identify your weak points and address them. If you are getting blown out over and over then you have major problems with your presentation - something is seriously off with your look, your general vibe or your manner of speaking. You need to figure out what you're doing wrong and correct it. The worst thing you can do is cultivate a mindset of bitterness and entitlement. The women you keep failing with OWE YOU NOTHING. Remember that. You need to present them a sufficiently compelling product (yourself) to get them interested. If you're failing over and over, you simply need to make your product better.

[Repo]

(11-26-2018 01:12 PM)scorpion Wrote:  

No man is entitled to female attention. Period. In the past we had social structures in place that resulted in a much more egalitarian distribution of women, but even then the lowest quality men DID NOT get women. This is simply the natural order. It is God/Mother Nature's way of weeding bad rolls of the genetic dice out of the gene pool.

Think of women like a puzzle. Figuring out how to get laid, by whatever means necessary, means you successfully solve the puzzle. For some guys solving the puzzle will be very easy due to natural advantages. For others solving the puzzle will be extremely difficult or impossible. But if you can't figure out how to solve that puzzle, your genes don't make it to the next generation. It's simply a filtering mechanism. You prove your fitness by solving that puzzle. That's it. Prove your mettle. Figure out how to solve the puzzle.

The reality is that there are a lot of fucked up, loser guys out there, many of whom are extremely bitter and who have developed toxic, antisocial personalities. No one wants to be around them, especially not attractive young women. These men have nothing to offer anyone in their current condition. Their lack of success with women is itself the strongest indication that they are messed up/broken in their current state - concrete proof that what they are currently doing in life IS NOT WORKING AND THEY NEED TO CHANGE. It's a flashing red light. But instead of taking their failure as a wake-up call and making the changes necessary, most of them just continue to wallow in negativity and anger. They remain losers. It is what it is. You cannot help guys like that.

If anyone reading this identifies with the guy from the OP, then you need to stop approaching and engage in some serious personal development. You need to identify your weak points and address them. If you are getting blown out over and over then you have major problems with your presentation - something is seriously off with your look, your general vibe or your manner of speaking. You need to figure out what you're doing wrong and correct it. The worst thing you can do is cultivate a mindset of bitterness and entitlement. The women you keep failing with OWE YOU NOTHING. Remember that. You need to present them a sufficiently compelling product (yourself) to get them interested. If you're failing over and over, you simply need to make your product better.

[Kamikaze]

(11-26-2018 01:12 PM)scorpion Wrote:  

[distilled truth]

This is closer to what the RVF sounded like a few years back. Thanks.

[Jefferson]

(11-26-2018 12:44 PM)Professor When Wrote:  

It goes deeper than just approaches and women being bitchy with inflated egos. It goes right down to the core of indoctrination through schools and adults telling children how the world works. Most of it can be boiled down to "girls are special, boys are trash." It's about boys being raised believing that they are wrong, that they are the enemy.

It took me a long time to realize that I had a support system from my father, but most boys don't have even that. Many boys are either the products of single mothers (I think we're up to 40% in the US) or they have spineless fathers that make them equally spineless. I learned in my early childhood that any risk I take is met with disapproval and failure. It was hard to overcome that mindset, especially since that is the reality for me when dealing with women.

Sure, whining isn't going to help, but it is the first step in acknowledging that things are fucked up. There's a difference between saying that things are bad, here's how you adapt vs. telling him it's all his fault for his negativity.

It's good you are looking at the deeper causes of failure. However, it would be more useful to look at the causes of failure within yourself because you will never be able to change society but you can change yourself. You're an adult now, the indoctrination in schools when you were small should not matter, if you are an adult you can make up your own mind, you are no longer controlled by school. Yes, this world makes it a lot easier for women, it's true, it's unfair, but the only thing you can change is you. Sure, it's hard. Very hard. Ultimately, if you fail though it is your fault, because you made the wrong choices. Not schools. Not society, not an absent father. It's you. Nobody is responsible for you but yourself.

[Headbang]

(11-25-2018 07:36 PM)Spaniard88 Wrote:  

(11-25-2018 07:24 PM)WannaBang Wrote:  

I hate to admit it but I have finally come to agree with this. I only got 8/1600 approaches which while not 0 is still shit.

The 8 of 1600, you're saying you got 8 lays out of 1600 approaches? I'm curious if that's what the 8 means. And were any of them girlfriend material, like, if they were lays, did you try to partner up with them? Or things didn't go beyond one or two nights?

Where do you find 1600 girls?, my god.
Im embarrassed, I get IOI's and I will chat up a girl to see if I can get an IOI but I blow past so many of them I am ashamed. If Im not ON, then Ill miss the little window you get. You guys would kill me if you knew how bad I am at closing IOI's and what I've missed out on.
My biggest problem is Im an empty suit. I have personality resources, basicly Im like a ''natural'' cocky funny guy, but I have financial issues that are difficult to overcome.

[Sasquatch]

(11-26-2018 12:24 PM)corsega Wrote:  

(11-26-2018 02:06 AM)Sasquatch Wrote:  

(11-25-2018 11:01 PM)corsega Wrote:  

(11-25-2018 09:02 PM)Sasquatch Wrote:  

“He didn’t execute game properly or approach enough women” is usually the catch cry.

Most likely isn’t physically attractive enough in a modern world where women are absolutely spoiled for choice and options.

I recently tried to help a friend on tinder who had 0 hits after two months. He is not an attractive man but not hideously ugly either. Healthy, tall, all up I’d say a 4.
I selected some better photos for him, deleted his beta cringe profile and still a week later no hits. Not even the abundance of ugly disgustingly fat girls that I used to swipe past when I had the app. He assures me he isn’t being picky and tries pretty much everyone desperate to get a hit.

That highlights to me what a depressing shit show it must be for men <5 out there. It’s not easy for the <8’s either as the Chads 8+ are devouring up our markets as well.

I agree it's hard for naturally ugly guys, but pretty much any guy can become at least a 5 in half a year, no matter where they start from.

Tan
Haircut
Shave
Skincare
6 months of heavy compound lifting/dieting
Better clothes
Posture work/smirking/smile/eyecontact
Elevator shoes (for guys under 5'7")

Meh, No offence dude but besides the lifting/dieting this is such basic bitch advice that may have helped men in the 90's but its just minimum expected shit now, like wiping your own ass.

The games changed Female 5's don't want male 5's especially for some shallow promiscuous hook ups when they can easily secure men of higher SMV pumping down.

A female's hypergamy used to be isolated to her local communities but now she is inundated with thirsty attention and cock from around the globe and the competition is fierce.

Male 5s fuck female 5s every day. Tons of them.

Keep coping, though.

I used to easily bed male 4/5's girlfriends and one time a wife until I became disgusted with myself and stopped.

It was probably ego serving and insecurity on my end but it did show me just how shallow and easily led astray women are if they think they can trade up.

Ive lost the attention/desire of girls the same way to Chads.

[Jefferson]

Relax, he means he used to bed the girlfriends of males that were a 4 or a 5, he did not bed males that were 4s or 5s.

[Sasquatch]

(11-26-2018 01:12 PM)scorpion Wrote:  

No man is entitled to female attention. Period. In the past we had social structures in place that resulted in a much more egalitarian distribution of women, but even then the lowest quality men DID NOT get women. This is simply the natural order. It is God/Mother Nature's way of weeding bad rolls of the genetic dice out of the gene pool.

Think of women like a puzzle. Figuring out how to get laid, by whatever means necessary, means you successfully solve the puzzle. For some guys solving the puzzle will be very easy due to natural advantages. For others solving the puzzle will be extremely difficult or impossible. But if you can't figure out how to solve that puzzle, your genes don't make it to the next generation. It's simply a filtering mechanism. You prove your fitness by solving that puzzle. That's it. Prove your mettle. Figure out how to solve the puzzle.

The reality is that there are a lot of fucked up, loser guys out there, many of whom are extremely bitter and who have developed toxic, antisocial personalities. No one wants to be around them, especially not attractive young women. These men have nothing to offer anyone in their current condition. Their lack of success with women is itself the strongest indication that they are messed up/broken in their current state - concrete proof that what they are currently doing in life IS NOT WORKING AND THEY NEED TO CHANGE. It's a flashing red light. But instead of taking their failure as a wake-up call and making the changes necessary, most of them just continue to wallow in negativity and anger. They remain losers. It is what it is. You cannot help guys like that.

If anyone reading this identifies with the guy from the OP, then you need to stop approaching and engage in some serious personal development. You need to identify your weak points and address them. If you are getting blown out over and over then you have major problems with your presentation - something is seriously off with your look, your general vibe or your manner of speaking. You need to figure out what you're doing wrong and correct it. The worst thing you can do is cultivate a mindset of bitterness and entitlement. The women you keep failing with OWE YOU NOTHING. Remember that. You need to present them a sufficiently compelling product (yourself) to get them interested. If you're failing over and over, you simply need to make your product better.

Look, you're not wrong but what happens if every man on earth raises his SMV by 2 points and the women in our societies continue to degrade without any responsibility to maintain any standards.

We will see a sexual market so bad that men putting in extreme efforts of improvement will be fighting for scraps. They will be eating shit and told by guys like you to suck it up and keep on eating.

I believe we need to fix our society instead of short term thinking of exploiting the decline in a nihilistic orgy gonna get me mine mindset.

[Kamikaze]

(11-26-2018 12:44 PM)Professor When Wrote:  

... for validation from women, but logically I am aware that they really don't offer me very much. So I get pangs of loneliness every now and then (craving that burger) but when I actually try to interact with women they really disgust me. Part of it is their complete lack of enthusiasm since I'm still unattractive. Right now I'm focusing on fitness and just gaming when the opportunity arises. But that's just me.

I've been on a few dates where the women cannot talk about anything beyond what they're watching on netflix. More likely it's that the only women that are on my level right now are the boring ones. Getting countless "I don't know" or "nothing really" answers when I try to find out what these girls like, what they do, or what they think about is just not worth my effort.

I'm sorry to say that my experience on this front gives me even more evidence of the halo effect. The same women that would enjoy your curiosity might find my curiosity to be "inappropriate" or "too forward." I'm reasonably convinced that for me (and presumably this guy) that the key is just making yourself look better and the personality that women find "creepy" will eventually become "quirky" instead.

A woman being receptive to you is a big part, and you are on your way in that department.

But I would say what you think is "curiosity" is not the curiosity I mean. It's the curiosity to want to understand the female mind, and when you say they "disgust you," it's not a stretch to extrapolate you are not curious about the female mind.

Asking someone "so tell me about yourself" or "tell me what you like" is a good way to get answers you don't care about hearing. Ask them what you want to know. I like to know who they are, where they're from, what makes them tick, WHY are they this way, etc. Everyone has a past, dreams and desires. Talk about those, not netflix.

The junk food analogy has been made before, but with regards to lower quality girls who aren't necessarily boring, but below par physically. I figured out very early in my gaming days that indeed, junk food kills. I hated finishing a bang with some girl I was not into, and felt like I was wasting my time. Although looking back that practice was still necessary.

You need to have the emotional impetus to go on this journey of discovering this girl. If you don't have the impetus, you're not going to care about figuring her out, and even if you do, nothing will save the interaction.

You seem to be preoccupied with the typical catchphrases women and feminists use to make men feel awkward and evil. It seems to affect you a lot. Especially creep and inappropriate. As Patrice said, "inappropriate is a female word." Part of game is taking stuff in stride and always keeping your own personal "mental structure," or "frame" to use PUA jargon, intact. Women who use these words are testing you. It's part of the puzzle. If these words frazzle you, you've lost. But truthfully, I have never heard these words being directed at me. As Scorpion said, something about your presentation is triggering these alarm bells, and you have to figure that out.

Game is called "game" for a reason. Some of us have to play on a harder difficulty level than others, such is life. It seems to me you are still struggling in that first level, accepting the reality that you will have to work harder than others, and expending valuable energy feeling sorry for yourself.

One of my favorite things to talk about with women, (after lots and lots of sex of course) is how I was born completely average. I'm 5'10", brown-ish, average build (but above average physique and athleticism due to training), average looks, balding, average career, average intellect, average dick, pretty much average everything.

Anything I get for myself, I worked for it. I WANT a girl to just say 'Meh, he looks alright.' That's right b, and you still gargled my nuts. That means I fucking earned that pussy, and everything else of note that comes my way.

Fine. You've got step 1. Game is hard and shit is stacked against you. When are you going to move to step 2?

Don't let Incel Jesus 1000 and his flawed experiences keep you in step 1. He hasn't taught us anything we don't know.

[Shemp]

>>I believe we need to fix our society instead of short term thinking of exploiting the decline in a nihilistic orgy gonna get me mine mindset.

Every wise philosopher since the beginning of time has concluded we can't fix the world or even completely fix ourselves, but we can usually make a few changes to ourselves to better adapt to the world and thus be happier. Do you feel a calling to get involved in politics, so as to change the situation between men and women in the west, and think you world be happier being involved in politics? If so, get involved. That would constitute a minor change to yourself and thus be approved by philosophers. Is complaining on this forum making you happy? If so, complain away. Otherwise, look for whichever change you can make, compared to what your are doing now, that will make you happier. That is the best any human can do.

[Professor When]

(11-26-2018 01:59 PM)Jefferson Wrote:  

(11-26-2018 12:44 PM)Professor When Wrote:  

It goes deeper than just approaches and women being bitchy with inflated egos. It goes right down to the core of indoctrination through schools and adults telling children how the world works. Most of it can be boiled down to "girls are special, boys are trash." It's about boys being raised believing that they are wrong, that they are the enemy.

It took me a long time to realize that I had a support system from my father, but most boys don't have even that. Many boys are either the products of single mothers (I think we're up to 40% in the US) or they have spineless fathers that make them equally spineless. I learned in my early childhood that any risk I take is met with disapproval and failure. It was hard to overcome that mindset, especially since that is the reality for me when dealing with women.

Sure, whining isn't going to help, but it is the first step in acknowledging that things are fucked up. There's a difference between saying that things are bad, here's how you adapt vs. telling him it's all his fault for his negativity.

It's good you are looking at the deeper causes of failure. However, it would be more useful to look at the causes of failure within yourself because you will never be able to change society but you can change yourself. You're an adult now, the indoctrination in schools when you were small should not matter, if you are an adult you can make up your own mind, you are no longer controlled by school. Yes, this world makes it a lot easier for women, it's true, it's unfair, but the only thing you can change is you. Sure, it's hard. Very hard. Ultimately, if you fail though it is your fault, because you made the wrong choices. Not schools. Not society, not an absent father. It's you. Nobody is responsible for you but yourself.

This is very true and the reason I still do stay at this forum. Personally, this forum and game in general came as a secondary step; I had already started getting my shit together when I decided that I wanted to be more successful with women.

My point is that we need to be patient with guys like the OP pointed out. I'm not so far gone that I do not see how I could have easily been this guy. I know it seems like the same problems over and over, so the responses become accusatory and harsh, but these are new people encountering the same problems. Given their state, they are very likely to become adversarial and it is easy to fall into the trap of responding to the guy with the same aggression.

"Nobody is responsible for you but yourself" - that's completely true. But at the same time, it's not all his fault. That's the lesson that needs to be passed on. You wouldn't blame an abused dog for being aggressive or scared, you'd help it to become normalized again.

(11-26-2018 02:22 PM)Kamikaze Wrote:  

A woman being receptive to you is a big part, and you are on your way in that department.

But I would say what you think is "curiosity" is not the curiosity I mean. It's the curiosity to want to understand the female mind, and when you say they "disgust you," it's not a stretch to extrapolate you are not curious about the female mind.

Asking someone "so tell me about yourself" or "tell me what you like" is a good way to get answers you don't care about hearing. Ask them what you want to know. I like to know who they are, where they're from, what makes them tick, WHY are they this way, etc. Everyone has a past, dreams and desires. Talk about those, not netflix.

The junk food analogy has been made before, but with regards to lower quality girls who aren't necessarily boring, but below par physically. I figured out very early in my gaming days that indeed, junk food kills. I hated finishing a bang with some girl I was not into, and felt like I was wasting my time. Although looking back that practice was still necessary.

You need to have the emotional impetus to go on this journey of discovering this girl. If you don't have the impetus, you're not going to care about figuring her out, and even if you do, nothing will save the interaction.

You seem to be preoccupied with the typical catchphrases women and feminists use to make men feel awkward and evil. It seems to affect you a lot. Especially creep and inappropriate. As Patrice said, "inappropriate is a female word." Part of game is taking stuff in stride and always keeping your own personal "mental structure," or "frame" to use PUA jargon, intact. Women who use these words are testing you. It's part of the puzzle. If these words frazzle you, you've lost. But truthfully, I have never heard these words being directed at me. As Scorpion said, something about your presentation is triggering these alarm bells, and you have to figure that out.

Game is called "game" for a reason. Some of us have to play on a harder difficulty level than others, such is life. It seems to me you are still struggling in that first level, accepting the reality that you will have to work harder than others, and expending valuable energy feeling sorry for yourself.

One of my favorite things to talk about with women, (after lots and lots of sex of course) is how I was born completely average. I'm 5'10", brown-ish, average build (but above average physique and athleticism due to training), average looks, balding, average career, average intellect, average dick, pretty much average everything.

Anything I get for myself, I worked for it. I WANT a girl to just say 'Meh, he looks alright.' That's right b, and you still gargled my nuts. That means I fucking earned that pussy, and everything else of note that comes my way.

Fine. You've got step 1. Game is hard and shit is stacked against you. When are you going to move to step 2?

Don't let Incel Jesus 1000 and his flawed experiences keep you in step 1. He hasn't taught us anything we don't know.

This is very much the reason why I am putting game on the back burner. I'm not so desperate for sex that I am willing to put effort into those "junk food" women. So far I've lost 200lbs. Another 80 and I'll be at my target weight. At that point I will be in a much better state to have women actually talk to me.

[PremiumBeefCut]

Won't even bother to listen to the recordings

[Jefferson]

(11-26-2018 02:35 PM)Professor When Wrote:  

So far I've lost 200lbs. Another 80 and I'll be at my target weight. At that point I will be in a much better state to have women actually talk to me.

Great job. It will happen. You get it.

(11-26-2018 01:59 PM)Jefferson Wrote:  

My point is that we need to be patient with guys like the OP pointed out. I'm not so far gone that I do not see how I could have easily been this guy. I know it seems like the same problems over and over, so the responses become accusatory and harsh, but these are new people encountering the same problems. Given their state, they are very likely to become adversarial and it is easy to fall into the trap of responding to the guy with the same aggression.

"Nobody is responsible for you but yourself" - that's completely true. But at the same time, it's not all his fault. That's the lesson that needs to be passed on. You wouldn't blame an abused dog for being aggressive or scared, you'd help it to become normalized again.

No, it's his fault, because he could always do that which he needs to do to get what he wants. He could figure it out, then do what has to be done. But he's not doing it.

You're doing it, you lost an amazing amount of weight. You get it. This guy does not.

Unlike an abused dog, a man has the wonderful gift of reason. He can analyse his situation and then take the actions he needs to take to achieve his goal.

If your goal is to go to bed with women, obviously this guy has failed spectacularly, DESPITE the fact he is doing something right, namely approaching many times over. He's just not understood what he needs to do to do it successfully. That's his fault.

Rather than be patient with him I really want to kick him up his ass and tell him to do it right, but it would probably be useless.