[Vincent Chase]

(02-10-2019 02:57 PM)sarcofago Wrote:  

(02-10-2019 02:21 PM)Lino Wrote:  

You’re really hilarious ?

I'm just trying to be a useful person and a useful contributor. Roosh has changed my life and I'm trying to help him educate sexually his readers. Go read my latest thread 'Masturbate twice before a first date' and thank me later.

That was indeed another great troll post by you.

Well done.

[N°6]

Sounds like Instagram, SA, Tinder and Bumble have given average women complete (and inflated) price discovery.

Sounds like men on decent wages in London should buy extra days of annual leave and use Gatwick, Stansted or Heathrow a few times per year.

However London has more women under 30 than men under 30, which is exceptional in England.

[Acquire]

London, London, London.

I could write essays on this place and its potential, and how very often it misses the mark. I have been reading this thread for a while now, and back when I started I was about 19 years old. Now, I'm 21, and I have had a bit more experience with game and life.

I still have plenty to learn, which is part of why I have spent so much time lurking rather than posting, but here, in this particular thread, I think I may be able to provide some useful insights.

I have lived in London my entire life. I have barely left the country, and don't worry, that's right up there on my priorities. To be honest, even seeing other bits of the UK would be great, because the small amount of time I have spent in other towns and cities has been proof enough of just how lacking London and its contemporary natives can be.

I could talk about pretty much any aspect of game in regards to this city, but I'll just to say to you guys who have been dismissing the city, that you're not foolish for doing so. Going to other countries sounds like the best way forward, and perhaps the most efficient thing to do. As someone said in a previous post, nearly everything good about London is foreign.

I do love this city in my own way, and I do think it has a lot of potential. But with feminism, gynocentrism, and plenty of other diseases we all know about, there's no reason why you should stay here and put up with the nonsense.

I agree with most of what giama is saying. As someone actually from this city, I can tell you he is giving perhaps the most accurate information, albiet with a tinge of salt, but that's to be expected. Almost every post of his I've read about the UK/London I've found myself nodding to. I like to be as objective about a situation as possible and not get all in my feelings about things, but the truth is this city is not the place for if you want local girls.

I could point out loads of strange things most people wouldn't think of, as indicators/explanations for the sexual marketplace, or the openness of the people.

But since this is my first post, I'll just tell a little story.

From the age of 16 I spent a lot of time watching pickup videos. A LOT of time. It all began with the American material, but my GF (yes, girlfriend), would sometimes watch them with me, and asked me, "How comes you don't ever see these guys do this here." And I thought, "yeah... that's a fair point". But to be honest, I had never really thought to look.

So, then I looked.

Naturally, I came across Torero, Krauser, Street Attraction, and many others, and I began to see that Daygame was much more prevalent here than nightgame seemed to be, at least in terms of actual pickup content. That alone was an interesting distinciton. But the more I watched, the more I realised that many of these supposed pickups didn't seem like they would lead to anything.

I started going out and practicing game, and I started to understand what different types of interactions would generally lead to. I could spot the little signs much easier (and tbh, I was good at it with very little experience, because I have very good intuition).

So, I started to realise a lot of the content online wasn't actually all that great, because much of it was way too edited, or too much smoke and mirrors. Now, arguably, the entire PUA scene is like this anyway, but it bothered me that it even happened here in London.

Still, it was inspiring to see that it was possible and that at the very least, there were guys here trying their luck.

Now, here's the point where everything started to change for me, and my little honeymoon phase with game began to end.

I noticed something, and my girlfriend (astute as ever) also noticed this, and made a point of it. These London daygamers seemed to only be capable of picking up girls who were foreign.

Okay, so the argument comes in that they only like a certain look, and that it just tends to be euro girls who fit the bill. Also, couple it with the fact they tend to game in central London and tourists areas, and of course, they know that those types of girls will generally be easier to sleep with. Okay, I get all that, it makes sense.

BUT.

Why was it that almost NOBODY could post an infield of anything else? Why was it that British guys in Britain's capital, could not CLOSE their own women? I'm not talking about numbers, but even then, there's a scarce amount of infields of guys getting numbers that I would actually believe are genuinely solid.

Some of this forum have addressed the whole "can you daygame british girls" thing in another thread from a few years back. Now, yes people have done it. Maybe some of you have even done it. But I'd be questioning the quality of those girls for sure, as well as how well connected they were.

But here's one of the key observations I've made about London, one that has lead me to believe that for as much as I love this city, the locals are perhaps some of the hardest in the world to actually game without a social circle, assuming you're interested in them.

Some Americans argue that their women are no good. I would agree. However, I can see plenty of infields of different types of American guys picking up different types of American women. I read plenty of lay reports from all types of American guys sleeping with all types of American women (and in an array of situations).

Now, the common argument I would hear against my point about London locals is: "every girl is harder in her home city." I agree. But their level of difficulty is ridiculous.

Consider this: All you guys who go abroad have managed to bang locals girls in the counties you've gone to right? Including North America. But how many guys come to London and bang girls born and raised in London who are actually attractive (tbh I'd say any looks level, but I'm sure that's a bit more manageable).

Even guys from other bits of the UK who I know slay it with chicks in other parts of England will say that London girls are ridiculously rude and all-around difficult.

If you want to achieve anything with any hot girls raised here, you'll almost certainly need to be in the social circles that will allow you that, and even then you'll need to be essentially their type, or around longer than the competition.

London is essentially a social circle city if you want to get with the locals. That's why my guy earlier was saying he had more success when he was younger and going to house parties. Even foreign girls who come here say that Londoners are cold and they can't connect or befriend them.

There are exceptions, of course.

My girlfriend who I've mentioned here is mixed-race and I'd argue she's an 9 or 8.5 (for some) in looks, and a 10 for personality. It helps massively that her white half is EE and not British. Which means she has a bit of UK culture, but many of the values from the traditional African or EE countries.

So, to you guys' points earlier about mixed girls, yes they typically are jarring, but I managed to find a gem and a half. And guess how? Social circle.

I'll just throw out a quick query for you lot: How many of you have ever met with a girl from London off of a dating app, let alone it actually resulting in anything? If you have, how hot was she and was she under 25?

I'll leave it there for now.

[giama]

Well analysed and well put Acquire. Totally agree.

Social Circle does help with these 23 y/o 8s for sure, being IN with the IN Crowd can help with the 8s, as they have literally limitless amount of thirsty guys and they need to find ways to filter out. It can be the difference between her thinking your a creep or flaking and her co operating.

and yeh im 33, so i have been dealing with london girls for 19 years since 2000 and i know this city very well having been born and lived here my whole life.

I will be first to say im not a social circle player, i notched 100 counts by being the lone wolf, small circle, not in with the in crowd. I couldnt care less about it, but women are largely impressionable and being popular makes you more attractive.

Going to make further comments later on as interesting angle

[Acquire]

Yeah, I'm not much of a social circle person either. I've only been part of it because of my age and so I just naturally end up in those situations. Like if you go to university, you'll usually end up talking to this or that person, or put in some group chat, and then even if you're not involved, you end up hearing about a party going on here or there. Things that if you're outside of that, you don't usually hear about.

But the thing is, there is a silver lining to all this, which is that I personally don't think the competition is actually that strong. It's just that the access, image and social status the girls require of you is the problem for many guys. I have the image, and so I get a lot of interest from girls, but I don't entirely have the personality to match it, and that's where I end up with issues.

Also wanting to be a lone wolf with this stuff, is why many of us types end up with the foreign girls (who are arguably better anyway). But for someone who wants to try and bang that basic chick from Clapham, or the little posh totty from Mayfair, things become very difficult if you don't understand the stuff being discussed here, unless you fit the requirements anyway just by chance.

And by the way, I'm fully aware many of this is applicable to most parts of the world, especially the west.

However, as stated in my first post, in places like America, say NYC for example, no matter how cold you may think the chicks are there, you can still get a decent NYC girl in NYC easier than you could get an alright London girl in London PURELY through daygame/nightgame (zero social circle and minimal status conveyed), simply because Americans tend to have this openness that UK (and particularly London) people don't usually have at all. I would love to expand on why I think this later, but it's basically related to how much they travel and the weather.

There's other bits of the culture too that lead to this, but those two are ones I don't think many people would nod to.

Maybe someone else will figure out my point before I even get to it.

[giama]

One thing i noticed about America, as money hungry as a section of the women there are, when a regular woman likes you they let you know.
Ive had standout incidents with american women
1)black chic invited me back to hers, (just like a dude would), smashed that night
2) black chic said were fucking tonight. (we didnt in end she got too drunk)
3) black american cleaner, to be honest she wasnt bangable, she said 'damnnn, they dont make like that around here, gud lawdd (in a loud black amercian womans voice) It was funny, black americans have a openness and humour that black and mixed brits dont have.

They are bold. Been to vegas x3 times and Miami x2.

Another thing i found interesting about the USA is a female 8 will open dialogue in the same way a dude would to a dude.(on a friend tip/NON SEXUAL) They may ask for directions or where this club is, or the bathroom or whatever. There happy to talk general chit chat.

In London a lot of the 8s will never ever open dialogue, or hold any form of chit chat. ZERO openness. they wont even look at you unless they fancy you. American mixed/black girls have some humour and can hold banter. UK mixed/ black girls hold no banter. (unless they like ya)
When a London girl fancys you the doors do open, but if they dont fancy you your an alien to them.

So Aquire i understand what you mean, i am also very observant thats the basis of my game, and i can see your extremely observant with dynamics

There is a british/london reservedness mixed with rudeness that creates a bad mix.

Things ive noticed about home grown london women.
south london women are friendlier and more hospitable then women north of the river. Ive spent many nights in south london being cooked for and pampered by attractive girls from south. There also easier to smash.

East London girls are rotten, in 20 years of dating in london, i can count maybe 2 or 3 girls from east that have been good chics. Most are Entitled, non feminine, rude. My look/vibe obviously doesnt go down great in East, im probably to clean cut. No thug vibe

West girls have a different vibe, good looking girls (white, black, mixed), classier, speak well, fashionable. Have to be on top of your game, never mastered the the west london girls tbh. Ladbroke Grove, Shepherds Bush etc

[worldtraveler3]

"south london women are friendlier and more hospitable then women north of the river."

Very correct.

[giama]

@world traveler

Ive notice this phenomena with black women. Wanted to know have you noticed this with other races?

Not sure if its a all race thing or a black female thing. i have so many great memorys in south with 6,7s and 8s with there own house. Who have hosted great evenings and ive driven back over tower bridge with a big smile on my face. My friend who is 35 has exactly the same experience. South girls are always down to get fucked. Not sure the exact reason but very noticeable different over 20 years

Never had 1 east girl do anything nice for me really in 2 decades and im around east girls all the time, east i think is actually even worse for guys, anything decent in east i find flakes, or is just indifferent. Not enough female competition

[khalidkcl]

London is probably one of the toughest cities to bang/game. As a Londoner for almost all my life, I've noticed a decline in the dating scene since the arrival of tinder. I've seen girls in clubs sitting and swiping on tinder wtf.

My game is intermediate level so I do have some success but when i travel, I bang way more than I do in London with the same effort. Also, I tend to work a lot of hours (50 hours) which hampers my game. I just found the girls here have too many options.

A 6 that I banged a few times from tinder told me that she can replace me easily after we had a disagreement. She sent me a photo of her tinder match list showing 900 matches and many guys she hasn't even replied to. I replied telling her she was entitled and average... got blocked haha but these girls need someone to put them in their place.

Day game is deffo way better in London if you can handle it. Just make it a part of your daily routine and it doesn't have to become a chore. I tend to drink coffee a lot so on my way to coffee shops if I spot a cute girl I will strike up a convo. Got 2 bangs (both a 7) from this since I started doing it. One of them I still see every other week.

When I set up an experimental female tinder account I got 400+ matches waiting in 1 hour. By the end of the day, tinder was showing 1000 matches. The photo I used was a female 6... that's heavily insane. I also analysed the type of messages guys send so that it could help me form better messages and stand out when I match with women. 99% guys say something along the lines of "hey, what's up" and when you look at this from a female point of view on tinder, jt doesn't stand out especially if she is already entitled from tinder guys complimenting her.

The competition is very high because many guys including myself and friends of mine have well paying jobs (60k or above), work out and some confidence. London is doable for sure but it takes time and effort.

I would recommend London guys to travel as this can improve your aura and confidence. I got more bangs in London when I started to travel and bangwomen from other countries. This helped reduce my desire for women here so it made me more calmer in escalating and gave me a 'i don't give a fuck attitude'.

Overall, London is a good city to improve your game. It's very much a sink or swim city so if you can have even some success here, you will do well in most other countries.

[giama]

@khalid yeh its crazy, there is about 3-5% of girls that are 6-8 that are naturally submissive and dont let social media get to their head they are almost extinct though in London. Some of the 28-33 year olds naturally start submitting more as their options decrease. but they're past their best.

My Eritrean 7.5 is mid twenties and she isnt like these london girls. Naturally feminine and submissiveness.

Im off to Ethiopia in 3 weeks and i can already see how submissive and co operative the 6.5s and 7s are, all early 20s.

Will be looking for 7.5s and 8+s when i land.

My life will consist of travelling to Ethiopia, Colombia, Dominican Republic, Brazil rinse repeat and ill likely settle down/have kids with a 8 from one of these countries when i decide to which isnt any time soon. In London i just smash who gives me play, but i never chase.

[Que enspastic]

If you’re a hot 8+ native Londoner chick :

Firstly, you probably look down on anyone not also born and bred in terms of your female competition, classic English superiority trait.

Secondly, you probably care about finding somewhere secure and nice to live in London (normal for a hot girl to want this) which means trendy inner city West/North/South or hipster East but definitely not outlying areas beyond Zone 3 where it’s either an ethnic enclave or chavland. Following from that, you need a guy with a house there or ability to buy a house there.

Thirdly, a guy with a good salary is not going to get you that. Ask someone in London what is a good salary and they will probably say £50-60k. That’s not enough when these houses are £700k+. Therefore even guys with good salaries can’t actually offer her anything. I’m in Thailand and even the driver owns his own place on 25k THB per month. But in London, even top 5% earners can’t afford to live in top 50% London postcodes

Fourthly, earning a six figure salary in London in your 20s is hard, it’s not San Francisco for wages. However, there are people with this money, many foreign elites or famous or generationally wealthy

What this means is that most guys fall massively short of a native Londoner girl’s expectations. She doesn’t want to have to move out of London her hometown if she dates you and it gets serious and long term, rather just aggressively screen you out from the outset.

On the other hand, guys don’t need to put up with this as it’s not a great deal for them either. That’s why we focus on foreigners who are hotter, nicer with more reasonable expectations

[Unkown_Killa]

And there was me thinking that this place couldn't sink any lower...

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-...l-kingsley

[waughcraft]

Just to add a little salt to the injury of this thread, Brexit will kill a London dude's opportunities to get EU girls

I totally understand why some people voted for Brexit (due to low income jobs being 'stolen' by EU workers leading to suppressed wages for years + decline of the white English working class),

BUT it will also kill a London guy's chances of getting girls. We used to import a lot of EU citizens, now they're already leaving even before the end of freedom of movement.

I was restarting tiny bit of daygaming recently in Central London after my winter break, and I definitely talked to fewer EU girls

I know I'm biased against Brexit, but some highpaying industries like finance or management consultancy will offshore London workers to the EU due to lack of passporting rights. I work in one of the highpaying industries so I've already seen a slowdown in hiring.

Also, it makes you harder to migrate to the EU/Switzerland/Norway in the future as freedom of movement will end.

For example, Switzerland offers higher disposable income than the UK for almost every job. Sure, things are expensive, but taxes are lower and rent is same as London, and you don't have to deal with crime-ridden no-go zones in London...

Back to the main point, Brexit will only make a London dude's competition for women even stiffer...


In short, Brexit ---> Hell for single London dude

[Kieran]

I don't think it will make much difference. Most Londoners aren't too interested in Eastern European women. That's just a manosphere thing.

[SaintLaurentJake]

(02-18-2019 04:51 PM)waughcraft Wrote:  

Just to add a little salt to the injury of this thread, Brexit will kill a London dude's opportunities to get EU girls

I totally understand why some people voted for Brexit (due to low income jobs being 'stolen' by EU workers leading to suppressed wages for years + decline of the white English working class),

BUT it will also kill a London guy's chances of getting girls. We used to import a lot of EU citizens, now they're already leaving even before the end of freedom of movement.

I was restarting tiny bit of daygaming recently in Central London after my winter break, and I definitely talked to fewer EU girls

I know I'm biased against Brexit, but some highpaying industries like finance or management consultancy will offshore London workers to the EU due to lack of passporting rights. I work in one of the highpaying industries so I've already seen a slowdown in hiring.

Also, it makes you harder to migrate to the EU/Switzerland/Norway in the future as freedom of movement will end.

For example, Switzerland offers higher disposable income than the UK for almost every job. Sure, things are expensive, but taxes are lower and rent is same as London, and you don't have to deal with crime-ridden no-go zones in London...

Back to the main point, Brexit will only make a London dude's competition for women even stiffer...


In short, Brexit ---> Hell for single London dude

Have you tried gaming international students from the metro colleges ( Kings College, UCL, City University etc).

[waughcraft]

(02-21-2019 02:51 AM)SaintLaurentJake Wrote:  

(02-18-2019 04:51 PM)waughcraft Wrote:  

Just to add a little salt to the injury of this thread, Brexit will kill a London dude's opportunities to get EU girls

I totally understand why some people voted for Brexit (due to low income jobs being 'stolen' by EU workers leading to suppressed wages for years + decline of the white English working class),

BUT it will also kill a London guy's chances of getting girls. We used to import a lot of EU citizens, now they're already leaving even before the end of freedom of movement.

I was restarting tiny bit of daygaming recently in Central London after my winter break, and I definitely talked to fewer EU girls

I know I'm biased against Brexit, but some highpaying industries like finance or management consultancy will offshore London workers to the EU due to lack of passporting rights. I work in one of the highpaying industries so I've already seen a slowdown in hiring.

Also, it makes you harder to migrate to the EU/Switzerland/Norway in the future as freedom of movement will end.

For example, Switzerland offers higher disposable income than the UK for almost every job. Sure, things are expensive, but taxes are lower and rent is same as London, and you don't have to deal with crime-ridden no-go zones in London...

Back to the main point, Brexit will only make a London dude's competition for women even stiffer...


In short, Brexit ---> Hell for single London dude

Have you tried gaming international students from the metro colleges ( Kings College, UCL, City University etc).

Yeah, I found my game works better with international students than domestic ones...

Oh, and with Brexit we're ending Erasmus student exchange agreement with other EU countries lol

[giama]

Regarding domestic students (London rasied students) Yeh not a good option. Putting my game hat on and going back in time. I personally had much better success with 7s and 8s that have full time jobs as oppose to students.

When i was college / uni age women had unlimited orbitters, big social circles and had unlimited time to waste, attention seekers, and social status played a part also being the popular college kids. They also havent developed any ability to recognise a good man.

When women are 26-29 and are building careers, and have there own place and dont go out every weekend, they develope somewhat of a maturity, they have rent to pay and limited time to waste. Theres a big difference mentally between a woman that lives alone and pays her rent as oppose to acting like a teenager/princess living at her mum and dads house, in London find the mature minded young chics. if shes attractive, got a full time job and her own place i respect that. also By this time these women have lost a lot of that big social college circle that keeps them immature.

My screening is really really good now, i am now mature enough to pass up attractive women if the attitude is not submissive and feminine. I have a high conversion rate due to this. I see red flags quicker, (lets be honest a lot of times we ignore them or excuse them in a fine female, and i still with 8+s).

It was very hard for me to not pursue women i was physically attracted to before due to scarcity mindset, I would get desperate due to lack of female competition, lack of available 7+s, This use to put me on the backfoot in London and the girl would have the control.

I have an abundance mindset now.

Based on my personal preference, I now have access to:
Colombia 25million female population
Ethiopia 50 million female population
Brazil 105 million female population
Dominican Repubic 5 million female population
And there are plenty of other pussy paradises that contain my type too.

of that 185 million females, about 40 million are gonna between the age of 18-30
Lets say 20% of those are above a 7, that leaves me with about 8 million 7+s to pretty much choose from, who are going to be feminine, submissive, cook, clean. Serve you.

In London theres 4 million women, 800k are suitable age, id say 10% (being generous) are 7+ leaves 80k of women above a 7.

When i take away women who i dont have a vested interest in, not ideal suitors, due to cultural differences, vice or versa.
I.e oriental, Asian, White, etc,
I would hazard a guess it leaves about 10,000 women above a 7, now take away the mums, lesbians, IG thots, strippers, high end escorts, girls who expect rich guys. I would say it leaves about 4,000 7+ suitable available london women.

Lastly you have to allow for type, women in london are picky, you can be too dark, too light, too big, too short. they will find a reason to filter you out cos they can. Lets say for argument sake half's it (this will depend on your look, so do your own maths a male 10 will grab most of the 4,000) but for the purpose of example lets say 2,000 7+ suitable women that will actually give you time of day.

So any guy that has a genuine black or mixed 7+ in London literally has one of the 4,000 7+ maximum pool available. If your into white girls its probably a different breakdown there will be more options but more competition. This maths i feel supports why im so pro travel.

There is 4,000 7+ of my type at any given time that fit my bill and if i smash 2 or 3 in a year i have done extremely well. A lot of guys are starving. Ive probably smashed about 30 London 7+s in 15 years, some girls stay 7+ for years, some drop out after 5 years or have kids.

forget the out of shape wannabe dimes who are really 5s behaving like 10s, ignore those, there really is only about 4,000 girls in london worth shit looks wise (if you include white/asian girls maybe raise it to 20,000) I can play that game but it feels like a lottery to me.


This is the maths that completely kills the london game for me in terms of LTR or settling down. On top of that the foreign girls look better due to better weather, better diet and lifestyle and genetics.


Having said that I recently got a new very hot black 18 year old from south London. Head turner. Great body, great face. highly feminine, submissive. enjoys pleasing.

South London has a lot of black gems way way better then the east London black chics. (East is proper depressing wasteland for chics) I remember back in 2012 and they were showing the olympics on the big screen in victoria park (Hackney) me and friends went expecting a great day out with lots of chics, did not see one chic over a 6, it was remarkable to have that amount of population and no 6.5s+ me and my friend both observed the same really bad talent pool. There amount of hipsters in hackney is filling the place with a lot of 4s,5s and 6s which are invisible to me.

When you see feminine women in other countries it makes you more selective in dealing with London raised women. I recommend guys spend as much time as possible in countries where women as submissive it will literally change your life for the better. A lot of guys getting depressed and worse due to having no knowledge of how good it is for men in certain countries in this globe.

London, Dubai, Vegas, Miami, NYC etc, is for rich men and beautiful women.
Medellin, D.R, Rio is where the regular guy goes to feel like a movie star

[giama]

i need to expand on the maths

London female population 4 million
Estimate aged between 18-30 (20%) 800,000
Estimated above a 7+ (10%) 80,000
Filter by racial preference see below

London Demographics as of 2011
White British 44%
Other White 14%
African 7%
Indian 7%
Mixed 5%
Other Asian 5%
Carribean 4%
Other Ethnic 3.5%
Pakistani 3%
Bengali 3%
Other Black 2%

wow 1 in 4 of londoners are asian,
pakistani, bengali, other asian, indian, comes to about 23% , asians are largely out of bounds for most londoners.

My pref black, mixed, african comes to 16%

leaves 12,800

You do the maths for prefered races, 800,000 * 0.__ will tell you the approx pool of available 7s to you

carrying on, now take away mums, married, in relationships, lesbians, escorts, strippers, Entitled princesses, Super IG thots

for me leaves perhaps 4,000 7+ black or mixed 18-30 yo

Thats the maximum pool for a guy into black or mixed girls in London, thats why thirst levels are high.

Supply and Demand and economy dictates a lot

Its like the control of supply of diamonds the price stays high.

of the 12,800 (thats the number that includes thots, IG chics, girls in relationships currently now etc)

Ive probably smashed about 30-40 of girls in that club in last 15 years. that 12,800 club obviously has new entrants and long term stayers, and leavers as time goes. there are girls that i know who have been 8s from the ages of 18 to 25 who are not gonna fall off anytime soon

I can fully understand why in london the market is tough.


Bottom line Factors that cause the bad market
*25% of population is asian, honour killings, strict muslims, this lowers the supply of pussy, if overnight asians were replaced with a more sexually open race i.e latinas the supply of pussy would be more abundant. Effectively 25% of the female population are out of bounds, and yes i know asian girls have their fun, and you can smash but its extremely low key to the point where i dont even count them in the dating market, but ofcourse some may want to add them to the market, i dont mess with them though. They have curfews and have to report to their dads, im not involved. And the asian dudes i imagine are still trying to smash other races, but i dont know how they get down or how succesful they are with that. Im not an economist but im sure asians in the london population has a underappreciated effect on the sexual market. Im sure we are worse of due to it as guys

*a lot of money is concentrated in london, men are the real money makers and entrepreneurs and deal makers. nigerian money, arab money, canary wharf money. They have access to a lot of the top women if they want

*IG, there are 6s with 20,000 followers in London, but in brazil or d.r there will be a 8 with 4,000 followers, social media in western society is spoiling it for guys who are not in the top 10%.

*Poor percentage of overall 7s+, i estimated 10%, this does vary by borough, and race. I dont think im being too harsh in saying 10%

*Native female population is not attractive for the most part, british women are clowned for not being a good looking . I didnt know 1 hot white girl in London growing up which is crazy to think, I grew up in an urban borough though, so there wasnt really much around. there 44% of population, maybe a bit less now so this underpins the market as its still the biggest demographic although decreasing.

on a side note there are some hot english girls with amazing bodies i have been seeing around London of more recent years, seems like there is a section of white girls that are doing the gym and eating correctly, not sure if these are londoners or transplants from the surrounding counties. There putting some black girls to shame with the bodies.

*Hipsters, hipsters dont really get better then a 6. There is countless hipsters in the 4-6 range, there not feminine or classy. Plain and annoying. Zero sex appeal. there not bringing good to the dating market. I question their hygiene and i dont think they eat the type of food needed to look good. they look malnourished /skinny fat a lot of times.

*lack of female gym culture, this is more of a sign of lack of competition then a reason, women dont really need to work out to stand out.
Guys are getting in really good shape, competing for 5s and 6s, a lot of guys are hostile, which is a sign of bad environment, lack of options. Its impossible to be angry in a pussy paradise (try doing it lol), but very easy to be angry in a place were good looking woman are hard to obtain.

*weather, no incentive to have a gym toned body in a female and regardless she is still going to get good quality guys with a skinny fat body

* a large portion of men in london are beta, its a beta culture filled with feminism. its opposite of latin culture. And there is a lack of real men here. guys will use knives as oppose to a straight fist fight or talk it out. if you use a knife in a fight your a bitch automatically. There is no man code. There is no man to man discussions. a lot of emotional bitch made men and it goes for a lot of races here.


* due to all these factors london women have a abundance mindset, they can next you like its nothing, with no regret. They dont fear the men or have respect for 90% of men. I love latin america because women respect the men, thats been lost in the UK and the USA

*

Might think of a few points later but these are the factors i believe causing issues, its all boils down to supply and demand and mathematics

[thedarkknight]

Yeah mate.

South Asians in london? No go area even for white boys, even for their own men. Risky business and defo a reason why the market is so competitive .


TDK

[Kieran]

Yeah South has got some good girls. I used to go to Brixton Splash before they stopped it and it was even better than carnival for meeting girls.

[thedarkknight]

Am in London the next few days.

Quite a few nice African chicks out here.

Defo noticed big increase in African population in the last decade. I rarely see Caribbean chicks.

TDK

[rudebwoy]

You forgot the girls from Eastern Europe, that is a huge demographic. This was my main dating pool when I lived there and I hear there numbers have increased.

Sure Latin America has women, sadly that is all it has.

[giama]

also touching on inter racial dating which im sure is more prominent now

you have to take into consideration hip hop culture, its become pop culture. It will effect the dating market like it or not in London.
teenage year old girls that previously would have been dancing to s-club 7 and spice girls are now into kylie jenner and travis scott, Their dads probably are concerned that the curiousity has probably already started. girls and women are VERY VERY impressionable, they go to whatevers popular, we go to what we like.

The black darker skinned man is what a lot of the woman are chasing. They were probably under appreciated for 20 years so the levels are maybe perhaps more balanced. The media pushed light skinned men as more commercially acceptable.

Im a light skin black guy so im going to speak about it unbiasedly.

The most influential people for these white girls is the Kardashian/Jenner family. They all choose black men to be with.

Light skin black dudes in London have even had to swallow a decline in SMV in the market. 20 years ago light skinned dudes were getting a 20% boast in SMV, There was a lot of prominent light skin guys in US and UK media that made it easy for us guys. Sort of like how in the 80s blondes were the shit, but now brunettes are the favoured choice.

A lot of mixed and black women will also openly state a preference for dark skinned black men over lighter skinned black men. Its seen as more alpha. They have the options and confidence to be choosy.

A lot of girls are going to do what the media tells them too.

Top notch london black and mixed girls do not really date outside of their race. Generally the black /mixed women with white guys are not the top notch girls us black guys want.

There was a time when black guys were probably taking the scraps of the white community, but now i imagine a lot of white guys are noticing some of the top notch chics have switched to dating black guys, (i am speculating i do not know or pay attention to that side of market as im not a white guy). Or perhaps its a type of white top notch white girl that dates black guys.

the transition from pop culture to hip hop culture surely has shifted things for some people.

[thedarkknight]

(02-24-2019 11:22 AM)giama Wrote:  

also touching on inter racial dating which im sure is more prominent now

you have to take into consideration hip hop culture, its become pop culture. It will effect the dating market like it or not in London.
teenage year old girls that previously would have been dancing to s-club 7 and spice girls are now into kylie jenner and travis scott, Their dads probably are concerned that the curiousity has probably already started. girls and women are VERY VERY impressionable, they go to whatevers popular, we go to what we like.

The black darker skinned man is what a lot of the woman are chasing. They were probably under appreciated for 20 years so the levels are maybe perhaps more balanced. The media pushed light skinned men as more commercially acceptable.

Im a light skin black guy so im going to speak about it unbiasedly.

The most influential people for these white girls is the Kardashian/Jenner family. They all choose black men to be with.

Light skin black dudes in London have even had to swallow a decline in SMV in the market. 20 years ago light skinned dudes were getting a 20% boast in SMV, There was a lot of prominent light skin guys in US and UK media that made it easy for us guys. Sort of like how in the 80s blondes were the shit, but now brunettes are the favoured choice.

A lot of mixed and black women will also openly state a preference for dark skinned black men over lighter skinned black men. Its seen as more alpha. They have the options and confidence to be choosy.

A lot of girls are going to do what the media tells them too.

Top notch london black and mixed girls do not really date outside of their race. Generally the black /mixed women with white guys are not the top notch girls us black guys want.

There was a time when black guys were probably taking the scraps of the white community, but now i imagine a lot of white guys are noticing some of the top notch chics have switched to dating black guys, (i am speculating i do not know or pay attention to that side of market as im not a white guy). Or perhaps its a type of white top notch white girl that dates black guys.

the transition from pop culture to hip hop culture surely has shifted things for some people.

I was impressed. Had an African dinner last night. Everyone was dating black.

Africans do not race mix anywhere near the levels of West Indians .Actually, the West Indian women who didn’t go for white dudes run to Nigerians lol.

TDK

[giama]

(02-24-2019 11:19 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

You forgot the girls from Eastern Europe, that is a huge demographic. This was my main dating pool when I lived there and I hear there numbers have increased.

Sure Latin America has women, sadly that is all it has.

That would be in the White (non british) 14% and yeh it would have gone up since 2011

I have spoke with some black guys that share your opinion on EE chics, its like there main pool, not sure if there tindering or chatting them up. i did notice indicators of interest when i was working out from some EE's but im in east London which is the poorest talent pool, these girls were like 5.5s , not even going to register on my radar or make me try.

I did go on 3 or 4 dates with a bulgarian chic with an great body, amazing tits, a year or so back. but she cut it off.

Im definitely open to a Eastern european chic but only if shes a 7+ with a great body, great tits, or ass something to keep me entertained.

When i go white or Eastern Europe i tend to be very picky. The girl is going to have to have a body like demi rose mawby and be non cold for me to spend £60 on dinner. Which is why i have zero action on that front LOL.

Where did you tend to meet these EE chics?