[Insignia]

(11-11-2011 12:59 AM)BC101 Wrote:  

(11-10-2011 03:01 PM)Insignia Wrote:  

Yea Toronto women might be "cold" or "bitches" but gaming here has taught me how to be more alpha, confident and more centered as a man. So even though I hate Toronto I love it at the same time. It is a challange to game in Toronto but I love it, everytime I go out and game, I am thrilled to take on the challange. The one huge plus in gaming in Toronto is your game will improve immensly.

You have a excellent point but sometimes shit just isn't worth it. In my experience hahaha. Especially when iam not out gaming, iam just out trying to have fun. These bitches have their faces all twisted up and incapable of having fun.

For me just going out and gaming a girl is fun, whatever her reaction maybe I just think its fun to approach. Everytime you see a cute girl you just go and talk, I always get excited because you never know what the outcome maybe before you actually go up and talk to her

[Saladin]

(11-11-2011 12:59 AM)BC101 Wrote:  

(11-10-2011 03:01 PM)Insignia Wrote:  

Yea Toronto women might be "cold" or "bitches" but gaming here has taught me how to be more alpha, confident and more centered as a man. So even though I hate Toronto I love it at the same time. It is a challange to game in Toronto but I love it, everytime I go out and game, I am thrilled to take on the challange. The one huge plus in gaming in Toronto is your game will improve immensly.

You have a excellent point but sometimes shit just isn't worth it. In my experience hahaha. Especially when iam not out gaming, iam just out trying to have fun. These bitches have their faces all twisted up and incapable of having fun.

Its easier to approach an out of town 9 than a Toronto 6 or 7.

Anybody know good winter time day game venues. Eaton Centre is tiring me out, too much bitchiness there although there is the occasional tourist thats open.

[Moma]

(11-11-2011 03:14 AM)torontokid Wrote:  

(11-11-2011 12:59 AM)BC101 Wrote:  

(11-10-2011 03:01 PM)Insignia Wrote:  

Yea Toronto women might be "cold" or "bitches" but gaming here has taught me how to be more alpha, confident and more centered as a man. So even though I hate Toronto I love it at the same time. It is a challange to game in Toronto but I love it, everytime I go out and game, I am thrilled to take on the challange. The one huge plus in gaming in Toronto is your game will improve immensly.

You have a excellent point but sometimes shit just isn't worth it. In my experience hahaha. Especially when iam not out gaming, iam just out trying to have fun. These bitches have their faces all twisted up and incapable of having fun.

Its easier to approach an out of town 9 than a Toronto 6 or 7.

Anybody know good winter time day game venues. Eaton Centre is tiring me out, too much bitchiness there although there is the occasional tourist thats open.

Why don't you try Yorkdale Mall? Or Dufferin Mall?

[Luckystar]

(11-11-2011 12:59 AM)BC101 Wrote:  

(11-10-2011 03:01 PM)Insignia Wrote:  

Yea Toronto women might be "cold" or "bitches" but gaming here has taught me how to be more alpha, confident and more centered as a man. So even though I hate Toronto I love it at the same time. It is a challange to game in Toronto but I love it, everytime I go out and game, I am thrilled to take on the challange. The one huge plus in gaming in Toronto is your game will improve immensly.

You have a excellent point but sometimes shit just isn't worth it. In my experience hahaha. Especially when iam not out gaming, iam just out trying to have fun. These bitches have their faces all twisted up and incapable of having fun.

You guys are both right. Toronto girls are absolute garbage. Especially when you've been to place like Sweden and Russia. You don't see a quarter of attitude in most other places.

The only positive is that Toronto is a great place to learn game. The hard lessons really pay off when it really counts later on.

[1bliss]

Try Yorkdale Mall, Square one, anywhere in Yorkville, Queen st for the shopping birds, etc.

PS I've been clubbing a lot lately, especially on King St., and there are hotties everywhere. And for some reason, the coldness and bitchiness of the girls seems to be non-existent now. Maybe because my game keeps improving, I don't know, but I'm lovin it.

Also, went to MTL last weekend... honestly speaking, yes it is pretty good for girls and all, but I truly find Toronto girls hotter depending on what clubs you go to. But the kind of clubs I go to here in Toronto (cheval, brant, muzik, etc), I went to the same kind in MTL and found less hotties. And the hotties I did talk to were all from Tdot or from elsewhere. Even during the days walking along Saint-Catharine and St.Laurent wasn't as good as walking in downtown Toronto. But MTL is still a magnificent place. The french girls are easier than Toronto girls, but I find the Toronto girls hotter than the MTL girls. Gotta check out MTL again though, maybe for NYE.

Other good spots in Toronto: King West Kitchen, Cheval, Brant House, Muzik, Spice Route, Brassai, 1812, Maro (for the more mature crowd), The Drake, Park Hyatt Rooftop, Thompson rooftop, Hazelton rooftop... umm Ultra Supper Club, 606 bar, I can go on for days. Smoking hot girls everywhere in Toronto, and who aren't bitches either. Just gotta hit up the right spots and be decent looking.

[Saladin]

The last 2 out of 3 times I was at Yorkdale it was absolutely brutal, saw a bunch of ghetto kids and very few attractive women. The last time I was there it was better. I'm guessing its better doing school season because of its proximity to York University.

Queen street is great but its getting too cold for that now.

[Get D]

(11-10-2011 03:18 AM)BC101 Wrote:  

greetings.. I am from Toronto and literally signed up just to make a post in this thread.
As I said I am from Toronto but i've traveled a few places definitely more than 10 countries. Also I was not born here. I can say to within a pretty close certainty that this blog entry in the original post was bang on. Toronto women are everything described from "Cold" to "pretentious"...

As I said i've traveled to various countries and cities around the world and have always had a good time, where the female gender was concerned if not getting laid atleast been entertained with good conversation or good fun. Toronto though forget about it brothers... Just forget about it.

I agree with this 100%.

Toronto is difficult for men of any race. The women walk around with a seemingly permanent frown, and their default reponse to cold approaches seem set to 'reject.'

But for the brothers it is much, much worse. So much so that when I hear these dudes talking about Toronto being welcoming to brothers I have to wonder if they're deliberately trying to sabotage the people they're giving advice to. I don't know what it was like in the 1990s or even the early 2000s (I'm not from here), but brothers' desirability can't get much lower than it is right now.

Now I'll admit that what I'm about to say applies more to downtown than in the West or East End (I pretty much spend all my time South of Bloor and West of Yonge). And I can say that you can see our low desirability just by walking around and paying attention. Virtually every woman will go out her way to avoid eye contact with you; many will become visibly annoyed if you look at them; some will look at you with open contempt. Most women clearly think that black men are beneath them. Think of it this way. I've heard white dudes say that if a woman is decent looking here chances are she'll have an attitude. Well, virtually every woman under 40 thinks she's good looking to black men. So virtually every woman here has an attitude when it comes to black men.

And the sistas (especially the ones over 25) have basically abandoned brothers. I've never seen anything like it. Most of them would rather throw themselves at an average white dude than respond favorably to advances of a black Rhodes Scholar. Doesn't matter what he looks like. (In fact, many of them will reject you without even taking a good look at you.) This breaks my heart.

In short, Toronto is a no go for anyone, but it's 100 times worse for brothers.

[tomtud]

With Toronto, and I imagine with other cities,, you have to find your niche spot. Clubs, bars, lounges that you'll fit into will help you shine. If you demonstrate a certain vibe that resonates in a certain environment then as my brother moma states, lizards will notice it. I believe that they have a sixth sense in spotting men who have a good vibe going on. Now Toronto can fulfill anybodys taste in music, type of crowd etc etc. For example, there are salsa nights/events literally 5 nights of the week if that is your thing.

Those reading about racial problems for certain groups in Toronto, don't read too much into it. Just go to places where the women will appreciate your vibe and charm. Keep checking other places until you find your niche spot and then you will shine.

As for being a tourist, what are you going to do in Toronto anyways??? 1-2 days you've seen it all.... I would not even consider staying longer, as there is nothing to do compared to other cities.

As for chasing tail,,,,, find your niche spot. If you want to check out photos from some clubs go to http://www.clubzone.com/h1/Toronto/Nightlife.html and http://www.torontonightclub.com/menu.htm Check these sites out, and you will have an idea of where to go.

Now the clubs and bars in these venues tend to be more of the mainstream. Try asking around for a certain bar or lounge that may cater to your needs. Good luck to ya.

[Luckystar]

(11-11-2011 07:39 PM)1bliss Wrote:  

Try Yorkdale Mall, Square one, anywhere in Yorkville, Queen st for the shopping birds, etc.

PS I've been clubbing a lot lately, especially on King St., and there are hotties everywhere. And for some reason, the coldness and bitchiness of the girls seems to be non-existent now. Maybe because my game keeps improving, I don't know, but I'm lovin it.

Also, went to MTL last weekend... honestly speaking, yes it is pretty good for girls and all, but I truly find Toronto girls hotter depending on what clubs you go to. But the kind of clubs I go to here in Toronto (cheval, brant, muzik, etc), I went to the same kind in MTL and found less hotties. And the hotties I did talk to were all from Tdot or from elsewhere. Even during the days walking along Saint-Catharine and St.Laurent wasn't as good as walking in downtown Toronto. But MTL is still a magnificent place. The french girls are easier than Toronto girls, but I find the Toronto girls hotter than the MTL girls. Gotta check out MTL again though, maybe for NYE.

Other good spots in Toronto: King West Kitchen, Cheval, Brant House, Muzik, Spice Route, Brassai, 1812, Maro (for the more mature crowd), The Drake, Park Hyatt Rooftop, Thompson rooftop, Hazelton rooftop... umm Ultra Supper Club, 606 bar, I can go on for days. Smoking hot girls everywhere in Toronto, and who aren't bitches either. Just gotta hit up the right spots and be decent looking.

I live in King West, basically beside all the hot spots you talk about. Toronto women are truly trash when it comes to class and passable when it comes to beauty. The word 'hot' should never, ever, ever...be applied to Toronto girls. Generally, if your are a 905 douche bag, it's enough for these inflated 905 attitudes.

What other places have you been to for comparison?

[UrbanNerd]

(11-12-2011 02:38 AM)Get D Wrote:  

But for the brothers it is much, much worse. So much so that when I hear these dudes talking about Toronto being welcoming to brothers I have to wonder if they're deliberately trying to sabotage the people they're giving advice to. I don't know what it was like in the 1990s or even the early 2000s (I'm not from here), but brothers' desirability can't get much lower than it is right now.

I mentioned the 1990's to the early 2000's and there are a few things that should also be added:

1) The "love" for brothas was more for AMERCIAN brothas, so there was a "novelty" attached to the attention.

2) There was also an exchange rate difference.

3) Many of the black Canadians were 1st/2nd generation from the Caribbean or Africa and did not have as many high-paying jobs. Not bragging on MY CREW but we were some American brothas with the education from "name-brand" universities, professional jobs and were driving to Toronto in nice foreign cars and staying in the nice hotels. Most of the time when we approached a Toronto sista, we DID NOT CARE if she had a local dude. Chances are that he didn't have the money we had or the jobs or the cars to "sell the chicks a dream" that made them drop those panties.

[ManAbout]

(11-12-2011 02:38 AM)Get D Wrote:  

Most of them would rather throw themselves at an average white dude than respond favorably to advances of a black Rhodes Scholar. Doesn't matter what he looks like. (In fact, many of them will reject you without even taking a good look at you.) This breaks my heart.

I think this is pretty much true of all immigrant cultures in Toronto. It's not uncommon to see above average, to attractive looking immigrant women with dweeby to average white guys.

In Toronto white guys can date up, as long as they are not approaching white women.

[Saladin]

(11-12-2011 03:18 PM)Luckystar Wrote:  

(11-11-2011 07:39 PM)1bliss Wrote:  

Try Yorkdale Mall, Square one, anywhere in Yorkville, Queen st for the shopping birds, etc.

PS I've been clubbing a lot lately, especially on King St., and there are hotties everywhere. And for some reason, the coldness and bitchiness of the girls seems to be non-existent now. Maybe because my game keeps improving, I don't know, but I'm lovin it.

Also, went to MTL last weekend... honestly speaking, yes it is pretty good for girls and all, but I truly find Toronto girls hotter depending on what clubs you go to. But the kind of clubs I go to here in Toronto (cheval, brant, muzik, etc), I went to the same kind in MTL and found less hotties. And the hotties I did talk to were all from Tdot or from elsewhere. Even during the days walking along Saint-Catharine and St.Laurent wasn't as good as walking in downtown Toronto. But MTL is still a magnificent place. The french girls are easier than Toronto girls, but I find the Toronto girls hotter than the MTL girls. Gotta check out MTL again though, maybe for NYE.

Other good spots in Toronto: King West Kitchen, Cheval, Brant House, Muzik, Spice Route, Brassai, 1812, Maro (for the more mature crowd), The Drake, Park Hyatt Rooftop, Thompson rooftop, Hazelton rooftop... umm Ultra Supper Club, 606 bar, I can go on for days. Smoking hot girls everywhere in Toronto, and who aren't bitches either. Just gotta hit up the right spots and be decent looking.

I live in King West, basically beside all the hot spots you talk about. Toronto women are truly trash when it comes to class and passable when it comes to beauty. The word 'hot' should never, ever, ever...be applied to Toronto girls. Generally, if your are a 905 douche bag, it's enough for these inflated 905 attitudes.

What other places have you been to for comparison?

King West seems to have an older crowd thats actually friendlier. I was running street game on Entertainment District and King West with a buddy and King West girls were friendlier. However that crowd is a bit too old for me.

I've been hustling my ass of in Toronto for a year and the Eaton Centre is at its worst ever. I can't wait till I get the fake id so I can finally hit some bars and clubs up.

Right now the only real prospects I have is from social circle game. One positive thing about Toronto is that its so difficult that social circle game is a breeze. Its fucking amazing to actually sit in class and have girls that are friendly and want to chat me up for once.

I just went 9 days straight of day game from Tuesday of last week to Thursday of this week. I got a total of two numbers from around 70 approaches. Thats less than 3 percent success rate. One of those two numbers flaked completely, and the other one had a boyfriend and was unwilling to meet up.

Its funny because the first 4-6 days of the 9 day challenge went well and I was loving going out. But in the last two days I started getting negative since I felt I was wasting my time on bitches that are not even on my level. I was getting rejected so much that I got pissed off and I didn't go out yesterday. I went today but only did a couple of approaches. I just felt all this work wasn't worth the effort.

The feeling I have right now is that most of these girls I approach aren't even on my level. There might be something horribly wrong with my approach but after a year I don't know what it is. It may be possible that I got so tired of approaching Toronto girls that I don't go in with much enthusiasm and thus don't go in with proper voice tonality and loudness. I think I realized this after I approached a smoking hot British girl that I hooked. I was a bit louder than normal and had laser eye contact.

Another possible consideration is that I have to wear contacts instead of glasses. My friends have told me that I look a lot better without glasses. Therefore I'm considering buying contacts and starting to wear them again. Most of my approaches don't even hook so it may be that I'm giving of a nerdy look thats turning off girls instantly.

In any case I'm gonna limit approach to around 3 days a week and focus on social circle game. I'm gonna make a shitload of cash so I can take vacations away from Toronto and eventually move away from here when I graduate.

[tomtud]

(11-12-2011 07:06 PM)ManAbout Wrote:  

(11-12-2011 02:38 AM)Get D Wrote:  

Most of them would rather throw themselves at an average white dude than respond favorably to advances of a black Rhodes Scholar. Doesn't matter what he looks like. (In fact, many of them will reject you without even taking a good look at you.) This breaks my heart.

I think this is pretty much true of all immigrant cultures in Toronto. It's not uncommon to see above average, to attractive looking immigrant women with dweeby to average white guys.

In Toronto white guys can date up, as long as they are not approaching white women.

Manabout,, why are you worried about what white guys are doing or aren't. You can flip it around on any race and find pecularities that don't make sense. The reality is this, the rhodes scholar of any race will look attractive to those women who share more or less his intelectual level. Now, if you are looking for strippers, sex workers, girls who barely passed high school, those girls won't go for the rhodes scholar but the bad boy, guy who is going nowhere if you will... etc...

Toronto is very peculiar in that if you know what culture/background she is, you will have an idea if she is a long shot or more of a sure shot to date/bang etc..... I am sure this is similiar to many cities. Any girl is approachable, just have the balls and if its not favourable, then go onto the next.

[rudebwoy]

(11-11-2011 10:52 AM)Luckystar Wrote:  

(11-11-2011 12:59 AM)BC101 Wrote:  

(11-10-2011 03:01 PM)Insignia Wrote:  

Yea Toronto women might be "cold" or "bitches" but gaming here has taught me how to be more alpha, confident and more centered as a man. So even though I hate Toronto I love it at the same time. It is a challange to game in Toronto but I love it, everytime I go out and game, I am thrilled to take on the challange. The one huge plus in gaming in Toronto is your game will improve immensly.

You have a excellent point but sometimes shit just isn't worth it. In my experience hahaha. Especially when iam not out gaming, iam just out trying to have fun. These bitches have their faces all twisted up and incapable of having fun.

You guys are both right. Toronto girls are absolute garbage. Especially when you've been to place like Sweden and Russia. You don't see a quarter of attitude in most other places.

The only positive is that Toronto is a great place to learn game. The hard lessons really pay off when it really counts later on.

Lol seems like you are suffering from the same "ailment" that I am going through. I would say alot of places are garbage compared to those two countries, but yet people bash Sweden on this board!

[Kaizen]

"The women walk around with a seemingly permanent frown, and their default reponse to cold approaches seem set to 'reject.' "

Very Very True.

[Vacancier Permanent]

Toronto is a lost cause guys. Toronto is great for someone coming straight from some bum fuck place from Africa or central America or Central Asia etc..., but for those of us who have either grown up in Europe and or travelled a lot and been to other parts of the world and had a taste of the good flie and been with real feminine women such as in South America, Eastern Europe and Asia, Toronto is a shithole. Overrated, overpriced, crappy, depressing weather and girls are mediocre to average at best thinking they are princesses with an over inflated self worth and ridiculous self of entitlement, not just the girls but people in general. And not to mention the insane sheer amount of betas and white knights. There's absolutely not one thing in Toronto that would warrant travelling here for the girls or even worst, to move here. There are much much much better places elsewhere. At this time, the only thing holding me in Toronto is family.

I'm not even trying or wasting my time on TO girls, not worth the time nor the effort. Best thing to do is focus on the ESL events, language type events and other similar events full of foreign girls who have been here for not long. 2 weeks ago, me and Mr. Lizard Slayer, we went to a language exchange event and it showed a lot of promise. I'm going to be investing more time in those as that's the only saving grace in this shithole called Toronto. Can't wait till I leave this place for good...

[kosko]

Quote:



- Toronto the PC capital of the world.

Only in Toronto will the specifically make seats for fat people on their trams. These are the new streetcars, and yes I had to do a double take because I thought my eyes we're playing tricks on me.

[Saladin]

That must be on the subway cars. Thats disgusting.

Toronto is getting fatter and uglier by the day.

[Vacancier Permanent]

Kosko,
This is outrageous! And guess who's going to foot the bill for that shit? The hard working people. I refuse to be part of a society that encourages and rewards fatitude! To hell with that and to HELL WITH TORONTO!

[MiXX]

I seriously do not understand why cats in Toronto do not move to Montreal. Shit, I'd be packing my bags and over to some sexy French accents in a heartbeat if I was Canadian!

Mixx

[Moma]

(11-14-2011 10:54 AM)MiXX Wrote:  

I seriously do not understand why cats in Toronto do not move to Montreal. Shit, I'd be packing my bags and over to some sexy French accents in a heartbeat if I was Canadian!

Mixx

You can't make money in Montreal as easily as Toronto. Quebec people are more prejudiced towards people who are immigrant (I am going to go out on a limb and say non white) and non French speaking. They are not very welcoming towards those who try to learn French (I have personal experience).
I attend two language groups to improve my French and Spanish and even though my Spanish is much weaker, the Spanish group with native Spanish speakers are very welcoming towards beginners.
My French experience is not as rewarding and I find the Quebecois would roll their eyes when I would speak to them as I tried to practice my French. I do not like this attitude. Obviously not all Quebecois nor French people do this but this behaviour is common and very offputting.

So in a nutshell, the deterrent is lack of jobs and bad vibes.

This is open to correction from any initial non French speaker who is non white and made a smooth enjoyable transition from Toronto to Montreal.

[MiXX]

(11-14-2011 11:07 AM)Moma Wrote:  

So in a nutshell, the deterrent is lack of jobs and bad vibes.

This is open to correction from any initial non French speaker who is non white and made a smooth enjoyable transition from Toronto to Montreal.

But Moma, this is contradicting the several posts/threads about Montreal being a laid back city with an awesome vibe, friendly people and DTF French girls.

So does the above only apply to white people who speak French?

Mixx

[Moma]

(11-14-2011 11:11 AM)MiXX Wrote:  

(11-14-2011 11:07 AM)Moma Wrote:  

So in a nutshell, the deterrent is lack of jobs and bad vibes.

This is open to correction from any initial non French speaker who is non white and made a smooth enjoyable transition from Toronto to Montreal.

But Moma, this is contradicting the several posts/threads about Montreal being a laid back city with an awesome vibe, friendly people and DTF French girls.

So does the above only apply to white people who speak French?

Mixx

Visiting a place is always a different experience than living there. For instance, London England is a great place to visit. Great accents, fish and chips, warm beer, diverse clubs and minutes away from mainland Europe.
Cool.
Living there is a whole different ball game.

I know quite a few guys born and bred in Montreal that moved up here because they don't like the French way of doing things.

Again, I am open to correction. I can only say from what I have been informed and experienced. By and large, I am good at picking up vibes.

To further add to this, just because the reptiles will fcuk the guys doesn't mean that the society as a whole will accept the people on a general level.
Some of the most prejudiced societies out there will have lizards that are fully DTF.
It is one thing to be able to fcuk every salamander moving, it's another to be afforded the same opportunities to work and socialise without prejudice.

[Saladin]

(11-14-2011 10:54 AM)MiXX Wrote:  

I seriously do not understand why cats in Toronto do not move to Montreal. Shit, I'd be packing my bags and over to some sexy French accents in a heartbeat if I was Canadian!

Mixx

Oh trust me, once I have the money to leave I will.

[kosko]

Yes money and language holds me back. I'm in TO for school but plan to bail once I'm done. The points on Montreal are correct, its harder to get paid well and if your not a francophone its a uphill climb.