[Delta]

My own experience makes this issue very clear:

I am not some kind of mega genius by any stretch. Nor have I ever been accused of being the type of person who tries too hard to sound smart... in fact I've only been accused of the opposite, acting less intelligent/sophisticated on the surface than I actually am.

Yet every girl I ever get anywhere with is an ultra-overachiever type in some high IQ profession. I'm utterly incompetent at gaming your basic nurse or elementary school teacher. Literally never done it successfully. The smarter the girl, the better a chance I have, with no upper limit.

The implication is obvious: Chicks are not into guys significantly more intelligent than they are. The second you express some idea beyond their understanding or use vocabulary they're unfamiliar with, it's game over.

Intellectual discussion only turns on a tiny percentage of intellectual women. And I mean truly intellectual, not those who would label themselves as such (i.e. almost all of them), and certainly not those who think intellectualism means blindly championing whatever progressive cause du jour is currently being pushed by Marxist humanities scholars (a surprisingly high percentage of people think this way, but I guess I'm preaching to the choir here).

The sweet spot is matching her intellect; not a step lower or higher.

[flyinghorse]

I'm dating a woman for the last 3 weeks who I think is too classy for me (she's about an 8 and is always wearing fancy dresses).

I even said to her last week that she is elegant and i'm tattooed and muscular and I said I didn't know if we'd get together because we're a physical mis-match. She told me she likes intelligent guys and doesn't want an 'elegant' or 'fancy' guy.

I know what women say and do is two different things but I've decided not to look this gift horse in the mouth.

[ViberOne]

Turn her on no. Make her think you're interesting (even fascinating if you do it right) yes

[HAcoreRD]

I don't think the intellectual discussion per se turns girls on, but many girls, especially educated ones, find you assertively expressing your own opinion sexy. If you have your own take on issues and can stand for your opinion, vis-a-vis the clueless person who just adopts whatever he reads from his favorite news source, that kind of thing can be a turn on.

This can for obvious reasons also backfire, which is why I generally wouldn't recommend delving into intellectual topics if you just want to maximize the chances of getting the bang. Also, if you do this, you should actually be smart, not some reiteration of Alex Jones who talks about how the financial system is rigged or whatever.

[thedarkknight]

(03-05-2019 11:26 PM)flyinghorse Wrote:  

I'm dating a woman for the last 3 weeks who I think is too classy for me (she's about an 8 and is always wearing fancy dresses).

I even said to her last week that she is elegant and i'm tattooed and muscular and I said I didn't know if we'd get together because we're a physical mis-match. She told me she likes intelligent guys and doesn't want an 'elegant' or 'fancy' guy.

I know what women say and do is two different things but I've decided not to look this gift horse in the mouth.

Tell me how things turn out with her.

I'm curious as to how this will turn out.

TDK

[Leonard D Neubache]

A smart incel noted "women don't find funny men funny, they think attractive men are funny".

Same goes for intellectual shit. If you establish attraction then you can drivel intellectual crap or pseudo-intellectual crap or just recite your ABC's on a loop while they grind their thighs together. But no woman ever went from WNB to WB because the guy flashed his street-cred on theoretical physics.

Contradicting them can get them wet if you do it right but even then you have to have established attraction. In that regard it also doesn't matter if you're contradicting them on national monetary policy or what the best flavour of Baskin & Robbins is.

So in a nutshell, no. The man is the turn-on. Beyond that it's only a question if he veers into turn-off territory.

[TutorGuina]

(03-05-2019 11:26 PM)flyinghorse Wrote:  

I'm dating a woman for the last 3 weeks who I think is too classy for me (she's about an 8 and is always wearing fancy dresses).

I even said to her last week that she is elegant and i'm tattooed and muscular and I said I didn't know if we'd get together because we're a physical mis-match. She told me she likes intelligent guys and doesn't want an 'elegant' or 'fancy' guy.

I know what women say and do is two different things but I've decided not to look this gift horse in the mouth.

I vote this comment for hamster of the weak, WTF

Do you even display some sort of intellect to her flyinghorse? Wouldn't doubt you were actually intelligent, but I suspect you play it down for game purposes
If you actually show intellect on conversations and the way you act I'd say you are well ranged and she got benefit of doubt

But then I know how many girls from a good upbringing date criminals and write letters to serial killers..

[thedarkknight]

(03-06-2019 06:52 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

A smart incel noted "women don't find funny men funny, they think attractive men are funny".

Same goes for intellectual shit. If you establish attraction then you can drivel intellectual crap or pseudo-intellectual crap or just recite your ABC's on a loop while they grind their thighs together. But no woman ever went from WNB to WB because the guy flashed his street-cred on theoretical physics.

Contradicting them can get them wet if you do it right but even then you have to have established attraction. In that regard it also doesn't matter if you're contradicting them on national monetary policy or what the best flavour of Baskin & Robbins is.

So in a nutshell, no. The man is the turn-on. Beyond that it's only a question if he veers into turn-off territory.

So true!

Noted.

TDK

[flyinghorse]

(03-06-2019 07:16 AM)TutorGuina Wrote:  

(03-05-2019 11:26 PM)flyinghorse Wrote:  

I'm dating a woman for the last 3 weeks who I think is too classy for me (she's about an 8 and is always wearing fancy dresses).

I even said to her last week that she is elegant and i'm tattooed and muscular and I said I didn't know if we'd get together because we're a physical mis-match. She told me she likes intelligent guys and doesn't want an 'elegant' or 'fancy' guy.

I know what women say and do is two different things but I've decided not to look this gift horse in the mouth.

I vote this comment for hamster of the weak, WTF

Do you even display some sort of intellect to her flyinghorse? Wouldn't doubt you were actually intelligent, but I suspect you play it down for game purposes
If you actually show intellect on conversations and the way you act I'd say you are well ranged and she got benefit of doubt

But then I know how many girls from a good upbringing date criminals and write letters to serial killers..

I'm certainly no intellectual heavy weight.

I have a law degree and I used to work as a journalist, but now I'm working as a teacher. My actual passion is literature but I seldom talk about it because literary theory bores most people to tears.

My looks don't match my personality though (with the weightlifting and the tattoos). This may sound odd; but I grew up in a rough working class area where men had to look and act like men otherwise they'd get their heads kicked in. I've essentially internalized how men should look based on the culture I have come from.

Either way, I like who I am and I do feel proud to come from what I have. Its probably just a little confusing to women when they meet me.

[griffinmill]

(03-05-2019 08:17 PM)Delta Wrote:  

The implication is obvious: Chicks are not into guys significantly more intelligent than they are. The second you express some idea beyond their understanding or use vocabulary they're unfamiliar with, it's game over.

It's strange this is your experience.

I would consider myself a fairly smart guy, and I'd think of myself as much smarter and better informed than most girls I'm on a date with. Plenty have told me flat out how smart they think I am. I've even argued with the dumbest-of-the-dumb who believe things like gender is purely socialisation. It's never, to my knowledge, lost me a girl.

I do remember one time I used the word "rambunctious" or something, and my date jerked her head toward me with a face like thunder and told me to "stop using big words". I'll never forget that. But I still ended up banging her.

[Savonarola]

(03-06-2019 09:31 AM)griffinmill Wrote:  

I do remember one time I used the word "rambunctious" or something, and my date jerked her head toward me with a face like thunder and told me to "stop using big words". I'll never forget that. But I still ended up banging her.

In college, I used the word "ensconced" in a newspaper article and the copyeditor said that I made it up.

When I'm with a young woman, I dumb myself down by about 30 IQ points. Instead, my mannerisms become reactive and excitable. It spikes their buying temperature. It's possible to overdo it, though. Best is when they have no idea what you're going to say or do next. AKG = Always Keepem Guessing

The dumb ones are easier to manipulate, but it's easier to get along with the smart ones.

[Sooth]

Dry intellectual conversations are hard for anyone to listen to if you dont care about the topic.

There are cases if she is interested in an area. Eg, the "headstrong" 22 yo who just finished uni and thinks shes going to be the next multi millionaire entrepreneur after listening to Gary Vaynerchuk.

If you can put yourself in a position of authority on business (something important to her) explain some elementry business concepts and you"ll have her ear.

You can do this with anything as long as shes interested. The problem is some men are not able to read women on the fly and cant tell if shes really engaged or not.

A good conversation topic I use is social media, specifically how different companies behind the scenes algorithms work.

Tell a girl that Instagram is metering notifications like the cocaine rat experiment to keep people checking frequently and she will be fully engaged. Sometimes the reactions are entertaining. Who knows what's going on in their heads but they know they're addicted.

[Savonarola]

(03-06-2019 02:17 PM)Sooth Wrote:  

A good conversation topic I use is social media, specifically how different companies behind the scenes algorithms work.

I'd be interested in that, since it's not in my wheelhouse. Can you link to a good analysis/article?

[flyinghorse]

(03-06-2019 05:48 AM)thedarkknight Wrote:  

(03-05-2019 11:26 PM)flyinghorse Wrote:  

I'm dating a woman for the last 3 weeks who I think is too classy for me (she's about an 8 and is always wearing fancy dresses).

I even said to her last week that she is elegant and i'm tattooed and muscular and I said I didn't know if we'd get together because we're a physical mis-match. She told me she likes intelligent guys and doesn't want an 'elegant' or 'fancy' guy.

I know what women say and do is two different things but I've decided not to look this gift horse in the mouth.

Tell me how things turn out with her.

I'm curious as to how this will turn out.

TDK

I just got a message from her saying, 'i'm not so prim and proper - I have other sides to me as well.'

I think she took being called elegant as a negative and now she's trying to prove otherwise.

This isn't game in any way (just a fluke) - unless you could call being congruent with your thought process to women as a form of game.

[TooFineAPoint]

"Does Scratching One Record Over Another Ever Turn Women On?
"Does Growing A Smokable Plant Ever Turn Women On?"
"Does Trading Lots Of Stock Ever Turn Women On?"

Same questions.

Answer: not really that thing. But the guys that do them get laid a lot.

Women really like guys just a liiiiiiiitle bit smarter than them. Though they definitely fuck guys they THINK are dumber (who may not actually be).

Intellectual discussion certainly doesn't turn women off, or I would still be a virgin.

If you're of middling intelligence and you want to use your advantage over dumb fetal-alcohol sluts as a crutch as to why you're not getting laid, stop.

If you're of above-average intelligence and refuse to stop talking "at" chicks instead of legitimately trying to connect with them, it's your grace and social acuity that needs work, not your "intellectual discussion".

Inside many (not all) gorgeous women is the desire to be appreciated as something more than a pair of tits and 3 holes. And inside nearly all of them is the desire to be led on a wonderous adventure of life. Believe it or not, that adventure can often take place in the imagination and still have effect. To weave a confident, illuminating tale using intellectual power is such an effect.

For the very very dull (but still pleasant and delicious) gals, maybe you don't lead with this. But judiciously applied it's an atom bomb. Like mastery of anything would be.

[Belgrano]

To use some lobster-speak, a woman will only feel attracted to you based on your demonstration of intellectual superiority if it is a proxy for your high position in a domincance hierarchy relevant to her.

[lika91]

I think it depends really on the country you are in. I dont think you could ever have an intellectual conversation with an English or American woman. But in other parts of the world, like Eastern Europe or even central Europe (Germany, Austria), for many women it is a requirement to have a good conversation before they go into bed with you. Or at least it is a advantage to be able to lead them. We are talking about psychological/human deep talk here.