[Bushido]

Another of these threads? いい加減にしろ！

[erikak]

I can't speak for Japan, but in China, students often told me they were my "fans" and would come to my house and bang. Once, two eighteen year old girls who were best friends and both "fans" came over and offered a threesome. When I stared the one girl, dumbfounded, the other said: "You only want my friend? I can go to the other room."

Another time, a 16 year old student asked if I could teach her privately. I agreed, and she said her parents wanted to meet me at Starbucks to discuss this. When I met them, the father, after greeting me, said in okay English while beaming: "As our daughter loves you very much, we agree to let her date you!" (WTF?) I declined due to her age, a day or two later the mom got my QQ and kept sending me messages for two weeks, asking me to reconsider. The girl said her parents were okay with her living at my place. I was 29.

I had countless experiences like this from 2009-2013. By 2015, not so much.

I heard it was just as crazy in Singapore. I used to play an online game in high school and made friends with a guy who lived there. He and his friends constantly bitched about average middle-aged white guys coming in and "taking their pick of the local hotties".

[Fortis]

Not really sure what dudes are expecting. Local guys in Asia now have game, money and the awareness to compete? As far as I'm concerned, that is how it always should have been. But this really would be a non-issue if dudes kept improving themselves (as this site says).

[RichieP]

(09-26-2016 06:26 PM)Mr. Scumbag Wrote:  

(09-26-2016 01:07 PM)RichieP Wrote:  

^Right.

This is why I'll never be worried about locations being played out.

Japan was the first asian country to reach western development levels and to receive influxes of foreigners along the way. You can still go there and do just fine.

They're not doing fine. lol

The average foreigner in Japan has to look like David Beckham in order to compete for 4/10 or 5/10, often mentally deranged or 25+ year old older women that no Japanese guy would want. Same thing is already starting to happen in China, but lots of guys are in denial about it.

Objective term here is "the average foreigner". This forum isn't about being the average guy. But for some reason it's attracted plenty of dudes who think it is.

Honestly, I'm glad these ideas abound now - hopefully it will filter out more of the fluff guys who can't cut it. When I say "You can do fine", I'm assuming "you" are a cool guy with actual game. Not just white guy with a pulse, or thirsty spam approacher.

Erikak: So now Asia requires game and not just a white face. Cool. Game on.

[RichieP]

(09-27-2016 08:18 AM)Fortis Wrote:  

Not really sure what dudes are expecting. Local guys in Asia now have game, money and the awareness to compete? As far as I'm concerned, that is how it always should have been. But this really would be a non-issue if dudes kept improving themselves (as this site says).

I'm not even convinced the old days were so special. I've met more than a few of these old hands in Asia complaining about the old days.

"Oh you shoulda seen that club back then"

Maybe what happened is they just GOT OLD.

Like of course times have changed, globalization, foreigner status has dropped.

But at the same time.

Ever see the wives/gfs of these old hands? Many of them married early, and their gfs rarely look anything special, even if you visually subtract 10 years.

And you can spot a "former foreigner hunter" a mile away - vulgar, abrasive, drinking a lot. If life was so amazing, why did these guys settle for mediocre girls. Why didn't they marry a true quality stunner?

I imagine these guys had no game back then, and are "reminiscing" like the guy who "used to bench 400 pounds". Times have changed, but I highly doubt they were pulling 8s left and right then and suddenly it dried up.

[Australia Sucks]

RichieP, you Fortis and other like minded guys shouldn't be taking locational degradation lightly. Even if it has not advanced enough yet to bother you personally, eventually in another 10 or 15 years many of these Asian countries could become like a western country where even a decent looking dude with some game will have to deal with ubiquitously high bitch shields and work like a dog just to smash a 6. Nobody wants that.

[erikak]

(09-26-2016 06:26 PM)Mr. Scumbag Wrote:  

They're not doing fine. lol

The average foreigner in Japan has to look like David Beckham in order to compete for 4/10 or 5/10, often mentally deranged or 25+ year old older women that no Japanese guy would want. Same thing is already starting to happen in China, but lots of guys are in denial about it.

Wow. Japan is really that bad?

[Suits]

(09-27-2016 06:56 AM)erikak Wrote:  

I can't speak for Japan, but in China, students often told me they were my "fans" and would come to my house and bang. Once, two eighteen year old girls who were best friends and both "fans" came over and offered a threesome. When I stared the one girl, dumbfounded, the other said: "You only want my friend? I can go to the other room."

Another time, a 16 year old student asked if I could teach her privately. I agreed, and she said her parents wanted to meet me at Starbucks to discuss this. When I met them, the father, after greeting me, said in okay English while beaming: "As our daughter loves you very much, we agree to let her date you!" (WTF?) I declined due to her age, a day or two later the mom got my QQ and kept sending me messages for two weeks, asking me to reconsider. The girl said her parents were okay with her living at my place. I was 29.

I have a very hard time believing that either of these stories are true.

This sounds like the opposite of China for a number of reasons.

[iron93]

*IF* that is the case... then who are getting all the 9s and 10s?

[Australia Sucks]

I suspect the rich local dudes are wifing up the 9s and 10s and a young age.

[RichieP]

(09-27-2016 04:54 PM)Australia Sucks Wrote:  

RichieP, you Fortis and other like minded guys shouldn't be taking locational degradation lightly. Even if it has not advanced enough yet to bother you personally, eventually in another 10 or 15 years many of these Asian countries could become like a western country where even a decent looking dude with some game will have to deal with ubiquitously high bitch shields and work like a dog just to smash a 6. Nobody wants that.

The west isn't even like that, so I doubt Asia will be. Any high-value male in a cosmopolitan city should be getting at least 7's consistently, with occasional 8+ from time to time - and more if you have status in high-end or niche social circle.

Guys working like dogs for 6s are inevitably 6s. Top 20% of guys get the top 20% of girls (and all the rest too). Compete on game and charisma, not looks or biceps, which any guy with a gym membership and two braincells has.

[Fortis]

Australia, if you're running the same game in 10-15 years then it is your fault, not asia's fault, that you're not getting the girls you think you deserve. I'm 27, and I have mid-level game at best, but I've improved a fair bit since I came to Asia. I sure as fuck don't plan to be running the same game at 35-40. If I don't improve my game, lifestyle, fitness and other aspects then the locals totally deserve to take hotter girls from me. What's up with all this entitlement nonsense? If you aren't hitting the girls you think you deserve it's on you, not "locational degradation." This sounds like when feminists say "where did all the good guys go?"

[atlant]

(09-27-2016 08:12 PM)Fortis Wrote:  

Australia, if you're running the same game in 10-15 years then it is your fault, not asia's fault, that you're not getting the girls you think you deserve. I'm 27, and I have mid-level game at best, but I've improved a fair bit since I came to Asia. I sure as fuck don't plan to be running the same game at 35-40. If I don't improve my game, lifestyle, fitness and other aspects then the locals totally deserve to take hotter girls from me. What's up with all this entitlement nonsense? If you aren't hitting the girls you think you deserve it's on you, not "locational degradation." This sounds like when feminists say "where did all the good guys go?"

[TravelerKai]

(09-27-2016 07:07 PM)Suits Wrote:  

(09-27-2016 06:56 AM)erikak Wrote:  

I can't speak for Japan, but in China, students often told me they were my "fans" and would come to my house and bang. Once, two eighteen year old girls who were best friends and both "fans" came over and offered a threesome. When I stared the one girl, dumbfounded, the other said: "You only want my friend? I can go to the other room."

Another time, a 16 year old student asked if I could teach her privately. I agreed, and she said her parents wanted to meet me at Starbucks to discuss this. When I met them, the father, after greeting me, said in okay English while beaming: "As our daughter loves you very much, we agree to let her date you!" (WTF?) I declined due to her age, a day or two later the mom got my QQ and kept sending me messages for two weeks, asking me to reconsider. The girl said her parents were okay with her living at my place. I was 29.

I have a very hard time believing that either of these stories are true.

This sounds like the opposite of China for a number of reasons.

I think you are right Suits. No Chinese parent I have ever met before would ever say some shit like that. 14 may be the consent age in China, but that pretty much only applies to Chinese themselves. No foreigner I know of is stupid enough to try that. Also even among Chinese, only high guanxi/powerful older Chinese men tend to get away with sub 16 and younger sex, unless the girl was banging her classmates, etc.

Also Chinese know that legal marriage is 20 for girls in China. Some savvy ones know it's 18 for Westerners. Poor parents are not this desperate either, because those are the kinds that are usually too xenophobic to try an arrange something like this. Usually Chinese with cute daughters see that as an opportunity to sell them off to a richer Chinese family for a fat hongbao, even then, they wait a while because no one does that before 22 and 20.

Maybe he would be the first to report such a thing, but considering everything else he posts on the forum, it does smell a bit like bullshit.

This is the same guy that was swearing up and down how racist Chinese are, yet he is saying that some tried to give him a 16 year old wife? Come on.... Something isn't right here.

[Australia Sucks]

I agree on a personal level you should always be uping your lifestyle/wealth and fitness for your own benefit. I got no problem with that and I am working on it.

However having to up my game and or do more approaches due to game inflation is something I naturally resent. I feel I should not even have to deal with this bullshit for bitches that are for the most part quite frankly unworthy of the effort and usually beneath me. At least 99% of women I meet have no integrity and are not as smart or wise or interesting as I am, so naturally I feel cheated that I have to put so much effort in. Besides Fortis, don't you think that having to continually improve yourself just to keep getting the same quality of women is a lamentable situation? If it was up to me every place should be as easy as the Phillipines reportedly is. Basically what you are saying is "so what if things get worse/harder, suck it up and work harder , you lazy ass"

Roosh himself has written plenty of articles about game inflation and locational degradation. Its real.

My personal solution is to continue working on my finances, language ability (currently learning a bit of Spanish), and later down the track when I have (more time and money), work on my fitness, fashion, etc. Once I have enough wealth to be location indepedant I will go to ever more remote locations to outpace game inflation. For example you start at second tier cities, then after 5 years move onto 3rd tier cities, then after another 10 years when it gets harder still move to small towns, etc. I do not want to have to start doing daily spam approaching and rocking up to places wearing a custom suit, rolex and driving a porsche just to fuck some bitchy 7s who think they are 10s. Game inflation is very real and it eventually gets to the point where the burden becomes too great and you have to change location.

[atlant]

(09-27-2016 08:46 PM)Australia Sucks Wrote:  

I feel I should not even have to deal with this bullshit for bitches that are for the most part quite frankly unworthy of the effort and usually beneath me. At least 99% of women I meet have no integrity and are not as smart or wise or interesting as I am

If you ever wanna figure out why you're not getting laid as much as you'd like to, you could start here.

You don't improve yourself "for women", you improve yourself for your own sake. Getting women is a side effect.

If you can't see any reason why you would want to improve yourself (besides getting women) then you failed society as a man.

[Australia Sucks]

Atlant you obviously did not read my post thoroughly. I said in my first sentence of that very same post that "you should always be upping your lifestyle/wealth and fitness for your own benefit". What I was refering to which I was very clear about was that I resent having to improve my game and or do more approaches. You obviously have a comprehension problem. I suggest you actually read what people say carefully rather than cherry picking one sentance out of context.

[atlant]

If you resent improving your game, you resent improving yourself. Game isn't just pick up lines you spew at women, it's how you carry yourself, your social skills, being witty, reading people - things that are useful in many situations.

Let's be real here, you're planning to move to increasingly obscure places to avoid "game inflation" but if you're so wise, interesting and amazing why aren't women throwing themselves at you? Right, because you're not wearing a Rolex...

Your posts sound like a condensed best-of of /r/niceguys.

[Australia Sucks]

Atlant game inflation is real and guys like Roosh have written plenty about it. We all have to different strategies to deal with it.

You are a well repped member and I respect your view. I just have a different strategy than you to deal with game inflation.

[nampa1234]

(09-26-2016 11:08 AM)Periphrasis Wrote:  

I think the two main points in the OP are (1) that Japanese girls are getting more Western influence by the year, and (2) that Western foreigners are losing the exotic value they used to command now that the younger generations are more used to their presence and appearance.

On the first point: Yeah, it sucks. But we've got time. Japan is taking on feminist ideals and other neo-Western poison at a slower rate than almost everywhere else in the world that's good for pickup. And besides, just go an hour outside any major city and you'll meet plenty of girls who haven't ever even talked to a foreigner and are still steeped almost exclusively in rural Japanese life.

On the second point: Who cares man? Do you want lays just because you're Western? Don't get me wrong, I enjoy East Asia partially because I'm leaving the Anglosphere where women trade at a premium and entering a world where I have an advantage due to the lottery of birth. But even big cities in Japan are still more than sufficient for that. Any easier and maybe I'd start getting out of bed at 5 PM and wearing the same shirt for 7 days in a row.

All in all, I don't think there's grounds to complain about Japan anytime soon. Tall Western men still have a huge advantage here, and besides, how many Westerners venture more than 30 minutes outside the city or speak Japanese at a level that gives them access to girl's who aren't gaijin hunters? If any facet of Japan is played out, it's the tiny subset of chicks that throw themselves at clueless foreigners.

I actually think there are less Western foreigners in Japan than ten years ago. The Joo banks have wanted a piece of Japan (people keep all their money at the post office) and have set up shop in Tokyo, but the banks never recovered after 2008, never making much headway into granny's piggy bank. ESL also fell off a cliff in 2007 when GABA and NOVA(cation) went out of business under a load of debt, erasing a large percentage of Westerner jobs. I have heard there are bucket loads of non-Western foreigners than ten years ago, Chinese, Muslims, etc. (I always assumed that Japanese differentiated between Western and non-Western, but apparently that assumption was fairly inaccurate.)

I also have seen the decline of Japan, worse economy, less pride and worker opportunities, more free marketization a la USA influence. Japanese are more turned off to foreign things, more militant (peace consitution was destroyed last year), more poor. The media influence in Japan and E. Asia is actually quite low. What is a factor is the copy-cat nature of these cultures. They copy Hollywood and its evil and ooze it into a cheesy E. Asian version. J-TV is much more nasty and offers less proper gender role models than only ten years ago.

P.S. I assumed there were more guys on here above 30. I'm not sensing much insight. I also thought, given Roosh's abroad focus, that there would be more guys with foreign experiences. I have pretty good PU skills, but I would never have gotten over the hump in Rust Belt USA if I did not have foreign chicks in my environment.

[nampa1234]

(09-27-2016 01:03 AM)Space Cowboy Wrote:  

(09-26-2016 04:37 PM)erikak Wrote:  

The German guy eventually got beat up so bad he had to be emergency evac'd back to Germany on life support. Don't know if it was from the so-called Foreigner Hunter or a group of guys with baseball bats.

An American friend of mine also got beat up like that. Three Chinese guys dragged him out of a night club and beat him so bad he almost died. Severe cuts across his face, broken nose, orbital rim fracture, pieces of his eyebrows missing. I told him not to go to there alone. If you're in China, be really careful if you go to the clubs.

Did you also believe that The Blair Witch Project was a real documentary?

These stories are rife in Asia and stem from penilly frustrated Asian men. These racially homogenous societies stick together and in the more extreme countries, like Korea, the state TV stations run phony documentaries on Western men. That these stories are false, has no consequence. They serve their purpose.

[nampa1234]

(09-27-2016 04:39 AM)azulsombra Wrote:  

(09-26-2016 12:09 PM)Travel Museums Wrote:  

Japan is an industrialized country. As such it's not going to be a pussy paradise compared to other places in Asia that are cheaper with less foreigners.

I'd heard the hype about places like roppingi before I came. I personally didn't really enjoy my times roppingi vs other options. I think that area had its heyday shortly after gentrification and has long since ceased to be anything special for foreigners looking to bang Jgirls.

I'm not going to extrapolate that one area to entire country. But it stands to reason that the millennial generation in Japan has way more exposure to western culture. Whether that's good or bad depends on how you adapt your game. And what type of girl you end up gaming.

One great thing about being a well groomed dressed handsome gaijin in Japan is how much you can still get away with. (Even after Julien blanc almost shut pick up down here by being too aggressive).



Once in rotation it's once a week tops. Great if you want a harem. Bad if you want a real relationship. Today after my failure my rotation girl came over with homemade dinner as usual then fucked me and took last train home. To her doing this once a week at texting me goodnight at 12:30am means we're in a relationship. Poosy paradise? I love it and I shake my head in disgust at it.

As for the sexless lives and negative birth rate. That's any developed country. It's a particular problem in Japan bc of small family size and demographics of a few large cities sucking people out of country side. The tight immigration controls also keep out minoroties who would be happy to come mow lawns and brown up the gene pool.

So you see there's just one conclusion. It's up to us gaijin to inseminate as many Jgirls as possible. It's even on the back of the immigration form if you read the fine print. Jodan

Then how do the Nigerians get in?

Honest question, not trying to troll or be funny.

They pay-off the police. Corruption in Asia is common. Because of the joo rap music push of the last 25 years, coupled with Japanese complete lack of understanding of foreign cultures, the African gangsters can pass themselves off as African Americans. Japanese, also based on ignorance, think NYC is awesome. The muggings and scams have gotten to the point where the American embassy recommends not going out to Roppongi for safety reasons. This is shocking, because one of my fav parts of Japan was the surreality of a video game, like Grand Theft Auto, intense but harmless. Globalization destroys everything. It's Japan's turn now.

[Mr. Scumbag]

Yeah... People don't move to third world shitholes like the Phils, Thailand or China only to be told "You need to up yer game brah! Work out and get a six pack, and start making six figures before you even think about getting girls!" or have the girls treat them with the same attitude as some fat entitled Western cunt back in the West would. We go or move to these places because we want feminine, easy girls, and we want cheap cost of living and better entrepreneurial or career opportunities. By the same token, one shouldn't be a complete autistic neckbeard morbidly obese lardass and expect to fuck a Fan Bingbing caliber Asian girl, either.

But this is a genuine issue that is rearing its ugly head recently in Asia, and some guys are too quick to dismiss it as if in denial, or flat out insult guys who bring it up, which is just stupid.

[Australia Sucks]

+1 Mr. Scumbag

[Space Cowboy]

(09-27-2016 08:46 PM)Australia Sucks Wrote:  

However having to up my game and or do more approaches due to game inflation is something I naturally resent. I feel I should not even have to deal with this bullshit for bitches that are for the most part quite frankly unworthy of the effort and usually beneath me. At least 99% of women I meet have no integrity and are not as smart or wise or interesting as I am, so naturally I feel cheated that I have to put so much effort in.

If you're so interesting, why do you have so much trouble with game?