[Lastbil]

Places where i have lived or stayed for an extensive period of time:
Denmark:2
Australia (Sydney):2
Russia (St. Petersburg):4
Ukraine (Kiev/Odessa):5

[xmlenigma]

Updated info ??

[MikeS]

Denmark 2
Bulgaria 4 (happily 2 if they're in a dry spell, but I guess an "operative range" could be applied to all the countries)
Greece 3

[ballybally]

Croatia: 2
Slovenia: 2
Austria: 2
Hungary: 3
Philippines: 5

The ones I spent at least 2-3 months in.

[xmlenigma]

Mexico: 3-4-5 depending on lucky the moron is.. Quite a bunch of 4-5 s

[bounce]

If it is common to date up in a country, it would seem to be less desirable for an attractive man to travel to said country in order to find women, and the other way around.

If men date up, it simply means that chicks value other things besides appearance.

In other words, it would not be beneficial for a good looking guy to travel to a "busted dude friendly country" if their only value is their looks. All things being equal, the more attractive of otherwise equal dudes might give an extra point (at best) in this type of country.

[bacardi123]

I disagree with all the opinions about Greece and Bulgaria.

Both countries lack hotties and it's even rare to see an 8 there...despite the false propaganda that bulgaria has many "slavic russian beauties" or the idea that Greek girls look like the mother of Alexander The Macedonian in the movie "Alexander" (aka - Angelina Jolie with make up...).

So anyway, here's my experience:

Bulgaria: 2
Greece: 2
Hungary: 3
Sweden: 5 (lol...)
Russia: 4

A wild guess is that US, Denmark, UK, Germany will be "1" but it's a just a guess...never been to said countries.

[xpatplayer]

For America, it depends on what part of the country. New York City is generally 3. In other big cities (Dallas, Houston, Atlanta, Chicago), its 2. In small-mid-sized cities, its 1.

[InternationPlayboy]

I'm gonna say brazil is #1 for the places I've been. It seemed a majority of good looking girls had a boyfriend that was definitely less attractive than them.

[azulsombra]

Canada-

3.5 Vancouver
2.5 Toronto

Mexico- 4

Colombia-4.5

Argentina-3

Brazil-3.5

Puerto Rico-3

Costa rica- 3.5

US-2 Overall...goes from 1 to 3.5 in select areas

Japan-3

Phillipines-4

[HighSpeed_LowDrag]

Canada - 2.
Germany - 3. I saw roughly as many instances of guys dating up as guys dating down.
Poland - 5. Would give this an 11 if I could.

[HighSpeed_LowDrag]

(12-12-2012 08:52 AM)Wolverine Wrote:  

Russian women (and slavic women in general) are not physically attracted to handsome or good looking men.
It is not about materialism it is to do with roles in society and social conditioning.

It is strictly the woman's role to be beautiful. The mans role is to be intelligent, charismatic and successful. A beautiful man is essentially taking the woman's role away from her.
Eg. Russian women are constantly making fun of Italian men for being "gay" (spending too much time on their appearance, hair style, skin, high maintenance, etc).

Russian women are sexually attracted to men with the following physical characteristics:
- Pure white skin and light hair
- Tall
- Very short (or bald) hair (there are several famous bald Russian prime time actors who are regarded as sex symbols)
- Moderately ugly and disproportionate facial features (but not hideous)

Being handsome or a pretty boy will disadvantage you with Russian women. You will pull but will struggle to get anything over a 7.
You will never see a good looking Russian guy in the company of a beautiful Russian girl, regardless of how much wealth he has.
Ukraine and Slovakia is exactly the same.

The best chance a good looking guy has with a hot Russian girl is when she is on an overseas holiday.

(12-13-2012 01:27 PM)Wolverine Wrote:  

(12-12-2012 02:51 PM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

Wolverine, in your opinion, is the pure white skin and light hair criterion so strong for Russian women? Will I have to go for a niche market over there? I dont have a Russian flag , but I have had russian women outside of their country show me attention, especially when I have been killing myself at the gym.

Yes it is a strong criterion. You will see yourself when you go.

Everything you thought you knew about the rules of physical attraction will go out the window in Russia and Ukraine.

They like moderately ugly tall white men with very short or no hair. Its irrational but this is what turns them on sexually.

Damn. That actually describes me (except I have dark hair) pretty well.

Something odd that I noticed when I was in Berlin for a weekend was that the two girls (one about a 6.5/7, the other a solid 8.5/9) who gave me mad IOIs were both Russian.

Sounds like my next trip should be to Moscow/St.Pete/Lviv/Kiev.

[CimbomluBkk]

Great thread Roosh
For locals:

Turkey 2-4(depending on socioeconomic status)
Denmark- 2


For white guys

Philippines: 5
Thailand: 4.5
Indonesia 4.75
Malaysia: 3.5
Singapore: 3
Taiwan: 4

[chochemonger1]

(11-20-2014 02:33 PM)HighSpeed_LowDrag Wrote:  

Canada - 2.
Germany - 3. I saw roughly as many instances of guys dating up as guys dating down.
Poland - 5. Would give this an 11 if I could.

In Krakow, I would say it was a 4 or even less. In Warsaw it was absolutely, close to a 5.
If I return to Poland, I know where I would be heading to.

[calwinston]

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[BodiPUA]

Cool thread.

UK: -3
USA: -3
France: 2
China: 8
Taiwan: 4
Czech Republic: 3
Croatia: 1
Serbia: 3
Thailand: locals-3 expat/local-3
Belarus: 5

I never saw as many 7-stone, deformed, hideous, tiny goblin-men with as many comparatively smoking hot women as in China. They were all rich as fuck. Fair enough, I say. Gotta be smart to get those dorras.

[Copperfish23]

LOS ANGELES - 1.5
SAN FRANCISCO - 1
SAN DIEGO - 2.5
LAS VEGAS - 3
MEXICO - 4
HONDURAS - 4
ARGENTINA - 3
CHILE - 4
COLOMBIA - 4.5
BRAZIL - 5
VENEZUELA - 4

[Pokerbaby]

Toronto -1 ( i don't have any close friend who isn't dating at least 3 points lower than him, it's an epidemic here),
St Louis 3
Poland 5
Portugal 3
Spain 3
Netherlands 3
Sweden 2 ( although there are a lot of ugly minorities dating up)
Germany 3
Cuba 5 (though it's usually about money in some way).

[iknowexactly]

Philippines 3.5
Ukraine 4

The top 2-3% of Filipino men are very Alpha and quite tall, maybe 6'0" - 6'1" and they are slim and graceful if young.

The 9+ usually have one of the elegant looking tall young men.

In Ukraine, the younger generation of men seemed more charming and less rigid than the older guys. There was still a high proportion with some kind of low grade malnutrition. The upper middle class young guys you see tooling around on mountain bikes, looking more relaxed and intelligent.

[The Llort]

(10-15-2014 03:24 AM)bounce Wrote:  

If it is common to date up in a country, it would seem to be less desirable for an attractive man to travel to said country in order to find women, and the other way around.

If men date up, it simply means that chicks value other things besides appearance.

In other words, it would not be beneficial for a good looking guy to travel to a "busted dude friendly country" if their only value is their looks. All things being equal, the more attractive of otherwise equal dudes might give an extra point (at best) in this type of country.

Interesting theory, and I'm inclined to agree with ya.

I've known a few young good-looking guys who really struggled in Ukraine/Russia, despite doing well in the West. I think the women there are legit threatened by a good looking man.

It makes me wonder though...what are the best spots for a mid-20s guy who looks like a slimmer version of Thor? Not bragging...that's just what I look like.

SEA is an obvious destination. That's where I live now and it's pretty fucking easy.

But looking towards greener pastures...Colombia or Brazil perhaps?

[whoisGalt]

American South: 3*
*+.5 if they met in college or before and married early
-.5 if they met after that.
It tends to average out. However, due to obesity the average is a .5-1.0 pt less than most non-Anglo white countries I've visited.

[Skank_Hunt]

Quick update:

UK: 1
US: 1-3.5 (too big a country depending on area. Areas of South/East e.g. TX, TN, KY, AR, LA, WV are where "how the hell did Cleetus manage to date Bobbi Jo)
Germany: 2.5 (local guys dating foreign girls increases the rating e.g. guy with nice south american girl)
Spain: 2
France: 2.5
Poland: 5 (would give more if I could)

[JimBobsCooters]

For mine...

Russia - 5 - Part of it is that an attractive male in Russia is a very different stereotype to in the west, part of it is that the women are just much better looking in general but I've never been to a place where the average variance is higher. If you're 5'11 or taller, broad shouldered and bald, Russia is basically maximum value for your appearance, you don't even need to be in shape and in fact I'm not sure that isn't a negative a lot of the time. You also don't want to be any darker than tan white guy level because racial prejudice is strong.

Colombia - 4 - This is more to do with the men just all kind of looking the same at a solid 6 type level and the women just being so hot in general, basically there are just far more hot women than men, the women still look for good looking guys and will target them there's just a scarcity of 8+ guys to go with the 8+ women. Doesn't help that for whatever reason Colombian men are all basically 5'8 and so are the women.

Australia - 1 - At least in Perth this is the case. Women are just very ordinary in general in Australia, obesity, attitude and a lack of style is prominent, there is also a terrible ratio of men to women which gives them even more power of choice. On top of that the men take far better care of themselves than the women. Great place for a tall dark guy though as the women love the exotic factor as long as you've got the thick skin to endure that beloved Aussie racism that is just part of the culture!

Thailand/Indonesia - 3 - These two are hard to judge... wealth trumps all in these countries and if you have wealth then nothing else matters. If you remove wealth as a factor then I've rarely seen big disproportions. There are gringo chasers who value the white skin more highly than the overall aesthetics that can end up out of proportion but I'd argue there is just as many white skinned guys struck down with yellow fever to balance that out. Overall I think they both fall about where they should with the massive, if you're rich the rules don't apply disclaimer.

[StepUp]

I've traveled quite a lot but I've never seen a country where model like girls where consistently with busted dudes (unless money was involved) so no country for me is a 5.
Most girls date up especially in their late teens/early 20's or they would rather stay single.

My rating:
Ukraine: 3,5
Poland: 4
Sweden: 2
Italy: 2
Germany: 2
Switzerland: 1,5
USA: 1,5
Austria: 2

[giama]

UK really is bad, someone said minus 3 LOL

The entitlement and attitude is just awful, i recently had a convo with some of my female family members, and they basically think they dont have to work out, some are even out of shape and they think they can play men around as they see fit. They are full of mouth, back chat and over rate them selfs highly, no submission typical london women, combative, argumentative. expecting guys that are stock brokers but dont look in the mirror and ask themself why someone earning £200k a year would give them time of day. I witnessed a family memebr Arguing to their boyfriends face constantly all evening, in my head im thinking bro why the fuck do you put up with this type of woman? Shit tests and challenging behaviour, London men enable this behaviour.

And they laugh at the "submissive" women that i deal with, that look better then them. The entitlement that they have is sickening tbh, but i laugh it off, not my problem.

I really know where to focus my energies when picking women, a lot of women have this mindset, i avoid them completely.

I obviously dont go full red pill on them as no point. There behaviour is enabled because a lot of male 8s in london will date females 6s and then both parties begin to think this is the norm. I see it so much around me with friends here, they are content with being in relationships with women below themself in looks, in a market favoured to women.

Some of the girls who dont look good, are atleast pulling in decent salary, but there are examples of ones that are out of shape, pulling no money into the relationship and play the house wife. I dont understand the incentive for the guy.

They dont realise this is a bad market for them dating wise. And there also marrying them in a lot of cases.

In London actual dating/relationship , id say its roughly
30% of time the guy is 2 levels better then the girl
40% of time guy is 1 level better then girl
20% of time its about even
10% of time the girl is better looking then the guy
1% of time the guy is punching above 2 levels above his weight


The issue with london is lack of competition frankly, Due to
-No Latin Community (no Puerto Ricans, No Dominicans, No Cubans etc)
- No hot oriental girls ( i was in vegas and was shocked at the amount of hot bangable/wifeable phillipino women around with nice petite bodies, i dont see that here.
-The Yardie influence on London urban culture (basically its considered cool to be somewhat rude, combative, standoffish, hard faced), oppose to the sweeter islands of Martinique, Guadeloupe where it appears the women are reared to be sweet. Jamaican culture has underestimated influence in London.
-The native english (anglo saxon) are not very good looking people for the most part. There plain, The french in france look better and classier.
- A lot of Indian and Pakistani, who are largely out of bounds inside London. Some hot ones but is it worth your life? Smash if you get a discreet chance.
- Mixed race girls think there gods gift or overestimate there value.
- Black girls provide ok value if you get one with the right upbringing
- Eastern European, not my thing but there is loads of them here and they look better then the english londoners.
-Generally across all races women are not very feminine here, you dont see enough heels unless you no where to go.
-Dreary Weather, (grey a lot of the year no incentive to have a bikini body)
-Food, the food is kind of weak here, Young urban londoners grew up on a diet of greasy chicken, and late night kebabs, its ok for the boys who work out, but the girls it will stick.
- Too much access to money £70 a week just to sign a register, plus free house if you get impregnated. Dont need a man, so no incentive to look good to find a decent man.

The women that are genuine 8s and 9s can grab the whole game by the balls and milk the city for big money if they are smart

75% of my friends that are in long term relationships have a girl at least 2 points below them. The other 25% are about evenly kilted.

I had a friend once that routinely dated women about 4 levels below him, everyone used to clown him, as he got the most female attention out of all our group, but would end up entertaining and wifing 3s, 4s and 5s. I guess he didnt want the challenge of a 7 or 8

Right now im honing in on attractive black single female university educated professionals aged 28-31

Their mind is right, they know their time is ticking, they comply if you have the right setting and presence, they recognise a quality guy, there in shape and have their own paper and are down for you, and they look good too, strong 6s and weak 7s (6s who blossomed into arguable 7s with maintenance) so they dont have that im the hottest girl mentality, they look pretty good and still worked hard in life. Which is a recipe for a woman who will listen and take instruction.

I have a nice rotation of those right now. Wifing one up would just not provide value. Im easily a 7 so unless i get a 8 or 9 in the UK i see no value in having 1 woman. When i can juggle strong 6/weak 7s all day

Id rather just build my empire up and then later leverage and get a strong 8, 9 from a Spanish Caribbean island, or a strong 7 from the UK that is like 10% bi, overall im just not a one woman guy, and i refuse to be one to appease a woman or expectations.