[Roosh]

LostGringo...

[MiXX]

So in other words; looking like an old, morbidly obese copy of Mr. T who needs to buy female attention in Latvia is more desirable by local females than the mysterious, GQ suited up and physically fit playboy from <insert Tier 1 US city> with discreet, and subtle touches of class?

I guess America is the same way......back in 1984!!

Next you'll be telling me that as a Latin man, I need to go to Latvia looking like the 1983 version of Al Pacino in Scarface with a hairy chest, gold chains and a Cuban mafia accent.


I Guess so according to G, and you posting this..

Mixx

[ManAbout]

For most guys on here, i.e those in their late 20s, 30s etc. Toronto is a 2.

But, I find for younger guys, i.e those in high school and early 20s, it can be a 4. Depending on your style.

A lot of younger girls here really love the gangsta, bad boy, hip hop type of guys. They go for guys in baggy shirts and pants half way down their knees. So, if you can pull of a poor girls Chris Brown, you can get some fine looking girls.

I have seen some ugly ass Tamil dudes here with fine white girls.

[Peoloom]

(07-27-2011 08:49 AM)MiXX Wrote:  

So in other words; looking like an old, morbidly obese copy of Mr. T who needs to buy female attention in Latvia is more desirable by local females than the mysterious, GQ suited up and physically fit playboy from <insert Tier 1 US city> with discreet, and subtle touches of class?

LostGringo has it 100% correct. A "GQ suited up and physically fit playboy" isn't going to pay the bills and take a girl shopping -- at most, a girl could expect free drinks for a night or two before he flies home. What's worse,
being seen with 3-4 of these types over the course of a year in a city of 600,000 is social suicide.

Latvian girls are looking for sugar daddy types: old (60+) Western Europeans whose money can't buy them hot chicks at home anymore and are looking to plant some roots, or the local meathead named Oleg who gets a call twice a week at 2am and has to leave for a few hours but otherwise ostensibly doesn't have a job.

[MiXX]

(07-27-2011 12:22 PM)Peoloom Wrote:  

LostGringo has it 100% correct. A "GQ suited up and physically fit playboy" isn't going to pay the bills and take a girl shopping -- at most, a girl could expect free drinks for a night or two before he flies home. What's worse,
being seen with 3-4 of these types over the course of a year in a city of 600,000 is social suicide.

Latvian girls are looking for sugar daddy types: old (60+) Western Europeans whose money can't buy them hot chicks at home anymore and are looking to plant some roots, or the local meathead named Oleg who gets a call twice a week at 2am and has to leave for a few hours but otherwise ostensibly doesn't have a job.

If I were to post a picture of a an old whale here and tell you guys she pays all my bills, would you socially accept me?

Being seen with a well dressed, stylish playboy is social suicide, but being seen with fat, bald Olaf who thinks he looks good in a Speedo is not?

Latvian girls are seriously fucked up in the head.

What makes them so sure Olaf will pay the bills abd take them shopping and nit just fuck them and move on to the next girl who believes that shit?

If I were Olaf, I'd exploit that ass-backwards mentality and leave ''em fir the next after a few fucks without paying shit.

Mixx

[Roosh]

Quote:

being seen with 3-4 of these types over the course of a year in a city of 600,000 is social suicide.

I'd like to know what is social achievement by your definition. Getting with some local dude who still lives with his parents?

[Luckystar]

(07-27-2011 12:22 PM)Peoloom Wrote:  

(07-27-2011 08:49 AM)MiXX Wrote:  

So in other words; looking like an old, morbidly obese copy of Mr. T who needs to buy female attention in Latvia is more desirable by local females than the mysterious, GQ suited up and physically fit playboy from <insert Tier 1 US city> with discreet, and subtle touches of class?

LostGringo has it 100% correct. A "GQ suited up and physically fit playboy" isn't going to pay the bills and take a girl shopping -- at most, a girl could expect free drinks for a night or two before he flies home. What's worse,
being seen with 3-4 of these types over the course of a year in a city of 600,000 is social suicide.

Latvian girls are looking for sugar daddy types: old (60+) Western Europeans whose money can't buy them hot chicks at home anymore and are looking to plant some roots, or the local meathead named Oleg who gets a call twice a week at 2am and has to leave for a few hours but otherwise ostensibly doesn't have a job.

I don't know why this is news to anyone. Eastern European, more notably Russian women, have a long standing reputation for being very cold blooded and materialistic ( a guy wearing designer gear is going to get more noticed than the good looking counterpart). Others, are looking for stability (ie. sponsorship or Oleg the meathead). Anyway you cut it, $$$ is very important to them in one form or another. I am generalizing of course...I know there are some genuine girls as well (...I've met a few).

Can't wait to hear the over-intellectualization ad nausem about the merits of EE girls...

[Moma]

(07-27-2011 03:20 PM)Luckystar Wrote:  

I don't know why this is news to anyone. Eastern European, more notably Russian women, have a long standing reputation for being very cold blooded and materialistic ( a guy wearing designer gear is going to get more noticed than the good looking counterpart). Others, are looking for stability (ie. sponsorship or Oleg the meathead). Anyway you cut it, $$$ is very important to them in one form or another. I am generalizing of course...I know there are some genuine girls as well (...I've met a few).

Can't wait to hear the over-intellectualization ad nausem about the merits of EE girls...

To add to things, Luckystar, it's not even an Eastern European thing, it's a human thing. If a woman is poor, she is going for the highest return on her investments. She knows that her main (and sometimes sole) bargaining chip are her looks and these have a time stamp on them.

She can get dyck anytime she wants, why does she want to waste time on some drink buying GQ playboy?

She goes for economic stability. It doesn't matter how good Oleg can fcuk, because a bone curdling orgasm doesn't compensate for food in the stomach, clothes on the back, electricity in the home.

These are real things that one CANNOT live without. An orgasm can be self engaged with a dildo or a showerhead but cash in the bank cannot be fantasised. A hard reality.

I've seen these things in many 3rd world countries so whenever I travel, I already have my radar set on high. It is not colour specific either.

It's the same reason you have trim young Cubans banging old, fat unattractive broads. It's either that or they sit in a third world country waiting for an attractive dame available to be swept off of her feet (not bloody likely)

[Luckystar]

(07-27-2011 03:44 PM)Moma Wrote:  

(07-27-2011 03:20 PM)Luckystar Wrote:  

I don't know why this is news to anyone. Eastern European, more notably Russian women, have a long standing reputation for being very cold blooded and materialistic ( a guy wearing designer gear is going to get more noticed than the good looking counterpart). Others, are looking for stability (ie. sponsorship or Oleg the meathead). Anyway you cut it, $$$ is very important to them in one form or another. I am generalizing of course...I know there are some genuine girls as well (...I've met a few).

Can't wait to hear the over-intellectualization ad nausem about the merits of EE girls...

To add to things, Luckystar, it's not even an Eastern European thing, it's a human thing. If a woman is poor, she is going for the highest return on her investments. She knows that her main (and sometimes sole) bargaining chip are her looks and these have a time stamp on them.

She can get dyck anytime she wants, why does she want to waste time on some drink buying GQ playboy?

She goes for economic stability. It doesn't matter how good Oleg can fcuk, because a bone curdling orgasm doesn't compensate for food in the stomach, clothes on the back, electricity in the home.

These are real things that one CANNOT live without. An orgasm can be self engaged with a dildo or a showerhead but cash in the bank cannot be fantasised. A hard reality.

I've seen these things in many 3rd world countries so whenever I travel, I already have my radar set on high. It is not colour specific either.

It's the same reason you have trim young Cubans banging old, fat unattractive broads. It's either that or they sit in a third world country waiting for an attractive dame available to be swept off of her feet (not bloody likely)

Different cultures have different ways of dealing with economic instability.

Let's get real here - Eastern Europe isn't the third world. Huge distinction between being poor and living in poverty. Even a good looking, poor girl in India (some do exist), does not possess the same cut throat mentality. They may prostitute themselves to survive, but not for a higher standard of living like a disproportionate amount of EE/Russian girls do. Truly impoverished people are look for 'any' rate of return, not 'supplemental' return. That Gucci belt that catches a Russian girl's eye, would be unrecognizable to that Indian girl.

I don't want to get hijack the thread with topic...All I'm saying is that not all motives of EE girls are about 'basic' needs. I think that's a fair assessment.

[MiXX]

I agree with Luckystar on this one Moma. These Russian or EE girls are not looking to get out of poverty much like a starving, dirt poor girl in Colombia would. Russia is 10x more developed and economically at a higher advantage than Colombia, Ecuador or Honduras.

These Russian girls are looking for the designer clothes, and designer handbags and 90k Euro Cars. I hardly call that looking to survive, more like willing to fuck (prostitute) disgusting, filthy swine for a bloody Gucci or Coach handbag and a ride in his luxury car to be "seen".

Mixx

[Mr.GM]

(07-27-2011 05:58 PM)MiXX Wrote:  

I agree with Luckystar on this one Moma. These Russian or EE girls are not looking to get out of poverty much like a starving, dirt poor girl in Colombia would. Russia is 10x more developed and economically at a higher advantage than Colombia, Ecuador or Honduras.

These Russian girls are looking for the designer clothes, and designer handbags and 90k Euro Cars. I hardly call that looking to survive, more like willing to fuck (prostitute) disgusting, filthy swine for a bloody Gucci or Coach handbag and a ride in his luxury car to be "seen".

Mixx

I would say that in Brasil is the same as in Russia,unless you are a pig and willing to hit favela girls.

[rudebwoy]

I guess the countries that have a shortage of men would make it easier for a guy to date up. I know in Poland alot of men go overseas for work in construction, so that must change the social dynamics in that country. Compare that to UK/CAN/USA where a large number of women are overweight, which leaves men competing for the nice slim ones. Broad generalization I know, but surely this must explain there entitlement.

[UgSlayer]

(07-27-2011 02:53 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Quote:

being seen with 3-4 of these types over the course of a year in a city of 600,000 is social suicide.

I'd like to know what is social achievement by your definition. Getting with some local dude who still lives with his parents?

[Kish]

(07-27-2011 07:08 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

I guess the countries that have a shortage of men would make it easier for a guy to date up. I know in Poland alot of men go overseas for work in construction, so that must change the social dynamics in that country. Compare that to UK/CAN/USA where a large number of women are overweight, which leaves men competing for the nice slim ones. Broad generalization I know, but surely this must explain there entitlement.

[Excelsior]

(07-27-2011 05:58 PM)MiXX Wrote:  

I agree with Luckystar on this one Moma. These Russian or EE girls are not looking to get out of poverty much like a starving, dirt poor girl in Colombia would. Russia is 10x more developed and economically at a higher advantage than Colombia, Ecuador or Honduras.

These Russian girls are looking for the designer clothes, and designer handbags and 90k Euro Cars. I hardly call that looking to survive, more like willing to fuck (prostitute) disgusting, filthy swine for a bloody Gucci or Coach handbag and a ride in his luxury car to be "seen".

Mixx

Interesting that this discussion has come up again regarding eastern European women. I think we spoke about it before in a thread about Ukraine, where we concluded that it was really a matter of primary needs vs. secondary needs.

Most women desire primary needs to some extent. The love of secondary needs is the mark of the golddigger. I think that Luckystar and MiXX are right on this one, though I'd still say that American women take the cake when it comes to raw materialism (makes sense, living in the world's most consumerist society).

[K-man]

(07-27-2011 08:49 AM)MiXX Wrote:  

So in other words; looking like an old, morbidly obese copy of Mr. T who needs to buy female attention in Latvia is more desirable by local females than the mysterious, GQ suited up and physically fit playboy from <insert Tier 1 US city> with discreet, and subtle touches of class?

The playboy will get a lot of attention and a lot of ass. But it may not be the 9's and the 10's - rather, the 6-8's.

As I wrote on another thread, the top lookers are not just born this way, it takes a lot of investment and maintenance. To look like a Fashion TV girl you need make-up, hairdo, clothes, shoes, handbags, perfumes... And they certainly can't pay for all of this themselves, not with the 300, 500, or even 1000 EUR they earn a month - if they even work at all, what with all the partying.
It takes either a rich daddy, or ... a sugar daddy.

Without the sugar daddy, the 9-10 girl will quickly devolve back to 7-8 when she get no longer afford to go the salon, boutique, and cosmethologist/plastic surgeon. The playboy who pumps-and-dumps her is of just passing value; the sugar daddy has staying power as long as he provides.
The exception may be the rich girls who are just looking to party. I think they are the G Manifesto's favorite.

[YoungGunner]

Canada (Montreal): 3-4
Spain (Barcelona): 3
Canary Islands (Las Palmas): 3-4
Japan: 4-5
Austria (Vienna):4
UK (London): 2

[Peoloom]

(07-27-2011 12:49 PM)MiXX Wrote:  

Being seen with a well dressed, stylish playboy is social suicide, but being seen with fat, bald Olaf who thinks he looks good in a Speedo is not?

As a girl, being seen to frequently fuck around with tourists who are only in town for a few days is social suicide, yeah. Is that not true for basically everywhere?

[MiXX]

(07-30-2011 06:17 AM)Peoloom Wrote:  

(07-27-2011 12:49 PM)MiXX Wrote:  

Being seen with a well dressed, stylish playboy is social suicide, but being seen with fat, bald Olaf who thinks he looks good in a Speedo is not?

As a girl, being seen to frequently fuck around with tourists who are only in town for a few days is social suicide, yeah. Is that not true for basically everywhere?

You're female?? How come we have not seen a picture of you? It's the forum rules for all females.



So, how would anyone know by looks alone the playboy suited up in your arm is a passing tourist? Even if he looks obviously foreigner, he could be there as a new business owner.

Women pay way too much attention to what others think who themselves mean nothing in their lives. I respect a woman that calls her own shots and is not seeking worthless peer approval. It's called being an alpha-female.

Think Beyonce gives a fuck she chose the ugliest guy of her social circle to be with? Or Janet Jackson marrying a no-name Mexican man for 13 years that nobody has ever heard of? Those are alpha females.


Mixx

[beta_plus]

Canada: 1
Ontario: 0

[nmmoooreland20]

I’m not sure I’ve been to a country where I’ve seen more beta & ugly dudes with hot girls than HK / China. More specific to the local population than foreignors though.

[teras]

Japan- 2-3 if Asian, 4-5 if white/black/Latin
New Zealand- 2-3
Pacific Northwest- 2
East Coast U.S.- 1
Morocco- 3
Spain- 2
Italy- 2
France- 3
Israel- 2

[MrM27]

UK - 2
Ireland - 2
France - 4
Spain - 3
Bulgaria - 4
Russia - 5
Argentina - 3
Canada - 2 (only because of Quebec)
US -2
US (old south) - 3.5

I consider the American South the US equivalent of Eastern Europe where I constanlty think "How'd Cletus get Bobbi Jo to be his wife?".

[InternationalSwagger]

Croatia - 2

@ Kman - I saw a lot of dudes like the guy you posted from Bulgaria in Vodice, Croatia...Tons of Roided out Meat-Heads with tight speedo shorts walking around day and night with fanny packs even at the clubs! No lie lol. Data Sheet for Vodice, Croatia and Hvar Dropping Tonight...Good information and the Chicks were amazing!

[MiXX]

(08-01-2011 09:52 PM)InternationalSwagger Wrote:  

Croatia - 2

@ Kman - I saw a lot of dudes like the guy you posted from Bulgaria in Vodice, Croatia...Tons of Roided out Meat-Heads with tight speedo shorts walking around day and night with fanny packs even at the clubs! No lie lol. Data Sheet for Vodice, Croatia and Hvar Dropping Tonight...Good information and the Chicks were amazing!

Who the fuck told these guys that wearing a fanny pack is cool? Seriously, I see that shit in Colombia too. Guys wearing fanny packs....WTF????

Mixx