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09-01-2016, 01:36 PM
rw95,
Agreed.
The current consensus among the Alt-right is that we first must limit immigration from black and brown people, and then see what to do next.
Some call for outright elimination of Irish, Catholics, and Jews. Others call for limiting their political power. Others are completely unconcerned.
But we all agree about the blacks and browns first.
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The Stefan Molyneux Thread
09-01-2016, 05:52 PM
If you're going to cite Vox Day, cite him accurately.
He would never agree with, "Because nations belong to their founding stock, they should therefore ONLY be populated by their founding stock."
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The Stefan Molyneux Thread
09-01-2016, 06:04 PM
Accurate would be either a video recording if him saying it, a link and a direct quote, or audio of him saying that.
Can you produce either?
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"I'm open to any contrasting words from Vox Day, if you can find them."
Check you out. First you attribute an idea directly to him, and then you ask other people to disprove your attribution.
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The Stefan Molyneux Thread
09-01-2016, 06:13 PM
6 of Vox Day's 16 points of the alt-right:
5.The Alt Right is openly and avowedly nationalist. It supports all nationalisms and the right of all nations to exist, homogeneous and unadulterated by foreign invasion and immigration.
9.The Alt Right believes identity > culture > politics.
10.The Alt Right is opposed to the rule or domination of any native ethnic group by another, particularly in the sovereign homelands of the dominated peoples. The Alt Right is opposed to any non-native ethnic group obtaining excessive influence in any society through nepotism, tribalism, or any other means.
11.The Alt Right understands that diversity + proximity = war.
12.The Alt Right doesn't care what you think of it.
16.The Alt Right is a philosophy that values peace among the various nations of the world and opposes wars to impose the values of one nation upon another as well as efforts to exterminate individual nations through war, genocide, immigration, or genetic assimilation.
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The Stefan Molyneux Thread
09-01-2016, 06:20 PM
And yet none of those points directly state, "Nations belong to their founding stock, and therefore should ONLY be populated by their founding stock."
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The Stefan Molyneux Thread
09-01-2016, 06:30 PM
"Because nations belong to their founding stock, they should therefore ONLY be populated by their founding stock.""
"Sounds mighty accurate to me. I think Roissy would agree too. I am of course, open to any contrasting words from Vox Day, if you can find them."
Wait a second. I called you out on telling these same stupid lies a day ago, and you complained it was off-topic and asked to take it to PM!
Now you're back, telling the same lies, less than 24 hours later?
It's not like Vox Day doesn't make enough controversial statements to begin with. Why do you have such a problem with telling the truth?
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The Stefan Molyneux Thread
09-01-2016, 06:34 PM
Attributing a direct statement to someone else isn't "reading between the lines". It's lying.
@SamuelBRoberts - It is somewhat funny that Lying RW95 is using blatant lies against Vox Day readers. That man has taught me so much about spotting lies and dealing with liars.
It's ten times funnier if he's either black or brown, for obvious reasons.
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09-02-2016, 09:05 AM
-Definition of homogeneous: of the same kind, alike,
or
consisting of parts all of the same kind
Unadulterated by foreign invasion or immigration.
Without taking racial minorities into account, what did large-scale immigration from southern, eastern and Catholic Europe do to the country. It changed the country. Adulterated the stock, and therefore the country. Destroyed the formerly homogeneous character of the country, which was northern and western European protestants. The alt-right is opposed to this adulteration along racial and ethnic lines.
Diversity+proxmity=war. As we have seen throughout history, this is true not only along racial lines, but along ethnic lines within races (the Irish and Italian gangs, for example). How do we avoid this? By not having these groups together, obviously.
The alt-right is [opposed to] genetic assimilation. Ergo against interracial mixing AND interethnic mixing. Whenever you have two populations sharing a common area, some mixing will inevitably take place, no matter how large or small the other group is. Laws can be put into place to prevent this, but even then, as we have seen in the past, these do not have a 100% effectiveness. Therefore, the only logical way to prevent genetic assimilation, along racial or ethnic grounds , is to have a 100% monoethnic, monoracial society.
And SamuelBRoberts, I messaged you and had hoped to carry on our conversation. You never responded.
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The Stefan Molyneux Thread
09-02-2016, 09:23 AM
rw95,
Is Japan ethnically homogenous? Google some statistics on Japanese demography, and then answer Yes or No.
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The Stefan Molyneux Thread
09-02-2016, 09:41 AM
Japan is 98.5% ethnically Japanese.
Is anything I have said technically incorrect or incompatible with the tenets I have cited as they currently stand?
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The Stefan Molyneux Thread
09-02-2016, 10:14 AM
rw95,
I know Japan is 98.5% ethnically Japanese, but what I asked you was, "Is Japan ethnically homogenous?"
When someone asks you a Yes/No question, you should reply with a Yes or a No.
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09-02-2016, 10:40 AM
And I have asked you a yes or no question as well.
If we want to get absolutely anal about it, technically no.
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09-02-2016, 10:48 AM
Quote: (09-02-2016 10:40 AM)rw95 Wrote:
If we want to get absolutely anal about it, technically no.
I'm going to ask you to pick one of the following options. Please pick one, without dodging.
Which of these is the more racist position?
(1) The fact that Japan is 98.5% ethnically Japanese, coupled with the fact that racial minorities in Japan have no political power, is good enough for the nation of Japan. So Japan is sufficiently racially homogenous, despite not being 100.0% Japanese.
(2) It doesn't matter than the 1.5% of non-ethnically Japanese people in Japan have no political power. Their very presence in Japan is offensive, and they should be removed. Only 100.0% racial homogeneity is real racial homogeneity!
Again, pick the one that's more racist.
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The Stefan Molyneux Thread
09-02-2016, 11:18 AM
Comparably speaking, position 1.
But do the tenets of the alt-right not leave position 2 to be a plausible option, depending on interpretation?
Still haven't answered my question I see.
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The Stefan Molyneux Thread
09-02-2016, 11:38 AM
The first position welcomes people who don't share the ethnicity of the founding stock. The second position permanently refuses to welcome people who don't share the ethnicity of the founding stock.
But you think the first position is more racist than the second?
Justify your answer.
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09-02-2016, 11:47 AM
Quote: (09-02-2016 11:18 AM)rw95 Wrote:
But do the tenets of the alt-right not leave position 2 to be a plausible option, depending on interpretation?
No, they don't.
The tenets of the Alt-Right are position one, which is clearly less racist than position two.
You were caught lying that, "according to Vox Day, (he believes in position two)". When you were caught lying, you didn't apologize. Instead, you said you were "reading between the lines".
When I asked you whether Japan was ethnically homogenous, you said "technically, no" - which is a perfect match to the highly racist second position.
Then you lied by saying that position one is more racist than position two. And this lie attempted to mask the facts that: (1) You adopted the racist position two in regard to Japan, and (2) When you attempted to "read between the lines", you accused Vox Day (who believes in position one) of believing in position two.
Since you believe in position two regarding Japan, then you injected position two into Vox's position one. To inject your item beliefs into someone else, while denying that they're your beliefs is called PROJECTION.
Vox wrote a wonderful book called "SJWs Always Lie". It's first law is that SJWs Always Lie. It's second law is that SJWs Always Project.
Let's see if you'll follow the third law.
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The Stefan Molyneux Thread
09-02-2016, 11:53 AM
Excuse me. For some reason, I misread your first question as choose the one which is less racist. I openly acknowledge my error.
Yes, option 2 is more racist than option 1. I will however, stand by my assertion that the tenets of the alt-right leave option 2 as a plausible course of action if a nation so desires.
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The Stefan Molyneux Thread
09-02-2016, 12:10 PM
Here's how I would establish that position 1 could lead to position 2: Sit quietly for six months, and track whether any position 1 individual has switched to position 2.
You're foregoing the research in order to state your opinion about other people's behavior. That's what a Liar or a Projector would do.
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The Stefan Molyneux Thread
09-02-2016, 12:13 PM
What research have I forgone? I am not saying that position 2 WILL happen. What I am saying is that position 2 could in theory happen, while not going against any of the alt-right's positions.
I no longer wish to take this thread any further off topic. If you so desire, my offer given to SamuelBRoberts is given freely to you as well, if you wish to continue this conversation via private message.
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The Stefan Molyneux Thread
09-02-2016, 12:49 PM
It's incredibly weak to say an extremely racist position COULD HAPPEN. Especially when you have no evidence that it HAS HAPPENED. And especially after you lied about Vox Day possessing that opinion.