[BortimusPrime]

(05-17-2016 08:25 PM)Sidney Crosby Wrote:  

Not saying he didn't make stuff up and copy/paste, but I'm surprised a guy would go through all the time and effort. His intent must have been to make money off the community by starting some blog or selling some ebooks, otherwise I just don't get it.

Narcissistic Supply. Go check the "How long is it?" thread if you doubt the desire to make oneself look like a big man on the internet.

[Travesty]

I Skyped with NASA a few months after he joined the forum.

Look back I gave his first rep point and gave him advice about the forum culture and how the membership works.

He said he thought after reading that many guys here didn't have what it takes for naval combat and definitely not for space travel.

I guess he was right.

[MiscBrah]

BREAKING NEWS: NASA TEST PILOT RELEASES A STATEMENT

"What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitches? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fuckers. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggots. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your lives. You’re fucking dead, kids. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable asses off the face of the continent, you little shits. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comments was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongues. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiots. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, phaggots."

[Pyrrhic victory]

Very disappointing. There is a difference between slightly changing details to cover identity for security reasons vs blatant plagiarism / misrepresentation.

I would be interested to see what NASAs rebuttal will be to all of this. Maybe there is an explanation however it looks bleak at best as of now.

[alphaspiraton]

(05-17-2016 08:36 PM)thoughtgypsy Wrote:  

(05-17-2016 08:26 PM)alphaspiraton Wrote:  

The person that NTP needs to make an apology to is oneeyedjack. He gifted ~$1500 ($21(?)x75 gold memberships), or something to that degree, to the forum directly as a result of advice received from NTP. Now if it turned out that this advice that was provided was simply available on Wikipedia, do you think that oneeyedjack would be too pleased? I do not think so. I agree with other posters that this member, NTP, is a liability, not asset to the forum and anything shy of a ban will not reflect too well on the credibility of this forum.

That is what makes many of us so confused over this whole thing. Apparently oneeyedjack offered to give NASA Test Pilot that money, but NTP refused it and asked oneeyedjack to pay it forward to the community. It is not congruent with someone who would be selfish. I think that's why many are giving him the benefit of the doubt that would not be extended to others under similar circumstances. Again, all we can do is wait until NTP provides a response, otherwise everything is just speculation.

One theory (highly speculative) I can put forward is that perhaps he felt too guilty accepting a large sum of money in exchange for work that he had passed on as his own, and he figured he was doing the right thing to pass it forward. I know that if someone were to offer me money for my contributions I would definitely accept and say thank you with a big smile.

[Tex]

This thread is looking more and more like that scene in Reservoir Dogs where they debate on whether or not Mr. Orange is an undercover cop.



Except Mr. Orange never used Art of War quotes.

[Rocha]

(05-17-2016 09:04 PM)Travesty Wrote:  

I Skyped with NASA a few months after he joined the forum.

Look back I gave his first rep point and gave him advice about the forum culture and how the membership works.

He said he thought after reading that many guys here didn't have what it takes for naval combat and definitely not for space travel.

I guess he was right.

Quite a statement for someone who has met no one. The guy must also have sensorial superpowers.

[Fortis]

(05-17-2016 09:12 PM)Rocha Wrote:  

(05-17-2016 09:04 PM)Travesty Wrote:  

I Skyped with NASA a few months after he joined the forum.

Look back I gave his first rep point and gave him advice about the forum culture and how the membership works.

He said he thought after reading that many guys here didn't have what it takes for naval combat and definitely not for space travel.

I guess he was right.

Quite a statement for someone who has met no one. The guy must also have sensorial superpowers.

Did NASA say he traveled to outerspace?

[philosophical_recovery]

(05-17-2016 09:12 PM)Rocha Wrote:  

(05-17-2016 09:04 PM)Travesty Wrote:  

I Skyped with NASA a few months after he joined the forum.

Look back I gave his first rep point and gave him advice about the forum culture and how the membership works.

He said he thought after reading that many guys here didn't have what it takes for naval combat and definitely not for space travel.

I guess he was right.

Quite a statement for someone who has met no one. The guy must also have sensorial superpowers.

[weambulance]

(05-17-2016 09:04 PM)Travesty Wrote:  

I Skyped with NASA a few months after he joined the forum.

Look back I gave his first rep point and gave him advice about the forum culture and how the membership works.

He said he thought after reading that many guys here didn't have what it takes for naval combat and definitely not for space travel.

I guess he was right.

I don't even understand what you're trying to say, given the point of the thread.

I've been fairly critical of NTP's behavior, which I will retract if he can (somehow) prove he is not a plagiarist. I am a combat veteran. How are these two things related?

[Mercenary]

(05-17-2016 08:21 PM)thoughtgypsy Wrote:  

(05-17-2016 07:05 PM)Mercenary Wrote:  

I asked in a respectful way, I expected a polite answer.
There's no need to have a temper tantrum.

You pointed the finger at me in a clearly accusatory tone, hoping to draw the lynch mob my way. You did it passive aggressively in the Buddhism thread, but this time was worse. If you wanted to ask me respectfully, a PM would have sufficed. You did not take that route. You wanted to make a spectacle of it to big yourself up.

You openly disrespected me by publicly gaslighting me, then demanded that I explain myself. That is how someone talks to a child. That is not how someone talks to someone they respect. If you are going to treat me with that level of disrespect, do not be surprised if I return the favor. Don't try to slink out of it passive aggressively after you've been caught in the act.

I don't believe in hiding behind PM's like NASA does.
What i ask, I ask publically and politely.
I did not demand anything.
I think it's best if we keep emotional outbursts in check.
We are not women after all.

It's very convenient for guys like NASA to claim he's "out to sea" every time he gets called out on his incredible stories and then comes back 10 days later with 3 page long word salad pm's that don't answer basic questions like what year and which location he was in China in the 1960s/1970s.

You and me and everyone here is better than that.
We can answer basic questions with good short polite answers.

[Anabasis to Desta]

(05-17-2016 09:04 PM)Travesty Wrote:  

I Skyped with NASA a few months after he joined the forum.

Look back I gave his first rep point and gave him advice about the forum culture and how the membership works.

He said he thought after reading that many guys here didn't have what it takes for naval combat and definitely not for space travel.

I guess he was right.

What did he sound/look like?
What else did you guys talk about?
Any red flags? As in ... based on the Skype convo, do you have any reason to believe the massive allegations against him could be true?
Did you see his dick?

[churros]

NASA mentioned in his test-pilot data sheet that compressing large amounts of reading material was part of his job. It is theoretically possible that such copying was merely his way of reproducing information, and he overlooked the copyright norms of the web. That would fit with him being an older dude.

On the other hand, the stuff in the Buddhism thread is borderline G-manifesto.

[Travesty]

(05-17-2016 09:24 PM)Anabasis to Desta Wrote:  

Did you see his dick?

Finally the answer as to why you are so passionate about this thread.

[cascadecombo]

(05-17-2016 09:24 PM)Anabasis to Desta Wrote:  

Did you see his dick?

Really taking that unofficial forum title to heart ain'tcha?

[LeeEnfield303]

If he had time to post all that stuff, then he has time to come make a defense. If he doesn't, then that tells me what I need to know.

[TravelerKai]

(05-17-2016 09:22 PM)Mercenary Wrote:  

(05-17-2016 08:21 PM)thoughtgypsy Wrote:  

(05-17-2016 07:05 PM)Mercenary Wrote:  

I asked in a respectful way, I expected a polite answer.
There's no need to have a temper tantrum.

You pointed the finger at me in a clearly accusatory tone, hoping to draw the lynch mob my way. You did it passive aggressively in the Buddhism thread, but this time was worse. If you wanted to ask me respectfully, a PM would have sufficed. You did not take that route. You wanted to make a spectacle of it to big yourself up.

You openly disrespected me by publicly gaslighting me, then demanded that I explain myself. That is how someone talks to a child. That is not how someone talks to someone they respect. If you are going to treat me with that level of disrespect, do not be surprised if I return the favor. Don't try to slink out of it passive aggressively after you've been caught in the act.

I don't believe in hiding behind PM's like NASA does.
What i ask, I ask publically and politely.
I did not demand anything.
I think it's best if we keep emotional outbursts in check.
We are not women after all.

It's very convenient for guys like NASA to claim he's "out to sea" every time he gets called out on his incredible stories and then comes back 10 days later with 3 page long word salad pm's that don't answer basic questions like what year and which location he was in China in the 1960s/1970s.

You and me and everyone here is better than that.
We can answer basic questions with good short answers.

Even if he had been there illegally, the statute of limitations long expired. Anyone that taught him Buddhism would likely already be dead or damn near close to it. The CCP (Chinese Communist Party) does not even go after people that did wrong in the 70s and 60s. All that shit stopped with Deng's leadership. That shit is water under the bridge. Neither side's governments are either the same regime wise, or system wise one could argue.

[Paracelsus]

(05-17-2016 09:26 PM)Travesty Wrote:  

(05-17-2016 09:24 PM)Anabasis to Desta Wrote:  

Did you see his dick?

Finally the answer as to why you are so passionate about this thread.

The only possible solution to this crisis is verification of the originality of posts via a dick pic watermark.

[greekgod]

Never paid much attention to his posts because I've been sucked in to MAGA. The ones I have seen immediately sent up some hairs on my neck. Hmm, world class athlete, pilot, surfer, semi pro volleyball player, currency expert, sales a yatch, and oh, Dos Equis called him to take the new role as "The world's most interesting man" since the spot opened up. That why he isn't responding, he's filming a commercial.

That being said, I wrote him off 6 weeks ago when I was reading a book about CIA Dark Spaces. The book extensively covers Nellis Air Force Base which is compromised of multiple bases and has a test range for new aircraft. NASA is involved with some of these developments as well. And if I recall, they test missiles there as well. To us common day folk, its referred to as area 51. I shit you not.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nellis_Air_Force_Base

According to the book, Test Pilots are a very small community and they all know each other. If you're a test pilot for one gov't group, you're interchangable to others. Supposedly the CIA has a huge influence on the test range.

I read 200 pages in a book, didn't even finish it because it got too looney, but it made me think; wow, that NTP guy, he sure is accomplished and going out of his way to add value to people hell never meet because hes too busy doing all the aforementioned activities and interests.

But in the back of my mind something didn't sit right. This thread only confirms it deeper and that why this is some serious shit.

There are a lot of young impressionable guys in this community along with a lot of senior dudes that want to help those young guys along. They both have a ton to lose, the young guys with their future and the older dudes with what they've accomplished.

If you've ever met someone from here, 1 on 1, you know there is always a slight degree of nerves. Nonetheless, you do it and communities form. Trust and faith in the forum deepens, the internet becomes real life. That is some cool shit.

I'm very skeptical of NTP but to write him off over plagarism isn't great. However, if his motives are deeper, like exposing people or ruining the high degree of trust being built within the community, its a problem.

Imagine if some characteresque figure builds an E-Book for 0.99 cents and 500 newbie lurkers buy it. "Gee, wisdom filled old man, so cool of you to do so. There's even a chapter on how to cook fish on your sailboat while getting dome from a beautiful latina and running FOREX trades"

Said author now has your billing info and email. He knows you. Said author turns out to be a mole and three days later gawker article reads "List of misogynistic fan boys uncovered" and these kids are internet fucked.

I'm not saying this is the case but if you're putting that much effort into something, you have an end in mind and if its to amass 300 rep points then great but for someone so accomplished, seems very suspect. If you're so worldly, it will come out over time, its bound too. But if you're a "prototypical alpha" and live all the characteristics the 'sphere think are fundamental, admirable, and commendable and it turns out to be fraudulent, there are some underlying problems.

Lastly, has anyone seen my fucking tinfoil hat?

[MiscBrah]

(05-17-2016 09:24 PM)Anabasis to Desta Wrote:  

(05-17-2016 09:04 PM)Travesty Wrote:  

I Skyped with NASA a few months after he joined the forum.

Did you see his dick?

I'm interested in this as well

(05-17-2016 09:28 PM)cascadecombo Wrote:  

Really taking that unofficial forum title to heart ain'tcha?

Nope he's just a miscer

[thoughtgypsy]

(05-17-2016 09:07 PM)alphaspiraton Wrote:  

(05-17-2016 08:36 PM)thoughtgypsy Wrote:  

(05-17-2016 08:26 PM)alphaspiraton Wrote:  

The person that NTP needs to make an apology to is oneeyedjack. He gifted ~$1500 ($21(?)x75 gold memberships), or something to that degree, to the forum directly as a result of advice received from NTP. Now if it turned out that this advice that was provided was simply available on Wikipedia, do you think that oneeyedjack would be too pleased? I do not think so. I agree with other posters that this member, NTP, is a liability, not asset to the forum and anything shy of a ban will not reflect too well on the credibility of this forum.

That is what makes many of us so confused over this whole thing. Apparently oneeyedjack offered to give NASA Test Pilot that money, but NTP refused it and asked oneeyedjack to pay it forward to the community. It is not congruent with someone who would be selfish. I think that's why many are giving him the benefit of the doubt that would not be extended to others under similar circumstances. Again, all we can do is wait until NTP provides a response, otherwise everything is just speculation.

One theory (highly speculative) I can put forward is that perhaps he felt too guilty accepting a large sum of money in exchange for work that he had passed on as his own, and he figured he was doing the right thing to pass it forward. I know that if someone were to offer me money for my contributions I would definitely accept and say thank you with a big smile.

I did not write that last part, which I took the liberty of putting in bold. That part that was added is not something I agree with, as I've stated before that much of the content does look to be copy/pasted verbatim. How did that get in there? Is it something you meant to say? Did you put it in there?

What I wrote in that post:

(05-17-2016 08:36 PM)thoughtgypsy Wrote:  

That is what makes many of us so confused over this whole thing. Apparently oneeyedjack offered to give NASA Test Pilot that money, but NTP refused it and asked oneeyedjack to pay it forward to the community. It is not congruent with someone who would be selfish. I think that's why many are giving him the benefit of the doubt that would not be extended to others under similar circumstances.

[RIslander]

(05-17-2016 09:24 PM)Anabasis to Desta Wrote:  

Did you see his dick?

[Dusty]

(05-17-2016 09:24 PM)Anabasis to Desta Wrote:  

(05-17-2016 09:04 PM)Travesty Wrote:  

I Skyped with NASA a few months after he joined the forum.

Look back I gave his first rep point and gave him advice about the forum culture and how the membership works.

He said he thought after reading that many guys here didn't have what it takes for naval combat and definitely not for space travel.

I guess he was right.

What did he sound/look like?
What else did you guys talk about?
Any red flags? As in ... based on the Skype convo, do you have any reason to believe the massive allegations against him could be true?
Did you see his dick?

[Rhyme or Reason]

^ Even he can't see his dick.

[PartManPartMonkey]

Wait. Soup was outed as a fraud?

Way too much hero worship. Sorry but it was obvious from go this guy was a liar. Generally the forum's hive mind is excellent at spotting trolls and liars. But this guy did a number on you all. Hell, he posted a shirtless pic and some of you swooned.

I swear to god in his male wall swimming thread I was the only one that expressed disbelief.

Has anyone met The Lizard of Oz or Scorpion? They are easily top ten posters. Then again they don't brag about their exploits and achievments.