[CleanSlate]

Best girls in the world hands down?

Meh.

They have their plusses and minuses, just like every other ethnicity. Muslims can be more loyal relatively speaking, probably won't cheat on you, but they can be very controlling or materialistic or both. They also fall easily into feminism.

You know what's the top occupation of muslim women I've met in the west? Lawyer. So many of them become lawyers and political scientists, and sometimes put their career ahead of their families.

I believe the reason behind that is they come from a place of oppression. They're like pressure cookers. Muslim societies shame them into being "good and obedient women" with the threat of getting stoned to death if they go rogue. But if you meet a Muslim woman from majority-Muslim countries or those under Sharia Law, you face the risk of getting killed by her cousins or brothers unless you're approved by her family. Even if you do get approved and you marry this woman, you still have to decide whether to raise your family there or back in the West.

And if you decide to bring her back to the West, you remove the lid of oppression from that pressure cooker. Then what happens? BOOM. She becomes a raging feminist SJW. And you're stuck with her.

They may be very good in bed and have less tendencies to cheat, but they have plenty of downsides just like any other ethnicity. A Muslim woman who checks all the boxes and doesn't fall in line with feminism is just as rare as a white Christian woman, European woman, etc who also checks the boxes.

EDIT: One more thing. Plenty of Muslim women, particularly the Westernized ones, do slut it up because "Muslim guys have all the fun, so why can't I also?" And a Muslim-Muslim marriage is by no means a guarantee of success. I personally know of one couple who divorced after a few years. They say they just grew apart, but part of the story was that the girl kept going out with her friends, getting drunk, and coming back home really late... so I think there's more to the story than that.

Source: I come from a Muslim heritage.

[WeekendCasanova]

I dated a Muslim girl once. Jihad me at hello.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(05-11-2016 07:21 AM)soliddrink Wrote:  

Sure, in theory, if you get the true FOB Muslims who are practicing. They are beautiful, submit, are taught to be good mothers, and so on. However, like others have said, such women are generally looking for fellow Muslims. So, unless you want to become a Muslim, you are unlikely to get these women.

So, then you say "what about the secular Muslim women?" Most of those women are so undesirable it is not funny. Being a secular Muslim is associated with becoming Westernized. Dating a secular Muslim woman is like dating the absolute worst the female gender has to offer. They are the most materialistic and red-flag-laden women known to man.

I once dated a Persian girl for 6 months. I found her super sexy. Dark luxurious hair, tanned skin, feminine, etc. Her family was pretty well off. And sure, the sex was great, but damnnnnn once things got more serious, certain things she did, said and wanted she set off a bunch of red flags.
1) spoke highly of her friend who had received a rape fantasy from her bf
2) asked me to perform a rape fantasy on her (i didn't)
3) when talking in jest about me getting her a future car, a standard brand was not good enough - had to be a BMW or more
4) pointed out all of her expensive jewelry ($3k ring, $5k bracelet, etc.)
5) sent me various nude pics and vids without me asking while I was traveling on business
6) loved to get drunk
7) would go out with a gf who also would get drunk. this gf has (had?) a bf, a very well off (asian) bf who would take her all over the world. Yet, she would get drunk at clubs with my gf, make out with random dudes, let them motorboat her. My gf would come home and tell me that she was a "good girl" and would never do that.

I knew one of her Muslim gf's (also Persian) who was the same, if not worse, as my gf would tell me about her - she was gunning for my gf's brother since her gf knew their family was well off.

Just go to a hooka bar/club if you get the chance. You should encounter men going to battle over these women.

I met a few Persian girls, who actually left Islam, but instead of turning to Western materialism, they replaced it with spirituaality - meditation, yoga etc.
They were actually the best of secular girls.

I guess it depends on where the values fall after the old values are left behind.

[Phazlenut]

I like OP's enthusiasm, but I'm living in a moderately religious Muslim-majority country at the moment, and the girls are huge sloots given that they can still freely go out on their own and mingle with anyone they like.

In countries that don't have a Muslim majority like Britain, the local Muslim girls can be wild as heck given that the broader slut culture is an easy escape from the discipline and restraint at home.

I suspect in stringently religious countries like Saudi Arabia and the UAE they still have the desire to sloot it up, but the outlets are severely curtailed.

[DamienCasanova]

(05-11-2016 07:41 AM)The Black Knight Wrote:  

I find them quite explosive in bed personally.

[debeguiled]

(05-11-2016 04:01 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

Yes I'm sure that Muslim girls (actual Muslim girls as in moderately religious, not secular ones like in Bosnia) are awesome. But you could get a girl of the same quality in Latin America, Asia or Africa without needing to convert to a dangerous ideology like Islam. So why bother?

I have always been curious about the Bosnia Muslim girls. Are you saying that it is mostly pro forma for them? Are they more South Eastern European than they are Muslim?

[kaotic]

(05-11-2016 03:43 AM)Vahan Wrote:  

I've been talking to this one Muslim chick in my university. She doesn't wear hijab, comes from a chill ass family, attends parties sometimes, spend nights at her friends house, and is pretty American. Very fashionable, independent, and yada yada. Met her at a hip hop dance class.

She isn't really a muslim girl, especially if she doesn't rock a Hijab, and drinks and parties.

She's westernized, something most of us see as corrupting women from the East.

Quote:

I've become a very close friend of her (I friendzoned myself really hard..kind of on purpose cuz I just wanted to get to know her better--didn't thought I'd try to date her due to all the cultural/religious reasons etc etc).

You on purposely friend zoned a girl that you wanted to fuck ?

Quote:

So today, she told me...with great resentment...how she kissed twice (with the same guy) in life till now. And that's it. She is 22 mind you!

This is ALL she has done when it comes to "romance/sex" life...

I was like "you joking me!" and she literally sweared on "Allah" and she told me she felt really bad as to why she did it.

Now I am thinking: God why?! Why is it that it is literally impossible to find a 6/10 western girl who hasnt banged a couple of dudes at the very least--while there are Muslim girls who are absolute gems.

So you believe everything a girl tells you ?

She could NEVER want to save face and have you see her as a good little girl ?

Quote:

Disclaimer: Again, I am talking about the general trend on mass level---cultural as a whole---don't come back with the one liners "Oh I know this Arab girl. She is slooottttt. You are wrong." I acknowledge that we all have different experiences and I myself know many Arab sloots who are no different than white chicks.

I am not arguing that 100% Muslim girls are virgins and 100% white girls are sloots. I am taking about prevailing macro trends and cultural behaviors as a whole when it comes to Muslim girls vis-a-vis other girls, especially Western one's.

Thank you if you've made it this far. I was just kinda feeling low tonight thinking about all this sh*t...

You've brought up white girls quite a few times. IRT is that you ?

Most westernized muslim girls aren't at all that special, they're also have higher tendency to be infected with feminism. Some become born again muslims later in their lives.

As some mentioned there are a few countries secular Muslim women come from that can be fucked.

I just have no intention of marrying a Muslim woman nor being part of a Muslim family.

She'll never convert to your religion, she'll be excommunicated from her family, and I doubt you'll convert for her.

Sure they might fun to bang and have fun with, but as usual, shit starts to get serious and you get the "what are we" questions.

This is coming from a guy who grew up muslim and has over 10+ female muslim cousins.

[cubanlinx]

Like I was saying before, be careful with dating these girls or things can blow up in your face.
Frankly, it's suicide. You have to be on point with your game. Most are all over the place with it.
It's hard to soldier on with the severe LMR.
Sorry op, did I burst your bubble? It's just that "bang" takes on a whole new meaning here.

[Euphoric_Breeze]

Some muslim girls will do outrageous things that westen women would've never thought about .
The muslim world is becoming more westernized and slutty , thanks to the attention whoring material such as Instagram or Fb .

I've witnessed plenty of the so-called muslim chicks dressed in a way that will make their western sisters appaled .

Anyway , good luck finding those virgin girls somewhere in the corn fields of yemen .

[eskimobobseal]

This thread is useless for all non-Muslims who are uninterested in converting to a death cult (excuse me, "Islam")

Good conservative homeschooled women from your local church are perfect LTR/marriage material. Look no further than right down the street - and they don't have family members who will chop your head off if you don't convert.

[DimeBait]

Maybe for a marriage for a fellow Muslim, but honestly that demographic is small and this is not the medium for that.

[Phoenix]

Sure, it's all peachy until your sons are off screaming "allahu ackbar" and blowing themselves up in the Levant and your daughters are getting actual stoned. No wonder they have so many kids, trying to keep up with the attrition rate

[DamienCasanova]

I dated a muslim girl once too, she was from England and very westernized, and I can definitely say she was one of the crazier chicks i've dated. She was fun while it lasted, but like many western women she was on the careerist track and would always be going out drinking to "network with co-workers" and that kind of shit. She would also use her religion very selectively only when it benefited her, like she would go out partying with friends, eating meat, drinking and smoking, but then try to act religious again the next day to "atone" in her mind or placate her hamster I guess. She would act like she regarded her religious principles as being more important than any man or relationship, even though she was extremely hypocritical in how and when she chose to practice her religion. Typical western chick's attitude, not a truly devout Muslim worshiper, but only "getting religious" when she could use it as an excuse for her behavior or when it gave her a victim card she could play or something. She came over after drinking with her work friends one night and her hamster went into overdrive when she told me she didn't want to fuck, "because it was Ramadan and she couldn't stop thinking about all the starving kids in India". I was like "Welp, good luck with all THAT! Don't call me anymore, BYE!"

She was definitely not LTR material in my mind, never mind having to navigate her family and other religious hangups... i've met many Western Christian Women who were far better marriage prospects hands down. If she is any indication of the drama you have to go through with them, then i'm OK with never banging any more muslim chicks again.

[Alexandrian]

I am a muslim and I have met a huge amount of muslim girls. Non-muslims seem te romanticize the muslim woman, making her "the best woman ever". Thruth is, it's all a show. Middle Eastern and North African women are needy, big-mouthed, materialistic, big time feminists, suffer from princess complex and are unbelievably attention seeking. They are really frustrating to deal with. They also are really spoiled by their parents. The worst of that stock seem to be Saudi and Iranian women.

Muslim women from the FSU at the other hand are the ideal wives. I'd take them anytime over Middle Eastern diva's. Heck I'd even take a good and feminine christian woman in stead of a Middle Eastern one.

[VisionsofGandhi]

(05-11-2016 11:17 AM)kaotic Wrote:  

(05-11-2016 03:43 AM)Vahan Wrote:  

I've been talking to this one Muslim chick in my university. She doesn't wear hijab, comes from a chill ass family, attends parties sometimes, spend nights at her friends house, and is pretty American. Very fashionable, independent, and yada yada. Met her at a hip hop dance class.

She isn't really a muslim girl, especially if she doesn't rock a Hijab, and drinks and parties.

She's westernized, something most of us see as corrupting women from the East.

Quote:

I've become a very close friend of her (I friendzoned myself really hard..kind of on purpose cuz I just wanted to get to know her better--didn't thought I'd try to date her due to all the cultural/religious reasons etc etc).

You on purposely friend zoned a girl that you wanted to fuck ?

Quote:

So today, she told me...with great resentment...how she kissed twice (with the same guy) in life till now. And that's it. She is 22 mind you!

This is ALL she has done when it comes to "romance/sex" life...

I was like "you joking me!" and she literally sweared on "Allah" and she told me she felt really bad as to why she did it.

Now I am thinking: God why?! Why is it that it is literally impossible to find a 6/10 western girl who hasnt banged a couple of dudes at the very least--while there are Muslim girls who are absolute gems.

So you believe everything a girl tells you ?

She could NEVER want to save face and have you see her as a good little girl ?

Quote:

Disclaimer: Again, I am talking about the general trend on mass level---cultural as a whole---don't come back with the one liners "Oh I know this Arab girl. She is slooottttt. You are wrong." I acknowledge that we all have different experiences and I myself know many Arab sloots who are no different than white chicks.

I am not arguing that 100% Muslim girls are virgins and 100% white girls are sloots. I am taking about prevailing macro trends and cultural behaviors as a whole when it comes to Muslim girls vis-a-vis other girls, especially Western one's.

Thank you if you've made it this far. I was just kinda feeling low tonight thinking about all this sh*t...

You've brought up white girls quite a few times. IRT is that you ?

Most westernized muslim girls aren't at all that special, they're also have higher tendency to be infected with feminism. Some become born again muslims later in their lives.

As some mentioned there are a few countries secular Muslim women come from that can be fucked.

I just have no intention of marrying a Muslim woman nor being part of a Muslim family.

She'll never convert to your religion, she'll be excommunicated from her family, and I doubt you'll convert for her.

Sure they might fun to bang and have fun with, but as usual, shit starts to get serious and you get the "what are we" questions.

This is coming from a guy who grew up muslim and has over 10+ female muslim cousins.

You're a muslim? Aren't you a trump fan?

[kaotic]

(05-11-2016 01:15 PM)VisionsofGandhi Wrote:  

You're a muslim? Aren't you a trump fan?

Expand on that, what do you mean ?


I come from a Muslim family, yes.

Am I practicing Islam or religion at all, no.

I am absolutely a Trump fan.

Shocker I know, but there are Muslims/Middle Easterners and Hispanics for Trump also.

[Rhyme or Reason]

I think it's time to designate the "Insert Nationality/Religion": The best girls EVER!" Troll

[Vahan]

(05-11-2016 11:17 AM)kaotic Wrote:  

(05-11-2016 03:43 AM)Vahan Wrote:  

I've been talking to this one Muslim chick in my university. She doesn't wear hijab, comes from a chill ass family, attends parties sometimes, spend nights at her friends house, and is pretty American. Very fashionable, independent, and yada yada. Met her at a hip hop dance class.

She isn't really a muslim girl, especially if she doesn't rock a Hijab, and drinks and parties.

She doesn't drink.

Not wearing a Hijab doesn't make you non-Muslim. C'mon, you claim to come from a Muslim background. You should know better!
.

Quote:

You on purposely friend zoned a girl that you wanted to fuck ?

I wanted to f*ck her just as I would want to f*ck some A-list celebrity.

Basically, I never went in with the intention of f*cking her cuz I thought it was an impossibility due to all the logistics and everything.

However, we've grown to become really close.

I'd ask her out if she wasn't a Muslim. Whats the point now when I know for a fact it wouldn't work because she would only marry a Muslim?

Quote:

So you believe everything a girl tells you ?

She could NEVER want to save face and have you see her as a good little girl ?

I know her long enough and unlike you, have credible reasons to believe that she isn't lying.

There's no reason for her to "lie" to a non-Muslim white male who does every "haram" thing out there. You think she is trying to be a "good" girl infront of me? lol..c'mon.

I've been with her long enough to see that her behavior patterns and beliefs align with what she says.

Its not "that" hard to see..

Quote:

You've brought up white girls quite a few times. IRT is that you ?

Most westernized muslim girls aren't at all that special, they're also have higher tendency to be infected with feminism. Some become born again muslims later in their lives.

As some mentioned there are a few countries secular Muslim women come from that can be fucked.

I just have no intention of marrying a Muslim woman nor being part of a Muslim family.

She'll never convert to your religion, she'll be excommunicated from her family, and I doubt you'll convert for her.

Sure they might fun to bang and have fun with, but as usual, shit starts to get serious and you get the "what are we" questions.

This is coming from a guy who grew up muslim and has over 10+ female muslim cousins.

There is no "romanticized" version of anything here.

I am just talking about facts, studies, empirical evidence and so on.

As I said, I am not arguing that 100% Muslim girls are virgins and 100% white girls are sloots. I am taking about prevailing macro trends and cultural behaviors as a whole when it comes to Muslim girls vis-a-vis other girls, especially Western one's.

And on a general, macro cultural level, Muslim girls are least likely to be having premarital sex than other girls. Muslim girls are more likely to stay loyal with their husbands and so on.

All the empirical evidence shows that they are the best. Lets not deviate from stating the obvious reality here.[/b]

[Vahan]

(05-11-2016 05:35 AM)Mr Mandingo Wrote:  

Is this meant to be a joke?

Why do you think so?

Sorry I am new here but I can't fathom why some posters here believe this to be a "troll" thread?

Everything I've stated is based on various independent studied, empirical evidence, and objective reality.

It is not an opinion but an objective fact that Muslim girls are least likely to be sexually active before marriage.It is a verifiable fact

I've wrote again and again that I'm not claiming Muslim chicks to be angels all the time while others to be sloots.

I'm just writing about general cultural patterns and behaviors.

[Vahan]

(05-11-2016 06:24 AM)cubanlinx Wrote:  

I'm a Muslim by birth, and if you really want a Muslim girl, at least try for Westernized ones.
Trust me, you do not want family feuds.
I'll go out on a limb here and say that my country is the only country in the world that has totally peaceful Muslims who won't give a damn if you do anything like this. Doesn't mean they'll be ecstatic or anything, but at least they won't cause you any physical harm.
Do not try for a girl in a majority Muslim country.

What country do you reside in bruh?

[WeekendCasanova]

(05-11-2016 02:09 PM)Vahan Wrote:  

All the empirical evidence shows that they are the best. Lets not deviate from stating the obvious reality here.

[Rhyme or Reason]

Quote:

All the empirical evidence shows that they are the best. Lets not deviate from stating the obvious reality here.

So what you are trying to say is that you stand by your analysis?

[TornadoByProxy]

(05-11-2016 02:41 PM)WeekendCasanova Wrote:  

(05-11-2016 02:09 PM)Vahan Wrote:  

All the empirical evidence shows that they are the best. Lets not deviate from stating the obvious reality here.

Vahan, we are awaiting your examples on the "What do you consider a 10??" Thread so we can come to our own conclusions.

Until then I agree with Casanova.

[kaotic]

Quote:

I've been talking to this one Muslim chick in my university. She doesn't wear hijab, comes from a chill ass family, attends parties sometimes, spend nights at her friends house, and is pretty American. Very fashionable, independent, and yada yada. Met her at a hip hop dance class.

Quote:

She isn't really a muslim girl, especially if she doesn't rock a Hijab, and drinks and parties.

Quote:

She doesn't drink.

Not wearing a Hijab doesn't make you non-Muslim. C'mon, you claim to come from a Muslim background. You should know better!

Negatory ghost rider, of all my cousins only a few don't wear a hijab, I can only think of 2 who don't and they strike me as very liberal.

She still "parties" and is westernized, she isn't old school islam at all, she's you basic "cling to religion" when it suits her best.

Quote:

You on purposely friend zoned a girl that you wanted to fuck ?

Quote:

I wanted to f*ck her just as I would want to f*ck some A-list celebrity.

Basically, I never went in with the intention of f*cking her cuz I thought it was an impossibility due to all the logistics and everything.

However, we've grown to become really close.

I'd ask her out if she wasn't a Muslim. Whats the point now when I know for a fact it wouldn't work because she would only marry a Muslim?

So then why constantly bring up the fact she's muslim then.

You claim to want to fuck her? Yet you claim you friendzoned yourself on purpose ?

Contradict much ? How long have you know this chick ? Maybe a year ?

Yet here you are pedastalizing some bitch.

(05-11-2016 02:09 PM)Vahan Wrote:  

[quote]Quote:

So you believe everything a girl tells you ?

She could NEVER want to save face and have you see her as a good little girl ?

I know her long enough and unlike you, have credible reasons to believe that she isn't lying.

There's no reason for her to "lie" to a non-Muslim white male who does every "haram" thing out there. You think she is trying to be a "good" girl infront of me? lol..c'mon.

I've been with her long enough to see that her behavior patterns and beliefs align with what she says.

Its not "that" hard to see...

What's your "credible" reasons then ?

You're either a troll or naive to think women don't front for a variety of reasons.

You think she'd flat out tell you she's a virgin but loves anal, especially if you're her BFF ?

Quote:

You've brought up white girls quite a few times. IRT is that you ?

Most westernized muslim girls aren't at all that special, they're also have higher tendency to be infected with feminism. Some become born again muslims later in their lives.

As some mentioned there are a few countries secular Muslim women come from that can be fucked.

I just have no intention of marrying a Muslim woman nor being part of a Muslim family.

She'll never convert to your religion, she'll be excommunicated from her family, and I doubt you'll convert for her.

Sure they might fun to bang and have fun with, but as usual, shit starts to get serious and you get the "what are we" questions.

This is coming from a guy who grew up muslim and has over 10+ female muslim cousins.

Quote:

There is no "romanticized" version of anything here.

I am just talking about facts, studies, empirical evidence and so on.

As I said, I am not arguing that 100% Muslim girls are virgins and 100% white girls are sloots. I am taking about prevailing macro trends and cultural behaviors as a whole when it comes to Muslim girls vis-a-vis other girls, especially Western one's.

And on a general, macro cultural level, Muslim girls are least likely to be having premarital sex than other girls. Muslim girls are more likely to stay loyal with their husbands and so on.

All the empirical evidence shows that they are the best. Lets not deviate from stating the obvious reality here.[/b]

You're comparing western american girls and western muslim girls, NOT eastern muslim girls against western american girls.

Sure they may be more conservative but ever think of the risks they take if they DON'T stay loyal or if they DO file for divorce ? The shame they bring their families, their might be threats of honor killings as well. I know of two that happened here where I'm at locally.

How many muslim women have you interacted with ?

How many muslim women have you banged ?

How many muslim families have you met ?

How many muslim countries have you lived in ?

My bet is a few to none in all categories.


The only obvious reality I see here, is you had one experience with 1 hot muslim girl that you wanted to bang but said "nah bro let's be BFF's" and put her on a pedestal then put a thread together about it.

TL;DR

Dude gets friendzoned by muslim girl> Conclusion: OMG Guyz Muslim girls are da best !

[Vahan]

(05-11-2016 02:57 PM)Red_Pillage Wrote:  

Quote:

All the empirical evidence shows that they are the best. Lets not deviate from stating the obvious reality here.

So what you are trying to say is that you stand by your analysis?

I stand by facts.

So yes, till now I stand by my analysis since nobody has disputed it on the basis of facts.

All posters here either

A) Have agreed with me
B) Stated the obvious hindrance that we, Western males, will face in terms of trying to get with Muslim girls (Islam, their expectation for us to be Muslims, family, drama, many Muslim girls in West having negative impact of feminism etc).

However, I have already stated/agreed to these points.

My main contention is that on a neutral level, Muslim girls are the best girls for wives...hands down.

And that's just a fact (isn't it?).

However, I didn't say that Muslim girls are best for us white western males etc. I do know the logistical problems that exist.

That's why I even wrote in my OP that it sucks that we are kind of cut-off from the best stock of girls in the world!

(Again, talking on general, macro level)[/b]