[Vinny]

Recently the travel section of the forum is overrun with threads about lost pussy paradises, and how all countries one by one are going in decline and pussy rivers run dry. Brasil, Colombia, Baltic States, Checz Republic, the list goes on and on.
Social media and spreading of feminism ideas contribute to this. Players overhunting and exhausting local female resource contribute a lot too.
Get on the wave or drown under it. If you are not improving your game and not visiting hot spots while they are still good, you are not going to stop the decline. Others will cause damage instead of you. You will just miss the chance to experience it yourself.
As the places become less and less attractive, we like explorers of colonial times, go deeper and deeper in the jungle, 2nd tier, 3rd tier, to find what we are looking for.
What is next? Ukraine is probably following Poland in next few years. Peru is going to get less easy and follow Columbia and Brazil.
What is the new frontier? East of Russia? Due to stricter visa rules it is still pretty much untouched. Africa?
What are your thoughts on this subject?
Is there a way to stop it?
What can we do to minimalize the damage done to a certain place? Is there a method to part ways with a girl without leaving her a jaded bitch?
Do you believe in a Pussy Paradise regeneration?

Disclaimer: I have never been to SA and my knowledge of the situation there is solely based on RVF accumulated knowledge.

[crudeloyalist]

New frontier? Only a cultural revolution in an oppressed country would give birth to a new pussy paradise. As soon as North Korea is liberated by Donald Trump, I'm there.

[Mr. Scumbag]

I think one thing to do is to make the Travel section for members only. Lot of guys are reluctant to share info with all these lurkers that steal info from the forum.

Or, at the very least, create an option where an author can tick off a box that says "members only" when starting a thread in this section, making it viewable to members only.

[godzilla]

As the marriage age/rates and birth rates continue to decline in the west. More and more men will be traveling around the world in the never ending search for vagina. "Pussy paradises" will continue to vanish to some extent. There are some places, like Asia for example, where western values have still not change certain cultural aspects. If Asian women are getting fat now, its unlikely going to happen.

I don't think visa rules are preventing East Russia from "being ruined". It's location and lack of touristy things to do is probably more of a factor. Brazil has some stricter visa rules for Americans and that hasn't stopped anything.

I also don't think Africa will be next. Take a look a flight and hotel prices in major African cities. Its actually one of the most expensive places to visit for westerns. Then you add that many parts even outside of North Africa have large Muslim populations. Oh and don't forget AIDS and Malaria. I could also tell you right as well that the Southern part of Africa will not be easy.

For pussy paradise regeneration, you would need to fix what I stated in the first paragraph, as men who are raising families are not going to try to create a "solid rotation" of Polish girls. This requires the end of feminism in the West, something I doubt will change anytime. Female "equality" is only growing in the world. It took generations for feminism to start and it will take even longer to change. I very pessimistic, so I apologize for my crude humor but the only way I see that turning around is nuclear war or mass genocide of white men in the west.

[Onto]

Vinny, when I read your title I thought you were going to say the Philippines was lost.

I nearly fell to the ground.

[Dantes]

Mr Scumbag

I like your idea, but your 4 posts puts you in the Lurker category, having not contributed travel intell.

A lot of travel vets are not posting Intel anymore on account of the reason you cited.

The biggest factor contributing to pussy paradises lost is the amount of tourism due to cheap flights to places that ten years ago were relatively isolated. The exotic factor is becoming something of the past. Dudes need to bring solid game as they need in the western world.

[Mentavious]

Why do guys think this is the only place to find travel info?

The traffic that comes through here must be 0.00001% if the world's population that uses the Internet for travel ideas.

[Suits]

(04-20-2016 07:38 PM)Mentavious Wrote:  

Why do guys think this is the only place to find travel info?

The traffic that comes through here must be 0.00001% if the world's population that uses the Internet for travel ideas.

...but 90% of the good ideas for men are exclusive to RVF.

[asdfk]

I agree with making the travel section of this forum private. I don't provide as much value as I could due to privacy concerns. Heightening the cover charge or initial investment will take care of a lot of people who are not serious. I am a big fan of sharing information but with these matters I think a good filter for people who put in effort (posting or IRL) is appropriate.

[Onto]

In regards to making the travel forum private there is a Private Lounge section so new data sheets could go there.

However, Cattle Rustler made a good point a couple months back that he found the forum during a search about a travel destination. I also found the forum from a link posted in a thread on another site. So we want to keep some kind of visibility for the right people to find the forum and ultimately contribute.

[Vinny]

I think travel section is what brought most of us all here. All of us were lurkers some time ago. Making forum private will stop growth. New forum members will stop joining and the old will die of age
Maybe it could operate via the invitation system?
When I meet a red pill minded person, or someone who clearly needs help I sometimes share the secret of RVF. Maybe then once you have a certain rating you could issue the invitation?
@Mentavious: This forum is definitely not the only place to get info, but sure it is the best one!
@Onto: Been to Philippines 5 weeks ago, it was sure a pussy paradise for me. The question is how long will it last

[atlant]

Something that could be a good compromise - keep the forum and threads open and visible to the public. However provide an option for posters to choose post contents to be hidden and only visible to members. This way the data sheet and other high value posts of the thread can be hidden to non registered viewers while the thread itself and most posts are still visible so they can still get an idea what the forum is about and offers to members. The only thing I don't know is how much negative impact the hiding of large amounts of text would have on the SEO rankings but it's something for consideration.

[Killarmy]

You have a strong point atlant. Why would rooshv kill his own business by making private all the amazing info shared here? ..

[GlobalMan]

(04-20-2016 07:08 PM)Dantes Wrote:  

The biggest factor contributing to pussy paradises lost is the amount of tourism due to cheap flights to places that ten years ago were relatively isolated. The exotic factor is becoming something of the past. Dudes need to bring solid game as they need in the western world.

Definitely this.

Public data sheets on RVF isn't what's ruining the favorite spots.

The world is small and getting smaller. Traveling to Asia and S. America is now common. Cheap airfare, smart phone apps, Airbnb, all the info you could dream of and everything to make it happen easily is out there now. Any idiot can take a trip and make his way, more or less.

If you're looking to be a special snowflake in the large metropolises of Asia and South America solely because of being a certain nationality, I'm afraid you're very late to the party.

This should not be a concern to most men here though. A cool, confident, well put together man will always be sought after. Masses of lame schlubs, while annoying, shouldn't have a fundamental effect on you. As Dantes eluded to, you need to be a man of value, a man with game. If you are, then you'll do well anywhere. A one trick pony however will struggle.

There are still plenty of places to explore and have unique experiences away from the herds. 2nd and 3rd tier cities are great choices because most visitors are only going to have the time or inclination to visit the main hot spots. BB has made a comment about this regarding Thailand. Still plenty of cities that have been ignored. Same in virtually all of the popular countries listed. You just have to explore.

Since we can't go back in time pre-information age and pre-smartphone, your best bets are:

-Become the best 'you', i.e. max out your game, appearence, confidence and knowledge (things you should be doing regardless)
-Explore cities others are ignoring

Doing either of those will tip the scales back in your favor.

[Phoenix]

Yes, foreigner-jadedness is a real thing. Get enough drunk idiots or thirsty betas swarming into a place, and the supply of foreigner groupies will dry up quickly in the places they hit. This is true. I have read stories of expats, and heard them first-hand from them, from the 1980s etc which fill me with a nostalgia-I-wish-I-had. Basically they needed zero game, they just showed up, they were super exotic and in low supply, chicks basically hopped on their dick, they could just teach English and still get a great pay. Amazing stories. But the fact of the matter is, that is gone. The same places these guys talked about, are now completely overrun dead-ends and wastes of time. 95% ratios etc. Hordes of thirsty tourist guys who googled 'where to get laid' and then swarmed into gaspanic to score the 'easy pussy' -- an echoing rumour from decades ago when that was true. Now you've got to be willing to press afield to less hospitable places and put in the language work etc, or be more competitive.

However there are other factors. Men themselves get jaded. The excitement of getting laid isn't the same in the beginning as years later. And yet it always requires the same amount of work. This has a de-energizing effect that pushes marginal lays down from "would've come good if you persisted" down into "couldn't care less, so it didn't happen". I think there are a lot of guys who simply don't have the excitement of their youth, haven't really tangibly improved themselves much over the years (physique, wealth, language ability, access to peripheral social circles and so on) to boost their competitiveness, who just want to grumble that life isn't easy. Well sorry, but it isn't.

Its also very rich hearing a 4-post newbie saying we should close the travel forum off. What brought you here exactly? What entitles you to that exclusive information? What have you done to earn that. Even I wouldn't feel justified in asking for that, it would take a pillar member. Actually perhaps we should close it off but then delete your account

[The Black Knight]

VR/sex robot tech might stem the tide a bit.

When we get people hooked on that, many men are not going to be motivated to hop on a plane and spend a grand to jump through language barriers/cultural bullshit and pound the pavement to get some ass. We do it because we ENJOY the thrill of the game and testing ourselves. Even if most men wanted to go to some overseas locations to hunt, they can't due to lack of resources and time. If they can, most won't have any game any way.

So, I'm not worried about future male competition. Thirsty guys are a problem anywhere but you need a critical mass of them PLUS other factors for a place to really go to shit.

My main concern is any adoption of militant feminism and the potential easy and fast spread of it. I see the election of Trump as a check on that since a lot of this militant feminist stuff comes from the US. Furthermore, the fall of that female Brazilian lady leader might help stem the tide in Latin America since she was a huge symbol for the Latin American feminist movement. In Europe: if the Germans will get their head of out their asses, maybe Merkel will get thrown out as well for all the damage she has done. The cherry on top would be the destruction of the EU; which would protect Central and Eastern European countries from becoming further westernized.

Things might look a bit grim now but it's very possible the tide could turn for better sooner than we realize.

[Dantes]

The decrease in the inherent status of being a foreigner is what makes these places more difficult than previous years. Girls have more exposure to difficult cultures through social media and increased tourism. Many of these countries have also become more secure. For example, men aren't afraid to travel to Colombia like they were ten years ago. Belarus is a viable option with a little bit of visa work, whereas a decade ago most guys never heard of it.

The inherent exotic factor has been diluted in many places. Men must demonstrate higher status in other ways which is difficult for a short trip. Looks, youth and game have become more salient factors in these lost paradises.

Even if these places are not as easy as they once were, they still represent hope for a lot of men coming from Anglo countries. As long as it represents something better than home, they will continue to venture for greener pastures. More competition and decreased exotic factors necessitate that men bring more with them than just a passport.

[RichieP]

I actually prefer places where I don't have exotic rockstar status. IMO "paradises" where you can position yourself as the exotic rockstar tend to have these trends:

-Swarms of trashy chicks chasing you as a trophy
-True quality chicks being rarer, but requiring the same solid game they require anywhere
-The highest-end quality is locked away by the highest-end locals, just like...everywhere, but moreso in less developed countries
-The 7s and 8s in looks are generally so culturally unconnected that you have no chemistry or stimulating convo
-There's a constant spotlight shined on you and your actions
-A good chance that the westerners you *do* meet will be complete fuckups
-The third-world crap you have to endure puts the breaks on alot of the fun

I much prefer more modern, liberal spots where your westerner status gives you a slight edge but not too much. Just enough to amplify your personal high-status and good game.

In terms of places getting ruined - the only place I saw this was bangkok and some party islands, where there are so many fuckups, the overall foreigner rep is negative. That's more about tourists honeypots than anything else. Whoring or party spots...not relevant to wider expat trends.

Maybe we cant have the "80s english teacher" carnival anymore, but then again, we're also not taking the leaps he took, or doing anything as rare or career-risky as he did. Hardly anybody did that back then, taking such a job abroad was the great unknown.

Personally I feel just having an edge is more than enough, it amplifies everything I do that's already solid.

[Rutting Elephant]

(04-20-2016 06:51 PM)godzilla Wrote:  

Then you add that many parts even outside of North Africa have large Muslim populations.

I knew the Muslim disqualification would come up. It is why I'm not worried about my pussy paradise changing in the near future. All it takes is to find circles where the cool Muslims laugh about the "camels" who take religion seriously.

[Drix]

Interesting thread, I am almost new, but i was reading some threads about amazing places that now are ruined. By the way, I think the problem appeared when we started to have cheap flights, more information about places.

Now someone publish an article relate to easy place and inmediately, thousands of foreigners travel there. Maybe Someone wil disagree with me, but i don´t think exotic factor is too important, If you are good looking with great style, solid game, you would be able to get some hotties, girls will prefer you instead of other boys who has your same height, skin color,nationality.

Look at the bright side, I am peruvian and i have visited many towns near to big cities and these people have never seen a western tourist, We need to explore more. Another advantage is some countries are going to be hot spots, less conservative. People say some places of Asia and Africa are still shit holes, in some years expect these places can be the heaven. Let´s be ready.

[zatara]

I suggested it elsewhere but I think keeping the Travel forum open for general travel discussion is probably a good idea, because it obviously attracts huge amounts of traffic. But maybe have a private sub-forum for members of over X amount of posts/rep points to post detailed city datasheets in. This would allow for a good compromise of enough detail being publicly accessible to draw newbies in, but enough 'face control' to keep some limitation on numbers seeing exact bar recommendations for smaller cities etc.

In regards to places getting played out, I think this is an unfortunate reality of living standards improving in developing countries, more travel by thirsty dudes, smartphones and the internet spreading etc. The only two things to do are a) don't put off visiting a place for years if you know its good currently, go SOON and b) always keep looking for new 2nd and 3rd tier cities where you'll still be a novelty to the locals.

[zoom]

(04-21-2016 10:07 AM)zatara Wrote:  

I suggested it elsewhere but I think keeping the Travel forum open for general travel discussion is probably a good idea, because it obviously attracts huge amounts of traffic. But maybe have a private sub-forum for members of over X amount of posts/rep points to post detailed city datasheets in. This would allow for a good compromise of enough detail being publicly accessible to draw newbies in, but enough 'face control' to keep some limitation on numbers seeing exact bar recommendations for smaller cities etc.

I agree with this proposal

[Vinny]

Partial sexual liberation of some muslim countries may provide next few pussy paradises. Look at the pictures of Aftganistan in 60s.

I would not attribute all the decline to increase of the tourism. Most of the guys who visit the countries even when pussy thirsty just go to hookers.
Even in Thailand probably less then 10% of visitors actually target normal local girls.

[RichieP]

(04-21-2016 01:18 PM)Vinny Wrote:  

Partial sexual liberation of some muslim countries may provide next few pussy paradises. Look at the pictures of Aftganistan in 60s.

I would not attribute all the decline to increase of the tourism. Most of the guys who visit the countries even when pussy thirsty just go to hookers.
Even in Thailand probably less then 10% of visitors actually target normal local girls.

Doesn't that prove the point? 90% are hounding the hookers, semi-pros and the bottom-of-the-barrel trash.

So the normal girls think... foreigners = whoremongers and sexpats. That's what ruins locations.

[CleanSlate]

I like the idea of keeping detailed datasheets in a private sub-forum while keeping this travel forum with general discussion open to the public. It seems like a nice middle ground between cordoning off the entire travel forum from public eyes, essentially killing off RVF's golden goose, and exposing detailed information to thirsty eyes around the globe.

Having said that, I do feel there is a lot of false advertising about "poosy paradises", even on this forum. While a lot of places I visited over the past year are easier than what I'm used to in the West, it certainly isn't as easy as many guys make it out to be. I can't count how many times I had to feign offense when a girl showed skepticism and questioned whether I'm a whoremongering sexpat.

The more sexpats and whoremongers converge into a city, the more skeptical normal girls are towards those of us who actually try to date normal girls. This effect is even more magnified down to the neighborhood- and street-level... choose a certain hotel or neighborhood to stay at, the more or less skepticism you'll encounter. This is why I want to avoid the red district mongering areas as much as possible, but in doing so, I'd have to take the time to understand the culture, learn the basic words and phrases of their language, and exercise more patience with normal girls. As other posters say, 90% of tourists who pass by neither will have the time nor patience to do that.

In sum, you still need game.

Oh yes, you do. With some of these girls in "poosy paradises", especially the poorer ones, you do need very strong frame control. Otherwise, they will eat you alive. Lots of examples of this on this very forum and many other expat boards, so I don't think I need to explain further.

However, I'll say this. Using game in those places can be fun. Truthfully, I don't have any fun when gaming girls in the West. It feels like psychological warfare, in which sometimes I win and sometimes I lose. But even the victories aren't worth it anymore. That can't be healthy in the long run, mentally nor physically. Game, in a more balanced sexual market, is rewarding as long as you put in the work. Work, as in bettering yourself, learning a language, understanding the culture of the place you're in, being social, making money, and giving yourself an edge over at least 70% of the population.

How many of these whoremongering sexpats are actually willing to put in the work on themselves and their game?

Not many. That's the problem. They take the path of least resistance. Unfortunately, this causes other problems downstream. When normal girls witness their behavior, either first hand or otherwise, it sours their perception of the rest of us. Part of the game is eliminating their preconceived notions of you when you chat with that girl online or meet her for the first time. That is an unfortunate, but growing reality. It is nothing new for me, though - dealing with preconceived notions is something I've personally been doing all my life.

Even so, I don't want to personally contribute to the growing problem that the OP described. I know I've posted trip reports here, but I'm starting to realize how fucking small this world really is. However, what's past is past and what's public is public. I do think we can do better by keeping future datasheets private and away from prying eyes while leaving the well-known red districts for sex tourists to enjoy to their hearts (and dicks) content. If we must post a trip report publicly, perhaps keep it more general and leave some details out of it.