[20Nation]

(09-23-2014 11:33 PM)jtbabycarrots Wrote:  

Awesome video. I'm in the process of reading your body language book. Love becoming more aware of subconscious type stuff.

Was interested in what you said about Cebu. What about Davao? I've heard good things.

Great collaboration. You guys should make this a regular thing.

Davao is more reserved than Cebu City. Not quite as many foreigners. Girls are more innocent. I got mostly Same Date Lays in Davao but you have to ploy through more LMR, compared to Cebu where after you get them to your room, it's usually very little. Also the nightlife in Davao now isn't that good thanks to a curfew (never was great to be honest). And internet game isn't near as active as in Cebu. and in davao you get more exotic value

(09-24-2014 06:51 AM)TheMusketeer Wrote:  

It depends, summer season can skew your opinion. Outside of summer the Kiev women blow Odessa girls out of the water.

Also Kiev girls have a better attitude than Odessa girls, and are more friendly in my opinion.

Yeah, I only saw Kiev during summer, but there was a noticeable difference between Kiev and Odessa (Odessa had much hotter women walking around during summer).

[civpro]

For a guy who's selling a book on body language you fidget a lot.

[20Nation]

(09-25-2014 03:08 AM)civpro Wrote:  

For a guy who's selling a book on body language you fidget a lot.

First, I'm not selling a body language book about how to act in front of a camera or around men, it's about how to act around women. Whenever I start acting with men like I do with women, I start alienating friends.

Second, fidgeting is a sign of nervousness. This was my first time ever in front of a camera, so yes... I was nervous. The reason you shouldn't have that body language is because of just that... looking nervous is bad if you want a girl to be into you. But meeting a girl and getting in front of a camera are two different beasts.

Third, By far the most important type of body language is your facial expression body language. Why? Because that's what a girl is staring at the entire conversation.

[Vacancier Permanent]

Funny that it's always the guys who bring the least amount of value that criticize the most. Please do share with us your vast experiences traveling and slaying lizards around the globe, we're all hears buddy!

(09-25-2014 03:08 AM)civpro Wrote:  

For a guy who's selling a book on body language you fidget a lot.

[Duke Castile]

(09-25-2014 04:14 AM)Vacancier Permanent Wrote:  

Funny that it's always the guys who bring the least amount of value that criticize the most. Please do share with us your vast experiences traveling and slaying lizards around the globe, we're all hears buddy!

(09-25-2014 03:08 AM)civpro Wrote:  

For a guy who's selling a book on body language you fidget a lot.

This is an uncalled for attack.

20 claims to be an expert in body language (among other things).

He also asked for feedback.

A new poster SHOULD be critical of a self professed expert who is selling things. Jumping all over Civpro and getting defensive is uncool.

I'm curious about this alienating body language he has.

20 can you give us some examples of when you lost friends from your body language or post a video showing it to us?

I have a lot of questions after that last reply he gave.

20 would you mind answering them?

[Duke Castile]

double post

[20Nation]

(09-25-2014 07:18 AM)Fisto Wrote:  

(09-25-2014 04:14 AM)Vacancier Permanent Wrote:  

Funny that it's always the guys who bring the least amount of value that criticize the most. Please do share with us your vast experiences traveling and slaying lizards around the globe, we're all hears buddy!

(09-25-2014 03:08 AM)civpro Wrote:  

For a guy who's selling a book on body language you fidget a lot.

This is an uncalled for attack.

20 claims to be an expert in body language (among other things).

He also asked for feedback.

A new poster SHOULD be critical of a self professed expert who is selling things. Jumping all over Civpro and getting defensive is uncool.

I'm curious about this alienating body language he has.

20 can you give us some examples of when you lost friends from your body language or post a video showing it to us?

I have a lot of questions after that last reply he gave.

20 would you mind answering them?

Arrogance and over teasing. These are ways of acting, but are completely connected to my body language. It's a good way to be with women, not so good with friends.

[worldwidetraveler]

(09-25-2014 07:55 AM)20Nation Wrote:  

Arrogance and over teasing. These are ways of acting, but are completely connected to my body language. It's a good way to be with women, not so good with friends.

How did you find Ukrainian women respond to arrogance and over teasing? Or did you adapt to something else?

[20Nation]

(09-25-2014 07:57 AM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

(09-25-2014 07:55 AM)20Nation Wrote:  

Arrogance and over teasing. These are ways of acting, but are completely connected to my body language. It's a good way to be with women, not so good with friends.

How did you find Ukrainian women respond to arrogance and over teasing? Or did you adapt to something else?

They respond well. But maybe just tone it down a little bit from normal. In fact, when I first got to Ukraine i tried to tone it down too much and when I fixed it I started doing better.

[TheBulldozer]

So let me get this straight - you've perfected your body language around women so acutely that you now find it difficult to interact in a fraternal way with other men?

[20Nation]

(09-25-2014 08:12 AM)MaleDefined Wrote:  

So let me get this straight - you've perfected your body language around women so acutely that you now find it difficult to interact in a fraternal way with other men?

I don't think body language is something you can 100% perfect, it's more something you can always be working on. Breaking habits from a life time is easier said than done. Even the best body language (like tom cruise) can show bad body language in uncomfortable/new situations.

But I do feel more comfortable talking to women than men (excluding close friends). And I didn't say I find it difficult, but I have made mistakes.

[TheBulldozer]

Body language is reflective of our inner core. If you have to think about body language, then you should be working on other areas of life to improve everything else about yourself. My body language is completely unconscious to me. Why? Because it reflects exactly who I am as a person. I am a fucking rock. I've seen shit. I've been places. I'm well off. I'm considered highly successful in my career. Nothing you throw at me is going to knock me off that kilter. Never too up, never too down.

I've met probably three dozen guys off the forum at this point, and here's probably what they'd say: "Yeah, MaleDefined I met him. He's a pretty cool dude. He didn't blow me away at first, but he certainly has his shit together. He's a solid dude. I would definitely spend more time with him in the future, and if you have a chance you should meet him too."

How can I pompously speak about who I am in the third person? Because I know who I am. That's me. I don't have to fake anything, I don't have to worry about first impressions. I don't have to worry about how to come off in certain situations, whether it's speaking in front of a camera, in front of 1000 people, across the table from a politician, on a date, or with children.

"Whoever denies me, it shall not trouble me;
Whoever accepts me, he or she shall be blessed, and shall bless me.”

[Duke Castile]

I'd like to see this awesome bodylanguage that you can tease girls with but that is so powerful it alienates friends.

Can that be your next video?


Edit - I agree with Maledefined, it has to be an inner game issue/confidence issue if being interviewed by a guy you've been hanging out with gets you so nervous you are shaking.

Also you talk a lot about having "perfect" body language in all of your posts when you skype with girls, what do you think is the big difference in being in front of the camera?

[20Nation]

Wow fisto now i see what this is really about

[worldwidetraveler]

(09-25-2014 08:52 AM)Fisto Wrote:  

Edit - I agree with Maledefined, it has to be an inner game issue/confidence issue if being interviewed by a guy you've been hanging out with gets you so nervous you are shaking.

He already said he was nervous because he never did a video interview.

I took that as a confidence thing since it is new. He didn't hide it but was pretty honest. I don't understand what you guys are getting at unless there is some beef working in the background.

I understand a lot of guys talk as if they have no fear at all but I don't buy it (this comment isn't directed at you fisto).

Having a fear of failing or looking stupid is normal and the way we grow is by facing those fears and overcoming it.

[TravelerKai]

If Roosh was giving me a video interview I think I would be a bit nervous too and this is coming from a guy who has aggressively talked down an arrogant woman with a net worth of 300 million dollars in front of a company's board of directors and executives in a room for a Fortune 1000 company. People were so shocked I did that, that they asked me if I understood who that was I was talking to. I told them yes and that I did not care. We ended up getting the result we needed from my efforts regardless. I had done things slightly smaller than this before, it was not my first rodeo. Their net worth had no effect on me.

New things make even strong veterans nervous. Roosh has a very, very large audience and those enemies of ours are still lurking around, even when we casually forget about them. It was very brave to even offer up his voice like that. Public speaking is totally different from spitting game solo to a woman as well. There is a reason why there are college level classes on public speaking.

This is one of those cases that the substance of the information and the advice is top notch and nothing else really matters. Do you think Obama's advisors and speech writers can present the shit they write for him at the level he can? No. That's why he is the president and not them. That is why Roosh is still the man and the rest of us are just advisors. Maybe later we can all work our way into more comfort and show our faces etc. but lets be more understanding of what is at stake here and the difficulty involved here. There are learning curves to everything.

[Duke Castile]

You both jumped all over a valid observation.

A guy that writes and wants to sell a book on body language and claims to be an expert should be able to hold it together during an interview in a relaxed atmosphere.

20 posts about his "perfect" body language all the time when he's on camera on skype.

Whats behind the scenes about that?

20 asked for what everyone thought.

[worldwidetraveler]

(09-25-2014 09:39 AM)Fisto Wrote:  

You both jumped all over a valid observation.

A guy that writes and wants to sell a book on body language and claims to be an expert should be able to hold it together during an interview in a relaxed atmosphere.

20 posts about his "perfect" body language all the time when he's on camera on skype.

Whats behind the scenes about that?

20 asked for what everyone thought.

Ah, no, I didn't jump all over anything.

I made a comment about something specific you posted. An observation that is based on my own experiences.

I didn't say anything about his body language book. I talked about the video comment where you stated it was an inner confidence problem. I agreed but for reasons that it was new to him.

Skyping with a woman isn't even comparable to doing an interview with Roosh who happens to have a good size following. I don't understand how you can even try to correlate the two.

20Nation did ask for your thoughts. You gave them and I gave you my thoughts about your observations based on my experiences.

After all, this is suppose to be a discussion forum, no?

[TravelerKai]

Maybe next time they can change the angle of the camera better and try sitting down on a bench or chairs next time. Roosh just started doing these videos not that long ago. Let's just make sure the criticism is constructive and comes with solutions or advice on how to make the next one better. We cannot give our own guys the "Feminist Special" that comes with a family sized serving of hate salad on the side. We need to build guys up. That's what we do. So if you think something was off or not quite right, offer up more suggestions and keep it positive.

[Roosh]

Yeah let's not use this video as a way to analyze people.

[Duke Castile]

Actually www forgive me, I thought you were VP.

VP and 20 jumped all over Civpro.

It's not like these were hard hitting questions man come on. They were exactly about what 20 professes to be an expert in.

Roosh said they'd been hanging out for a month.

I think inner confidence would prepare you to give an interview with a person youve been hanging out with.

I think being on camera with a stranger would be more stressful, and it IS on camera.

How do you think people practice being on camera or giving interviews?

Again, the only reason I chimed in was because of the comments made to civpro and the conflicting and curious statements by 20.

[worldwidetraveler]

I think the video stuff is a lot harder than it appears. Some may be a natural, but it still takes practice.

I dated a girl who was going for some type of degree in Broadcast journalism. She wanted to be on camera and there was a lot to it. They would teach them how to pronunciation specific words with greater emphasis to break up the monotone. Things I would never have thought about.

I don't think everything we normally do translates on video well.

I do videos for product sales and demos. I had to speak much faster in order to keep the videos from sounding monotonous. Man did I screw up a lot in order to find that right flow. That stuff affected sales.

I actually had a laugh when people were telling Roosh he needed to be more animate and the next video he said he pounded some coffee.

All of this takes practice and I know I am nervous when I first start doing something new. I don't let it stop me and I tend to have the attitude I can do anything that isn't hindered by dna. I actually love that nervous feeling now.

I do understand the observations and I think 20nation understands that if he selling a body language book he needs to be aware his performance, on video, will impact his credibility rightly or wrongly.

[Cr33pin]

I thought the video and interview were awesome. I could care less if 20's body language was not "Alpha" This is something new for both guys and I think they did great.

[calwinston]

Just to throw this out there. Instead of criticizing the guy, give him some advice.

If you are standing and don't know what to do with your hands (having nothing to hold), put them behind your back. It takes away the focus from the fidgeting hands. When you start talking you can use put your hands in front of you to express your speech.

Disclaimer: This is for public speaking when you don't have a podium in front of you.

[rishboy77]

20Nation - I just bought your book about spying on the girls. What key logger software did you use ?