[Nomad77]

(07-01-2014 07:35 AM)Moma Wrote:  

(06-30-2014 06:38 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

I don't want a harem. I don't want to have sex with a bunch of different girls. I would be perfectly happy with one high quality girl. Everything else is optional. For me, it's all about the quality of the time I spend with a woman. I want my time I spent with a woman to bring me pleasure on both a mental and physical level. Everything I do is about finding these quality women and filtering out the crazy ones and I prefer to have sex within the context of a relationship.

So basically you are having problems finding one good girl.

It's not easy but I have recently found one.

[robreke]

(07-01-2014 02:58 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

(06-30-2014 07:34 PM)ManAbout Wrote:  

Nomad, question about eye contact, is it a prerequisite or a bonus for your day game approaches?

No, I do not require eye contact or anything else to approach a girl. Usually the girl won't even know you exist. You have to approach for her to know that. Now, once I do that and we are having a conversation eye contact becomes very important. If she is not looking at me then it means her attraction level for me is low and I will eject politely.

Nomad,

As a relative newbie with less than 50 approaches under my belt....but more growing almost each day....I find your insights really helpful.

You mention a lot about whether you sensed attraction or not from a woman in the initial approach and that being a key as to whether you continue or eject.

I think based on what your saying, I've been ejecting too early...eg. Yesterday I hit up a hot PT student at the coffeeshop...I did my "is that the new iphone" opener. She talked long about the iphone. When I asked her questions she expounded pretty good. Pretty good eye contact with smiles. She wasn't exactly eye fucking me....but being quite polite and engaging. We talked also about some people I knew who graduated from PT school and the fact that she was from out of town...and I asked her where to buy a good binder...etc. She answered all my questions and they weren't short answers but most were elaborated on by her..... HOWEVER....whenever I would drop bait about my work or upcoming trip....she would not bite....so I used this for an excuse to eject....because I thought she might have not been interested.

I'm guessing you would have taken her politeness/friendliness/eye contact/ talkativeness for interest or some level of attraction despite her not "taking my bait" It's just that without her asking me much questions....I felt like if I kept asking her questions...it would seem like an interrogation. btw...I do this a lot....ie. approach a girl who offers polite conversation/smiling/etc....but doesn't bite my bait so I eject....I may have to rethink this.

So my question is two part; what signs or cues do you look for that indicate that the girl is attracted when you first approach that tell you this is an approach with pursuing and not ejecting and....what would you have done in my above scenario ( which is a scenario that happens kind of often with me where they don't take my bait but are kind of friendly ) where (I'm assuming based on reading your stuff so far ) the girl probably DID have some attraction but was not taking my bait?

[Nomad77]

I understand I am the black sheep on here - the renegade son. My opinions and approach to life will be vastly different than most of you. But here is the only thing that matters. Are you happy and contented with your life? If the answer is yes, then keep doing what you are doing. If the answer is no, then you may want to consider doing something different.

Game is a tool. You can choose to use to be a constructive force in your life or you can use to be a destructive one. The choice and consequences is yours.

Obviously some people find my way of thinking to be of some benefit. I didn't write all of those rep points myself

[Moma]

(07-01-2014 07:52 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

It's not easy but I have recently found one.

Good luck, bro, I wish you the best! I guess I would say, use your game principles to understand the lizard psyche and thus allow the relationship to run successfully. Here is something to bear in mind:

Consider maintaining a certain air of mystery about yourself with her. Lizards need to figure their men out. It doesn't meant that you don't share anything about yourself but if you share EVERYTHING too soon, she may get bored and start to do annoying things.

[Nomad77]

(07-01-2014 08:00 AM)robreke Wrote:  

(07-01-2014 02:58 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

(06-30-2014 07:34 PM)ManAbout Wrote:  

Nomad, question about eye contact, is it a prerequisite or a bonus for your day game approaches?

No, I do not require eye contact or anything else to approach a girl. Usually the girl won't even know you exist. You have to approach for her to know that. Now, once I do that and we are having a conversation eye contact becomes very important. If she is not looking at me then it means her attraction level for me is low and I will eject politely.

Nomad,

As a relative newbie with less than 50 approaches under my belt....but more growing almost each day....I find your insights really helpful.

You mention a lot about whether you sensed attraction or not from a woman in the initial approach and that being a key as to whether you continue or eject.

I think based on what your saying, I've been ejecting too early...eg. Yesterday I hit up a hot PT student at the coffeeshop...I did my "is that the new iphone" opener. She talked long about the iphone. When I asked her questions she expounded pretty good. Pretty good eye contact with smiles. She wasn't exactly eye fucking me....but being quite polite and engaging. We talked also about some people I knew who graduated from PT school and the fact that she was from out of town...and I asked her where to buy a good binder...etc. She answered all my questions and they weren't short answers but most were elaborated on by her..... HOWEVER....whenever I would drop bait about my work or upcoming trip....she would not bite....so I used this for an excuse to eject....because I thought she might have not been interested.

I'm guessing you would have taken her politeness/friendliness/eye contact/ talkativeness for interest or some level of attraction despite her not "taking my bait" It's just that without her asking me much questions....I felt like if I kept asking her questions...it would seem like an interrogation. btw...I do this a lot....ie. approach a girl who offers polite conversation/smiling/etc....but doesn't bite my bait so I eject....I may have to rethink this.

So my question is two part; what signs or cues do you look for that indicate that the girl is attracted when you first appraoch and....what would you have done in my above scenario where (I'm assuming based on reading your stuff so far ) the girl probably DID have some attraction but was not taking my bait?

Thanks. American girls are very self centered, they do not care about you. They only want to talk about themselves. If you are looking for them to ask you about anything forget it. If she is giving you long answers and maintaining good eye contact that is good enough. I would have suggested to her that we meet up again and she how she respond. If she sounded like she really wanted to I would then just get her contact info. and follow up. Just remember, if you have already put in the work on the approach you might as well close and follow through just for the hell of it. I only eject when I see very clear red flags e.g. she mentions a boyfriend, husband, talks about being very busy, isn't maintaining eye contact etc.

[Nomad77]

I want to tell you the last story from yesterday and the one I am most proud of. It's the one where I didn't pickup the girl.

A fairly attractive blonde girl walked into the Starbucks. As she look around we briefly locked eyes for a moment. I could immediately tell she was attracted to me on some minimal level. She got her drink and went to sit at the only open table available which was two tables down from me. There was a college guy studying at the table between me and her. To talk to her my only option was to get up and walk over to her table. I did just that but she was on her iPad looking up something so I just continued on the bathroom. On my way back as I was approaching her I noticed the college guy checking her out. I slowed down...was he going to make a move? I knew if I did he wouldn't and I am always willing to step back from girl if a regular guy is willing to approach her. So I decided to give him a chance and just continued back to my table. It took him about 15 minutes but he did eventually opened her by asking about her perfume. They had a good five minutes chat and I thought it went well but then he suddenly ended it and thanked her for the perfume info. I was perplexed. Why didn't he close her? I tapped him on the shoulder and asked him. He was like, I know but I don't think she was interested in me. I said, she was interested in you believe me. You should have asked her for number. Here was a good looking, buff, tattooed up college guy who was afraid to close a girl. This happens all the time. Guys will approach a girl and then talk themselves out of closing her one way or another. It drives me nuts! Finally, some older guy came and sat down with her. From the conversation he was some friend of the family. Definitely no sexual thing happening here. I told the college guy this and he agreed. I said well, now it's going to be more difficult to close her but I tell you what. If you don't do it, I will. He now had a carrot and stick. He packed up because he had to leave but just sat there trying to find the courage to do it. I told him exactly what to say. (Tell her you have to leave and it was nice meeting her and lets stay in touch.) He sat there. I said to him, if you allow her to walk out of here you will regret it for the rest of this year. Even if you ask her out and she rejects you, you won't feel as bad as you will if you don't plus if you don't I will. He knew what I was saying was true and I knew he was close to doing it. Suddenly the girl got up and started to leave. He didn't know what to do. I could see the panic on his face. As she was leaving she turned back and said bye. I told him, go. He jumped up and went after her. He asked her for her email address to send her some information about some class. She was a bit confused but give it to him. As she walked out she looked back at me, wondering what role I had played in all of this. The guy came back and got his things. He was both relieved and proud of himself. He said, thanks man for pushing me. I am going to email her sometime this week. I said to him, not this week tonight. He smiled and left and as I watched him walked out with his head high and proud I remembered when I use to feel that way...

I do this all the time. Everywhere I go. I consider it a public service, and for me, it's more fun than picking up girls. And I would encourage everyone on here to at least try it once. I hope I see one of them again, so I can find out what happened.

[Mr. Butterworth]

+1

that was beautiful indeed. that's truly something that missing in this world. I'm sure that guy will never forget you

[Nomad77]

Thanks, the reaction from guys are always surprise and then gratitude. I have never gotten a negative response yet. A lot of times I also act as a wingman to back them up if there are one or more girls involved. Or I will open a group for them to get at a target.

[Mr. Butterworth]

"surprise and then gratitude"

but of course. experiencing or seeing something like that these days. you'd have to pay a pretty penny

[Nomad77]

Well, the college girl from Starbucks was a false positive. The facebook Russian is a go.

[pitt]

I believe as adults we can give our opinions without offending anybody feelings, right?

Nomad with all due respect, I am with Soup on this, your threads are screaming BETA..wake up man..no such thing as a good girl...it's pumping and dumping all day.

[Nomad77]

@pitt Of course, I will never get upset at someone for voicing an opinion. But let me ask you this? How long have you been pumping and dumping?

[game_ethic]

That was heart warming, Nomad.

[The Lizard of Oz]

Nomad, why do you consider yourself a "renegade"?

Your goal is to find that special someone. Seems like the usual thing.

[Nomad77]

I am a renegade in the sense that I question some fundamental assumptions which a large percentage of the users on this forum subscribe to:

that more bangs = greater happiness and ALL women are inherently evil

This is a very American/Western mentality. If one bang is good then ten has to be better and it doesn't matter how many you have you always have to strive for more. This mentally just makes us the male version of the spinning hamster - chasing an objective that can never be obtained. Along with this mental is the one that ALL women are inherently bad and seek nothing less than our destruction.

Both of these are, in my view, are very damaging to us men and only serve to undermine us. By seeking to find happiness in more and more bangs you end up expend a great amount of energy and time, that could be used more productively doing other things, in a pursuit that ultimately will only serve to make you more and more unhappy. By characterizing all women as evil, whose primary purpose in life is your undoing, you are destroying your chance of every being able to build a constructive relationship with one of them. (I wonder if they include their mothers and sisters too...) In summary by subscribing to this mentality you are only setting yourself up for lot of needless pain and suffering. Now, this does not mean, I am saying you should become a beta dude and do all that is associated with that. Like everything in life, the key is balance. I am both alpha and beta. I am both male and female. It is the essence of yin and yang.

"In Chinese philosophy, yin and yang, which are often shortened to "yin-yang" or "yin yang", are concepts used to describe how apparently opposite or contrary forces are actually complementary, interconnected and interdependent in the natural world, and how they give rise to each other as they interrelate to one another."

[soup]

Nah we never say all women are evil.. We say that American women have adopted shitty attitudes, and we also tell guys not to treat women as they are dudes because their brains are wired differently.

Careful with that stuff.

Also it's true that guys celebrate bangs but it's not because of a number. Guys are happy to have the power to fuck that many girls if they want as opposed to feeling helpless. The point is that it could be one or a hundred girls as long as you have the real freedom get what you want, not limited, fenced in blue pill freedom.

[Nomad77]

While I don't disagree that American women are worse than other countries. It is a BIG country. I am seeing an American woman with an absolutely fantastic attitude, better than any foreign woman I have dated and I have lived in a few other countries. Had I choose to be prejudice against her in this way I would have never gotten to know her. And if you think only American women are bad then check out this ROK article on Japanese women: http://www.returnofkings.com/38058/the-u...nese-women

Nothing wrong with being happy about a bang but when it just becomes a number/notch game then it becomes self-defeating.

[The Lizard of Oz]

Nomad, you seem to me to be in contention for the unhappiest RVF'er. I wouldn't say that "balance" is the main impression one gets from your posts... although that could be down to mere infelicities of style.

I don't think most forum members suffer from the kind of brainless notch count OCD that you ascribe to them. But we do have a few guys here who enjoy variety of sexual experience as a good in itself; and who have the balls and imagination to not buy into the idea that unless you "find that special someone" ASAP your life is necessarily a dark and empty one -- even though that idea is being drilled into our heads at all times in today's society.

It is men who resist this kind of overwhelming social pressure and dare to think for themselves that one might properly call "renegades", if such a goofy word must be used.

[Nomad77]

Maybe it's just an impression created by a vocal minority then But here is what I can say. I have met a lot of guys from this forum in person. And for the most part they have all have been great guys that I didn't have any problem getting along with in person. But this still represents a very small number. I also enjoy sexual variety, but as I said, when it is reduced to just a validation/number game then I don't think this is a constructive expression of sexuality.

I stand by my assertions and I believe Roosh himself confirms them in his last video.

Renegade: a person who deserts and betrays an organization, country, or set of principles.

[Moma]

Nomad, most American males DO think that the key to happiness is what you say you are pursuing which is one good lizard. And that's the problem. North American feminism or whatever you call it has laid a guilt trip on any man acting within his natural urges to pursue variety.

Western society still brands men who pursue a variety of lizards as womanisers, playas and state that they must be unhappy with themselves in order to shame them into being with one lizard that will often communicate at them but not with them, is undomesticated and thinks that being feminine is the vestige of chauvinistic male shackles.

Emotional infidelity is at an all time high with the intervention of smartphones and social media. Lizards are constantly validated by instagram, twitter and thousands of text messages from beta males.
Even as she is on a date with you and I, she is constantly checking her phone for inbox notifications from her OKStupid accounts and FaceBroke.

I have been on dates with lizards who have had been constantly checking their phone for updates. Since I only want to fcuk, I am just trying to isolate and get my willy out. If I were seeking something deeper, I would be upset as it's like having a lizard I am trying to get to know, suck multiple cock while I am talking to her without abandon.

As I said before, we have to be very honest about our intentions and what we are using game for. This will allow us clear conscience since those who are seeking multiple heterosexual partners are going against the grain, socially speaking. Often lizards and whipped men will urge us to settle down when they see we are out hunting and try to guilt us with offers of mediocre women who do not view subjugation to their man in their heterosexual relationships. By being aware of our intent, we can push all that noise to where it belongs, which is the background.

There is nothing wrong about either choice. In both cases, no one is being hurt. Both acts will be of mutual consensus. Lizards who don't want to be or are incapable of being with one partner at this particular point in time will signal this indirectly.

Those men looking for a monogamous relationship can use GAME to wean out these type of reptiles. Those without GAME will try and wifey these lizards and end up getting milked dry emotionally and even financially. This happens in Miami a lot.

I already relayed multiple examples using Miami. A lizard where my <insert family member> used to work was fcuking a guy there regularly although she lived with another man who she had a child with. She had the audacity to invite this man over for a baby shower. This is the same man who used to monkey fcuk her all over the jacuzzi while the baby father was out busting his ass doing overtime to pay for the nice things his child's mother liked to have (you know how Miami is).

I am not slandering lizards by any means. I don't see all as bad and the more refined gamers don't either (I'm sure). Game is merely a filter and a litmus test to be run. Same way, the server has to run a POST before it boots on to ensure all the necessary binaries are there to load the OS or lest, risk booting up a corrupt OS. As a man, you must run your GAME by the lizard or hence risk wifeying up a corrupt lizard who will be monkey fcuked by an opportunist who could read her signals and see her open ports.

Your city requires a higher level of game. As Giovonny accurately put, it's only the major cities that require higher game to eat the same meal. Once you leave these major cities, American lizards are sweet and cute. They are probably vapid and a tad dull as a group but that's the price we pay when we decide to reside in America. You can't have it all. You merely find your niche and filter more to find what you are looking for.

But without being honest about your intent in GAME without upsetting the PC status quo, you are shooting yourself in the foot.

[Gorgiass]

An excellent read, Nomad, through and through. For me the most helpful thing about reading other's approaches, aside from simply demonstrating possibilities like the barstool escalation and Starbucks approaches (which were not in my realm of possibility 10 years ago), is gaining insight into the necessary and most effective frames of mind. You do an excellent job of conveying yours and it gives us with less experience something to emulate during the approaches and interactions. Some will do better with the calm, calculating, man with options frame, others as the carefree, bubbly, party guy. Helps having in mind "what would xxx do" out there. I appreciate the breakdowns.

[Nomad77]

@Gorgiass Thanks, I am actually humbled by what you said....Ok, I will write about one more, probably the most important one yet...

[Nomad77]

Getting a good girl...

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-36901-...#pid770069

[Clint Barton]

What of the man who wants to put up numbers, flags, and raising the quality of women he bangs for the sport of it?

For me, game is a fun hobby. This summer I started racing in the 400m and 800m and love the disciplined training, the competition, and the highs of getting better/faster. I enjoy game in the same sense I enjoy competing in track.

There are different ways I could approach running track. I could be content in just participating. Perhaps I could keep trying to improve my PRs and train hard enough to go sub 0:55 in the 400 and sub 2:00 in the 800m. Or maybe I want to place top-3 in a competitive race/heat with a big crowd watching. Are any of these approaches more constructive than the other? I guess it would depend on my true motive...

There are different motives for us. My motive for game is to bang and date sexy and interesting women locally, as well as from around the world, for the pure enjoyment, variety, and sport of it. I also enjoy the camaraderie of gaming with my fellow players.

Of course I want to see validation from the work I put in. It's crazy fun.

(07-01-2014 10:17 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

Maybe it's just an impression created by a vocal minority then But here is what I can say. I have met a lot of guys from this forum in person. And for the most part they have all have been great guys that I didn't have any problem getting along with in person. But this still represents a very small number. I also enjoy sexual variety, but as I said, when it is reduced to just a validation/number game then I don't think this is a constructive expression of sexuality.

I stand by my assertions and I believe Roosh himself confirms them in his last video.

Renegade: a person who deserts and betrays an organization, country, or set of principles.