[Nomad77]

Interesting stuff. This also works with body language and building comfort.

[Travesty]

(06-06-2014 10:54 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

This all seems to be related to being authentic. When I really want a girl, I get real. When I just think a girl is somewhat attractive, I use Game to cover my half-ass desire and somehow this comes through as being less authentic.

This is why guys that just love pussy in any flavor have an advantage. They are authentic on anything they hit on.

[Nomad77]

Yep, but it's not an advantage, it's a requirement. I wrote about this in this post (look at #1):

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-14263.html

[Travesty]

Anyone notice especially in day game when sober in broad daylight, that you sort of see a girl's face and body type, and from sheer experience you just know that certain face types even if she is a 7+ just don't have chemistry with you?

I notice myself seeing a 7+ once in awhile and I see her face, it's good, I would bang her but my collective judgement of all the flirting, sex, and approaches I have done my entire life tell me I can approach and I can want to fuck her, but the odds are just SLIM.

It's like my brain is constantly building a sexually chemistry meter and tells me to fuck off if the meter doesn't ring even if the girl is hot sometimes. Other times it is totally game on.

I will still approach these girls my brain is somehow telling me I don't have chemistry with (but it is a very weak signal in the back of my mind - I don't even think about it when I see the girl I am just realizing, it is just a gut reaction) and the approaches just never have the juice that the chemistry ones have.

My dick is happy to bang either, but it is like my mind can tell the future fate of the approach before it starts.

Damn I wish I was one of those love any flavor of pussy guys. My authenticity would reign over every hot chick.

[Nomad77]

Yep, I know exactly how you feel. When the chemistry is one I a very effective. Without it, I just become a good entertainer, sometimes all the way to the bed.

[Saweeep]

(06-06-2014 09:01 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  

Anyone notice especially in day game when sober in broad daylight, that you sort of see a girl's face and body type, and from sheer experience you just know that certain face types even if she is a 7+ just don't have chemistry with you?

I notice myself seeing a 7+ once in awhile and I see her face, it's good, I would bang her but my collective judgement of all the flirting, sex, and approaches I have done my entire life tell me I can approach and I can want to fuck her, but the odds are just SLIM.

It's like my brain is constantly building a sexually chemistry meter and tells me to fuck off if the meter doesn't ring even if the girl is hot sometimes. Other times it is totally game on.

I will still approach these girls my brain is somehow telling me I don't have chemistry with (but it is a very weak signal in the back of my mind - I don't even think about it when I see the girl I am just realizing, it is just a gut reaction) and the approaches just never have the juice that the chemistry ones have.

My dick is happy to bang either, but it is like my mind can tell the future fate of the approach before it starts.

Damn I wish I was one of those love any flavor of pussy guys. My authenticity would reign over every hot chick.

Absolutely.

As I get older I find I just can't be bothered with women I just "know" I'm not gonna be massively into. The ones that you look at and think you should find attractive because, well, everyone else does.

[Gallego2006]

(06-06-2014 09:01 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  

Anyone notice especially in day game when sober in broad daylight, that you sort of see a girl's face and body type, and from sheer experience you just know that certain face types even if she is a 7+ just don't have chemistry with you?

I notice myself seeing a 7+ once in awhile and I see her face, it's good, I would bang her but my collective judgement of all the flirting, sex, and approaches I have done my entire life tell me I can approach and I can want to fuck her, but the odds are just SLIM.

It's like my brain is constantly building a sexually chemistry meter and tells me to fuck off if the meter doesn't ring even if the girl is hot sometimes. Other times it is totally game on.

I will still approach these girls my brain is somehow telling me I don't have chemistry with (but it is a very weak signal in the back of my mind - I don't even think about it when I see the girl I am just realizing, it is just a gut reaction) and the approaches just never have the juice that the chemistry ones have.

My dick is happy to bang either, but it is like my mind can tell the future fate of the approach before it starts.

Damn I wish I was one of those love any flavor of pussy guys. My authenticity would reign over every hot chick.

That's the avoidance weasel, bro!

http://krauserpua.com/2011/06/14/avoidance-weasel/

[Vaun]

I needed to read this thread too. Annoying flakes lately, but I am not without blame. One I met literally right outside my door I took too long with, she flaked, I called her on it, she flaked again, same story. Its not hard to get numbers. Dates and escalation are all that matter. Its easy for me to sit back and not escalate, to try and act cool to build attraction like I used to. But the world is a different place.

You have to move fast, and not rest on your laurels. In the past my game was all about being detached. Now if you dont text a girl back in a few days she forgets you existed. If you dont text or call her immediately after a date she gets butt hurt and floats away. Back in the day this was my method. I would take a girl out on a nice date, then not call her for days, even a week. By the time I did she was eager to see me again, and it heightened her interest because I showed restraint. Now its like a fire fly flew in front of them and caught their attention and they run away if I dont puke text emotion 1 hour after a date. They've been conditioned to think that any restraint or aloofness is flat out rejection, by an over-sensitive, beta populated sexual culture. There could be something to learn from that.

In all, the only thing I come back to is dropping bait, being the clown, escalating quick with same day daygame dates, and being memorable. Never call them on flaking and just roll with it like a cool guy, thats your chance to not look eager. Hook 'em quick, theres something funnier on YouTube, a Bravo show on and 250 OKC messages to answer.

[Nomad77]

Yes, the Internet and smartphones are dramatically shortening our attention spans. And because of this whatever you do build fades quickly in their mind. This is especially true of young American girls.

[MongolianAbroad]

(06-05-2014 10:18 AM)Biologist Wrote:  

1) As you mentioned, move to another city or country that will give you an advantage when it comes to pulling women.

2) If you need to stay in your current city or country, you'll need to increase your value. This can be done by doing things like going to the gym to get a better body, improving your bankroll, pursuing interests and hobbies, widening your social circle etc. The higher your value is, the more incentive a woman will have to maintain her connection with you (as opposed to flaking).

Option 1 is the way to go, by far.

Option 2 is illusory for the VAST majority of men in America. The prize at the end is damaged goods. The supply of nice, beautiful women with a low partner count is simply so small in America as a percentage of the population that the odds of securing one are slim to none.

[MongolianAbroad]

(06-05-2014 07:55 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

I have the feeling blurred seven is a good looking guy. I get the impression nomad is an average looking guy.

We have to remember that average and good looking guys have a completely different life experience. An average guy taking advice from a good looking guy can be like taking advice from a girl. I'm just saying this in general, not toward blurredseven. I've found tall good looking guys to be every bit as solipsistic if not worse than females. Many of them are so used to getting randomly flirted with and eye fucked that it never even occurs to them that this is not normal and that most men do not get random smiles and flirting from women.

If good looking guys woke up tomorrow looking like Flava Flav, they'd then realize their game had little to do with creating attraction. Its main utility was to amplify attraction that was already there and avoid any beta mistakes and logistical failures that would lose the bang. Anyone that thinks a short, ugly guy is gonna push/pull and neg his way to sexual abundance is drinking the koolaid.

Speakeasy is on to something here...I'll make a contribution...

I'm a little over 6' tall. I work out occasionally, but not regularly. I eat mostly paleo. I'm easy on the eyes, but not like a magazine model or anything...but in the army, I was selected out of my battalion to model uniforms. I've had my female boss talk admiringly about my "V" shape in front of all my colleagues. Off the top of my head, here's a few experiences I've had at parties or just walking about in bars and other social settings (these are all in America).

1. I'm walking around in Omaha's Old Market with two law school buddies (they're fat). A girl comes up to me, touches my chest, and tells me she wants to rape me. I laugh, she's skinny and horse-faced, but my two buddies, thirsty, egg me on, asking me to have her come along with us to the Irish Pub we were headed to. I invite her along and she comes with. Before we take a seat, she grabs my balls. I say, "Hey! No, no, no!" and have her sit across from me. She keeps going on about what she wants to do to me that night. I laugh, and my friends talk to her a bit. A while later, she looks at me, pulls down her blouse, and flashes me. No one else at the pub sees this, or they do and choose not to make an issue of it, so we don't get kicked out. At this point, I decide it's time to get rid of her, so I say, "Look, all right, I'll sleep with you tonight," and I look at my buddies, then back at her, and say, "but only if you sleep with all three of us, at the same time." I'm thinking she'll get pissed and storm out. Instead, she says, "Okay, but I don't do anal."
2. I'm with a law school buddy at a nightclub in Omaha, just standing, looking at the dance floor. A girl comes up behind me, wraps her arms around me, and whispers into my ear (as much as you can whisper in a nightclub) "You look lost, what are you looking for tonight?"
3. I'm walking by myself in the back yard of a bar in Austin's East Side, in between a bunch of picnic tables (beer-garden-style), to get to a food trailer. A random girl sitting next to a guy makes a "come here" motion with her finger. I walk over to her. She says, "kiss me." I do. We chat a bit. I later find out the guy sitting next to her was her boyfriend.
4. I'm by myself in the front yard of a bar on Austin's East Side, I feel like relaxing a bit, so I take a seat on some kind of giant rectangle made of wood protruding from the sand floor. A random, cute blond walks up to me, makes eye contact, says nothing, and kisses me.
5. I'm at a bar on Rainey St., talking to two employees of mine, we're standing in a circle. A random girl squeezes in between my employees, comes up to me, grabs my jacket, and starts smelling me. She works her way up until she reaches my neck, just breathing me in.
6. I'm at a house party in Omaha, chatting with some buddies in a circle. A girl I had had spoken one or two words to in passing at other house parties we'd thrown before I moved down to Austin walks by and sees me. She yells, "Spaniard! I haven't seen you in so long!" I go, "Yeah, I moved to Austin, I'm just visiting." She goes, "I've had a crush on you forever!" and then goes on for another couple of minutes talking about how hot she thinks I am. My friends are just watching the whole thing, like, "what the hell, dude!"
7. I'm at some event held by a biking organization in someone's backyard, watching a movie about a bike thief on a projector. I'm standing. A random girl comes up to me and says, "Hi, I wanted to come up and introduce myself." We chat for a bit, then she asks me out on a date, saying, "Would you like to have coffee with me sometime?"
8. I'm at a bar, ordering drinks. A girl slaps my ass, then grabs it and squeezes it. I look back at her, and she says, "I hope you didn't think it was some queer grabbing your ass!"
9. I'm at a bar, ordering drinks. I feel a small hand squeeze my bicep. I look down, and a girl with a nice smile has her hand wrapped partially around my bicep, just looking up at me.
10. I'm at a house party, and this girl with giant tits has been hitting on me all night. She's taken a liking to me over the past couple of weeks even though I've brushed off her advances (she's a friend of one of my tenants). We're in the kitchen, with lots of people milling about, so I decide to mess with her, for fun. I go, "Okay, we've all been wondering, are they real?" She goes, "Yeah, they're real! Touch them!" So I do, and I go, "Okay, you've got to prove it now, take them out, prove it to us." So she does, and it makes the night a little more fun, but she's just one more 5 or 6. Get in line.

I'll stop at 10. It's a good number to stop at.

With all that said, none of the women in these examples were worth dating. As far as looks, they were mostly 5's and 6's, with one or two 7's in looks. BUT that's just looks, in values, in character, none were above a 5 or 6. I use two numbers to rate a girl, one for values/character, one for looks. Finding a 7 in looks to date in America is not that difficult. Finding a 7 in looks that's ALSO a 7 or higher in values in America...that's almost impossible.

[StrikeBack]

Here's an anecdote from my recent travel in the US.

I met up with people from many different countries in NYC for a big event spanning many nights. I approached a lot of cute girls, the interactions went very well etc. Nobody was drunk, so no excuse to forget. Every one of those told me to find them again, they'd love to talk more and dance with me again. They also wanted to invite me to visit their home cities. Apparently I'm a super interesting guy.

I approached those girls for fun and to be social, I did not buy them a drink or try to close. Reason: during this week I was hooking up with a girl who stayed in my hotel.

The next night, when I ran into the girls from US or Canada again, they looked straight pass me as if we never met. They either pretended to or did not recognise me. This is pretty standard in my home city, Melbourne, Australia, so I ignored it and found other people to hang out with.

The following week, while I was in another city, I ran into a few girls (at various points) from a number of different countries - Argentina, Russia, Lithuania, Egypt - whom I met during that 5-nights event. Or more accurately, I was walking down the street when they waved at me and said "hi, StrikeBack!" They remembered my name & we picked up from where we left off. I seriously did not expect them to even remember me, with all the distractions they ran into in NYC. I hooked up with one later on. They all insisted that I visit their home countries / cities next time I travel, and I do believe their hospitality.

The girls from the latter group are a bit more attractive on average compared to the Nth Americans as well.

At some point, we (RVF guys) should blame our own game a little less and place some on the girls we interact with. Anglosphere girls are fucked up.

[csmass]

As I said before, I can bang 9's from foreign countries with ease ( at 5' 8"), but Anglosphere women are just a huge pita to even get a 6 most of the time. It's bizarre, and not really a bad thing. Consider yourself lucky, Argentine women are gorgeous and I love being with them.

[Thesoloist]

I know this thread is old but I figured why not add on instead of make a new one

I think there are a lot of valid reasons in this thread but another reason why women flake so much is because of men

Yup you heard it right, the last 5 years I've seen my guy friends, acquaintances, men flake on men as well.

This is extremely important because once men deem such behavior acceptable it makes it easier for women to justify

Personally speaking having lived in Europe for awhile and here I Just don't tolerate this behavior. American men deal with a lot of disrespect from mediocre women and seem fine with this.