[Greek kamaki]

(06-09-2014 04:52 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

(06-09-2014 01:44 PM)DaveR Wrote:  

(06-09-2014 12:29 PM)young_money Wrote:  

...I'm thinking - Why is the man required to put on the show and do all the talking with no compliance from the woman - if they are really looking for the strong silent powerful type?

Because Russians are more cultured and intellectual than most other nationalities. Theatre, opera, reading, classical music, etc. are more popular in Russia than any other country I know of.

They're not really looking for silent personalities, but rather for intelligent/smart, no-BS guys. Think about what Putin is like - he isn't quiet, but when he talks it's always because he has something to say. In contrast to the Anglo countries, acting dumb/cocky absolutely does not work in Russia.

The same doesn't really apply in Ukraine or in the smaller cities of Southern Russia, in my experience.

Agreed.....

Common saying over there:

"We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak."

It should be added that it is even ok to have moments of silence. unlike America, silence isn't awkward if in moderation.

Tbh Russian/FSU women are too chatty if you see how they chat with their same sex friends. Same for the male gender. That is why social circle is important.

Yes and if you understand what they say it is pain for the ears as most womens conversations.Only when men are near they are ashamed and try to keep a level in discussion.

[young_money]

(06-09-2014 01:44 PM)DaveR Wrote:  

(06-09-2014 12:29 PM)young_money Wrote:  

...I'm thinking - Why is the man required to put on the show and do all the talking with no compliance from the woman - if they are really looking for the strong silent powerful type?

Because Russians are more cultured and intellectual than most other nationalities. Theatre, opera, reading, classical music, etc. are more popular in Russia than any other country I know of.

They're not really looking for silent personalities, but rather for intelligent/smart, no-BS guys. Think about what Putin is like - he isn't quiet, but when he talks it's always because he has something to say. In contrast to the Anglo countries, acting dumb/cocky absolutely does not work in Russia.

The same doesn't really apply in Ukraine or in the smaller cities of Southern Russia, in my experience.

(06-09-2014 04:52 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

(06-09-2014 01:44 PM)DaveR Wrote:  

(06-09-2014 12:29 PM)young_money Wrote:  

...I'm thinking - Why is the man required to put on the show and do all the talking with no compliance from the woman - if they are really looking for the strong silent powerful type?

Because Russians are more cultured and intellectual than most other nationalities. Theatre, opera, reading, classical music, etc. are more popular in Russia than any other country I know of.

They're not really looking for silent personalities, but rather for intelligent/smart, no-BS guys. Think about what Putin is like - he isn't quiet, but when he talks it's always because he has something to say. In contrast to the Anglo countries, acting dumb/cocky absolutely does not work in Russia.

The same doesn't really apply in Ukraine or in the smaller cities of Southern Russia, in my experience.

Agreed.....

Common saying over there:

"We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak."

It should be added that it is even ok to have moments of silence. unlike America, silence isn't awkward if in moderation.

Tbh Russian/FSU women are too chatty if you see how they chat with their same sex friends. Same for the male gender. That is why social circle is important.

I love a woman that can be comfortable with silence - it's an important and wonderful thing. Also, I've been hearing the two ears and one mouth saying since I was a child, so that's the way I was raised.

I guess I was just confusing the initial "silent treatment" on first dates with thinking that I was gonna have to put on some hour long dialogue where she didn't join in to say anything intelligent on every date - cause that's not going to happen.

I can tell by your comment about them being chatty that it's basically just situational and it wouldn't be a miserable experience one they warmed up.

[young_money]

(06-09-2014 01:44 PM)DaveR Wrote:  

(06-09-2014 12:29 PM)young_money Wrote:  

...I'm thinking - Why is the man required to put on the show and do all the talking with no compliance from the woman - if they are really looking for the strong silent powerful type?

Because Russians are more cultured and intellectual than most other nationalities. Theatre, opera, reading, classical music, etc. are more popular in Russia than any other country I know of.

They're not really looking for silent personalities, but rather for intelligent/smart, no-BS guys. Think about what Putin is like - he isn't quiet, but when he talks it's always because he has something to say. In contrast to the Anglo countries, acting dumb/cocky absolutely does not work in Russia.

The same doesn't really apply in Ukraine or in the smaller cities of Southern Russia, in my experience.

I would consider myself fairly cultured. I enjoy all the things you mentioned above and am very ambitious and confident in myself. But just as you mentioned about Putin - my game and personality style is more "sniper" than "shotgun", which I would associate with the West. I talk when I have something important to say or if I'm genuinely interested in the topic. In the US, I'd rather read a book than spend 10 minutes listening to small talk, blathering, ego, boisterous, or cocky/funny bullshit.

I genuinely do not enjoy 95% of what anyone has to say here.

It's just a bit confusing to understand the male/female dynamic in Russia when some say that they don't talk for shit and the next guy says they are great conversationalists. I guess most here might not care either way, but I'm already dating decent, attractive women in the US - but I want to see if Russia blows me away and I want the full package.

It's just something I'm gonna have to see and experience for myself, which I'm looking forward to immensely.

[matthewshannon9]

Its purely my opinion but what I've seen. I think if she is a conversationalist or not depends on two factors, her level of English or your level of Russian. If you can speak and understand Russian, she will talk until you can't take it anymore sometimes. Most girls who are not crazy for a western guy just lack the self confidence to speak and dominate a conversation in English. If you struggle in Russian, are you going to dominate the conversation? Of course not, and every girl I've ever met here has no problem leading a conversation in Russian. If she is a girl looking for a Westerner, good luck, she's 75% American. Luckily those girls are only a very small proportion of the population.

[Mumbojumbo]

I spent a couple of days in Moscow as well - coinciding with Courage Reborn's visit here.

Here are my observations...

The good:

- average girl is a 6 with a good number of 7-8 that you can see in random areas
- good daygame spots like Arbat and Gorki Park (has more duos though) and Tverskoy area (lot's of trendy coffee shops)
- girls are usually sweet once you get a good approach under way
- girls are rather smart, more polyglot and English is spoken/understood rather well

The bad:

- forget online game, it's not useful here (OKC, Tinder, Skout, vk.com, CS etc)
- food, taxis and hotels are crazy expensive for no apparent reason, it's annoying
- there are good, cheap restaurants but you will need a long time to find them
- the logistics aren't easy with most hotels away from daygame spots, long walks can kill any date
- lots of random people approach you here (I was stopped at least 10 times a day) for directions or a money scam, this does not make it easier when you stop a girl
- I went to Gypsy and Strelska and found nightlife not very exciting, two older girls actually apraoched me but I wasn't interested
- there is a ton of money in this city, seemingly a lot of oil money as there are just a few competitive companies/ services around

I was only targeting 7+ here since I wanted to see the benefits of this place.

Surprisingly, as Roosh also noted. I got dates set up with girls that I had just a short interaction with. I gave them just a short burst of attention and asked for the number. I did not even Galnuc. I did not expect much from those numbers - but these girls came out. Girls I had a typical 'daybang' like conversations with (lots of questions and flirting) never even texted back or did not commit to a date within my limited time frame.

It seems it's a good idea to keep the conversation short and go for the number quicker than ever.

Russian guys seem to be really good at the asshole/money game. It seems this is also what makes this economy roll. It's very alpha but it's also bullshit. Girls seem to dig it though. It's a bit like South America but there is more money and faster cars here. Also keep in mind that weight lifting is a Russian past time - so local guys don't come short of muscle here.

If you can bankroll $400/day and have good asshole game (bring your suits!) I think you can get access to a number of really stunning girls (i.e. model types).

This isn't my style of game (at least currently) - so my results weren't really great. If you put the effort in and go on 2+ dates here you'll see results but the top talent isn't easy to crack.

Compared to the US - most people walk and use the metro and given the astronomical food prices you just can't get fat here. So there are a lot of girls here you wouldn't be able to include in your target list in the US/Canada. However I feel it's not much easier compared to US West Coast cities here. Daygame takes time and effort and Moscow seems almost on par with say - Vancouver. Alas Moscow is white girls only - no diversity here.

[Courage Reborn]

This is a damn conservative country.

Getting dates is so, so easy. I've gone on dozens of 1st dates and insta-dates here. Getting follow ups however, is proving much more difficult.

I'm finding that during the date, as soon as I express interest physically (holding her hand, stroking her hair), everything changes for these women.

It's like they go into a strange analysis paralysis. They stop talking, and get very internal. Analytical. I can sense their brain working on overdrive, trying to apply some sort of logic to the situation. Maybe they are logically saying "yes, I'm interested in this high value American guy", but their body is saying, "no, I do not feel emotionally connected yet for touching"?

Maybe it's a cultural difference, and basic touching after 2-3 hours is considered a very bold move? If that's the case, how else do you move things forward and escalate? The ones I do get back to my place, always freeze up like ice walls once I touch them. Am moving too quickly here? Is caveman game the way to go?

Any insight would be appreciated.

[Greek kamaki]

(06-14-2014 08:03 AM)Courage Reborn Wrote:  

This is a damn conservative country.

Getting dates is so, so easy. I've gone on dozens of 1st dates and insta-dates here. Getting follow ups however, is proving much more difficult.

I'm finding that during the date, as soon as I express interest physically (holding her hand, stroking her hair), everything changes for these women.

It's like they go into a strange analysis paralysis. They stop talking, and get very internal. Analytical. I can sense their brain working on overdrive, trying to apply some sort of logic to the situation. Maybe they are logically saying "yes, I'm interested in this high value American guy", but their body is saying, "no, I do not feel emotionally connected yet for touching"?

Maybe it's a cultural difference, and basic touching after 2-3 hours is considered a very bold move? If that's the case, how else do you move things forward and escalate? The ones I do get back to my place, always freeze up like ice walls once I touch them. Am moving too quickly here? Is caveman game the way to go?

Any insight would be appreciated.

You have to speak Russian.Actually in every case Russian women are the first to propose sex.They usually expect something in exchange.I do not do any touching with them but when they have decided to have sex they simply go to bath while in apartment and come back with towel.
There is no escalation this is meaningless when she has already decided to bang you.There is only conversation where you create positive atmosphere.

[Menace]

Are you sure you're connecting with them? It's not like Western girls. The connection comes from a deeper understanding of Russian values. Speaking Russian is definitely huge, probably more important than any cultural understanding. I think overall Russian girls are what "proper" girls are like.

[TripleG]

(06-14-2014 08:03 AM)Courage Reborn Wrote:  

This is a damn conservative country.

Getting dates is so, so easy. I've gone on dozens of 1st dates and insta-dates here. Getting follow ups however, is proving much more difficult.

I'm finding that during the date, as soon as I express interest physically (holding her hand, stroking her hair), everything changes for these women.

It's like they go into a strange analysis paralysis. They stop talking, and get very internal. Analytical. I can sense their brain working on overdrive, trying to apply some sort of logic to the situation. Maybe they are logically saying "yes, I'm interested in this high value American guy", but their body is saying, "no, I do not feel emotionally connected yet for touching"?

Maybe it's a cultural difference, and basic touching after 2-3 hours is considered a very bold move? If that's the case, how else do you move things forward and escalate? The ones I do get back to my place, always freeze up like ice walls once I touch them. Am moving too quickly here? Is caveman game the way to go?

Any insight would be appreciated.

Menace and GK hit the nail on the top of the head. This is why i was somewhat critical of your post earlier in this thread about the ease that you were having meeting Russian girls, going on dates, and in one occasion having basically a ONS. From my experience you need to speak Russian at least part time to be able to express yourself properly and say those anecdotes or compliments at the most unexpected times. A LOT of words and ideas are lost in translation even if a Russian girl speaks decent English.

If any guys on these forums think that in Russia you can do what happens in SEA or America and just go from ONS to another then you will sorely be disappointed (this excludes night game). As i've mentioned before kissing is considered almost like a commitment to some of these Russian girls. Shoot, if the 1st date is only 2 hours then I don't even expect a kiss in Russia. What I usually do is just go for a hug and then a kiss on the cheek.

[TripleG]

By the way guys, ROOSH landed in Moscow yesterday as per his FB post. I am really looking forward to his reports which should be some of the best and most accurate since he does both day & night game.

[DaveR]

(06-14-2014 08:03 AM)Courage Reborn Wrote:  

This is a damn conservative country.

Getting dates is so, so easy. I've gone on dozens of 1st dates and insta-dates here. Getting follow ups however, is proving much more difficult.

I'm finding that during the date, as soon as I express interest physically (holding her hand, stroking her hair), everything changes for these women.

It's like they go into a strange analysis paralysis. They stop talking, and get very internal. Analytical. I can sense their brain working on overdrive, trying to apply some sort of logic to the situation. Maybe they are logically saying "yes, I'm interested in this high value American guy", but their body is saying, "no, I do not feel emotionally connected yet for touching"?

Maybe it's a cultural difference, and basic touching after 2-3 hours is considered a very bold move? If that's the case, how else do you move things forward and escalate? The ones I do get back to my place, always freeze up like ice walls once I touch them. Am moving too quickly here? Is caveman game the way to go?

Any insight would be appreciated.

I think you're probably going too fast for them. They're very conscious of being considered a slut if they get banned by a guy they've known for less than a couple of weeks. The only real exception is drunk girls in clubs, but that will be a SNL situation.

I agree with GK - it's really just a matter of waiting until they're ready to bang. I usually take around 2 weeks, but I spread the dates out so I'm not spending too much time.

Also, a girl being in your apartment doesn't mean a lot. If you want to suggest going back to your place for sex, the usual way is to ask her around "for coffee."

[Courage Reborn]

(06-14-2014 10:39 AM)TripleG Wrote:  

I am really looking forward to his reports which should be some of the best and most accurate since he does both day & night game.

You keep insisting my reports are inaccurate. Yet you have zero data sheets yourself?



You sound like a hater.

If you have a sheet to contribute about a Russian city you've lived in, I'd love to read it.

[jimukr104]

(06-14-2014 02:36 PM)Courage Reborn Wrote:  

(06-14-2014 10:39 AM)TripleG Wrote:  

I am really looking forward to his reports which should be some of the best and most accurate since he does both day & night game.

You keep insisting my reports are inaccurate. Yet you have zero data sheets yourself?



You sound like a hater.

If you have a sheet to contribute about a Russian city you've lived in, I'd love to read it.

I think he meant accurate as in about the Moscow gaming situation because it would include both day gaming and night gaming. Most reports have been one or the other and don't incorporate both night and day. That's what I think he meant anyway lol.

[TripleG]

@courage, I was talking about both day game and night game as Jim mentioned. Few reports talk extensively about both instead concentrating on one or the other. Didn't mean to upset you with any comments.

[JohnQPublic]

(06-14-2014 08:03 AM)Courage Reborn Wrote:  

This is a damn conservative country.

Getting dates is so, so easy. I've gone on dozens of 1st dates and insta-dates here. Getting follow ups however, is proving much more difficult.

I'm finding that during the date, as soon as I express interest physically (holding her hand, stroking her hair), everything changes for these women.

It's like they go into a strange analysis paralysis. They stop talking, and get very internal. Analytical. I can sense their brain working on overdrive, trying to apply some sort of logic to the situation. Maybe they are logically saying "yes, I'm interested in this high value American guy", but their body is saying, "no, I do not feel emotionally connected yet for touching"?

Maybe it's a cultural difference, and basic touching after 2-3 hours is considered a very bold move? If that's the case, how else do you move things forward and escalate? The ones I do get back to my place, always freeze up like ice walls once I touch them. Am moving too quickly here? Is caveman game the way to go?

Any insight would be appreciated.

I haven't been to the "Motherland" but I've met very many Russians living in other European cities. My take on this is that finding a nice, serious American guy who wants to wife up is something like a "Eureka" moment for the Tier 2 girls. So the analysis paralysis is, will the gravy train dry up if I sleep with him? The Russian girls I've known, which is more than a few, fall into three categories.

1 - Want to have fun = DTF on 1st or latest the 2nd, date depending on how serious/slutty they are. Culturally, they are used to guys paying for their drinks, etc. So in many cases you'll have to at least risk that much for one day/night to find out what the story is.

2 - Want to milk you and go to nice restaurants, bars etc = Will try to keep you begging and providing as long as possible. The only way to close these is to get them comfortable and looking forward to the big night out and as soon as they get used to it, basically let them know that the best things in life are not free and that you have other options. Then the majority of these will opt out. This can quickly get expensive. So I only do this if they are so hot that they will provide massive DHV by hanging around with them and the investment is worth the low odds of scoring.

3 - Want a relationship with a foreign guy. These are pretty easy to spot because they are very eager. I think in every case the ones I met in this category, if they were DTF at all, they did it by the 2nd date.

My interpretation is, know your outcome and avoid the category 2s. Everybody has a different experience but I've found that the Tier 1s rarely fall into the 2nd category above, because they probably won't be worried about finding a 'sponsor' who is not a local and are more interested in other things. If they want one, they probably have one or a few, so if you can get a date it's your game to lose. The ones like you described above are probably category 2 and 3, so weed out the time wasters. One Tier I girl I know and claims she has a heavy weight sponsor, was in the 2nd category, but open to the 3rd. After she came to my place for dinner on the second date and did exactly what you describe your girls doing I gave up. But then I ran into her 2x out hunting over the last year and the 3rd time I told her, "I know you never get laid" and she said nothing, but stuck to me all the night, offered to pay for her drinks but I wouldn't let her, then she just decided to morph into category 1, made an excuse to come home with me, boned like a minx with almost zero effort on my part and then went quiet again.

Also keep an eye out for outlier cases. These are girls who already have lots of options and so are not really out hunting but can be capricious and unpredictable. There is one Tier I St Petersburg girl I met last Summer on a Ukraine trip, but never closed, who stayed in contact for a week and then only wrote me in Russian. big shit test? Then after a few months of silence, Russia invaded Ukraine and suddenly she started writing me all the time (only in English) and even invited herself to come visit me, but so far never actually showed up. I think she is starting to fall into category 3. Only time will tell, but as always if you can get in with a Tier I girl, keep her close. They can be closed over time and are worth the effort.

[Akula]

(06-14-2014 08:03 AM)Courage Reborn Wrote:  

This is a damn conservative country.

Getting dates is so, so easy. I've gone on dozens of 1st dates and insta-dates here. Getting follow ups however, is proving much more difficult.

I'm finding that during the date, as soon as I express interest physically (holding her hand, stroking her hair), everything changes for these women.

It's like they go into a strange analysis paralysis. They stop talking, and get very internal. Analytical. I can sense their brain working on overdrive, trying to apply some sort of logic to the situation. Maybe they are logically saying "yes, I'm interested in this high value American guy", but their body is saying, "no, I do not feel emotionally connected yet for touching"?

Maybe it's a cultural difference, and basic touching after 2-3 hours is considered a very bold move? If that's the case, how else do you move things forward and escalate? The ones I do get back to my place, always freeze up like ice walls once I touch them. Am moving too quickly here? Is caveman game the way to go?

Any insight would be appreciated.

Man CR, your situations sometimes are so eerily familiar to me it's scary.

I've literally ran into this kind of thing 3-4 times in recent years, all with 8+ type girls who went from fairly warm (where I'm thinking "I'm almost in") to insta-cold on dates when I tried to either get a little more touchy feely or kiss them at the end of date #1.

Seeing 8+ girls lose interest immediately due to me going "too fast/being a playboy type/etc." after doing the work, getting digits, setting up a date and then seemingly having a great time together is a pretty tough pill to swallow.

I ended up becoming uber-sensitive/aware of not doing kino too fast (indeed, probably became too sensitive about it).

I know this probably isn't helping, but wanted to at least share. Reality is that I simply ended up just being way more cautious on date #1 (I had the time to do this since I was living there and had others in the pipeline, so 'playing it cool' worked many times). I had a "3 and out" rule in any case just to keep things honest and not waste too much time.

[Atlantic]

Couldn't sleep tonight - just read this full thread.

I know its technically just a trip to russia but the perseverance and determination some guys show on this forum is mind blowing. This thread has given me a real itch to step up my game and also inspiration for future plans.

Really cool to read your adventures man and Ill be keeping a close eye on this thread from now on.

+1 from me for sure.

Do you mind giving me a quick background of your life. How did you finance your travels and what are your long term plans. Is russia the first language you learnt and how long did it take?

[Courage Reborn]

Been in Moscow for a few weeks now. I've gotten myself into an annoying limbo zone, with a couple 7's in rotation, and little motivation to approach during the day like an inspired conquistador when I first landed.

I really wanted to score an 8 or 9 while here, ie. a girl I could really be into. But the 7's txt me if they can come over, and I have trouble saying no to sex on tap.

For completeness sake, I have hit the clubs. Gypsy, Rolling Stone, were exactly what I expected. Hot looking, bitch shielded club girls in a loud, competitive environment. I've had better luck at a smaller venue, more local to me called Chesterfield. More normal girls here. Almost got 1 upstairs the other night, but she froze when I opened the door to my place. Then she called a cab. Club game for me has always been mostly close calls like this, a bunch of phone numbers that rarely go anywhere, and occasionally pulling.

My phone has Moscow A, and Moscow B. B's are either too flaky, or on the 4+ date track, or not cute enough to make it worth the effort. 22 girls are B. If I stay another few weeks, I'll take down a few...but for what purpose? I don't see anything long term.

A's on the other hand, I have 15. A's are super hot. But they're difficult. I've already had a proper date with most of them. They give little to work with. They will always answer a txt. But getting logistics is hard. They want to see investment. Many guys do this in the form of gifts, but it doesn't have to be that. It can be time. Emotional. Stories. Etc. One girl told me "you aren't trying hard enough". 5 words was a lot of feedback here, coming from a hot girl who usually texts back next day, with even shorter responses.

The weather has been cold & the skies dreary. The women are affected by this too, and the bright summy energy, see through dresses, and openness has gone away with it. The shitty climate has really put a damper on Moscow, and my mojo this past week.

I have a siberian 7 coming over today for date #5. This is her last chance. Maybe we will have sex, the law of averages rolls lucky, and we fall in love?

A more practical question...stay in Moscow, where the pipeline is good, but motivation is low? Or, fly to St. P now, sate the curiosity, date more blondes, walk the Hermitage...find inspiration?

What should I do?

[Chaos]

Go to Piter or you will regret later when you didn't try it.

[bulldog]

Courage, I understand you bro. You find yourself in a position where you are loosing a motto for the most part just based on the environment (badass weather and conditions + price tag) and taking just too much time to close it up. I can't remember weather conditions this bad as they are this year in the past years. That's global climate change for you. Even in Ukraine (I am based in Kharkov) where it tends to be +10 degrees up to the Moscow weather, it's freak-king cold now.

I think the best thing for your money and excitement-wise would be now close couple of chickens in next couple of days in Moscow and then take a break, move to St. Petersburg. It will take you just 4 hours ride on the Sapsan railway ride. You have nothing to loose.

St. Petersburg is a seconds finest option in Russia. Price tag on service/housing is about 50% less. People generally speak/understand English there as well. It's a very touristy city with an easy access to Scandinavia. From perspective of the native eye and what local people tend to express chickens look even better in St. Petersburg then in Moscow. They put more make up and dress better. But this "better" might be different in the eye of the poosy hunter, of course. It's just the overall feel. Also the quantity of chickens per males surpass this coefficient in the favor of Petersburg.

This advise coming from the native Ukrainian based/Russian speaking dude who has lived, gamed in US/Europe for quite a bit time.

[Courage Reborn]

Siberian girl brought me a homemade pie, with a handwritten note.

Despite going caveman, she still wasn't down. This is after date #5. I had to pull her hair and restrain her arms just to get a 1st real kiss. As she was leaving, she apologized, kissed both my cheeks, and said "Sorry. It's Russian girl character...I would like to see again". And with that, she was gone.

[Akula]

I don't know what tell you quite honestly but you can't lose any way you go I think. Peter is an awesome city best experienced in the summer - you could spend a couple weeks just checking out the Hermitage and other sights, and the "Belie Nochi" (white nights) are a must-do.

I love Moscow but what you're saying isn't suprising to me at all. It's a fast-paced, big, ugly city in many ways, and expensive as hell to just be chillin' there. There's only so much to see too (have you gone to Kolomenskoe, Tsaritino and Izmailovsky park (big market there, kinda fun))? I personally would give Moscow another week, keep all the ovens burning and your two 7s going and push the other higher-end girls to the limit - you got nothing to lose.

If you've done Gypsy, Rolling and a few others you pretty much know the lay of the nightlife land. Icon is pretty good for late night clubbing, also Jagger (near the "White House" building). There is some new place called "Peeple" or something like that directly across Rolling Stone (over the river) that is supposedly 'hot' but I haven't been there as it's pretty new.

Lol on Chesterfield...my buddy always went there and said it was good but everytime I went it was dead or there was some 'private event.' Funny how sometimes it's good - sometimes not. Tarantino restaurant is also on Novy Arbat and has decent food at ok prices. Chaihona is good too and reasonably priced as well (Slubu loved that place and I went there a lot too).

Re the ladies I always felt that the 8+s were really a level of difficulty higher and either too much trouble or pure sponsor-seekers. So I can totally empathize. That said they are do-able, so to speak. You got some mojo and nothing to lose (except a few more $$$s) so as I said maybe one more week in Moscow then Peter?

[bulldog]

(06-19-2014 08:06 AM)Courage Reborn Wrote:  

Siberian girl brought me a homemade pie, with a handwritten note.

Despite going caveman, she still wasn't down. This is after date #5. I had to pull her hair and restrain her arms just to get a 1st real kiss. As she was leaving, she apologized, kissed both my cheeks, and said "Sorry. It's Russian girl character...I would like to see again". And with that, she was gone.

Yeah, It happens in our countries. This is why I found myself with much more sex-partners in US then back in home here. And that's true. US chicks seemed to be slut machines comparing to my own country.

Here In clubs there are a LOT of chicks who just come here to work if they DTF on the first date. But they want money. You can easily detect them just by the time when they arrive to the club. Normally around 2-3 AM.

Also in every club there is a crowd where chicks/companies of chicks normally 4-5 who came here just to party. They don't show any signals at all to the crowd and have IDGF attitude.

And then you can meet a percentage of partying/drunk chicks who are just getting loose and can be turned into ONS, actually. But not my every club visit is like that. I normally just see after chemistry, couple of the words thrown, if she gets my attention and a slut material, then it passes my poosy hunter scanner.

One thing, I had a chick in Kharkov, UKR. She was in her 21, tall, pretty, model-looking, very intelligent. I've picked her online. We had a very long online conversation, looked more like diploma submission to me and she never gave me her number for 2 weeks. This is how she "protected" herself and made this shields. Then in 2 weeks I ironically met her in the park and thats how it went down. I started to had some feeling even back then. I went into some short-term relationship which took me around 4-5 dates and daily vk/phone communications which didn't even results into anything after 1 month spend on her. Mainly because she was a virgin and never had real relationships/hard D inside her before. So that's distance was always there. After this huge wastage of time I made a rule to myself - never fux with Ukrainian virgins. I know chicks who need like 5-6 months of relationships to pop her cherry which is not the playa's play.

If she is not giving it on 5 date, she might take as much time as she needed and you'll be in some better place then. You could be pretty straight forward before you through that poosy in a trash can, Ask her: "Hey, I am a man with steel balls that needs shoot his weapons sometimes. If this is not happening on 5 date, when it's happening." If she doesn't have anything meaningful to reply, forget about it.

Also keep in mind that during a summer time all the sex-steam in Russia/Ukraine moves a bit south to the resorts such as Egypt, Turkey, Dubai. Chicks just come here to see whats up. In those tourist areas ONS are just get real since the chicks are in a tourist/slut-active mode.

[slubu]

CR, I'd go with what Akula is saying. Seems like you are not on a time limit or anything - so why not give it another week or so and see what happens? I may just be partial to Moscow because I really really loved it.

I had a great time in St. Pete in my blue pill days before I knew what the hell I was doing. Seemed like a younger more fun crowd but I'm talking 4 years ago so I'd defer to others here who have more recent experience.

I will say one thing to all of you guys - kudos to going at this alone. I know I'm insanely spoiled in having my buddy with me during almost all my travels. I'm sure that's what gives me the energy to head out night after night, but also I know it impedes a bit of my own self-growth in having a crutch there. I'd probably try day game if I was out there alone.

Anyway keep the stories/reports coming. My favorite thing to do whilst I drink coffee in the mornings and pretend I care about being a lawyer

[William Windsor]

(06-19-2014 08:38 AM)bulldog Wrote:  

One thing, I had a chick in Kharkov...daily vk/phone communications which didn't even results into anything after 1 month spend on her

A chick from Kharkov took me 8 dates. Yeah that took a while, but the good part of that is when I finally got it, it was quite intense.

I never do the daily contact thing, it's really not necessary and IMO, it actually hurts your chances. I use time spacing to build anticipation, also time spacing means time for other things.

I'm looking for an LTR, I personally prefer conservative girls. I also like Kharkov and am planning to go back.