Full out brawling with cops and setting them on fire and whatnot
Is Ukrainian poon not good enough to keep them stable?
I am the cock carousel
Quote: (01-22-2014 11:53 AM)jimukr104 Wrote:
Actually its funny that the west is condemning the cops there. In America folks wouldn't throw Molotov cocktail because the cops would be legally able to respond by shooting dead the protesters who throw them.American cops can open fire when ever they feel threatened about their life, serious injury or possible disfigurement. The Ukrainian cops are being VERY soft if you ask me!
Yes..most of the protesters are from the West of Ukraine.....Most folks in Ukraine's biggest cities are wanting to be closer to Russia. Come to think about it after Kiev the next 4 largest cities are Russain cities(Kharkiv, Dnipro, Odessa, and Donetsk). They are Russian leaning and most folks over 30 think of themselves as Russian regardless if they are ethnic Ukrainians. Its only those born after independence that might think otherwise. The country should just break into 2. The West has the most uneducated folks of Ukraine and lack of resources. They would be poor. Its the Russians that made Ukraine an industrial powerhouse!
Quote: (01-22-2014 12:17 PM)Akula Wrote:Yep..funny thing is the EU doesn't want Ukraine..it was just a trade agreement. My wife (father was KGB so she is an occupier lol) says that the protesters are idiots that they want the agreement because:
Quote: (01-22-2014 11:53 AM)jimukr104 Wrote:
Actually its funny that the west is condemning the cops there. In America folks wouldn't throw Molotov cocktail because the cops would be legally able to respond by shooting dead the protesters who throw them.American cops can open fire when ever they feel threatened about their life, serious injury or possible disfigurement. The Ukrainian cops are being VERY soft if you ask me!
Yes..most of the protesters are from the West of Ukraine.....Most folks in Ukraine's biggest cities are wanting to be closer to Russia. Come to think about it after Kiev the next 4 largest cities are Russain cities(Kharkiv, Dnipro, Odessa, and Donetsk). They are Russian leaning and most folks over 30 think of themselves as Russian regardless if they are ethnic Ukrainians. Its only those born after independence that might think otherwise. The country should just break into 2. The West has the most uneducated folks of Ukraine and lack of resources. They would be poor. Its the Russians that made Ukraine an industrial powerhouse!
Yeah that's pretty much what I've heard/read. Obviously the western press are making this out to be some kind of validation of the EU by saying 'Ukrainians' want to join the EU (and are thus rejecting Putin/Russia). But
the reality is probably more like we're saying - the Western (ethnic Ukranian) half of the country are increasingly afraid of getting too much closer to Russia and wanted a counterbalance - but it's not working out all that well and Europe is less able to given them $$s than Russia is actually. And the "Russian" part of the country could care less and want to maintain close ties with Moscow.
Everyone's also just sick of the corruption as well - the oligarchs have way more power in Ukraine than in Russia and in a way its almost like crime syndicates run a lot of the businesses and enterprises. But hell they've lived with it for a long time, including all through the Soviet Union days, so I have to think it's so ingrained and people are so used to it that a lot of this stuff it's never going to change - and everyone knows it more or less.
Quote: (01-22-2014 12:07 PM)samsamsam Wrote:
Well there goes my vacation plans...
Quote: (01-22-2014 11:53 AM)jimukr104 Wrote:
Yes..most of the protesters are from the West of Ukraine.....Most folks in Ukraine's biggest cities are wanting to be closer to Russia. Come to think about it after Kiev the next 4 largest cities are Russain cities(Kharkiv, Dnipro, Odessa, and Donetsk). They are Russian leaning and most folks over 30 think of themselves as Russian regardless if they are ethnic Ukrainians. Its only those born after independence that might think otherwise. The country should just break into 2. The West has the most uneducated folks of Ukraine and lack of resources. They would be poor. Its the Russians that made Ukraine an industrial powerhouse!
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Between slinging cobblestones at the police and avoiding tear gas poisoning, young men polled by the Kyiv Post have said they come from a wide range of localities, including southern and eastern Ukraine, and many of them are Russian speakers.
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Yarosh, the leader, is a native of Dniprodzerzhynsk in eastern Ukraine, who has been a member of the far-right nationalist movement for 25 years, sounds better prepared for what’s coming.
“I’ve had a confession, I took my communion, so now I am ready to die. I don’t really want to – I am about to have a grandson soon, I don’t want to die – but if I must, I will,” he says.
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Yarosh says Ukraine has been occupied by criminals and oligarchy, and has to be freed from it. A truly independent, free welfare state has to replace it. “The main thing is to get rid of the regime, and what state to build in its stead people will figure out,” Yarosh says.
Quote: (01-22-2014 12:57 PM)Teedub Wrote:A lot of them just don't like the President because he is a criminal.
Quote: (01-22-2014 11:53 AM)jimukr104 Wrote:
Yes..most of the protesters are from the West of Ukraine.....Most folks in Ukraine's biggest cities are wanting to be closer to Russia. Come to think about it after Kiev the next 4 largest cities are Russain cities(Kharkiv, Dnipro, Odessa, and Donetsk). They are Russian leaning and most folks over 30 think of themselves as Russian regardless if they are ethnic Ukrainians. Its only those born after independence that might think otherwise. The country should just break into 2. The West has the most uneducated folks of Ukraine and lack of resources. They would be poor. Its the Russians that made Ukraine an industrial powerhouse!
It's not that simple. There are pro-Ukraine/EU groups like Vitali Klitschko's UDAR, there other groups too that have come from the East of Ukraine to fight against corruption, regardless of whether they're closer to Russia or not. There's also far right nationalist groups too. There's been in-fighting also.
Vitali got attacked with fire extinguishers and it wasn't be the cops.
Here's a story about the opposing groups. I read it last night. http://www.kyivpost.com/content/kyiv/the...35346.html
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Between slinging cobblestones at the police and avoiding tear gas poisoning, young men polled by the Kyiv Post have said they come from a wide range of localities, including southern and eastern Ukraine, and many of them are Russian speakers.
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Yarosh, the leader, is a native of Dniprodzerzhynsk in eastern Ukraine, who has been a member of the far-right nationalist movement for 25 years, sounds better prepared for what’s coming.
“I’ve had a confession, I took my communion, so now I am ready to die. I don’t really want to – I am about to have a grandson soon, I don’t want to die – but if I must, I will,” he says.
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Yarosh says Ukraine has been occupied by criminals and oligarchy, and has to be freed from it. A truly independent, free welfare state has to replace it. “The main thing is to get rid of the regime, and what state to build in its stead people will figure out,” Yarosh says.
I think it would be interesting to go, perhaps not on vacation but as an 'educational' visit so to speak!
It's interesting that we all slam the Euro welfare state, well apart from the healthcare - but these guys sincerely want it. Who am I to judge them. I've never experienced real struggle in my life, hardly anyone on this forum has so perhaps one has to reassess what is important. I'm guessing their idea of a welfare state is more Poland than Sweden so perhaps they're right!
Quote: (01-22-2014 11:53 AM)jimukr104 Wrote:
Actually its funny that the west is condemning the cops there. In America folks wouldn't throw Molotov cocktail because the cops would be legally able to respond by shooting dead the protesters who throw them.American cops can open fire when ever they feel threatened about their life, serious injury or possible disfigurement. The Ukrainian cops are being VERY soft if you ask me!In fact i don't even see guns on their belts.
Another case of the "American Empire" saying do as i say, Not as i do". It sickens me. Western Europe supports the protests for Economic benefits to them and America being Western Europe's bitch supports them.
Yes..most of the protesters are from the West of Ukraine.....Most folks in Ukraine's biggest cities are wanting to be closer to Russia. Come to think about it after Kiev the next 4 largest cities are Russain cities(Kharkiv, Dnipro, Odessa, and Donetsk). They are Russian leaning and most folks over 30 think of themselves as Russian regardless if they are ethnic Ukrainians. Its only those born after independence that might think otherwise. The country should just break into 2. The West has the most uneducated folks of Ukraine and lack of resources. They would be poor. Its the Russians that made Ukraine an industrial powerhouse!
Quote: (01-22-2014 06:08 PM)Teedub Wrote:
If I was a Ukrainian dude with no chance of a location independent income, I'm not surprised they're asking for a more 'liberal' government. Compared to Western Europe or even Central Europe it seems like a bad place to live. It's only good for us guys because we can spend Western-generated wealth there, but imagine being there and having their standard of living.
Just my take and I'm drunk so it's probably a bit misinformed.
Quote: (01-22-2014 06:19 PM)JJ Roberts Wrote:
Surprised that it's just in Kiev and its not spread to other cities in Ukraine.
Quote: (01-22-2014 06:53 PM)Onto Wrote:
Quote: (01-22-2014 12:23 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:
Interestingly there was a survey and most Ukrainians wished Putin was their leader lol.
I wish Putin was our leader too.
Quote: (01-22-2014 06:53 PM)Onto Wrote:
Quote: (01-22-2014 12:23 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:
Interestingly there was a survey and most Ukrainians wished Putin was their leader lol.
I wish Putin was our leader too.