[devilution]

Zatara - that's exactly what I did minus the brush hand away, totally caught me by surprise

Here's and update, in ko tao now, I did some approaches at lotus bar as per Qwests, data sheet. Definitely incredibly friendly crowd, I got a few ' who are you here with' Q but I did the old ' I have no friends etc' which got a laugh.
Now I'm a naturally funny guys which I dunno if it works against me.

First set I opened some British chicks with 'where's the bathroom' to get warmed up, they gave me bad directions
2nd set were some Israeli chicks which I opened, 'sorry I'm trying to work out if I'm seeing doubles' coz they were twins.
Ended up getting interrupted by some spaniards as simple as a cheers, when I tried to manuver them around I ended up losing them, I didn't think it was a great loss considering what I've read about Israeli chicks.
3rd set opened a 4 set, 2 British and 2 Israeli, got their fb coz their phones didn't work. Not sure if anything will happen but one of the Israeli was cute but again Israeli, I told them to have fun at castle and left it at that.
4th set I opened some thai girls, bad English as always, just for some good reaction and energy. Got a number but didn't push it coz I'm here to focus on foreigners. That being said I did open another old lady who said she was here with her daughter, who I suspected was a ladyboy, minimal contact even when 'she' gave me the look and grinds.
5th set I opened a chick alone by the water, she told me she was married and when she shook my hand she was holding really tight with I took as ioi however she let go soon after. (When she told me she was married I was all 'I don't care') and she was Italian.

Final set at lotus was with a South African chick where I said 'u look like sensible girl' she told me it was a terrible pickup line but I rolled ahead with 'wtf does laughing gas do' I ended up meeting her friends and hitting castle with them after 3 am, then it's part 2 which will have to wait coz its 8 am.

[Brosemite]

^ Some catchy one liners dev...I like the initiative.

When traveling abroad, I intentionally avoid slang from the anglosphere to not come off as an American douche with local crowds. I also want to show that I'm a confident nice guy.

With Aussies or other native English speakers, I will utilize slang in just about every other sentence to get inside their space (if there is a girl i might want to bang within the group) while talking with my hands in the most westernized manner as possible.

1) Where are you from? =
"Wherebouts you guys from?"

2) Where are you traveling from? = "Wherebouts you guys traveling from?"

3) Here on vacation? = "So you guys here on vacay?" or "Here on vacay? Likewise, what are the odds? Just like every other Asian tourist snapping too many pics."

4) Why are you here? = "What brings you guys out?"

5) Excuse me, where is (so and so) = "Say, would you guys happen to know where (so and so)" - Should have delivered like that for the restroom opener earlier...also utter that question with a bit of self-importance & entitlement.

I'm sure you have this taken care of. Those are simple openers with a hint of slang instead of being overly clever...but I'm sure you'll do well with the occasional creative one. Delivery is everything.

Living vicariously through you because I've never been able to freely game while in Asia..always been a family agenda sort of thing. Get em.

[jj1up]

I've had some pretty good luck over the years with European women specifically Polish, Swedish etc..... Why exactly that is I couldn't tell you however I've always used the same lines and as yb13 mentioned while traveling alone "hey what's up I know no one here where are you guys from, where are you going, lets kick it" I know I'm no male model, nor would I say I have awesome game however it's never been a huge problem to bang chicks . I'd say just go for the "lets kick it" approach. From there after drinking and partying you'll kind of figure out what's going on and who's into you. Don't just go for the chicks if they are in a huge group coed talk to them all guys included especially Israelis they roll deep and are very often fresh out if the military and have that no man left behind mentality (just hooked up with one before I left Nashville they were on some type of diplomatic mission and wanted to visit music city 2 girls and a guy, the guy ctually helped me close the deal). It's already hard enough to break the "pack mentality" but it's especially hard if your clearly just tryn to stick it in one of them or their friends. On the other hand if your genuine and just being cool without trying too hard your sure to make some progress. Stay fly, smell good!!! I'm a shorts, jeans and t shirt kind of guy though I keep my button ups, casual shoes etc..... Just always make sure to be fly chicks dig that shit doesn't matter where they are from especially your shoes it's the first thing they seem to look at. They know what we want we know what were trying to get they are on vacation and want to do the same thing just don't be a creeper or perv about it shouldn't be a problem.Keep in mind I'm about as introverted as a person can get, and these things routinely work for me. Been in SEA a little over a week and a half and have gotten with 4 chicks though all but one a filipina the other a pretty aggressive white chick from the US here working which it turns out all I had to do was be tall, not a douche and the ability to cook her a meal which didn't include rice or soy sauce. Thanks mom for teaching me how to cook hope this helps.

[socialp]

I have been to Thailand few times and it is a good place to live in.

Women are submissive and small.

Also a lot of international models live in Bangkok

[Kdog]

You're of Asian decent right? Why not take advantage of that and go for the better looking Thai girls? I don't understand wasting time with these gross backpacker chicks that are sweaty all day, dress like shit and are irritating. They all think they're finding themselves on their "unique" trips and they're more Thai than the Thais themselves. Find a nice Thai girl. Or 10.

[devilution]

Yb13 - cheers on those slangs, I'll try them out tonight!

Jj1up - yeah I should have pushed on those Israeli chicks, they were pretty nice looking back... I'm gonna have to update my wardrobe a bit when I get back to BKK. Need a belt and new shoes, it's annoying how hot it is I can only roll with single layer

Kdog - I'll be doing both, thai and tourist chicks. It's like eating food, sometime I want to go Italian or French. The majority of thai I met also don't speak the greatest English, some convo would be cool.

[devilution]

So I hit up the castle party with my new found German friends, a bearded bloke and his dorm friend also German chick, she's a 7 at best.
I unintentionally showed social finesse when a dude I chatted to caught up with us and I basically intro'd him and his girl to our trio and away we went to castle.
At first I wasn't quite sure if I wanted the German chick, she was bout as tall or taller than me, but when leading her around castle I felt her hand grip tight and was like whatever, I'll go for some sauerkraut.

I was not dominant enough, escalations that I would use for Asian girls were not hardcore enough to penetrate her defences, I don't think she saw me as sexual or at least attracted to me. Consistently I'd find her talking to another bloke and they'd make out etc, now I know what y'all thinking, I should have found some other chick by then. I decided if I was going to test my persistency it was tonight, so I'd find her, escalate try and his her (I did get kissed but no where near the same passion or time as the other). Of course all this time I was having fun, chatting to people, making friends, dancing and drinking. I even pulled a thai chick (6) that tried to drag me away within first 3 min, I said no coz I wasn't sure if she was a pro.

I helped intro a German chick to my German friend, he didn't have much game (nice guy tho) so he bowed out. Towards the end of the night the girl lost her wallet so it was downhill for her, we ended up going back to sairee beach and staying awake till 7. All this time we were chilling outside of seven eleven, out comes a Belgium, good looking and tall fella. He starts chatting with the German chick, within 5-10 they were making out.
At least I learned how quickly things can get escalated, too used to Asian gaming.
I played it cool, but when it came down it was 4 dudes inc me and 1 of her, this was hypergamy to the max and truth be told I wanted to see how it plans out. Competition for the girl is always gonna be there, I didn't AMOG any of the other dudes and they seem cool with the whole 'best man wins' without saying it aloud.

Eventually we ended up at the beach, my problem is I left them alone, they full on started making out for 1-2 min, I sat like a chump watching (no need to tell me it's pathetic, I'm only doing this for exp). The Belgium bailed after, I assume he knew he wasn't getting any. So I tried to make out with her as well, again less intensity as the others, eventually I walked her home and went home myself.

Now looking back I could see i made a lot of game mistakes, I think at the end she saw me as a little puppy and gave me pity kisses, again good learning exp of what to do and not to do. We'll see how tonight goes.

[devilution]

Another night, headed to Lotus bar, goddamn ko tao is lame when low season, well not really but considering lotus is the only place going off maybe.
So I started the night with a drink, saw a mate I met last night at castle and partied with him, maybe that was not such a good idea because I didn't get many approaches in. Ended up bouncing to maya beach club which was dead as shit. I did see the Belgium who is a cool guy, we agreed 'not same girl tonight'.

As walking to maya bar I talked to a Hollander, she had a bf which is cool, just warm me up. Then switch to 4 French girls but they didn't show much interest, just in my water.
When walking back I chatted to a chick on the beach, she had some self esteem issues. Ended up fb friends and hopefully she'd wing for me at FMP, had a 'bf' as well, girl was freaken being strung along.

That's bout end of the night, notch count zero again. Fuck I gotta get laid.

[j r]

Why are you so focused on the party scene? If you're that determined to bang a tourist, why not focus on the girls traveling solo or the chicks who hang out in laid-back bars. Is it a total spring break scene? There's got to be other options.

[Brosemite]

(11-14-2013 05:17 PM)j r Wrote:  

Why are you so focused on the party scene? If you're that determined to bang a tourist, why not focus on the girls traveling solo or the chicks who hang out in laid-back bars. Is it a total spring break scene? There's got to be other options.

Great pts. But I think he just arrived in Koh Tao first night out & went with the flow. He should be around for a few more days so will likely get a better calibration of the island besides just party scene.

Still, excellent points. Time to isolate yourself from the dude packs if they aren't helping you get leads.

[devilution]

J r - there is one reason, back home I'm an introverted dude, in fact I'd avoid to go out if I can. One of the reason I booked thailand was to get accustomed to party life, at least so I actually head out. You guys make a good point about finding that one single girl, perhaps I have to hit the scene earlier. However from what I can see ration is still guys 6:4 girls, and that's not counting the bangable. That single girl ain't single for long.
Tomorrow is my last night in ko tao b4 FMP, which is likely to be a cockfest.

[scandibro]

I wouldn't waste my time on white chicks if I had an in like you, that is looking Korean which is definitely in with the girls now. You should head to Bangkok and go to places like Scratch Dog (after hitting up Ekamai, RCA, Thonglor) and pretend to be Korean. You'd bang some good looking Thai girls for sure. As a korean looking dude, you're in a much better position than white guys, so why not take advantage of being the top prize versus at best being the middle of the pack with white girls?

If you want to bang white girls go to Sweden or Norway or better yet, one of the greek or spanish party islands in the summer.

Also, ladyboys are disgusting and the way to deal with them is to internalize the concept that you're not going to accept shit from them. Definitely do not allow them to touch you. If they do, say no distinctly and swat their hands away. Don't get violent though as these guys are frequently criminal and travel in packs.

[Brosemite]

(11-14-2013 05:35 PM)devilution Wrote:  

J r - there is one reason, back home I'm an introverted dude, in fact I'd avoid to go out if I can. One of the reason I booked thailand was to get accustomed to party life, at least so I actually head out. You guys make a good point about finding that one single girl, perhaps I have to hit the scene earlier. However from what I can see ration is still guys 6:4 girls, and that's not counting the bangable. That single girl ain't single for long.
Tomorrow is my last night in ko tao b4 FMP, which is likely to be a cockfest.

Yeah that's a minor hindrance, but don't obsess about it. Game starts from your immediate surroundings at home. While I prefer to be more of an introverted guy with age, people have always told me how extroverted & talkative I am meaning those social skills have been developed for quite some time (Introvert with many extroverted attributes).

Go out, spit your style of game, continue to evolve, and enjoy your time out there. No idea why I decided not to head for a beach this December haha.

[jj1up]

(11-14-2013 08:22 AM)devilution Wrote:  

Yb13 - cheers on those slangs, I'll try them out tonight!

Jj1up - yeah I should have pushed on those Israeli chicks, they were pretty nice looking back... I'm gonna have to update my wardrobe a bit when I get back to BKK. Need a belt and new shoes, it's annoying how hot it is I can only roll with single layer

Kdog - I'll be doing both, thai and tourist chicks. It's like eating food, sometime I want to go Italian or French. The majority of thai I met also don't speak the greatest English, some convo would be cool.

I feel you 100% Devilution Im like you I need varietly. as much as I like asian chics I need to mix it up as well, white/black/latino girls need love too lol

[jj1up]

@YB13 you too will be at FMP? anyone else? I have devilutions contacts and will hit him up when I hit Kho Phangan tomorrow what are your plans a meetup seems very appropriate.

[Brosemite]

(11-15-2013 01:19 AM)jj1up Wrote:  

@YB13 you too will be at FMP? anyone else? I have devilutions contacts and will hit him up when I hit Kho Phangan tomorrow what are your plans a meetup seems very appropriate.

Hey bro will not be SE Asian unfortunately. Have some fun out there though!

[iknowexactly]

(11-14-2013 08:39 AM)devilution Wrote:  

Now looking back I could see i made a lot of game mistakes, I think at the end she saw me as a little puppy and gave me pity kisses, again good learning exp of what to do and not to do. We'll see how tonight goes.

Good story for those of us that seem to lose out more Alpha or better looking guys, as I read on Heartiste sometimes "Humiliation is the only answer" when you're trying to pull yourself out of weak performance.

Crashing and burning at least gets me to see the humor in things and not give a shit.

[WanderingSoul]

(11-14-2013 05:56 PM)scandibro Wrote:  

I wouldn't waste my time on white chicks if I had an in like you, that is looking Korean which is definitely in with the girls now. You should head to Bangkok and go to places like Scratch Dog (after hitting up Ekamai, RCA, Thonglor) and pretend to be Korean. You'd bang some good looking Thai girls for sure. As a korean looking dude, you're in a much better position than white guys, so why not take advantage of being the top prize versus at best being the middle of the pack with white girls?

If you want to bang white girls go to Sweden or Norway or better yet, one of the greek or spanish party islands in the summer.

Also, ladyboys are disgusting and the way to deal with them is to internalize the concept that you're not going to accept shit from them. Definitely do not allow them to touch you. If they do, say no distinctly and swat their hands away. Don't get violent though as these guys are frequently criminal and travel in packs.

Have you been to Scratch Dog recently? I hadn't been in almost a year and last time I went, couple months ago, it was packed with Singaporean tourists and hookers. I wouldn't recommend anyone go there anymore. Maybe it was an off night, but it never used to be that bad.

Don't swat a ladyboys hand away. Just gently remove it and move on. Any ladyboy who grabs you isn't a normal ladyboy. A normal Thai ladyboy won't grab your cock, only a hooker, probably a cracked out one, will do that. If you're in an area with those kinds of ladyboys then getting into any confrontation at all is a bad idea. The last month alone one dude got murdered by a group of 7 ladyboys in Pattaya for screaming at one to fuck off. Another guy, think it was 2 Japanese guys actually, got sliced up with a knife by a ladyboy just a couple weeks ago. I'd imagine many more cases of assault go unreported. Not like the Thai police will do shit anyways.

Not making any eye contact with them goes a long way in not getting grabbed. I rarely have any ladyboys try to grab me, but I give them zero eye contact and completely ignore them. If they see you looking at them from a distance they are much more likley to come up to you.

[JayJuanGee]

(11-15-2013 02:23 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  

Don't swat a ladyboys hand away. Just gently remove it and move on. Any ladyboy who grabs you isn't a normal ladyboy. A normal Thai ladyboy won't grab your cock, only a hooker, probably a cracked out one, will do that. If you're in an area with those kinds of ladyboys then getting into any confrontation at all is a bad idea. The last month alone one dude got murdered by a group of 7 ladyboys in Pattaya for screaming at one to fuck off. Another guy, think it was 2 Japanese guys actually, got sliced up with a knife by a ladyboy just a couple weeks ago. I'd imagine many more cases of assault go unreported. Not like the Thai police will do shit anyways.

Not making any eye contact with them goes a long way in not getting grabbed. I rarely have any ladyboys try to grab me, but I give them zero eye contact and completely ignore them. If they see you looking at them from a distance they are much more likley to come up to you.

Rio:

Are you getting better at spotting ladyboys in recent times? I am thinking about the issue both in Thailand and the Philippines, but I realize that you are mostly referring to Thailand. I have also read several posts and informational sources about how to spot a ladyboy.

Nonetheless, frequently I see pictures of ladyboys, and I cannot figure it out. And, I keep thinking that part of my intended practice is going to be to ask and to verify with girls that they are NOT ladyboys - before I proceed to flirt with them (and maybe to engage in such inquiries in a fun way).

[WanderingSoul]

It's usually very easy to spot a ladyboy. It really isn't the problem a lot of people think it is. It's a way overblown issue. Between the hands, feet, Adams apple, strange voice, etc. there is always something that seems a bit off. Surgery can fix some things, but I've never come close to being tricked. I believe it's pretty rare to be tricked after you've been here for a little while. If she's that convincing, you probably bang her and never even know she was a ladyboy, but I'm 99% sure that's never happened to me.

[JayJuanGee]

(11-15-2013 03:57 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  

It's usually very easy to spot a ladyboy. It really isn't the problem a lot of people think it is. It's a way overblown issue. Between the hands, feet, Adams apple, strange voice, etc. there is always something that seems a bit off. Surgery can fix some things, but I've never come close to being tricked. I believe it's pretty rare to be tricked after you've been here for a little while. If she's that convincing, you probably bang her and never even know she was a ladyboy, but I'm 99% sure that's never happened to me.

Have you banged 100 "girls" in Thailand, yet?

You can see where I am going with this?

[devilution]

Scandibro - yeah, plans is to head back to BKK to lick my wounds, after FMP of course.

Iknowexactly - Big fan of CH, i definitely need to get out there and get some more ref exp

Jj1up - I'm looking forward to your arrival mate, from exp a congregation of different races e.g. Black/white/yellow speaking English always draws attention. I found in BKK when hanging with muc the Thai girls were all 'wtf, who are these guys'

[WanderingSoul]

(11-15-2013 04:08 AM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  

(11-15-2013 03:57 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  

It's usually very easy to spot a ladyboy. It really isn't the problem a lot of people think it is. It's a way overblown issue. Between the hands, feet, Adams apple, strange voice, etc. there is always something that seems a bit off. Surgery can fix some things, but I've never come close to being tricked. I believe it's pretty rare to be tricked after you've been here for a little while. If she's that convincing, you probably bang her and never even know she was a ladyboy, but I'm 99% sure that's never happened to me.

Have you banged 100 "girls" in Thailand, yet?

You can see where I am going with this?

Over fifty. Not sure how many. I've had a girlfriend for a while, and averaged about 1 new girl a week before that. I find a few keepers and let them stick around for a while. Not the same rapid fire approach as Fisto and THC. One date a week is more than enough for me. Especially when I'm training Jiu Jitsu. No good to show up to a date sweaty and tired.

Even at 100, banging a ladyboy isn't really a concern for me. I think you'd have to be pretty blasted to not suspect at least a little that she's a man.

[scandibro]

Ladyboys can fool you in a picture, they often photograph well, no doubt due to their narcissism and probably more prominent facial features, but in real life, sober and in well lit areas, they're not fooling me. Look is one thing, voice is another, vibe is the killer. Ladyboys are men, they don't give you that same instinctual feeling you get with a real girl, something feels 'off'. Yeah, you might even get a boner (some know how to play very well on the female form), but it will be a weird boner.

The only times ladyboys can fool me are in dark nightclubs when I've had significant amount of booze. It can be practically impossible to tell from a distance if they're a ladyboy or not.

Agree that ladyboys are best just ignored, just like touts. I am completely oblivious to both. They can stand one meter from me and repeat 'massage' or 'hey sexy man' as long as they want, I will not acknowledge them at all.

[VincentVinturi]

(11-15-2013 08:40 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  

One date a week is more than enough for me. Especially when I'm training Jiu Jitsu. No good to show up to a date sweaty and tired.

I always schedule dates after BJJ. And it works in my favor because:

1. BJJ ends at 9:00pm, so the whole situation is loaded with sexual overtones right from the start. What else are you going to do that late but have a quick drink and go bang?

2. I'm sweaty and smelly, so I have a valid excuse to get a quick drink and bounce to my place because I "badly need a shower and a change of clothes." Not that you need a valid excuse or anything.

I feel pretty aggressive and manly after BJJ too so that helps move things along in the right direction. But I can see your point about wanting to show up dressed normally and not smelling like 15 dudes.

And Rio...you train BJJ...?