[Kona]

(07-16-2011 10:07 AM)Lumiere Wrote:  

Ok so lets see some videos in this thread that you guys think show better daygame.

I have seen some of the krauser vids and they are good in that he focuses on vibe but it seems way too indirect to me.

As for the haters, post vids of you doing better please.

Lumiere,

I really don't have any videos of myself trying to swoop girls. Maybe I have some of me actually fucking them, that's it though.

When you were in Hawaii you sent me some text messages. Some of them went like this:

"Hey bra, I'm downtown running some daygame."

And I responded: "Oh shit"

Than you said "Just met the hottest local girl, shes got a boyfriend, damn"

Then I said "Where you staying?"

And you said "Don't know. Hostel is expensive. Looking for a couch to crash on"

After that I just left it alone.

You had mentioned the couch in texts and emails you sent me in previous days.

Because you are "location independent" and I am "leary of strangers on the internet" these communications were all done on prepaid cell phones. Nonetheless, I took you telling me how cool you were, then mentioning sleeping over, to mean you were fishing for a free place to sleep, but didn't have the balls to straight out ask.

Were you actually in Chinatown jumping out at girls like your buddy is in this video? Were you wearing your hat? There's a lot of girls from The Philippines down there. You're an expert with those LBFMs, did get anywhere?

Do I stand corrected, and a master pick up artist was ready to show me the ropes?

Most importantly, did you videotape it? If so, please put that on youtube or something. I would love to see it.

It's not bra, it's BRAH.

Aloha!

[MiXX]

Oooouuuccccchhhhhh!!!!!!!!! That was not even targeted at me, and I feel roasted

Mixx

[haywire]

Like most others even I couldn't make past the first lame pickup attempt. It violates so many basic game principles that even a noob after his first read of The Game could pin point, like complimenting too much, being too try hard, no dhv, buying into her frame etc.

My lamest moment in the video was:

Girl: I'm very hard to impress
PUA: Really? Have you seen my biceps?

WTF!!

[UgSlayer]

BTW...this is great promo for Roosh's new book. Thread almost seems staged and orchestrated.

[Jack_007]

This guy is a retard. Watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psGEYfu-rwM

[MiXX]

(07-16-2011 06:55 PM)Jack_007 Wrote:  

This guy is a retard. Watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psGEYfu-rwM

All that work for a girl who has NO ASS, and a 5 at best! Even this average 5 was giving him a hard time for a dumb number x-change. This should have been a slam dunk if he dressed right, and was a lot smoother.

Mixx

[Pilgrim37]

Oxford Circus...I live pretty close to that spot....not a bad place to spot talent.A lot of model scouts frequent the area cause of all the teen totty passing by heading for Top Shop .Lots of variety,international.

The openings were a bit on the jokey side,but he's got some balls and got a few conversations started..not much play though I guess.

Very brave hair.
It always seems to be those guys that stop girls but I'm not sure how far they get beyond a laugh and mild amusement from the girl.

[JayMillz]

Entertaining. There are probably women that like the attention and his goofiness cause its amusing. I give him props for putting himself out there like that, especially if he can pull babes looking like a cornball with little sense of style. Who knows if the 100 times he got a bad reception were just edited out of the vid? Either way, there were some good and bad things about his style.

[speakeasy]

So he just inflated about 10 women's egos and will get zilch in return for it.

Stopping women women walking into the tube by leaning over the rail???

Only plus about this video was the great technical quality of the footage.

[Nonpareil]

How has no one touched on jumping in front of a girl and saying 'Don't panic, I'm not crazy...' as an opener? Who fucking does that!?

The best pickups are pickups where the girl isn't immediately aware that she's being picked up, this is especially true for daygame. Roosh and others have said; if you watched my best daygame pickups, you'd get bored and walk away quickly; seriously, yesterday afternoon I number-crunched a girl in fifteen minutes talking to her about music because she had this tattoed on her arm; just vibing, almost no teasing, no verbal DHV (sharp dressed = DHV), a few qualifiers ('Did you see them two years ago when they came to town?') and a bit of humor that wasn't 'big' like this guy. I guarantee girl would have walked away if I was trying as hard as this guy.

I can see this working based on sheer numbers in a target-rich environment, but I'm much more willing to bank on my game being solid enough to convert 1 in 25 while being a little more passive instead of converting 1 in 100 and putting in all that extra work.

[Lumiere]

(07-16-2011 03:56 PM)Kona Wrote:  

(07-16-2011 10:07 AM)Lumiere Wrote:  

Ok so lets see some videos in this thread that you guys think show better daygame.

I have seen some of the krauser vids and they are good in that he focuses on vibe but it seems way too indirect to me.

As for the haters, post vids of you doing better please.

Lumiere,

I really don't have any videos of myself trying to swoop girls. Maybe I have some of me actually fucking them, that's it though.

When you were in Hawaii you sent me some text messages. Some of them went like this:

"Hey bra, I'm downtown running some daygame."

And I responded: "Oh shit"

Than you said "Just met the hottest local girl, shes got a boyfriend, damn"

Then I said "Where you staying?"

And you said "Don't know. Hostel is expensive. Looking for a couch to crash on"

After that I just left it alone.

You had mentioned the couch in texts and emails you sent me in previous days.

Because you are "location independent" and I am "leary of strangers on the internet" these communications were all done on prepaid cell phones. Nonetheless, I took you telling me how cool you were, then mentioning sleeping over, to mean you were fishing for a free place to sleep, but didn't have the balls to straight out ask.

Were you actually in Chinatown jumping out at girls like your buddy is in this video? Were you wearing your hat? There's a lot of girls from The Philippines down there. You're an expert with those LBFMs, did get anywhere?

Do I stand corrected, and a master pick up artist was ready to show me the ropes?

Most importantly, did you videotape it? If so, please put that on youtube or something. I would love to see it.

It's not bra, it's BRAH.

Aloha!

I am not a pick up artist.

As for master pick up artist, I have never met anyone who described themself as a master pick up artist that was anything but awful with women.

[Qtip]

I could be missing something here, but it seems to me that the horrible outfit, hair, and overall look shows there is no excuses. If that dude looking like that is getting numbers anyone can, that's what I took away from the video anyway. He didn't even have good delivery, sounded like he has a sinus infection and was talking through his nose. He was really good at keeping the conversation going, which personally is my biggest problem, I'll approach any girl, I just run out of stuff to say way to quick. Kinda amazed how the girls would let their guard down after about 2 minutes of talking, I've always relied on a second encounter to get past the shield, and accepted it as fact for guys like myself with average looks and charisma.

[Roosh]

(07-16-2011 06:37 PM)UgSlayer Wrote:  

BTW...this is great promo for Roosh's new book. Thread almost seems staged and orchestrated.

In my sales page I'll link to this video with the text: "Do you NOT want to jump in front of girls and say you're not crazy? Well with my method, you don't have to."

[Vicious]

Kona: Your continued bickering with Lumiere is best left for PMs. It gets a little embarrassing when you're letting personal correspondence seep out out of context in his thread(s).

As for the video itself. I can't recall any of my daygame working like this. Daygame is in my mind very little from casual talk ramped up with body language, vibe and a close. The mic and video quality is top notch though.

[Pilgrim37]

He was smart in his choice of location.
Scouting for sexy young women within 100 metres of a Topshop store..in this case the biggest and original in London was his best move.Teens to 30's can't get enough of it.
Not so smart move...jumping in front of chosen mark and saying:
"Don't panic,I'm not crazy!" ,immediately confirming to the girl you are.

[Samseau]

Kona damn that was hilarious. Lumiere must have really done something to piss off Kona like that.

[Vicious]

I just remembered that some of the best daygame vids I've seen was made by juggler in the brief tv-show he had with some other "dating expert". It made for lousy tv since they were mostly trying to coach newbies who were miserable to behold and Juggler's approach though solid were pretty uneventful to watch.

Truth be told, Juggler IS also a pretty good looking guy.

[playa_with_a_passport]

(07-17-2011 06:36 AM)Vicious Wrote:  

Kona: Your continued bickering with Lumiere is best left for PMs. It gets a little embarrassing when you're letting personal correspondence seep out out of context in his thread(s).

No, I say keep them coming, I actually enjoy reading Kona's stories about Lumiere. They are funny, witty and entertaining. Whether those stories are actually true that's something only Kona, Lumiere and God know....

Quote:

"Don't know. Hostel is expensive. Looking for a couch to crash on"

After that I just left it alone.

Epic, pure epic...

[Lumiere]

(07-17-2011 10:46 AM)playa_with_a_passport Wrote:  

Whether those stories are actually true that's something only Kona, Lumiere and God know....

Hint : The guy has never met me.

Quote:

"Don't know. Hostel is expensive. Looking for a couch to crash on"

After that I just left it alone.

Kona only lets your crash on his couch if you agree to work 12 hour days for him for 3 bucks an hour as his personal slave, erm I mean assistant.

[ConsciousDreams]

(07-17-2011 11:33 AM)Lumiere Wrote:  

(07-17-2011 10:46 AM)playa_with_a_passport Wrote:  

Whether those stories are actually true that's something only Kona, Lumiere and God know....

Hint : The guy has never met me.

Quote:

"Don't know. Hostel is expensive. Looking for a couch to crash on"

After that I just left it alone.

Kona only lets your crash on his couch if you agree to work 12 hour days for him for 3 bucks an hour as his personal slave, erm I mean assistant.

Lumiere, I don't know you or Kona, and I am not stepping into the middle of your beef with him, but I just read that thread about his job offer.
I think it is pretty good. Read between the lines. He doesn't want a slave. There are plenty of people desperate for a job in Hawaii with its high cost of living, etc.
It sounds like he wants someone who could potentially rise to be his partner/right hand man. The only thing that seemed odd to me is the concealed weapon thing, but maybe he deals in cash for payroll stuff.
Sure, there's busy work there and menial tasks, but that is your typical new job hazing stuff.
What he really wants is someone energetic, who can take things up a notch, maybe contribute business ideas, and be rewarded when they produce something of value. That sounds like a pretty fair shake to me, especially when he's providing the basics.
Kona can correct me if I'm wrong.

[thegmanifesto]

I don't want to take sides in the Lumiere VS Kona beef either.

Lumiere has helped me out on DR. And he is traveling the world so he is a great resource.

Kona is rock solid and one of the best contributors to this forum in my opinion. We are lucky to have him and his "Island perspective".

However, I agree that there was nothing wrong about his job offer.

You have to pay your dues in this world.

It all seemed on the level to me and a great opportunity for the right candidate.

[el mechanico]

(07-17-2011 11:56 AM)ConsciousDreams Wrote:  

(07-17-2011 11:33 AM)Lumiere Wrote:  

(07-17-2011 10:46 AM)playa_with_a_passport Wrote:  

Whether those stories are actually true that's something only Kona, Lumiere and God know....

Hint : The guy has never met me.

Quote:

"Don't know. Hostel is expensive. Looking for a couch to crash on"

After that I just left it alone.

Kona only lets your crash on his couch if you agree to work 12 hour days for him for 3 bucks an hour as his personal slave, erm I mean assistant.

Lumiere, I don't know you or Kona, and I am not stepping into the middle of your beef with him, but I just read that thread about his job offer.
I think it is pretty good. Read between the lines. He doesn't want a slave. There are plenty of people desperate for a job in Hawaii with its high cost of living, etc.
It sounds like he wants someone who could potentially rise to be his partner/right hand man. The only thing that seemed odd to me is the concealed weapon thing, but maybe he deals in cash for payroll stuff.
Sure, there's busy work there and menial tasks, but that is your typical new job hazing stuff.
What he really wants is someone energetic, who can take things up a notch, maybe contribute business ideas, and be rewarded when they produce something of value. That sounds like a pretty fair shake to me, especially when he's providing the basics.
Kona can correct me if I'm wrong.

I read Konas post too.
If I were'nt so busy with my own stuff here I would love to pack heat, smoke weed, build boat engines and swoop girls with him in Hawaii. I groom dogs too. I would do it for free!

[Kona]

(07-15-2011 04:40 AM)Lumiere Wrote:  

This is a buddy of mine. Oddly enough, not through the community but because we used to play poker in the same London poker club.

I gotta wonder about this "community" you're talking about.

The guy in this video is Lumiere's buddy. Does anyone remember Lumiere's other buddy that was on the forum once? It was right here: http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-1991.h...ght=ginger. Lumiere deleted his post where he told people how legit the guy was, but he recommended the guy's blog here: http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-11...ght=ginger.

Oh, wow. The guy that was mad about getting ripped off is the hair pie jumping around in the video isn't it???

Lumiere, you roll with a tough crew!

Here's one jackass telling people his video is just on the fly footage and not staged. Then you got another guy stealing what that weasel writes. In the middle you got Lumiere who'll tell you how cool he is and that he has a "rocker" style when in actuality he's just looking for a free couch to lay his stank ass on when he comes to your town.

Maybe I'll start my own "community". All I gotta do is round up a few of these PUA's, smack them around a little, and let them know they're gonna be working for me. They can't get laid, but I bet Gingerpua, and Sashapua, and Lumierepua would be the greatest t-shirt or timeshare selling squad around. I just gotta remember to make sure my bitches take a bath before I put them on the street.

And thanks for linking up my job offer Lumiere. The one here: http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-3071.h...ht=haleiwa. One of my guys has to leave and I'll be looking for someone again shortly. I'm just too busy making money to do anything about it. A few guys already got at me just seeing you put it up. I'll type some more up about it on that thread.

Aloha!

[Riker]

Hey I know everyone is hating on each other and stuff but I met Sasha in buenos aires and he was cool. Its funny I actually saw that thread of Lumiere, went on Ginger's blog and then the next day went to take this pickup class from this pickup school that two argies started that Ginger was a guest coach at. I went with Ginger to watch Sasha do some standup and then we all went out for drinks. It was pretty fun, guys seemed cool. Ginger asked me to pay for a plane ticket though not that much after the whole thing.... said he couldn't get money from his bank and he'd pay me in a week or 2 I think. I barely knew him so I said no.... but other than he was cool and helped me out doing a few approaches and questions I had.

[Lumiere]

(07-17-2011 07:18 PM)Kona Wrote:  

I'm just too busy making money to do anything about it.

Maybe you can afford to pay the next guy more than half legal minimum wage then.