[Diablo]

(07-06-2011 08:56 AM)pitt Wrote:  

Diablo you been to Ghana before? I would love to read a datasheet about Ghana, places to day game chicks and things like that. Yo Ghana got some bad bitches, i was fucking one last year, she had a bootyyyy.

Man i think confidence attracts women from everywhere, i personally see denzel washington as an Alpha, he is far from being a beta. The guy can play the role he wants to play, in my opinion that is what makes a true alpha.

Yeah I will...I just need time to put together a report. I am in Ghana right now so I know alot. Been to the Ashanti region and Volta region (check google). I can't wait to get back to Europe and the States. I have to get home.

regarding the Alpha thing, Yes Denzel is Alpha but compare Denzel to 50 cent. I'd say 50 is probably over confident or more macho. Denzel would have a task appealing to the more younger black American women (18-25) because they like the look and the danger aspect. Put it this way. If Meagan Good or Keri Hilson had the chance to fuck 50 cent or Denzel Washington...who do you think she'll fuck?

I have an idea who she'll fuck...It's gonna be the guy with the Du-rag with tattoos...


Were going off topic abit.....Lets get back to how classy latinas from good homes and how black guys can link em...

Back to latin america and the brothas there.

I am not a racist and if I am going to date any woman it's gonna be 9's and 10's with good character...I don't care if she is latina, white, black, asian, Martian etc etc....I wanna fuck with the dimes. No man should SETTLE for anything but the best.

[Theogreat]

@Diablo I think most black men in this forum fail to understand that most women want to date and marry within their own race, in fact most people do that. Especially latianas their culture is strong, marrying out is frowned upon especially to a black man. I think that most non black women don't want to have to explain to their family why their dating a black guy or being stared at in public or having kids that will looking nothing like them and be called black. I think this why you have two types of non black women that date/marry black men. The unattractive ones because they have nothing to lose and is getting a man that is way more attractive then she ever could get within her own race. Then you got the gold diggers they date/marry a certain type of black man(well off to rich) because the monetary returns outweigh any ostracization that she might face within society.

Not all black women are ghetto Atholone/Diablo, I don't think its fair to judge to black women based on the small number that you have been exposed to. I have met and dated several classy,attractive black women who were quite feminine.

[Diablo]

(07-06-2011 09:12 AM)Theogreat Wrote:  

@Diablo I think most black men in this forum fail to understand that most women want to date and marry within their own race, in fact most people do that. Especially latianas their culture is strong, marrying out is frowned upon especially to a black man.

Agreed and I have also seen where Latinas and their family reject a man for being a foreigner and white. Case in point a girl from the DR and her father got pissed that she was dating an italiano instead of a Dominicano. I think with time they may come around though.

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I think that most non black women don't want to have to explain to their family why their dating a black guy or being stared at in public or having kids that will looking nothing like them and be called black. I think this why you have two types of non black women that date/marry black men. The unattractive ones because they have nothing to lose and is getting a man that is way more attractive then she ever could get within her own race.

I agree totally

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[b]Then you got the gold diggers they date/marry a certain type of black man(well off to rich) because the monetary returns outweigh any ostracization that she might face within society.

Ahhhh Every woman on the planet is a goldigger/whore....Even our own sisters and mamas...Marriage as far as I am concerned is legalised prostitution. With the right amount of money and style you can transcend all this prejudice and any woman you want the trick is to get a good enough woman. Do you think Angelina would have married Billy if he didn't have money or wasn't famous. Sure he could probably fuck her but to marry him so he could continually fuck her...I doubt it.

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Not all black women are ghetto Atholone/Diablo, I don't think its fair to judge to black women based on the small number that you have been exposed to. I have met and dated several classy,attractive black women who were quite feminine.

I am not saying they are all ghetto....Hell I am not even saying the majority of them are ghetto. Just a tiny percentage if that. I am saying that its built into the culture that you have to be more macho than normal most of the time. You see the black community in Europe and US is matriarchal not Patriarchal and I don't feel like explaining this whole thing because it's not the right thread for this but women mostly dominate activity more so than men. The first self made millionaire was a black woman not a black man. The first Billionaire - Oprah Winfrey. Do you see where Im going with this.

Now how many wealthy or middle class black women are there in US society. Alot of times they get pregnant and drop out of school or worse, the daddy takes off for what even reason or ends up in jail or worse, the chick has to raise the child on her own, the child hates his/her dad for not being there etc etc. I am not making excuses its just the way it is. Add to that institutionalized racism and other forms of prejudice and it makes the whole scenario worse. Not many black men are in the middle class either.

I think the operative words are PREJUDICE and RACISM. we need to differentiate between the 2.

Racism is the belief that one race is superior to another. That has to be taught, or developed as a cultural ideology (for example, the Spanish Reconquista, pushing the Moors out of Iberia, used race as a rallying cry) or during the slavery periods in the US and the Americas or KKK or Nazi's etc etc.

Prejudice is different. Prejudice is the pre-judging of a situation or person based upon less than all the facts. Prejudice is a survival mechanism. It developed to keep us safe: If you see a lion charging at you, you will automatically assume it is going to eat you. It may actually be coming up to lick your face, but our assumption is that a charging lion wants to eat us. This is prejudice, and it kept our distant ancestors safe.

So the obvious question now is.....Is Brazil a racist or prejudice country?

If its the former than not matter how long we talk on this board or others then any black man traveling to Brazil or Latin America is likely to fail. If its the the latter then its just a case of time to get to know a man and a man proving that is worth more than what she or her family think.

[UrbanNerd]

(07-06-2011 09:12 AM)Theogreat Wrote:  

@Diablo I think most black men in this forum fail to understand that most women want to date and marry within their own race, in fact most people do that. Especially latianas their culture is strong, marrying out is frowned upon especially to a black man. I think that most non black women don't want to have to explain to their family why their dating a black guy or being stared at in public or having kids that will looking nothing like them and be called black. I think this why you have two types of non black women that date/marry black men. The unattractive ones because they have nothing to lose and is getting a man that is way more attractive then she ever could get within her own race. Then you got the gold diggers they date/marry a certain type of black man(well off to rich) because the monetary returns outweigh any ostracization that she might face within society.

Not all black women are ghetto Atholone/Diablo, I don't think its fair to judge to black women based on the small number that you have been exposed to. I have met and dated several classy,attractive black women who were quite feminine.

To add on, if one just approach the same black females in the same 3-mile radius and/or same background, after awhile you will end up pretty much meeting the same females.

Not to say that my techniques are "gold standard" but I have lived near DC and Philadelphia. I pretty much took the map of each city and drew a 30-50 mile boundary around the city. That was my starting geographical target area.

I also had to factor in MY OWN background as far as which chicks to approach. I grew up in the 'burbs with the nice house, parents married for 30+ years, Dad paid for college type of lifestyle so I KNEW trying to holla at certain chicks from near-or-in Philly, DC or PG county was going to be a problem for me.

I was that dude out in Manassas VA hollerin'

The same principles can be applied to Brazil.

[Diablo]

(07-06-2011 01:21 AM)azulsombra Wrote:  

(06-30-2011 12:07 PM)Diablo Wrote:  

(06-30-2011 11:58 AM)speakeasy Wrote:  

Miss C, how common are pairings like that in BR? I'm just curious.

Either way, I hope Brazil isn't as bad as the DR. No place on earth can be more worse than the DR. Those guys have serious racial issues.

I guess you haven't been to Panama then....

No, but I'd love to know how bad it is. Have you been to the DR?

[Excelsior]

(07-06-2011 01:03 AM)Theogreat Wrote:  

Me: Naw brah I gotta to disagree with you. Most non black women don't want to date or marry black men. Trust me I know! The ones that do tend to be on the lower end of attractiveness or goldiggers.

Black American women are a riskier and less than ideal bet for black men than most foreign women are, especially if said black man isn't up to the "swag-nificent" standards imposed on him by modern black American culture.

For a guy like that, it is safer to take your chances with non-American women.

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Me: I am guessing you haven't seen this http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.11...491.x/full The site that you are referring to is Russian brides with white men not black men huge difference.

That study doesn't speak specifically to the international marriages that we're discussing, so its results cannot be applied in that context. I stand by my earlier point.

As for more tangible evidence of greater risk, I will note that stats show a higher rate of divorce for black couples than other groups.
While it is true that black male/white female marriages in the US end at a much higher rate than white/white marriages (as that study confirms), evidence suggests that divorce rates for black couples may in fact be at the same level, if they're not higher.

Black American women divorce at double the rate of hispanic and white women.

At least two thirds of black marriages end in divorce.

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Hmm i kind of agree with you here but then again I don't. The non black women that tend to like black men usually are into the same type of black men that black women are into (thugs). The ones that aren't again tend to be not so attractive.

I am speaking specifically of the ability to get to the larger populace of non-black women who a) don't "tend to like" black men and may never have dated them before and b) are actually attractive(7-9.5 range).

The "clean-cut" image makes it far easier for black men to get to these women, especially if these men have another "hook"(ex. athletes, high level white collar professionals, etc).

The problem, of course, is that very few black men can assimilate into white culture (this is essentially what "clean cut" black men naturally do by definition) seamlessly enough to make this work.

I have personally succeeded in attracting the aforementioned type of white woman, and I am no master PUA, though I am pretty much the "whitest" black male you will meet.

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I have seen only two black men with a non black woman that is in the 7-9.5 range and these men were your biracial Shemar Moore types. Most of my cousins that are married to white/hispanic women have had to downgrade drastically I'm talking 3-6 range. Its tough out here for black men but hey it is what it is.

I do still completely agree that black men in the US have a much steeper hill to climb here than they would in many other parts of the world (especially Europe) and they certainly have it rougher than most other groups in this country.

As for black men with more attractive white women, I have seen it personally. It can happen, although the men who tend to do it also tend to be entirely assimilated, with fewer visible aspects of what we would consider "black culture" expressed.

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Not all black women are ghetto Atholone/Diablo, I don't think its fair to judge to black women based on the small number that you have been exposed to.

For the umpteenth time: These trends I am describing with black women are not limited to hoodrats who live in the ghetto/lower middle class urban areas(though even if they were, that'd be nearly half of the black American population).

You will find the same attitude amongst educated, middle class black women as well, and that includes Ivy Leaguers(I'd know-I go to school with them). The mentality behind these trends is not class specific, but is in fact symptomatic of the larger, broad influence of modern black American culture.

Exceptions will not disprove this rule.

[UrbanNerd]

So we should state that the goal is to find black women (if one is more into black women) who do NOT follow the current "Black American culture". That is very possible outside of the USA but let's keep in mind that other countries need to be strong enough to repel the current "Black American culture".

The city of Toronto was MUCH different before access of the BET channel, an NBA team and more American tourists.

[Theogreat]

If you say so Athlone SMDH!!! Where do you plan to live with these non- American women? In their country? In the U.S?

[SLIMMACKEY]

To believe that marrying an "African American"/"Black Woman" is risky is just straight BULLSHIT as a fact, but to each their own as an opinion. I think that statement is str8t overkill. My man married to a chica from Panama and she gets an attitude too. These caucasian bitches in America have MAD issues also. If one wants to state that "American" women are overly shovanistic, materialistic, emotional...ect, then fine. Lets say it is a cultural issue. Other than that, its str8t opinion and that persons personal choice to not marry a "Black" woman. Like I said, to each his own. But to characterize a whole race of women as not marriage worthy is bullshit. This mis-information could lead non Afro Americans to look at Afro American women in a screwed up way and buy into racial and socio-degrading stereotypes depicted from our country. And that is the worst thing ANYBODY can do. Especially from another Afro American....I mean this cant be serious.
Point in case: most of the world looks at Afro American men when we roll through their countries and wonders if we all are hip hop cats. Please; not every Afro American is the same. But to get online and say that we are is validating what they see on the outside looking in. And people on this forum have been complaining about that 1% of cats out there who are the hip hop heads of today and carry that with them when they hit other countries. Lets start seperating fact from fiction cause not everyboby is in our community dealing with us on a daily basis. Keep it real yo;....I will find this especially disturbin if the cat that said it in the first place is black. Because if so, he most likely came from a black woman and that almost look like self hatred.
Please, I do not mean to offend anybody, it is only my second post, but I keeps it real. Now, can we get back to hard facts and advice on the Brazilian broads??? Nobody ever answered whether or not most speak English? Who has shot at the "uppity" chicas and been shot down and why?? Lets get back on topic my dudes.....

[UrbanNerd]

(07-06-2011 12:23 PM)SLIMMACKEY Wrote:  

To believe that marrying an "African American"/"Black Woman" is risky is just straight BULLSHIT as a fact, but to each their own as an opinion. I think that statement is str8t overkill. My man married to a chica from Panama and she gets an attitude too. These caucasian bitches in America have MAD issues also. If one wants to state that "American" women are overly shovanistic, materialistic, emotional...ect, then fine. Lets say it is a cultural issue. Other than that, its str8t opinion and that persons personal choice to not marry a "Black" woman. Like I said, to each his own. But to characterize a whole race of women as not marriage worthy is bullshit. This mis-information could lead non Afro Americans to look at Afro American women in a screwed up way and buy into racial and socio-degrading stereotypes depicted from our country. And that is the worst thing ANYBODY can do. Especially from another Afro American....I mean this cant be serious.
Point in case: most of the world looks at Afro American men when we roll through their countries and wonders if we all are hip hop cats. Please; not every Afro American is the same. But to get online and say that we are is validating what they see on the outside looking in. And people on this forum have been complaining about that 1% of cats out there who are the hip hop heads of today and carry that with them when they hit other countries. Lets start seperating fact from fiction cause not everyboby is in our community dealing with us on a daily basis. Keep it real yo;....I will find this especially disturbin if the cat that said it in the first place is black. Because if so, he most likely came from a black woman and that almost look like self hatred.
Please, I do not mean to offend anybody, it is only my second post, but I keeps it real. Now, can we get back to hard facts and advice on the Brazilian broads??? Nobody ever answered whether or not most speak English? Who has shot at the "uppity" chicas and been shot down and why?? Lets get back on topic my dudes.....

Point taken....and a good one at that.

My experience in Brazil was with Rio, Sao Paulo, Salvador and Belo Horizonte. Brazilian Portuguese is the native language and knowledge of English will usually depend on the "class" of the girl and her access to higher education. Most Brazilians have to pay for education after Grade 5 or Grade 6 so of course the poorer Brazilians may not get access to learn English. The pros/semi-pros will learn marginal English due to their dealings with tourists. Now if the woman had access to some higher education, she will know some English as many Brazilians know the value of knowing English.

Having said that, it would be best to learn some Portuguese (Brazilian) before visiting Brazil. In general with visiting ANY country, an attempt to even learn the native language will help with dealing with natives because it makes it seem that you at least are willing to work within the barriers of the nation. I would say the same thing when visiting Latin American nations or French-speaking nations.

[SLIMMACKEY]

(07-06-2011 12:30 PM)UrbanNerd Wrote:  

(07-06-2011 12:23 PM)SLIMMACKEY Wrote:  

To believe that marrying an "African American"/"Black Woman" is risky is just straight BULLSHIT as a fact, but to each their own as an opinion. I think that statement is str8t overkill. My man married to a chica from Panama and she gets an attitude too. These caucasian bitches in America have MAD issues also. If one wants to state that "American" women are overly shovanistic, materialistic, emotional...ect, then fine. Lets say it is a cultural issue. Other than that, its str8t opinion and that persons personal choice to not marry a "Black" woman. Like I said, to each his own. But to characterize a whole race of women as not marriage worthy is bullshit. This mis-information could lead non Afro Americans to look at Afro American women in a screwed up way and buy into racial and socio-degrading stereotypes depicted from our country. And that is the worst thing ANYBODY can do. Especially from another Afro American....I mean this cant be serious.
Point in case: most of the world looks at Afro American men when we roll through their countries and wonders if we all are hip hop cats. Please; not every Afro American is the same. But to get online and say that we are is validating what they see on the outside looking in. And people on this forum have been complaining about that 1% of cats out there who are the hip hop heads of today and carry that with them when they hit other countries. Lets start seperating fact from fiction cause not everyboby is in our community dealing with us on a daily basis. Keep it real yo;....I will find this especially disturbin if the cat that said it in the first place is black. Because if so, he most likely came from a black woman and that almost look like self hatred.
Please, I do not mean to offend anybody, it is only my second post, but I keeps it real. Now, can we get back to hard facts and advice on the Brazilian broads??? Nobody ever answered whether or not most speak English? Who has shot at the "uppity" chicas and been shot down and why?? Lets get back on topic my dudes.....

Point taken....and a good one at that.

My experience in Brazil was with Rio, Sao Paulo, Salvador and Belo Horizonte. Brazilian Portuguese is the native language and knowledge of English will usually depend on the "class" of the girl and her access to higher education. Most Brazilians have to pay for education after Grade 5 or Grade 6 so of course the poorer Brazilians may not get access to learn English. The pros/semi-pros will learn marginal English due to their dealings with tourists. Now if the woman had access to some higher education, she will know some English as many Brazilians know the value of knowing English.

Kool....so when I touch down, these pay for play types, Im gonna get at them later. But Im all about gettin at the everyday type local broad. Would it be safe to say that most Mulatto or Favela chics are not gonna know what Im talkin about ??..lol...I am gonna spit at whatever sparks my interest and because you validated something I figured, I am gonna Rosetta Stone my ass off till Feb 2012 with sum Portugese. So how were your experiences with tha different types f Brazilian chicas?

[SLIMMACKEY]

Good shit URBAN......I am from New Orleans and can roll wit it in French. I went to Montreal and the francophones there were friendly as hell cause when we hit the lounges and clubs, we were able to spit in their ears in their language. I am planning a weeklong European trip including Paris so I know I will be able to leave with sum more Facebook fiends from their too.I can get by with a little Spanish, but like everything else if u dont use it u lose it. They have a bunch of Brazilian cats in my gym and I started to work ou with one after I asked him about Carnival. So he has been just teachin me the basic basics. I can say thanks, what ur name is, that type of stuff....

[UrbanNerd]

(07-06-2011 12:36 PM)SLIMMACKEY Wrote:  

(07-06-2011 12:30 PM)UrbanNerd Wrote:  

(07-06-2011 12:23 PM)SLIMMACKEY Wrote:  

To believe that marrying an "African American"/"Black Woman" is risky is just straight BULLSHIT as a fact, but to each their own as an opinion. I think that statement is str8t overkill. My man married to a chica from Panama and she gets an attitude too. These caucasian bitches in America have MAD issues also. If one wants to state that "American" women are overly shovanistic, materialistic, emotional...ect, then fine. Lets say it is a cultural issue. Other than that, its str8t opinion and that persons personal choice to not marry a "Black" woman. Like I said, to each his own. But to characterize a whole race of women as not marriage worthy is bullshit. This mis-information could lead non Afro Americans to look at Afro American women in a screwed up way and buy into racial and socio-degrading stereotypes depicted from our country. And that is the worst thing ANYBODY can do. Especially from another Afro American....I mean this cant be serious.
Point in case: most of the world looks at Afro American men when we roll through their countries and wonders if we all are hip hop cats. Please; not every Afro American is the same. But to get online and say that we are is validating what they see on the outside looking in. And people on this forum have been complaining about that 1% of cats out there who are the hip hop heads of today and carry that with them when they hit other countries. Lets start seperating fact from fiction cause not everyboby is in our community dealing with us on a daily basis. Keep it real yo;....I will find this especially disturbin if the cat that said it in the first place is black. Because if so, he most likely came from a black woman and that almost look like self hatred.
Please, I do not mean to offend anybody, it is only my second post, but I keeps it real. Now, can we get back to hard facts and advice on the Brazilian broads??? Nobody ever answered whether or not most speak English? Who has shot at the "uppity" chicas and been shot down and why?? Lets get back on topic my dudes.....

Point taken....and a good one at that.

My experience in Brazil was with Rio, Sao Paulo, Salvador and Belo Horizonte. Brazilian Portuguese is the native language and knowledge of English will usually depend on the "class" of the girl and her access to higher education. Most Brazilians have to pay for education after Grade 5 or Grade 6 so of course the poorer Brazilians may not get access to learn English. The pros/semi-pros will learn marginal English due to their dealings with tourists. Now if the woman had access to some higher education, she will know some English as many Brazilians know the value of knowing English.

Kool....so when I touch down, these pay for play types, Im gonna get at them later. But Im all about gettin at the everyday type local broad. Would it be safe to say that most Mulatto or Favela chics are not gonna know what Im talkin about ??..lol...I am gonna spit at whatever sparks my interest and because you validated something I figured, I am gonna Rosetta Stone my ass off till Feb 2012 with sum Portugese. So how were your experiences with tha different types f Brazilian chicas?

Rio and Sao Paulo are so big that you can clearly avoid all the P4P areas. The list of favorable nightclubs change just like any other USA city...y'know, the same issues: losing a liquor license, repeated fights, stale DJ's, etc so I will have to gather a more recent list. You can do the beach game, the college/university game just like other cities. I will say as far as Rio, you may want to look at North Rio where more folks "with money" are.

[SLIMMACKEY]

Rio and Sao Paulo are so big that you can clearly avoid all the P4P areas. The list of favorable nightclubs change just like any other USA city...y'know, the same issues: losing a liquor license, repeated fights, stale DJ's, etc so I will have to gather a more recent list. You can do the beach game, the college/university game just like other cities. I will say as far as Rio, you may want to look at North Rio where more folks "with money" are.


Well exactly what parts will be hosting Carnival? My man in the gym was txtin me just now sayin to hit sao paulo; But isnt Rio close to Impanema and more sights?....suggestions?

[speakeasy]

(07-06-2011 09:12 AM)Theogreat Wrote:  

@Diablo I think most black men in this forum fail to understand that most women want to date and marry within their own race, in fact most people do that. Especially latianas their culture is strong, marrying out is frowned upon especially to a black man. I think that most non black women don't want to have to explain to their family why their dating a black guy or being stared at in public or having kids that will looking nothing like them and be called black. I think this why you have two types of non black women that date/marry black men. The unattractive ones because they have nothing to lose and is getting a man that is way more attractive then she ever could get within her own race. Then you got the gold diggers they date/marry a certain type of black man(well off to rich) because the monetary returns outweigh any ostracization that she might face within society.

I don't at all that we fail to understand this. I think every black man in the forum reading this agrees with what you said above and knows this all too well and the constraints it puts on our life options, esp for us guys that don't live in cities like Atlanta, DC or Detroit where it's like 90% black. What we're trying to figure out here is strategies we can employ both at home and abroad to transcend the race/dating barrier. Especially for us black guys that aren't light-skinned Vin Diesel types. As Athlone mentioned before, women set a bar of entry. The bar may be set low for white guys to who she may give a wide degree of latitude, and at the same time she may set the bar so high for black men that very few can make it over.

I do occasionally see a black guy with an attractive non-black girl who doesn't have a gold-digger vibe. I'm sure there are a small percent of women who truly don't give a fuck about race or what others think and judge every man on a case by case basis. I just don't know how numerous such women are, but every non-black woman I've ever dated has fit that mold. They just didn't care, or in some cases, they just had a physical preference for black guys.

[UrbanNerd]

(07-06-2011 12:57 PM)SLIMMACKEY Wrote:  

Rio and Sao Paulo are so big that you can clearly avoid all the P4P areas. The list of favorable nightclubs change just like any other USA city...y'know, the same issues: losing a liquor license, repeated fights, stale DJ's, etc so I will have to gather a more recent list. You can do the beach game, the college/university game just like other cities. I will say as far as Rio, you may want to look at North Rio where more folks "with money" are.


Well exactly what parts will be hosting Carnival? My man in the gym was txtin me just now sayin to hit sao paulo; But isnt Rio close to Impanema and more sights?....suggestions?

Gotcha....

Well Carnival is celebrated throughout Brazil but Rio de Janeiro is where the actual "Carnival" takes place (no disrespect to New Orleans and Trinidad). The area of Rio that you are referring to is the Copacabana area where there are 2 nearby beaches: Leblon and Ipanema. The actual Carnival parade take place at a stadium. During Carnival the whole city of Rio is basically one big nightclub, but let me say this....

To REALLY get the feel of Rio (or Salvador or Sao Paulo for that matter), it would be best to go when Carnival is not going on. Back when I was going to Brazil, me and the crew did non-Carnival and Carnival visits with non-Carnival visits being the last 5 visits.

[SLIMMACKEY]

Word....point well taken. It will most likely be less expensive when Carnival is not goin on also I bet...well for now, I am planning on Carnival, but if I cant make it, I will go during the non Carnival season and get it in non the less. Good advice. I think I will make Rio my first stop and do Sao Pauolo another time.

[SLIMMACKEY]

(07-06-2011 01:00 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(07-06-2011 09:12 AM)Theogreat Wrote:  

@Diablo I think most black men in this forum fail to understand that most women want to date and marry within their own race, in fact most people do that. Especially latianas their culture is strong, marrying out is frowned upon especially to a black man. I think that most non black women don't want to have to explain to their family why their dating a black guy or being stared at in public or having kids that will looking nothing like them and be called black. I think this why you have two types of non black women that date/marry black men. The unattractive ones because they have nothing to lose and is getting a man that is way more attractive then she ever could get within her own race. Then you got the gold diggers they date/marry a certain type of black man(well off to rich) because the monetary returns outweigh any ostracization that she might face within society.

I don't at all that we fail to understand this. I think every black man in the forum reading this agrees with what you said above and knows this all too well and the constraints it puts on our life options, esp for us guys that don't live in cities like Atlanta, DC or Detroit where it's like 90% black. What we're trying to figure out here is strategies we can employ both at home and abroad to transcend the race/dating barrier. Especially for us black guys that aren't light-skinned Vin Diesel types. As Athlone mentioned before, women set a bar of entry. The bar may be set low for white guys to who she may give a wide degree of latitude, and at the same time she may set the bar so high for black men that very few can make it over.

I do occasionally see a black guy with an attractive non-black girl who doesn't have a gold-digger vibe. I'm sure there are a small percent of women who truly don't give a fuck about race or what others think and judge every man on a case by case basis. I just don't know how numerous such women are, but every non-black woman I've ever dated has fit that mold. They just didn't care, or in some cases, they just had a physical preference for black guys.

I think honestly, there are so many other factors in play to consider that you should just do what I do. JUst do it. Holla. If its meant to be, she cant deny it. And from my Canada/England trips, I can tell you; If they wanna holla thats exactly what will happen. Its a lotta people out there who will, and a lot who wont. Doesnt hurt to step to whatever you like.

[Urban Renaissance Man]

(07-06-2011 01:00 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

They just didn't care, or in some cases, they just had a physical preference for black guys.

That is the an important aspect that many forget to mention. Some women simply like how black men look. They like the dark skin, the general body structure, full lips, etc. Some girls, who are not into thugs, simply think a guy like Morris Chestnut is simply hot. Granted, I would be the first to say it isn't everyday that you meet a girl who feels this way, since obviously the idea of dark skinned beauty isn't widely promoted in this country, not to mention the fact that the girl in question has grown up with her on races standard of beauty taught to her. Still, it is possible to meet women who simply think you're cute.

Actually, it's the women who are genuinely attracted to the physical features of black men that dark skinned brothas should be striving for. Not the 'wigger'... not the fat girl who can't get a decent man of her own race... not the girl trying to make daddy mad... not the white freak with a 'bucket list' and "sleeping with a black man" is written right below "kissing a girl"...We need to find women who generally find us indivdually attractive. And the only way to do that, AGAIN, is to get out there and campaign!

[SLIMMACKEY]

(07-06-2011 06:05 PM)Urban Renaissance Man Wrote:  

(07-06-2011 01:00 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

They just didn't care, or in some cases, they just had a physical preference for black guys.

That is the an important aspect that many forget to mention. Some women simply like how black men look. They like the dark skin, the general body structure, full lips, etc. Some girls, who are not into thugs, simply think a guy like Morris Chestnut is simply hot. Granted, I would be the first to say it isn't everyday that you meet a girl who feels this way, since obviously the idea of dark skinned beauty isn't widely promoted in this country, not to mention the fact that the girl in question has grown up with her on races standard of beauty taught to her. Still, it is possible to meet women who simply think you're cute.

Actually, it's the women who are genuinely attracted to the physical features of black men that dark skinned brothas should be striving for. Not the 'wigger'... not the fat girl who can't get a decent man of her own race... not the girl trying to make daddy mad... not the white freak with a 'bucket list' and "sleeping with a black man" is written right below "kissing a girl"...We need to find women who generally find us indivdually attractive. And the only way to do that, AGAIN, is to get out there and campaign!

Touche'.....its all in dudes steppin their game up. I totally agree with what u said. They have women in every corner of the world that would find us attractive because they are confident enuff in themselves to follow their feelings and not give a shit what others think. And smashin the "wigger" or bottom of the barrel is not stripes on ones shoulder. I say if u do it, just do it but it aint nuthin special. A conisseur of the ass will smash...but if u lookin to make sumthin wifey then shoot at what u like. She'll either get at u or not. Dont holla at the fat ugly cheezy brasilian just to say u wifed one up. unless u really like her......

[rudebwoy]

(07-06-2011 12:23 PM)SLIMMACKEY Wrote:  

To believe that marrying an "African American"/"Black Woman" is risky is just straight BULLSHIT as a fact, but to each their own as an opinion. I think that statement is str8t overkill. My man married to a chica from Panama and she gets an attitude too. These caucasian bitches in America have MAD issues also. If one wants to state that "American" women are overly shovanistic, materialistic, emotional...ect, then fine. Lets say it is a cultural issue. Other than that, its str8t opinion and that persons personal choice to not marry a "Black" woman. Like I said, to each his own. But to characterize a whole race of women as not marriage worthy is bullshit. This mis-information could lead non Afro Americans to look at Afro American women in a screwed up way and buy into racial and socio-degrading stereotypes depicted from our country. And that is the worst thing ANYBODY can do. Especially from another Afro American....I mean this cant be serious.
Point in case: most of the world looks at Afro American men when we roll through their countries and wonders if we all are hip hop cats. Please; not every Afro American is the same. But to get online and say that we are is validating what they see on the outside looking in. And people on this forum have been complaining about that 1% of cats out there who are the hip hop heads of today and carry that with them when they hit other countries. Lets start seperating fact from fiction cause not everyboby is in our community dealing with us on a daily basis. Keep it real yo;....I will find this especially disturbin if the cat that said it in the first place is black. Because if so, he most likely came from a black woman and that almost look like self hatred.
Please, I do not mean to offend anybody, it is only my second post, but I keeps it real. Now, can we get back to hard facts and advice on the Brazilian broads??? Nobody ever answered whether or not most speak English? Who has shot at the "uppity" chicas and been shot down and why?? Lets get back on topic my dudes.....

Well said my brother! If the man honestly thinks marrying a foreign woman would be easier than a black american woman, he is seriously delusional. I will add that I rarely date black women, white women are far too easy for my liking.
I know a Canadian-Indian dude who married a girl from India, once she got her papers in Canada she was gone. Too boot she wanted half of his shit, so much for the docile indian image. Same thing happened to a Colombian dude I know who did the same trick. I know another dude who is about to take the plunge with a cuban, he claims she is different. lol My point is women are very different nowadays, marriage is a risky proposition period.
I am almost 40 years of age, for years I did the whole GQ smooth image. After seeing alot of (rough thug looking) brotha's with nice looking women of ALL races it made me realize that I have to tone down my image. I get the most attention when I look the roughest, I cannot explain it but girls like a rough hard man. As someone stated you can call it 50 cent syndrome and that applies to girls who are not ghetto as well.

[Urban Renaissance Man]

(07-06-2011 06:50 PM)SLIMMACKEY Wrote:  

(07-06-2011 06:05 PM)Urban Renaissance Man Wrote:  

(07-06-2011 01:00 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

They just didn't care, or in some cases, they just had a physical preference for black guys.

That is the an important aspect that many forget to mention. Some women simply like how black men look. They like the dark skin, the general body structure, full lips, etc. Some girls, who are not into thugs, simply think a guy like Morris Chestnut is simply hot. Granted, I would be the first to say it isn't everyday that you meet a girl who feels this way, since obviously the idea of dark skinned beauty isn't widely promoted in this country, not to mention the fact that the girl in question has grown up with her on races standard of beauty taught to her. Still, it is possible to meet women who simply think you're cute.

Actually, it's the women who are genuinely attracted to the physical features of black men that dark skinned brothas should be striving for. Not the 'wigger'... not the fat girl who can't get a decent man of her own race... not the girl trying to make daddy mad... not the white freak with a 'bucket list' and "sleeping with a black man" is written right below "kissing a girl"...We need to find women who generally find us indivdually attractive. And the only way to do that, AGAIN, is to get out there and campaign!

Touche'.....its all in dudes steppin their game up. I totally agree with what u said. They have women in every corner of the world that would find us attractive because they are confident enuff in themselves to follow their feelings and not give a
shit what others think. And smashin the "wigger"

or bottom of the barrel is not stripes on ones shoulder. I say if u do it, just do it but it aint nuthin special. A conisseur of the ass will smash...but if u lookin to make sumthin wifey then shoot at what u like. She'll either get at u or not. Dont holla at the fat ugly cheezy brasilian just to say u wifed one up. unless u really like her......

There's a lot to be said about individual taste. I have found women attractive who are not my general type. Some guys on here know that I think Hayden Pantierre is the All-American Gold Standard of woman, and something that all deserving men should be government issued upon graduation of med school. On the other hand, Lauryn Hill drives me crazy! Ordinarily, someone of Lauryn's physical type is something I wouldn't normally never be a attracted to, but as an individual she's hot to me! I'm sure many girls experience the same dynamic when it comes to liking guys who ordinarily aren't their type.

Another good point you brought up is not wifying up an ugly girl "unless you like her." Now, I cant totally co-sign that statement because I don’t think you should ever wife up an UGLY girl, but I can relate to being genuinely attracted to women who normally wouldn't quite meet , or just barely meets my beauty cut off requirements. Yet, there's something about her that just 'gets to me.' A sex appeal of some sort that transcends her physical beauty. The girl that plays 'Meadow' on the "Sopranos" tv show comes to mind. Not what I'd call really pretty, but something about her gets to me. An even better example is Jodie Foster. I can clearly see she looks like a chairwoman for the San Francisco Gay Pride Festival, yet there's something about her that gets to me. (Note: Neither of those women could be classified as UGLY in their prime) I think certain allowances should be made for the 'something about her gets to me' phenomena as well.

[SLIMMACKEY]

(07-06-2011 09:11 PM)Urban Renaissance Man Wrote:  

(07-06-2011 06:50 PM)SLIMMACKEY Wrote:  

(07-06-2011 06:05 PM)Urban Renaissance Man Wrote:  

(07-06-2011 01:00 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

They just didn't care, or in some cases, they just had a physical preference for black guys.

That is the an important aspect that many forget to mention. Some women simply like how black men look. They like the dark skin, the general body structure, full lips, etc. Some girls, who are not into thugs, simply think a guy like Morris Chestnut is simply hot. Granted, I would be the first to say it isn't everyday that you meet a girl who feels this way, since obviously the idea of dark skinned beauty isn't widely promoted in this country, not to mention the fact that the girl in question has grown up with her on races standard of beauty taught to her. Still, it is possible to meet women who simply think you're cute.

Actually, it's the women who are genuinely attracted to the physical features of black men that dark skinned brothas should be striving for. Not the 'wigger'... not the fat girl who can't get a decent man of her own race... not the girl trying to make daddy mad... not the white freak with a 'bucket list' and "sleeping with a black man" is written right below "kissing a girl"...We need to find women who generally find us indivdually attractive. And the only way to do that, AGAIN, is to get out there and campaign!

Touche'.....its all in dudes steppin their game up. I totally agree with what u said. They have women in every corner of the world that would find us attractive because they are confident enuff in themselves to follow their feelings and not give a
shit what others think. And smashin the "wigger"

or bottom of the barrel is not stripes on ones shoulder. I say if u do it, just do it but it aint nuthin special. A conisseur of the ass will smash...but if u lookin to make sumthin wifey then shoot at what u like. She'll either get at u or not. Dont holla at the fat ugly cheezy brasilian just to say u wifed one up. unless u really like her......

There's a lot to be said about individual taste. I have found women attractive who are not my general type. Some guys on here know that I think Hayden Pantierre is the All-American Gold Standard of woman, and something that all deserving men should be government issued upon graduation of med school. On the other hand, Lauryn Hill drives me crazy! Ordinarily, someone of Lauryn's physical type is something I wouldn't normally never be a attracted to, but as an individual she's hot to me! I'm sure many girls experience the same dynamic when it comes to liking guys who ordinarily aren't their type.

Another good point you brought up is not wifying up an ugly girl "unless you like her." Now, I cant totally co-sign that statement because I don’t think you should ever wife up an UGLY girl, but I can relate to being genuinely attracted to women who normally wouldn't quite meet , or just barely meets my beauty cut off requirements. Yet, there's something about her that just 'gets to me.' A sex appeal of some sort that transcends her physical beauty. The girl that plays 'Meadow' on the "Sopranos" tv show comes to mind. Not what I'd call really pretty, but something about her gets to me. An even better example is Jodie Foster. I can clearly see she looks like a chairwoman for the San Francisco Gay Pride Festival, yet there's something about her that gets to me. (Note: Neither of those women could be classified as UGLY in their prime) I think certain allowances should be made for the 'something about her gets to me' phenomena as well.

Correct. Im just sayin that wifing up somethin "exotic" that is sub par to ones taste just for braggin rights is down rite stupid.....but we are on the same page. I also find myself attracted to a wide array of chicks...sum I mite even ask myself why but they have that "sumthin about you" factor that u staed above....everybodys dime is different. A chics sexiness and/or personality can take her to the next level just as looks do. But who wants a looker with no azz and tits?? Not me..lol..And Jody foster...dude she got mad sexy legs...she would get it!!!

And also, Iwe always hear dudes talk about their proverbial dime piece..the Jessica Albas or what have you but more often than not, these same dudes marry someone who may not look as good but have very good qualities that compliment their ok looks.

As far as that goes, let me find out Valesca Popozuda can speak sum english when I go to Brazil...her ass is comin back with me damnit!!!! Google her azz

[Excelsior]

(07-06-2011 12:07 PM)Theogreat Wrote:  

If you say so Athlone SMDH!!! Where do you plan to live with these non- American women? In their country? In the U.S?

I would recommend at least partial expatriation if possible (a realistic option for older black men).
She can be brought to the US as well, but precautions must be taken if you must follow this path.

1. Try to bring her to a city with a ratio that favors you as a man. Atlanta would be a good example of this-even if she did think of straying, she'd have a lot of competition, and you would look better by comparison.

2. Sign a pre-nup and protect yourself legally in every way. Pre-nups should be mandatory for all American/Canadian/British men considering marriage or cohabitation (cohabitation agreements are available too), regardless of where their women come from. Do not marry without one.

(07-06-2011 12:23 PM)SLIMMACKEY Wrote:  

To believe that marrying an "African American"/"Black Woman" is risky is just straight BULLSHIT as a fact, but to each their own as an opinion.

"Bullshit as a fact"?

They divorce at twice the rate of other women in this country. They are renown for their attitude and extravagantly high rates of STD/STI infection, abortion and hypergamy.

If you marry a black American woman as a black man, you have a 66%+ chance of facing a divorce, and she is twice as likely as are women of other races in this country to participate in a divorce. That is a fact.

How on earth is that not risky to you?

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I think that statement is str8t overkill.

"str8t fact" is what it is.

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My man married to a chica from Panama and she gets an attitude too. These caucasian bitches in America have MAD issues also.

Can you point me to any statement I made contending that there were no white/foreign women on earth with issues/attitudes?

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If one wants to state that "American" women are overly shovanistic, materialistic, emotional...ect, then fine. Lets say it is a cultural issue.

Ah, so one can make anthropological generalizations by broader nationality, but it is not ok to do so within the context of different sub-national ethnic groups(ex. African americans, white american, etc)?

This is obviously absurd and inaccurate logic (anthropologists, policy makers, and other respected scholars regularly make such analyses and they can be considered academically valid), but I'd be interested in knowing why you make this distinction in the first place.

You have no problem with all of us sitting around here on this forum and breaking down the different habits of various nationalities/ethnicities of women on a global scale. We'll talk about the differences between Russo-Latvians and ethnic Latvians in Latvia all the time, or the nuances of gaming Scandinavian girls vs. Romanian ones, or Ukrainians and Russians. That's all ok. Sometimes we'll come up with negative conclusions (Argentinian girls = annoyingly difficult, Colombian women = notoriously flaky, Russian women = a little easier for ONS than Ukrainians, Southern Brazil = whiter than northern brazil, girls a little less receptive to darker guys, etc).

But when somebody attempts to create a similar analysis of black American women vs. other female groups?
Preposterous! How dare they!

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But to characterize a whole race of women as not marriage worthy is bullshit.

I agree.

Good thing I limited my own analysis to just three percent of the world's black female population without expanding my generalizations to include the other one billion black people on Earth who do not live in America.

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This mis-information could lead non Afro Americans to look at Afro American women in a screwed up way and buy into racial and socio-degrading stereotypes depicted from our country. And that is the worst thing ANYBODY can do.

I'm not about to obscure the truth and ignore the obnoxiously overpriced, egotistical, overweight, diseased, and hypergamous elephant in the room for the sake of remaining politically correct.

I don't consider truth telling to be an offense. If you disagree with me, then prove me wrong. I do not care about hurting your feelings.

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Especially from another Afro American....I mean this cant be serious.

I am a person of predominantly sub-saharan African descent(more specifically, black West African ancestry) who happens to live in the United States of America.

I am not an African-American.

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I will find this especially disturbin if the cat that said it in the first place is black. Because if so, he most likely came from a black woman and that almost look like self hatred.

1. It would be ok for me to say all of this if I were Korean, then?

Note how you have yet to address the strict logical validity of my arguments, and prefer instead to engage in the ad-hominem. That is telling.

2. My mother is not a black American woman. Even if she were, I do not know of any rule which precludes any individual from offering analysis/critiques of others on the basis of their ethnicity (read: blacks are legally free to criticize other blacks, as whites may criticize whites), nor do I know of any logical basis for such critiques to be considered indicative of "self hatred"(especially when they can be shown to be factual).

If you know of such a regulation, then feel free to point it out. I'll wait.

3. Shaming is an indication of weakness, btw. Your use of it here says quite a bit about the strength of your particular position.

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Now, can we get back to hard facts and advice on the Brazilian broads??? Nobody ever answered whether or not most speak English? Who has shot at the "uppity" chicas and been shot down and why?? Lets get back on topic my dudes.....

You didn't expect me not to respond, did you?

Come now.

(07-06-2011 08:53 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

Well said my brother! If the man honestly thinks marrying a foreign woman would be easier than a black american woman, he is seriously delusional.

Let me ask you a question: what exactly is your revulsion to hard evidence?
I have already presented hard statistical evidence of the very high risk black women present in divorce and the generally lower rates of divorce seen from cross-cultural (read: international) couples.

Do you simply not understand it as it is presented? Shall I simplify it for you? Or perhaps you just do not want to see it, and willfully ignore it?

Delusion is not fact. I have the facts. If you disagree, then refute them as they stand. Ad-hominem attacks citing "self-hatred" and "delusion" won't make you any less wrong.

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I know a Canadian-Indian dude who married a girl from India, once she got her papers in Canada she was gone. Too boot she wanted half of his shit, so much for the docile indian image. Same thing happened to a Colombian dude I know who did the same trick. I know another dude who is about to take the plunge with a cuban, he claims she is different. lol My point is women are very different nowadays, marriage is a risky proposition period.

Yes, there goes my argument. You can cite anecdotal evidence of divorces occurring in other cultures you know, so that clearly invalidates any claim one could make of their potentially being cultural differences in divorce/gender dynamics (statistical evidence be damned), right? We're all the same, right?

Right.

[SLIMMACKEY]

To Athlone: Letters from a Young Brother--

To spit such jargon and rhetoric is an infinte watse of both our time and resources so I shall break it down very simply.
You as an African, If I am correctly speaking, sound very dillusional coming across as some sort of authority of the dating/marriage/divorce rate of Afro American women or any women with whom you do not have extensive relational experiences. I do not take issue with your FALSE representation, your opinion is your opinion. Which is what you have been posting; YOUR OPINION. Have you been scorned by Afro American women or something? You claim that everyone here is posting truths about behaviors as such of all ethnic groups(females) yet reviewing your posts, I seem to not be able to find any one in which you refer to another race of women as such. I as an Afro American male consider myself a far better source of info on this matter than you because I have been surrounded by all sorts of Afr American women my whole life. Though I will not state that my words are all fact I do present them as MORE factually based than yours. I leave it up to the thread readers to determine for themselves. We are all here to inform other of factual representations of OUR OWN experiences. And as I said in my earlier posts: TO MAKE THE ASSUMPTION THAT A MAN RISKS IT ALL MARRYING A BLACK WOMAN IS STR8T BULLSHIT. Have you married one? Is the basis of your so called fact based off of a lifetime of experience, one bad experince or the results of google searches? Any union contains risk; inherent and variable.Once again this is not an argument and though my mother, sister, aunts, cousins and granmothers are all Afro American women (Creole too), I do not take offense from YOU. But to continue to spread opinions as truths is disrepect to all here. You spout all sorts oF rubuttals to everyones post as though your points of view ARE always correct? Truly that cant be.............Now, as I said before, this is a TRAVEL thread for Brazil excerpts and advice. Those OPINIONS are all that matter here....

P.S. If you deem this letter unwarranted please provide HARD facts supporting your facts. Not OPINION, but FACTS.