[UrbanNerd]

Hmmm....

This thread is starting to seem like it is insinuating that a woman with a certain look is supposed "better" or some type of goal. At least say it in a subjective (or objective) manner.

Now my take....

Personally, I feel that the pic with 'ole boy in the red did MUCH BETTER than anything Pele was in pics with.

[Diablo]

(06-30-2011 12:15 PM)UrbanNerd Wrote:  

Hmmm....

This thread is starting to seem like it is insinuating that a woman with a certain look is supposed "better" or some type of goal. At least say it in a subjective (or objective) manner.

Now my take....

Personally, I feel that the pic with 'ole boy in the red did MUCH BETTER than anything Pele was in pics with.

I wouldn't put it that way. The darker skinned guys on the board are just trying to figure out the playing field and how to maximize scoring with women. If it weren't such a problem, no one would be talking about it. We'd be chopping up game. But there seems to be a problem for a darker skinned man that wants something of higher class or decent (Black, White or mixed). If not from the girl he will probably run into problems with her family or friends. I mean I got to alot of forums and people always tell darker men to just date the favela girls or the lower end girls or try to convert a hooker. If I am going to role in Brazil then I want their dimes (8 or above and not just looks but class too)

I remember once in college there was this Brazilian Chick in our class named Doris (We called her D for short) and she was banging 9 easily. She did modelling too and the guys knew she was hot. I think I got her pic somewhere online. She had that long natural weavy hair and that Beyonce coloured skin, with full lips. She only dated "High class" men or men that were going places. You need a good car and you need to be white. But she openly expressed her dislike for darker men and "Prefered" dating lighter guys. Now I respect people have "preferences" but how can you talk rubbish about dark skinned people, then later complain about the racism you face in the country.

Some Latinos have serious issues...

[Urban Renaissance Man]

(06-29-2011 04:03 AM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

(06-28-2011 10:01 PM)Mr.GM Wrote:  

A white skinned man that looks poor will also be bad treated by people in upper class places.The problem is some black guys carry a ship on their sholders and start to believe that if a girl doesn't like them its because of their color.It is not true.Seriously there are tons of blond girls with black guys here , and I mean not rich ones.

Race is a very large factor in one's outcome as a man. I won't deny that some men may apply it as a factor when it is not needed, but it is still crucial in many cases.

Several years ago I may have agreed with you, but today after having endured two years of university I've seen the other side of the picture, and as a black man I can understand where a lot of those men with chips on their shoulders are coming from.

The fact is that women set bars for entry, and men must rise above this bar in order to have a realistic shot at them. There are many women who will set FAR higher bars of entry for black men than they will for others, and it is annoying. The fact that a few(usually lighter skinned) black men manage to overcome it doesn't help much.

I understand that it is not healthy to dwell on this reality too much as a man and bitch constantly, but I see where the anger comes from.

Very true! The negative PR campaign that was done against black men was so thorough, that it's hard to battle, even if you're of high quality. Then of course there's the Lil' Waynes and Wacka Flackas' of the world, along with black bufoons fighting each other at every Memorial Day event, that keeps the negative stereotype alive and well! Of course, if you come across too nice and mannerable, everyone wonders what's wrong with you, and you're given a Bojangles lable! Or worse yet, Carlton Banks of "Fresh Prince of Bel Air"!

Yes, it does suck to always have to jump three extra hurdles to endear yourself to a girl whose parents may have told her how hurt they would be if she brought home someone black. On the other hand, we could just start exclusively dating women of our own race, and avoid some of that subtle racist programming that comes along with many (not all) women of other races.

[Urban Renaissance Man]

(06-30-2011 07:12 AM)Mrs. Chocolate Wrote:  

For ordinary dark skinned guys, if that matters that much to be black... A ordinary guy and his GF.

WHile one can't judge solely off of that picture, that's very encouraging. That guy isn't bad looking, but that girl is hotter than most girls I see in a 6 month period! I'm hoping that's common out there, and he isn't just the luckiest guy in Brazil or rich!

[Mr.GM]

He may be an ordinary guy, but she is no Ordinary Girl!!

She is your friend, Chocolatinha ?

[speakeasy]

(06-30-2011 05:48 PM)Urban Renaissance Man Wrote:  

Very true! The negative PR campaign that was done against black men was so thorough, that it's hard to battle, even if you're of high quality. Then of course there's the Lil' Waynes and Wacka Flackas' of the world, along with black bufoons fighting each other at every Memorial Day event, that keeps the negative stereotype alive and well!

Unfortunately, I think we are our own worse enemies in many ways. When I say "we" I don't mean the intelligent, well-traveled brothas on this forum, but the hood types that don't know how to act and just plain scare the fuck out of people.

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Of course, if you come across too nice and mannerable, everyone wonders what's wrong with you, and you're given a Bojangles lable! Or worse yet, Carlton Banks of "Fresh Prince of Bel Air"!

You can get away with that if you live amongst whites in the suburbs. If you act that way in the hood you're going to get your ass handed to you.

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Yes, it does suck to always have to jump three extra hurdles to endear yourself to a girl whose parents may have told her how hurt they would be if she brought home someone black. On the other hand, we could just start exclusively dating women of our own race, and avoid some of that subtle racist programming that comes along with many (not all) women of other races.

Well, that's what most brothas do if you look at marriage stats. Problem is, and you can refer back to thread I started about black women a month back, is that black American women are so problematic. Everything guys complain about in this forum with regards to American women in general exist in concentrated form for AA women. 70% of black women are overweight, the attitudes are too confrontational and masculine, bitch shields are high, very few act sweet and compliant but have a "you go girl!" attitude and are just kind of rough around the edges in general. Black America is a matriarchal society where it's mostly women raising boys, so there's not some feeling of needing a man in their life to take care of. And then there's things like openness to novel experiences. I can show a white girl my pics from the salt desert of Bolivia and she'll be like "Wow!! So amazing!" A typical black girl would be like, "What the heck you go there for when there's Vegas or Miami?" After all, in the 13 or so countries I've been to, I've met only ONE African-American woman on the road doing something to get out of her comfort zone and broaden her perspective of the world. I rarely even meet a black woman that listens to anything but club hits. Now throw on top of that the extreme hypergamy of black women. Not all are like this of course, and I'm certainly open to dating those AA women that don't fit that mold, but when it comes to the qualities I'm looking for, it is hard to find in them from my experience.

So what are your options? You either look for the minority of AA women that have the ideal qualities you want(rare) or open yourself up to women of other races that might have the qualities you want. And of course as we are discussing above, that brings a whole set of problems unto itself like social and family disapproval. If we had a bunch of Kerry Washingtons and Gabriel Unions who were sweet, feminine, in good shape and without attitude, you'd probably rarely see a brotha dating out of his race.

[Mrs. Chocolate]

(06-30-2011 11:58 AM)speakeasy Wrote:  

Miss C, how common are pairings like that in BR? I'm just curious.

Btw, your cousin did VERY good! That is like my dream woman right there. He better wife her up quick before I move down there and steal her, lol.

(06-30-2011 12:07 PM)Diablo Wrote:  

(06-30-2011 11:58 AM)speakeasy Wrote:  

Miss C, how common are pairings like that in BR? I'm just curious.

I too am curious to know the same. I would like to think its more common but something tells me its wishful thinking. I'm willing to bet that its not common the further up you go in class. Also the extent to which money will help also be of interest to me...

Either way, I hope Brazil isn't as bad as the DR. No place on earth can be more worse than the DR. Those guys have serious racial issues.

(06-30-2011 05:56 PM)Urban Renaissance Man Wrote:  

(06-30-2011 07:12 AM)Mrs. Chocolate Wrote:  

For ordinary dark skinned guys, if that matters that much to be black... A ordinary guy and his GF.

WHile one can't judge solely off of that picture, that's very encouraging. That guy isn't bad looking, but that girl is hotter than most girls I see in a 6 month period! I'm hoping that's common out there, and he isn't just the luckiest guy in Brazil or rich!

(06-30-2011 06:22 PM)Mr.GM Wrote:  

He may be an ordinary guy, but she is no Ordinary Girl!!

She is your friend, Chocolatinha ?

Guys, it is common interracial cuples, but you have to go to no-gringo venues and no Vila Olimpia BS to find this. Asian and non-asian though are less common... but possible.
The guy in the pic is my cousin, a ordinary guy, not rich, nor the poorest either (favela scene).
The girl is not a model, it could be, she is tall enough for it, studies, works... "average" in those terms also. Great person inside and out.
They are in LTR, looking for a house so forget it,
speakeasy. LOL. Wedding may be right away. My cousin always had stunning GF. I don't know what he does. Just don't. his ex was a beyonce looking girl. Tall, round ass, bla bla bla...lol

[Diablo]

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Well, that's what most brothas do if you look at marriage stats. Problem is, and you can refer back to thread I started about black women a month back, is that black American women are so problematic. Everything guys complain about in this forum with regards to American women in general exist in concentrated form for AA women. 70% of black women are overweight, the attitudes are too confrontational and masculine, bitch shields are high, very few act sweet and compliant but have a "you go girl!" attitude and are just kind of rough around the edges in general. Black America is a matriarchal society where it's mostly women raising boys, so there's not some feeling of needing a man in their life to take care of. And then there's things like openness to novel experiences. I can show a white girl my pics from the salt desert of Bolivia and she'll be like "Wow!! So amazing!" A typical black girl would be like, "What the heck you go there for when there's Vegas or Miami?" After all, in the 13 or so countries I've been to, I've met only ONE African-American woman on the road doing something to get out of her comfort zone and broaden her perspective of the world. I rarely even meet a black woman that listens to anything but club hits. Now throw on top of that the extreme hypergamy of black women. Not all are like this of course, and I'm certainly open to dating those AA women that don't fit that mold, but when it comes to the qualities I'm looking for, it is hard to find in them from my experience.

So what are your options? You either look for the minority of AA women that have the ideal qualities you want(rare) or open yourself up to women of other races that might have the qualities you want. And of course as we are discussing above, that brings a whole set of problems unto itself like social and family disapproval. If we had a bunch of Kerry Washingtons and Gabriel Unions who were sweet, feminine, in good shape and without attitude, you'd probably rarely see a brotha dating out of his race.

Speakeasy hit the nail on the head.

Back home in England and mostly in the US, alot of black homes are run by single women. This is why is so matriarchal. You see these same women will be filling their daughters up with bullshit that is not necessarily needed. "Get your money girl" or "Don't put up with that s**t". The mothers will keep popping that junk into their ears.

For me personally I don't date black girls who don't have a fatherly figure in their life or some male that she can look up to. If she has no male role model your just another "guy" to her, and she will disrespect you anyway, anyhow, anywhere. So I advise guys that date black women. Go for the ones that have a father or some or kind of male role model that she has and likely your life will be a bit easier.

[Excelsior]

(06-30-2011 12:15 PM)UrbanNerd Wrote:  

Hmmm....

This thread is starting to seem like it is insinuating that a woman with a certain look is supposed "better" or some type of goal. At least say it in a subjective (or objective) manner.

Of course the ability to transcend racial boundaries is a goal for any black male traveler. Wouldn't you want to know if there was a social obstacle barring over half of the (in this case, lighter skinned/white) population of a nation/region from you? And if you found out that was the case, wouldn't it bug you a bit, and perhaps lead you to thinking about avoiding that place?

Guys are just trying to figure this situation out and make it clearer.

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Now my take....

Personally, I feel that the pic with 'ole boy in the red did MUCH BETTER than anything Pele was in pics with.

I completely agree, that girl was fine.

[Excelsior]

(06-30-2011 05:48 PM)Urban Renaissance Man Wrote:  

Yes, it does suck to always have to jump three extra hurdles to endear yourself to a girl whose parents may have told her how hurt they would be if she brought home someone black. On the other hand, we could just start exclusively dating women of our own race, and avoid some of that subtle racist programming that comes along with many (not all) women of other races.

I back speakeasy on this subject when I say that, within the context of Black America, this isn't much of a solution.

Black American women are not a very good option in general. Exceptions to the rule exist, but if a black man insists on finding a black women I wholeheartedly suggest he look outside of the United States.

Judging from what Chocolatinha and others are saying, it seems like Brazil is still a decent place for black guys to seek said women. Brazil provides opportunities for a darker guy so long as he isn't looking for these.

[UrbanNerd]

Actually, you CAN black women in the USA that are not of the stereotypical "mold", but in my experiences they have to pretty much come from a very diverse and upper-middle class suburb...or maybe from of the more "obscure" states of the USA (Vermonts, New Hampshires, Utahs, etc).

[Diablo]

(06-30-2011 12:15 PM)UrbanNerd Wrote:  

Hmmm....

This thread is starting to seem like it is insinuating that a woman with a certain look is supposed "better" or some type of goal. At least say it in a subjective (or objective) manner.

Now my take....

Personally, I feel that the pic with 'ole boy in the red did MUCH BETTER than anything Pele was in pics with.

mmmmm I can kinda agree with you...but its a lot easier outside.

(07-01-2011 08:53 AM)UrbanNerd Wrote:  

Actually, you CAN black women in the USA that are not of the stereotypical "mold", but in my experiences they have to pretty much come from a very diverse and upper-middle class suburb...or maybe from of the more "obscure" states of the USA (Vermonts, New Hampshires, Utahs, etc).

[playa_with_a_passport]

(06-26-2011 03:37 PM)Global Baller Wrote:  

This thread is specifically for brothas who have rolled thru Brasil. How have y'all done with Brasileiras???

I have been to both Salvador and Rio. The trip was about two weeks and I got laid a grand total of 0 times. Don't get wrong, girls were very friendly and receptive. Not once did I felt that the girls weren't feeling me because I was dark skinned. My main problem was the language barrier. There's nothing more frustrating than a dime piece coming up to you in the club and you having no fucking clue what she saying.

To any Brothas going to Brazil, its is imperative for you to know at least know basic Portuguese unless you don't mind banging pro's day in day out. On final note, I have met Black expats in both Argentina and Brazil. The ones in Brazil love every minute of it, the ones in Argentina all they do is talk about the one trip they do to Brazil every other month.

[SLIMMACKEY]

OK...So I joined because I travel and am doing more of it now. I agree and DISAGREE with a lotta stuff being said but the viewpoints are good conversation pieces. I will say this, I have not been to Brazil, but the reason I followed this topic is because I am a dark skinned American lookin at goin to Carnival 2012. I have been places where the language barrier is too big, so I can relate to what plata wit a passport said above. But the question I have is this: well two questions.
1.) I thought most Brazilians could speak at least a little Engish? Exactly how hard was it to get the lingo goin if they couldnt?
2.) Who cares about the socio-economic status bar?? We face that everyday here so it wouldnt be any different traveling abroad. So are the "favela" chicas the only ones anybody ever hollas at? Nobody shoots their stick at the other"light/white chicas?

I do not mean to sound cocky, but Im a player. I gets it in. No matter where I am. I just got back from London where I have a piece to live with and when she went on Holiday with her family I tore through some really white tru blood Brittains. But I am a firm believer that its all about game. You can get past MOST...I say again MOST bullshit if you got game. A fire mouthpiece is priceless. It doesnt hurt to be able to talk about almost anyting either...the struggle or the successes.

I am truly interested in how any foreign woman looks at the darker American.Its always good to kinda get an idea of what to expect. But I guess what Im trying to get at is that if they are receptive to game, by whomever....we will get it in. I know when I hit Rio and Sao Paolo in gettin on whatever sparks my interest. Favela or no Favelo. Im smashin from the hood to the palace.
My dudes, women are women. They wont like all of us, but one thing is for sho....if we can get an ear and we got game, we r in.....I like the forum. keep the experiences comin.....

Oh yeah, I know Im new but I documents all my adventures. Pics and videos. Is there somewhere to post?? Roosh chime in. Also, I will document via cam and camera what happens on my first official Brazil trip.

[kdolo]

(07-05-2011 06:33 PM)SLIMMACKEY Wrote:  

OK...So I joined because I travel and am doing more of it now. I agree and DISAGREE with a lotta stuff being said but the viewpoints are good conversation pieces. I will say this, I have not been to Brazil, but the reason I followed this topic is because I am a dark skinned American lookin at goin to Carnival 2012. I have been places where the language barrier is too big, so I can relate to what plata wit a passport said above. But the question I have is this: well two questions.
1.) I thought most Brazilians could speak at least a little Engish? Exactly how hard was it to get the lingo goin if they couldnt?
2.) Who cares about the socio-economic status bar?? We face that everyday here so it wouldnt be any different traveling abroad. So are the "favela" chicas the only ones anybody ever hollas at? Nobody shoots their stick at the other"light/white chicas?

I do not mean to sound cocky, but Im a player. I gets it in. No matter where I am. I just got back from London where I have a piece to live with and when she went on Holiday with her family I tore through some really white tru blood Brittains. But I am a firm believer that its all about game. You can get past MOST...I say again MOST bullshit if you got game. A fire mouthpiece is priceless. It doesnt hurt to be able to talk about almost anyting either...the struggle or the successes.

I am truly interested in how any foreign woman looks at the darker American.Its always good to kinda get an idea of what to expect. But I guess what Im trying to get at is that if they are receptive to game, by whomever....we will get it in. I know when I hit Rio and Sao Paolo in gettin on whatever sparks my interest. Favela or no Favelo. Im smashin from the hood to the palace.
My dudes, women are women. They wont like all of us, but one thing is for sho....if we can get an ear and we got game, we r in.....I like the forum. keep the experiences comin.....

Oh yeah, I know Im new but I documents all my adventures. Pics and videos. Is there somewhere to post?? Roosh chime in. Also, I will document via cam and camera what happens on my first official Brazil trip.

SlimMackey, You are 100% correct. At the end of the day, proximity and game trump all. Women may have a template in their mind of who is appropriate to fuck or not, but good game trips them up all the time.

If you want to bang the upper crust and "white" Latin dimes, the keys are 1. proximity: you must be where they are 2. game/fearlessness 3. Be respectful to the fact that much of her decision to fuck will be affected by social proof and whether she thinks her racial group or class will approve. Therefore remove her from that milieu and its on. Field tested. Brazil, Columbia, DR

[rudebwoy]

(07-01-2011 02:05 AM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

(06-30-2011 05:48 PM)Urban Renaissance Man Wrote:  

Yes, it does suck to always have to jump three extra hurdles to endear yourself to a girl whose parents may have told her how hurt they would be if she brought home someone black. On the other hand, we could just start exclusively dating women of our own race, and avoid some of that subtle racist programming that comes along with many (not all) women of other races.

I back speakeasy on this subject when I say that, within the context of Black America, this isn't much of a solution.

Black American women are not a very good option in general. Exceptions to the rule exist, but if a black man insists on finding a black women I wholeheartedly suggest he look outside of the United States.

Judging from what Chocolatinha and others are saying, it seems like Brazil is still a decent place for black guys to seek said women. Brazil provides opportunities for a darker guy so long as he isn't looking for these.

I think too many people here are stereotyping blacks in America, yes there are poor ones, middle class ones and rich ones. There are way more poor white people in America, but people outside of America have this impression that everyone lives this LA/Miami/Nyc lifestyle based on what the media portrays.
I am not a fan of NYC but I will say there are loads of decent black women to be found there and they are not ghetto. Through my family social circle I have met a few of these ladies.
Maybe I am paranoid but marrying ANY woman is risky, marrying one from a different culture is even riskier. I personally know far more bad stories regarding men that have done this than good ones. The only way this would work if you are willing to live in X country, Brazil in this case.

Now for the skin colour issue - Brazil for the most part is a poor country, although they are supposedly on the rise I have still met quite a few of them that have migrated to Canada recently.
It is no secret that the blacks are the poorest and the whites the richest. So with that in my mind the women there would not fathom that a dark skin american man who has spent a couple of G$'s to travel to there country, would probably not live in a ghetto. Conversely, Joe white guy would be assumed to have money because he is from America or some European country.

I am a huge soccer fan so I have always wanted to visit the country since I was a child, perhaps one day i will see the large christ statue, the girl from ipanema and the Marcana stadium. The women are sexy but I do find alot of them have butterfaces and I have no desire to learn the lingo. I am sure 98% of the men that go there are only dealing with pro's and semi pro's.

On a personal level, I live in a fairly large home and both my folks drive nice luxury cars. I use to fight against the black male stereotype but now I play into it because women do NOT want the educated clean cut black man. I still get the same questions about how many kids I have? If I am from Jamaica? etc Telling them I was born in London UK and attended a private school will lose them.

[Excelsior]

(07-05-2011 10:23 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

I think too many people here are stereotyping blacks in America,

I don't stereotype-I present the facts as they are.

Those who disagree with me are welcome to try and refute those fact as they are presented, but I doubt they will succeed.
The truth is difficult to disprove.

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yes there are poor ones, middle class ones and rich ones.

None of the trends/distinctions I mentioned regarding black American women are limited to their poor.
These phenomena transcend class.

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There are way more poor white people in America,

Not on a per capita basis.

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I am not a fan of NYC but I will say there are loads of decent black women to be found there and they are not ghetto. Through my family social circle I have met a few of these ladies.

1. Once again, this is not a class issue. You appear to be presuming that the trends I outline are limited to "ghetto" women, or women who appear to be ghetto.
That is a myth.

2. There are exceptions to every rule.

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Maybe I am paranoid but marrying ANY woman is risky,

Black American women are riskier.

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marrying one from a different culture is even riskier.

Untrue. Cross-culture marriages in this country have lower divorce rates.

(the rate gets significantly lower still when you begin to eliminate those divorces involving massive 20+ year age differences, very short courtship periods and other extremities).

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I personally know far more bad stories regarding men that have done this than good ones.

Anecdotes don't prove the point.

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The only way this would work if you are willing to live in X country, Brazil in this case.

Agreed, that makes things easier.

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On a personal level, I live in a fairly large home and both my folks drive nice luxury cars. I use to fight against the black male stereotype but now I play into it because women do NOT want the educated clean cut black man. I still get the same questions about how many kids I have? If I am from Jamaica? etc Telling them I was born in London UK and attended a private school will lose them.

Generally correct, though I find the "clean cut" image to be useful for transcending racial/class lines in the US and appealing to a larger number of white women (reaching the vast majority who, in most cases, don't date black guys).

[Theogreat]

Maybe I am paranoid but marrying ANY woman is risky,
You:Black American women are riskier.

Me: Naw brah I gotta to disagree with you. Most non black women don't want to date or marry black men. Trust me I know! The ones that do tend to be on the lower end of attractiveness or goldiggers.

Untrue. Cross-culture marriages in this country have lower divorce rates.
(the rate gets significantly lower still when you begin to eliminate those divorces involving massive 20+ year age differences, very short courtship periods and other extremities).

Me: I am guessing you haven't seen this http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.11...491.x/full The site that you are referring to is Russian brides with white men not black men huge difference.
You: Generally correct, though I find the "clean cut" image to be useful for transcending racial/class lines in the US and appealing to a larger number of white women (reaching the vast majority who, in most cases, don't date black guys).

Me: Hmm i kind of agree with you here but then again I don't. The non black women that tend to like black men usually are into the same type of black men that black women are into (thugs). The ones that aren't again tend to be not so attractive. I have seen only two black men with a non black woman that is in the 7-9.5 range and these men were your biracial Shemar Moore types. Most of my cousins that are married to white/hispanic women have had to downgrade drastically I'm talking 3-6 range. Its tough out here for black men but hey it is what it is.

[azulsombra]

(06-30-2011 12:07 PM)Diablo Wrote:  

(06-30-2011 11:58 AM)speakeasy Wrote:  

Miss C, how common are pairings like that in BR? I'm just curious.

Either way, I hope Brazil isn't as bad as the DR. No place on earth can be more worse than the DR. Those guys have serious racial issues.

I guess you haven't been to Panama then....

[speakeasy]

(07-06-2011 01:03 AM)Theogreat Wrote:  

Me: Hmm i kind of agree with you here but then again I don't. The non black women that tend to like black men usually are into the same type of black men that black women are into (thugs). The ones that aren't again tend to be not so attractive. I have seen only two black men with a non black woman that is in the 7-9.5 range and these men were your biracial Shemar Moore types. Most of my cousins that are married to white/hispanic women have had to downgrade drastically I'm talking 3-6 range. Its tough out here for black men but hey it is what it is.

I agree with this. Of course the light-skin pretty boy Lenny Kravitz/Rick Fox type "black" dude has a pretty wide net to work with and has a great chance of finding a girl(black or non-black) that is at least his equal looks-wise. For the guy with the complexion of Don Cheadle, you're kind of fucked if you want to date up short of being rich or famous.

[Vicious]

(07-05-2011 10:23 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

On a personal level, I live in a fairly large home and both my folks drive nice luxury cars. I use to fight against the black male stereotype but now I play into it because women do NOT want the educated clean cut black man. I still get the same questions about how many kids I have? If I am from Jamaica? etc Telling them I was born in London UK and attended a private school will lose them.

Wait, what? Is this with regard to the US or to Brazil? I would have assume the latter preferred educated professionals.

[pitt]

I know the subject has gone a bit off topic so i am going a bit off topic too.

I dont think all black women are into dating thugs, i am saying this based on my experience in London. So it basicallly varies from women to women, the average hood chick will be into thugs, more classy women, will be into more classy men.

The guy who gains advantage is the guy who can play both roles. When i dress like a classy guy i attract classy women, plus i can pull hood women, because i come along with a certain attitude (not really bad attitude, i would say more with a fun sense of humour and being dressed in a nice way but still a guy that acts normal and can make them feel like normal chicks and not make them feel inferior or anything like that), when i dress like a thug, i pull more women who are into the thug types, but dont get me wrong, i have slept with many women that were not into the thug type and told me that they didnt like the way i dressed, but i still didn´t give a fuck and fucked them.

That shit sounds corny to me about girls just liking the hood types. If you look good, dont act all posh and shit like that, you will pull tons of girls, period.

[Diablo]

(07-06-2011 03:14 AM)pitt Wrote:  

I know the subject has gone a bit off topic so i am going a bit off topic too.

I dont think all black women are into dating thugs, i am saying this based on my experience in London. So it basicallly varies from women to women, the average hood chick will be into thugs, more classy women, will be into more classy men.

The guy who gains advantage is the guy who can play both roles. When i dress like a classy guy i attract classy women, plus i can pull hood women, because i come along with a certain attitude (not really bad attitude, i would say more with a fun sense of humour and being dressed in a nice way but still a guy that acts normal and can make them feel like normal chicks and not make them feel inferior or anything like that), when i dress like a thug, i pull more women who are into the thug types, but dont get me wrong, i have slept with many women that were not into the thug type and told me that they didnt like the way i dressed, but i still didn´t give a fuck and fucked them.

That shit sounds corny to me about girls just liking the hood types. If you look good, dont act all posh and shit like that, you will pull tons of girls, period.

I agree that not ALL black women are like this BUT I too live in the UK, Buckinghamshire to be precise, and getting love from chicks that don't like the thuggish type is in fact difficult.

Hell they had a nick name for black men that didn't conform to that thuggish stereotype. They were called Bounty, as in the Bounty chocolate bar. Thats because when you take a bite out of a bounty bar it has white on the inside. So people would say your black on the outside but white on the inside. Just another way of saying you ain't black enough. Now those guys never got black pussy.

[Diablo]

I had a long thought about this whole THUG thing and I have a theory on this. (This is just a theory so you are entitled to disagree, its just something I noticed in my inter cultural dating).

I think it has more to do with over-confidence than men having to be thugs. In other words, black women in N.America prefer more confidence than say women from the African continent. You can be classy like Denzel Washington but you can't get too comfortable. You have to constantly be on your game.

I have seen some pretty Beta males in Ghana, West Africa dating some 9s and 10's because its in the culture for women to be women. It's just that simple, Ghana is an overly paternal country. I have met middle and upper class women in Africa, that have beta-male men married to them and they allow the guys to cheat. And no matter what they wouldn't divorce the guy. It's not like in the US where you catch a guy cheating and 2 days later say "I want a divorce", fight for custody of the kids, Alimony, and share assets etc etc. The family would get involved and it would become a family matter. So basically the chick has no choice but to stay. You don't have to act too alpha, at least in W. Africa, because the whole system works to your favor. That doesn't mean their aren't bad women in Africa. Of course there are and often when you meet one.....Lets just say they can make the baddest female in America look like a kitty-cat compared to them. I mean their vicious little B*tches. I remember having arguments with my girlfriend in africa. We could have big arguments where I would storm out the house for like an hour. When I come back dinner is ready and she acts as if nothing happened. We apologize to each other, have mad crazy sex and move on. I could come home at like 2am and just stroke the pussy and she'd be ready for sex. It's not like in Europe or the US where I could go for whole days not talking to my GF or she would use sex as a bargaining chip. Although when we broke up, I can say it was the worse thing I have ever gone through.

In the smaller towns and villages of Ghana divorce isn't even in the vocabulary. The same seems to hold true for Latin America. The culture hasn't quite eroded to the extent that it has in the US. If you have normal confidence, not overly machista style, you could get away with getting an 8 that wouldn't give you a headache.

I noticed in the UK to do with Latinas. It's harder to get a hot latina in London if you can't dance, speak the language or act macho. You got to be a hard ass. Not all of them are like this, but most are. You have to be like Sean Connery style James Bond.

[pitt]

Diablo you been to Ghana before? I would love to read a datasheet about Ghana, places to day game chicks and things like that. Yo Ghana got some bad bitches, i was fucking one last year, she had a bootyyyy.

Man i think confidence attracts women from everywhere, i personally see denzel washington as an Alpha, he is far from being a beta. The guy can play the role he wants to play, in my opinion that is what makes a true alpha.