[scorpion]

(08-08-2015 11:12 AM)LEMONed IScream Wrote:  

And now come the ad-homs. It is always the next step.

Just as an analogy is not a straw man; pointing out your lack of understanding is not an ad hominem.

You seem to be very confused. This thread is not going well for you.

[LEMONed IScream]

You got your NWO white genocide insanity exposed and now you resort to mild passive-agressive insulting. Fantastic. I've seen you make similar comments in similar threads. There seems to be a pattern here. Which makes it much more interesting.

(08-08-2015 11:19 AM)scorpion Wrote:  

(08-08-2015 11:12 AM)LEMONed IScream Wrote:  

And now come the ad-homs. It is always the next step.

Just as an analogy is not a straw man; pointing out your lack of understanding is not an ad hominem.

You seem to be very confused. This thread is not going well for you.

[Mike5055]

I don't quite buy the whole NWO is making this happen. I think there are numerous causes behind why people are coming and as for the political paralysis, it's because for years the whole diversity and acceptance crap has been spoon fed to the public.

Politicians aren't doing anything because if they do, they look like they hate whatever group they're acting against (to a certain crowd) which could cost them votes.

Their inaction is rooted in selfishness. Let's hope that changes before it's too late.

[Teedub]

I've become more left wing (economically) recently. This is pure globalisation, which is driven by capitalism. Fucking up countries for resources, overthrowing decent leaders (Assad), fucking up the sea with the balls that come in exfoliating creams...Globalisation is fucking every country up, driving wages down, fragmenting communities etc. Sure, the left loves immigration for the SJW reasons we all know, but the right loves it too for economic purposes.

Considering how much Fight Club is idolized within this community, perhaps it's time we start actually fighting for some of the ideals preached within it. Capitalism has basically emasculated men, then told them that the only way to recapture that masculinity is to buy a certain car/product.

Fuck that shit.

P.S. Krauser had it right.

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- The UK should only consider asylum seekers from Iceland, Norway, Republic of Ireland and France. Any asylum seeker from a different country has already passed through at least one safe country already. They are hitting the UK because they are chancers. Shoot them on sight.

- Anyone trying to jump a border illegally should be considered an enemy invader and either imprisoned, deported, or shot depending on how much of a problem their race has been in the past.

But, perhaps if globalists stopped fucking up their countries we wouldn't need to resort to such measures.

[Dusty]

It seems like it is only white majority nations that are suppose to embrace multiculturalism and take in immigrants from 3rd world countries. It is understood that Japan will be dominated by Japanese, now and forever. Same with China and most if not all other non-white nations.

No one is horrified by Japan's (or pick any other non-white country for an example) strict immigration policies that prevents the country from being anything but overwhelmingly Japanese. But woe be it to white nation that wants to keep its culture and people.

Why can Japan be for the Japanese with no one giving two shits, but England can't be for the English?

This PC garbage where whites have to be self-loathing and genocidal just makes me sick.

[Samseau]

(08-08-2015 11:32 AM)Teedub Wrote:  

I've become more left wing (economically) recently. This is pure globalisation, which is driven by capitalism. Fucking up countries for resources, overthrowing decent leaders (Assad), fucking up the sea with the balls that come in exfoliating creams their countries we wouldn't need to resort to such measures.

Capitalism has to be the weakest explanation possible. No one is making any money off of these African invaders nor are we making money off destroying their countries.

Right now debt, unemployment, and profits are at all time lows across Europe and the USA. What are you talking about, capitalism? You're completely out of touch with reality here, sorry man.

If capitalism were running the show, you would see:

- Enforced slavery of the Africans invaders
- Zero taxation for the welfare state
- Zero democracy

A proper capitalist system means rule for the rich by the rich, and all I see right now are the rich getting fleeced by socialist states the likes we haven't seen since Stalin and Lenin.

[LEMONed IScream]

In this point I do agree. This is white-guilt all over again. If Japan does it, whites just reason "They are defending their culture." But do not apply the same reasoning when it comes to their own countries. I am not against immigration all together though, obviously.

(08-08-2015 11:47 AM)Dusty Wrote:  

It seems like it is only white majority nations that are suppose to embrace multiculturalism and take in immigrants from 3rd world countries. It is understood that Japan will be dominated by Japanese, now and forever. Same with China and most if not all other non-white nations.

No one is horrified by Japan's (or pick any other non-white country for an example) strict immigration policies that prevents the country from being anything but overwhelmingly Japanese. But woe be it to white nation that wants to keep its culture and people.

Why can Japan be for the Japanese with no one giving two shits, but England can't be for the English?

This PC garbage where whites have to be self-loathing and genocidal just makes me sick.

[Samseau]

(08-08-2015 10:50 AM)LEMONed IScream Wrote:  

I do not dispute that the EU is being incompetent, it seems that point hasn't quite come across...

What I dispute is the white-genocide, NWO, whatever you all want to call it, theory. There are a great deal of other factors that influence this decision making, other than the atom bomb that is the white-genocide for NWO domination agenda.

Incompetence is a worse explanation than the NWO explanation. Incompetence cannot describe why the migrants are let in, it cannot describe why there is rampant brainwashing against White culture in the university, and it cannot describe why any laws that promote White interests are banned.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

(08-08-2015 10:50 AM)LEMONed IScream Wrote:  

I do not dispute that the EU is being incompetent, it seems that point hasn't quite come across...

What I dispute is the white-genocide, NWO, whatever you all want to call it, theory. There are a great deal of other factors that influence this decision making, other than the atom bomb that is the white-genocide for NWO domination agenda.

Lemon, I agree with you that it's a sketchy theory and have no love for it myself.

However, can 20+ years of consistent failure and obstruction of any attempts at repairing the situation really be explained by coincidence and incompetence?

For example, in Croatia we have an insane law (possibly the only one of its kind on the entire planet - even the people in Africa were aghast at hearing about it) that anyone with any ownership stake in any business or craft is automatically considered to be employed by himself and has to pay approx. $300 a month to the government for "pension & health contributions", regardless of not just income, but also revenue. That's right - you have to pay $300 per month just for uttering the sentence "I would like to run a business" and then laying down in bed, doing nothing and having a revenue of $0.

And once you decide that it's horseshit and the government shouldn't be burdening your enterprise like that, closing the company costs you $2-3000, so you actually have lots of people going bankrupt, having their houses seized and becoming homeless paupers - all for having wanted to work at some point. Remember, they didn't take out loans or do anything risky - they just said "I'd like to run a business".

In the last 25 years, we've had 7 governments from 10 different political parties in power, and not once - despite talking about stimulating the economy all the time - has anyone ever proposed removing this stupid law. 25 years and not a single mention of it!

Can that really be a coincidence? Surely there has to be some explanation for it.

[Dusty]

(08-08-2015 11:49 AM)LEMONed IScream Wrote:  

In this point I do agree. This is white-guilt all over again. If Japan does it, whites just reason "They are defending their culture." But do not apply the same reasoning when it comes to their own countries.

Yes, let's do a thought experiment.

Let's imagine a whole bunch of whites from the USA, England, Australia, New Zealand, and Canada got on boats and went to Japan. We get there and demand welfare benefits from the Japanese. We raise their crime rates and they are scared of us. We refuse to learn Japanese and demand the schools and governments and call centers etc offer everything in English. We have our own holidays and we protest on Japanese holidays and call the important people in their national history names like racists and genocidal killers. We demand the curriculum in schools be changed so that Japan's history is told in a negative and hateful light and our history is held up as beautiful. We create PC rules so that the Japanese can't criticize us but we can criticize them. Japanese people will lose their jobs if they look at us askance. Whites get preferential hiring status over Japanese. We say there are too many Japanese in Japan universities, so they need to be discriminated against and they need to lower their standards to let more of us white folk in. The whites always complain and agitate and protest, yet the media and academia takes the sides of the whites, and infers that any Japanese that don't like the agitation are evil people. etc etc

[LEMONed IScream]

This is a bit off topic in a sense but OK.

What several governments and political parties have in common is the religion of statism. Treating citizens/taxpayers essentially as a fixed commodity to grant them income. That is a retarded example indeed but I can find you similar ones here in Portugal, I can probably find somewhat similar ones in other countries, governments often pursue ways of raising the tax levy on taxpayers. Can we apply the same to the immigrant narrative as a motive regarding WHY they are getting in with relative ease? Perhaps we can.

(08-08-2015 11:56 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

(08-08-2015 10:50 AM)LEMONed IScream Wrote:  

I do not dispute that the EU is being incompetent, it seems that point hasn't quite come across...

What I dispute is the white-genocide, NWO, whatever you all want to call it, theory. There are a great deal of other factors that influence this decision making, other than the atom bomb that is the white-genocide for NWO domination agenda.

Lemon, I agree with you that it's a sketchy theory and have no love for it myself.

However, can 20+ years of consistent failure and obstruction of any attempts at repairing the situation really be explained by coincidence and incompetence?

For example, in Croatia we have an insane law (possibly the only one of its kind on the entire planet - even the people in Africa were aghast at hearing about it) that anyone with any ownership stake in any business or craft is automatically considered to be employed by himself and has to pay approx. $300 a month to the government for "pension & health contributions", regardless of not just income, but also revenue. That's right - you have to pay $300 per month just for uttering the sentence "I would like to run a business" and then laying down in bed, doing nothing and having a revenue of $0.

And once you decide that it's horseshit and the government shouldn't be burdening your enterprise like that, closing the company costs you $2-3000, so you actually have lots of people going bankrupt, having their houses seized and becoming homeless paupers - all for having wanted to work at some point. Remember, they didn't take out loans or do anything risky - they just said "I'd like to run a business".

In the last 25 years, we've had 7 governments from 10 different political parties in power, and not once - despite talking about stimulating the economy all the time - has anyone ever proposed removing this stupid law. 25 years and not a single mention of it!

Can that really be a coincidence? Surely there has to be some explanation for it.

[Phoenix]

(08-08-2015 12:00 PM)Dusty Wrote:  

(08-08-2015 11:49 AM)LEMONed IScream Wrote:  

In this point I do agree. This is white-guilt all over again. If Japan does it, whites just reason "They are defending their culture." But do not apply the same reasoning when it comes to their own countries.

Yes, let's do a thought experiment.

Let's imagine a whole bunch of whites from the USA, England, Australia, New Zealand, and Canada got on boats and went to Japan. We get there and demand welfare benefits from the Japanese. We raise their crime rates and they are scared of us. We refuse to learn Japanese and demand the schools and governments and call centers etc offer everything in English. We have our own holidays and we protest on Japanese holidays and call the important people in their national history names like racists and genocidal killers. We demand the curriculum in schools be changed so that Japan's history is told in a negative and hateful light and our history is held up as beautiful. We create PC rules so that the Japanese can't criticize us but we can criticize them. Japanese people will lose their jobs if they look at us askance. Whites get preferential hiring status over Japanese. We say there are too many Japanese in Japan universities, so they need to be discriminated against and they need to lower their standards to let more of us white folk in. The whites always complain and agitate and protest, yet the media and academia takes the sides of the whites, and infers that any Japanese that don't like the agitation are evil people. etc etc

Yes but they don't do this because Japanese people aren't insane.

[scorpion]

(08-08-2015 11:24 AM)LEMONed IScream Wrote:  

You got your NWO white genocide insanity exposed and now you resort to mild passive-agressive insulting. Fantastic. I've seen you make similar comments in similar threads. There seems to be a pattern here. Which makes it much more interesting.

I never insulted you, I simply said that you don't know what you're talking about, which is quite obvious. You didn't even understand the difference between a straw man fallacy and an analogy. When I pointed this out, you claimed I was making an ad hominem. Now, when I point out that you seem confused, you say I'm insulting you. Additionally, you claim that my posts detailing the method by which immigration is used as a weapon against white European populations are "insanity", despite your failure to refute me at all. You simply wave your hands and say, "Alex Jones conspiracy mumbo jumbo, just nonsense, blah blah..." as if that someone constitutes an argument. It does not.

You simply just don't know what you're talking about. You aren't well-read enough and/or wise enough (your posting history makes that abundantly clear) to hold an intelligent opinion on these issues. As I said from the beginning, you're out of your depth. The fact that you don't realize this is further evidence for it.

[LEMONed IScream]

It is better to watch paint dry than to stare at walls. End of discussion on my part. Keep your NWO and your White Genocide and do not waste my time with inane prattling. It is useless to argue with broken disks. I have presented several arguments which were consistently ignored and met with false analogies and a condescending tone.

[Saga]

(08-08-2015 11:49 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

Capitalism has to be the weakest explanation possible. No one is making any money off of these African invaders nor are we making money off destroying their countries.

Few are making any immediate profit off of illegals, true, but there are other pieces in play I think. Tradition, community, church and family are obstacles to consumerism, and so weakening these institutions are a boon to corporate interests. Mass immigration helps accomplish this through the dilution of the national character and the atomization of life. When a people is deprived of everything they once cherished, all that's left for them is to go shopping, which is exactly what so much of big business desperately wants.

Capitalism unrestrained by civil society would gladly destroy its home nations for a bit more money. However, to paraphrase Marie Le Penn, the political division of most import is no longer between the left and right: it's between nationalists and globalists. That's why there are both capitalists and socialists who love globalization, while there are both capitalists and socialists who loathe it.

[Phoenix]

That's the second time I've seen you use the "You simply just don't know what you're talking about" line, Scorpion, in that dismissive "if you don't accept what I say, you're unintelligent" manner.

[scorpion]

(08-08-2015 12:17 PM)Phoenix Wrote:  

That's the second time I've seen you use the "You simply just don't know what you're talking about" line, Scorpion, in that dismissive "if you don't accept what I say, you're unintelligent" manner.

Only the second? Surely I've used it more than that. I hate to say it, Phoenix, but I don't think you know what you're talking about.

[Samseau]

(08-08-2015 12:15 PM)Saga Wrote:  

(08-08-2015 11:49 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

Capitalism has to be the weakest explanation possible. No one is making any money off of these African invaders nor are we making money off destroying their countries.

Few are making any immediate profit off of illegals, true, but there are other pieces in play I think. Tradition, community, church and family are obstacles to consumerism, and so weakening these institutions are a boon to corporate interests. Mass immigration helps accomplish this through the dilution of the national character and the atomization of life. When a people is deprived of everything they once cherished, all that's left for them is to go shopping, which is exactly what so much of big business desperately wants.

Capitalism unrestrained by civil society would gladly destroy its home nations for a bit more money. However, to paraphrase Marie Le Penn, the political division of most import is no longer between the left and right: it's between nationalists and globalists. That's why there are both capitalists and socialists who love globalization, while there are both capitalists and socialists who loathe it.

You don't need mass immigration to atomize individuals for consumption practices.

Moreover, mass immigration impoverishes economies by destroying the amount of wages workers earn which means less money for workers to spend for consumption.

Again, if capitalism, or globalism, were actual forces with power you'd see the return of slavery and colonialism. You'd see corporations build armies, invade poor shitholes, and plunder every drop of wealth out of it to be resold in richer European markets. You'd see 19th century stuff. Right now we have exactly the opposite, so it's obvious that money just isn't the motivational force.

[Samseau]

(08-08-2015 12:14 PM)LEMONed IScream Wrote:  

It is better to watch paint dry than to stare at walls. End of discussion on my part. Keep your NWO and your White Genocide and do not waste my time with inane prattling. It is useless to argue with broken disks. I have presented several arguments which were consistently ignored and met with false analogies and a condescending tone.

I've responded to your arguments do you have a response to anything I've said?

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Incompetence is a worse explanation than the NWO explanation. Incompetence cannot describe why the migrants are let in, it cannot describe why there is rampant brainwashing against White culture in the university, and it cannot describe why any laws that promote White interests are banned.

[MidWest]

(08-08-2015 11:47 AM)Dusty Wrote:  

It seems like it is only white majority nations that are suppose to embrace multiculturalism and take in immigrants from 3rd world countries. It is understood that Japan will be dominated by Japanese, now and forever. Same with China and most if not all other non-white nations.

No one is horrified by Japan's (or pick any other non-white country for an example) strict immigration policies that prevents the country from being anything but overwhelmingly Japanese. But woe be it to white nation that wants to keep its culture and people.

Why can Japan be for the Japanese with no one giving two shits, but England can't be for the English?

This PC garbage where whites have to be self-loathing and genocidal just makes me sick.

Just ask the Japanese how that's going for them. Their population is declining and on life support right now because of their stubbornness of not bringing in immigrants.



Japan's population is now compromised of older people all while couples are having one child well into their 30s and sometimes no kids at all because of work. That's a problem. When you're having no kids, you're country can't survive. Countries like Romania, Ukraine, Lithuania have very low birthrates and their populations are in decline.

The USA, UK, Germany, France and other countries alike understand this. So to combat this problem they bring in immigrants to even out the birth-rate. Its that simple. Its like a person who got shot and lost blood and is dying, suddenly gets revitalized with a couple of blood transfusions at the hospital.

It has nothing to do with some conspiracy to erase whites off the face of the earth. It just so happens that most first world nations are European. People in first world countries tend to go to college and have a whole identity tied to their careers, thus having less time to make babies.


And to think I was once a big fan of Alex Jones, Ron Paul and all of those guys a while back. How naive was I. Its pretty much White Nationalist central there.

[Samseau]

(08-08-2015 12:42 PM)MidWest Wrote:  

(08-08-2015 11:47 AM)Dusty Wrote:  

It seems like it is only white majority nations that are suppose to embrace multiculturalism and take in immigrants from 3rd world countries. It is understood that Japan will be dominated by Japanese, now and forever. Same with China and most if not all other non-white nations.

No one is horrified by Japan's (or pick any other non-white country for an example) strict immigration policies that prevents the country from being anything but overwhelmingly Japanese. But woe be it to white nation that wants to keep its culture and people.

Why can Japan be for the Japanese with no one giving two shits, but England can't be for the English?

This PC garbage where whites have to be self-loathing and genocidal just makes me sick.

Just ask the Japanese how that's going for them. Their population is declining and on life support right now because of their stubbornness of not bringing in immigrants.



Japan's population is now compromised of older people all while couples are having one child well into their 30s and sometimes no kids at all because of work. That's a problem. When you're having no kids, you're country can't survive. Countries like Romania, Ukraine, Lithuania have very low birthrates and their populations are in decline.

The USA, UK, Germany, France and other countries alike understand this. So to combat this problem they bring in immigrants to even out the birth-rate. Its that simple. Its like a person who got shot and lost blood and is dying, suddenly gets revitalized with a couple of blood transfusions at the hospital.

It has nothing to do with some conspiracy to erase whites off the face of the earth. It just so happens that most first world nations are European. People in first world countries tend to go to college and have a whole identity tied to their careers, thus having less time to make babies.


And to think I was once a big fan of Alex Jones, Ron Paul and all of those guys a while back. How naive was I. Its pretty much White Nationalist central there.

Sorry, but this explanation also makes no sense because these same rulers go on and on about how first-world countries are overpopulated and therefore birth-control, abortions, planned parenthood, careers for women, etc. need to exist.

Fact is declining birthrates are easily reversed, but mass immigration is not easily reversed.

To reverse the birthrates you just need to stop sending women to school. Have them get married instead. Not rocket science.

To prove this point, look at the birthrates of Hispanic women who immigrate to the USA:



http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archiv...qus_thread

As we can see the women who come here end up become just as infertile as the White women which shows that immigration isn't a solution.

[LEMONed IScream]

(08-08-2015 12:33 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(08-08-2015 12:14 PM)LEMONed IScream Wrote:  

It is better to watch paint dry than to stare at walls. End of discussion on my part. Keep your NWO and your White Genocide and do not waste my time with inane prattling. It is useless to argue with broken disks. I have presented several arguments which were consistently ignored and met with false analogies and a condescending tone.

I've responded to your arguments do you have a response to anything I've said?

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Incompetence is a worse explanation than the NWO explanation. Incompetence cannot describe why the migrants are let in, it cannot describe why there is rampant brainwashing against White culture in the university, and it cannot describe why any laws that promote White interests are banned.

Do you also agree with the NWO explanation? So I can get a perspective.

It is a combination of many things, there's the white guilt, the colonial shame, the abundance of PC speech, all these things end up coinciding in the general fear of "Being racist".

As I mentioned before, the EU has "Human Rights" as one of their mantras too. Letting migrants in is also an act of political "coherence". But this is more of an EU stance. If you notice at the recent refugee distribution plans, there is no specific "consensus", the countries are arguing wether the amount of refugees they get is "fair". As I've also stated before, the influx of immigrants and the supposed but very likely increase in social security expenditure might also lead to higher taxes towards citizens. Here paths can diverge in terms of what is the "GOAL". Is there an exact goal? I am not completely sure. Is it a result of circumstance, incompetence and some of the constraints mentioned above? I find it more logical than a fictional supranational entity imposing a multiculturalist rainbow in order to dillute national authority. If we look at some countries, we might even say it might have inflamed Nationalism, look at France(Front Nationale) , Germany (PEGIDA demonstrations), and even in Sweden the SD are gaining more terrain. In the UK the anti-immigrant dialogue has also increased. Denmark and Norway have also taken some measures towards immigrants.

I see the big bureacratic monster that is the EU constantly tripping in it's own rules and regulations. Why is incompetence such an odd explanation? Hasn't it been a part of political action since....forever?

[Saga]

(08-08-2015 12:32 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

You don't need mass immigration to atomize individuals for consumption practices.

I agree, but it certainly magnifies the process. Mass immigration is probably the surest way to ensure that a people are unable to even call their own country a home. Deny a person a home and homeland, and he ceases to be a citizen or a family member, he exists only as a consumer. Could there be anything more desirable from a capitalist-globalist point of view?

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Moreover, mass immigration impoverishes economies by destroying the amount of wages workers earn which means less money for workers to spend for consumption.

A problem solved in the immediate short term by depleted family savings and more debt.

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Again, if capitalism, or globalism, were actual forces with power you'd see the return of slavery and colonialism. You'd see corporations build armies, invade poor shitholes, and plunder every drop of wealth out of it to be resold in richer European markets. You'd see 19th century stuff. Right now we have exactly the opposite, so it's obvious that money just isn't the motivational force.

In the 19th Century capitalism was subservient to the nation-state; in the 21st that's no longer the rule. Corporations are non-national entities, and so ransacking one country to enrich another makes little sense from that perspective. Economic plunder goes on constantly through free trade agreements, loans, privitization and so on. When forceful means are needed, nation states do the dirty work, which is more expedient given that it's easier to motivate men to fight and die for ostensibly patriotic purposes rather than the truth of the matter.

However, it would be complete nonsense if I said that capitalism must act in this way, or that it is acting alone in this (socialistic institutions in western Europe are one example). We know there are alternatives: capitalism in Japan, Russia, Singapore, Switzerland and other countries still serves the national interest to a large extent. However, it seems plain that capitalism in the west serves to undermine not just the national interest but the nation herself.

Capitalism is incredibly useful because of its powers of economic growth and innovation, but it must be balanced with the unselfish motives that live in civil society, else the former may devour the latter.

[amity]

I've seen the following video from a German Facebook friend (in German, with some subtitles, but you can get the jist of it even if you don't speak the language).
I shot back a comment along the lines of 'This is pure 'white guilt' propaganda perpetuating a simplistic narrative, one which does nothing to help but merely keeps people in ignorance'.
Thing is, many of my friends & work colleagues buy completely into this kind of propaganda, so even reasonable comments like the one I just said, are about as welcome as a paedophile at a creche.
Germany really does seem to be the epicentre for this kind of propaganda.

[Samseau]

(08-08-2015 01:16 PM)Saga Wrote:  

(08-08-2015 12:32 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

You don't need mass immigration to atomize individuals for consumption practices.

I agree, but it certainly magnifies the process. Mass immigration is probably the surest way to ensure that a people are unable to even call their own country a home. Deny a person a home and homeland, and he ceases to be a citizen or a family member, he exists only as a consumer. Could there be anything more desirable from a capitalist-globalist point of view?

No, because it destroys the ability for the Capitalist to make money. No more nation-states = no more money. The only way to rule in a world without nation-states is by brute force. This is the communist state, not the capitalist state.

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Moreover, mass immigration impoverishes economies by destroying the amount of wages workers earn which means less money for workers to spend for consumption.

A problem solved in the immediate short term by depleted family savings and more debt.

But ends in bankruptcy and destruction of the currency that the capitalist uses for power.

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Again, if capitalism, or globalism, were actual forces with power you'd see the return of slavery and colonialism. You'd see corporations build armies, invade poor shitholes, and plunder every drop of wealth out of it to be resold in richer European markets. You'd see 19th century stuff. Right now we have exactly the opposite, so it's obvious that money just isn't the motivational force.

In the 19th Century capitalism was subservient to the nation-state; in the 21st that's no longer the rule. Corporations are non-national entities, and so ransacking one country to enrich another makes little sense from that perspective. Economic plunder goes on constantly through free trade agreements, loans, privitization and so on. When forceful means are needed, nation states do the dirty work, which is more expedient given that it's easier to motivate men to fight and die for ostensibly patriotic purposes rather than the truth of the matter.

All that's happening is some capitalists sell out their countries in the short term for a bit of money. In the longer term the money ceases to hold value once the nation dissolves and the K-selected population organize under a new banner and currency (one that the capitalists will not be part of).

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However, it would be complete nonsense if I said that capitalism must act in this way, or that it is acting alone in this (socialistic institutions in western Europe are one example). We know there are alternatives: capitalism in Japan, Russia, Singapore, Switzerland and other countries still serves the national interest to a large extent. However, it seems plain that capitalism in the west serves to undermine not just the national interest but the nation herself.

Capitalism is incredibly useful because of its powers of economic growth and innovation, but it must be balanced with the unselfish motives that live in civil society, else the former may devour the latter.

You're confusing capitalist with love of money. Love of money is not capitalism. Money represents confidence in a currency which can be exchanged for things of value. Capitalists want the power of their money to grow so they can control more and more things with their money.

Hence, when we see people today sell out their countries for money (such as Apple and other corporations who move overseas to make stuff to be resold in Europe or America) they are being capitalist because they are increasing the amount of product per dollar they own.

But when you see capitalists support things that destroy the family or security of the very markets they depend upon to make money, then it's something else going on. Supporting gay marriage so they can be popular and sell more shit is a love of money, but from a capital POV they are undermining the markets they need to make money and will eventually find themselves without customers if people aren't reproducing or if everyone is taxed to death to support third-world hordes. In this case, it's simply a love of money which makes people betray their country and homeland for short-term gain.

A good capitalist thinks in the long term, for his family, whereas an evil capitalist only cares for himself. The evil capitalist really isn't a capitalist at all, and would gladly support a communist takeover by brute force even if it means the impoverishment of his country as long as he can be at the top when it happens.

So the the illegal immigration thing is explicitly anti-capitalist, and destroys the markets which the capital depends upon.