[Edelweiss]

It's a very tough choice to make, yet inevitable. You HAVE to.

But it's a difficult pill to swallow.

The side effects are really nasty.

Ever since I did it, my life changed to the better, but alas, to the bitter too.

The thing is I now SEE. I'm not blind anymore. But I don't LIKE what I see.

Because what I see is hypocrisy, degeneration, mediocrity, ignorance and mental slavery.

When you see the world in red pill eyes, you see the ugly reality.
It makes you stop enjoying many things in life.
It makes you find the majority of the people boring, uninteresting and frankly stupid. You pity them.
It makes the bulk of the women unworthy of your time.
It makes you can't stand your colleagues.
It makes many jokes not funny anymore.
It makes you question everything.
It makes everyone untrustworthy, even your physicians.

It makes you...a better person ! And I love it.

But I understand why the majority of the people ignore the red pill and decide to remain in blue pill slavery and mediocrity. It's easier. And you get to still enjoy life as you knew it, keep the friends who do the exact same thing, sympathize with your colleagues who complain about long working hours, date the same women who feel entitled to everything, watch the same TV programs which numb your mind and make you lose IQ points, vote for the same politicians who control the strings that make you move...

It's easier.

My biggest challenge now is how to make my children swallow the red pill, when they will be living in a blue pill bubble.

It's a scary thought. And don't tell me not to have children. I was given the chance of life, I want to give it to my children too.

[Fortis]

http://therationalmale.com/2012/07/25/th...nplugging/

[Vitriol]

(05-10-2015 03:51 PM)Edelweiss Wrote:  

The thing is I now SEE. I'm not blind anymore. But I don't LIKE what I see.

Because what I see is hypocrisy, degeneration, mediocrity, ignorance and mental slavery.

When you see the world in red pill eyes, you see the ugly reality.
It makes you stop enjoying many things in life.

I don't know why you're putting such a negative spin on seeing things the way they really are. After you peel back the layers of social conditioning you've gotten over the years, you should feel a great sense of freedom that you do not need to waste time on things that enslave you such as marriages, mortgages, dead-end jobs, and a number of other things that people waste their lives on just because it's "what you're supposed to do." You should feel relieved that you're not just going to become another lemming marching off the edge of a cliff.

This is an old Tom Leykis broadcast I've listened to several times. It should help you feel better about wanting to be better than your peers and not make the same mistakes as them. They get pissed at someone trying to become better because it's threatening. It can make others realize they're losers, so you become alienated.

[gamebreaker32]

Makes you see flaws in friends you didn't previously see

[TravelerKai]

These aren't dangers. You were already in more danger before the red pill, you just were not aware of it. If knowing is always half the battle, you are already half way to victory.

[Phoenix]

^ Exactly. You're not in danger of going thirsty if you won't drink your poison.

[la_mode]

I'm convinced there's two kinds of "red pill", and the valley between them is basically the grand canyon.

Blue pill who became red pill, and naturally red pill. I knew most people were idiots when I was a kid.

In short, cynicism is essentially red pill.

[Wutang]

I actually had a falling out with a group of casual acquaintances when my association with RP was revealed among the group so there is a "danger" with it affecting your social bonds. I put danger in quotes because you really should see it as more of an act of filtering out who you associate with rather then any sort of great harm; the exception being if these are people who you work with or who can put a wrench in you advancing in your goals. If the only real harm is losing a few acquaintances or even friends then you should ask yourself if these are really the sort of people you want to associate with. Do you want to surround yourself with people that are apparently so mentally weak that mere words and difference of opinion can drive them into bouts of wailing and sobbing?

While we promote self-sufficiency and being beholden to no other man or system in our particular subculture we need to keep remembering that no man is an island. The people you associate with are going to determine where you are heading. Surround yourself with people who possess beliefs that lead to perpetual victimhood and you'll become a victim yourself. Associate with people that can't stand up for anything except a spineless tolerance that refuses to make any sort of value judgements and make the tough choice of saying 'A is simply better then B when it comes to accomplishing C" whether A is an idea, an action, or even a type of person and you will soon lose your own spine; being afraid to fight for anything for the fear that it'll make someone somewhere unhappy.

That said this was still a lesson in knowing when is the right time to drop RP knowledge. Naturally I'm a very open and sharing person when it comes to my beliefs and opinions but after this incident I've learned to be a lot more careful. In this case I didn't really lose much since I was already growing to dislike quite a few of the people in the group but it definitely was a warning - what if this has happened with people who I actually respected and who were in positions and had connections that could either help or hinder me in my personal goals? Be careful out there guys.

[robreke]

(05-10-2015 09:43 PM)Wutang Wrote:  

I actually had a falling out with a group of casual acquaintances when my association with RP was revealed among the group so there is a "danger" with it affecting your social bonds. I put danger in quotes because you really should see it as more of an act of filtering out who you associate with rather then any sort of great harm; the exception being if these are people who you work with or who can put a wrench in you advancing in your goals. If the only real harm is losing a few acquaintances or even friends then you should ask yourself if these are really the sort of people you want to associate with. Do you want to surround yourself with people that are apparently so mentally weak that mere words and difference of opinion can drive them into bouts of wailing and sobbing?

While we promote self-sufficiency and being beholden to no other man or system in our particular subculture we need to keep remembering that no man is an island. The people you associate with are going to determine where you are heading. Surround yourself with people who possess beliefs that lead to perpetual victimhood and you'll become a victim yourself. Associate with people that can't stand up for anything except a spineless tolerance that refuses to make any sort of value judgements and make the tough choice of saying 'A is simply better then B when it comes to accomplishing C" whether A is an idea, an action, or even a type of person and you will soon lose your own spine; being afraid to fight for anything for the fear that it'll make someone somewhere unhappy.

That said this was still a lesson in knowing when is the right time to drop RP knowledge. Naturally I'm a very open and sharing person when it comes to my beliefs and opinions but after this incident I've learned to be a lot more careful. In this case I didn't really lose much since I was already growing to dislike quite a few of the people in the group but it definitely was a warning - what if this has happened with people who I actually respected and who were in positions and had connections that could either help or hinder me in my personal goals? Be careful out there guys.

Interesting. How did this go down? Were you at a social gathering or something with a group of these people and you started espousing your RP beliefs? Or subtly bringing these things up in conversation and they had a bad reaction?

I'm interested how you revealed this and what they said to "ban" you from their group.

[WesternCancer]

(05-10-2015 03:51 PM)Edelweiss Wrote:  

It makes you more conscious of what is beneficial to spend your time on.
It makes you find the majority of the people follow the same patterns and you can exploit this to make your life better.
It makes the bulk of the women unworthy of your time, but you can see right away when you've met a special girl who is worth it.
It makes you able to understand and engineer workplace politics to your advantage .
It makes many jokes have a deeper irony that is even funnier .
It makes you question everything and strive to find answers.
It makes everyone untrustworthy, but you can easily adapt and influence.

Fixed that for ya

[Hades]

(05-10-2015 10:28 PM)WesternCancer Wrote:  

Fixed that for ya

Exactly, and I was going to say, why all the melodrama and negativity?
OP are you bemoaning an idyllic white house with a picket-fence-life lost since it's no longer the 50s?

[CodyB]

Side note - seems like Redpill has a fairly mainstream exposure in North America. Am I correct?

Fuck that if it's the case. Bullshit.

[Wutang]

(05-10-2015 10:17 PM)robreke Wrote:  

(05-10-2015 09:43 PM)Wutang Wrote:  

I actually had a falling out with a group of casual acquaintances when my association with RP was revealed among the group so there is a "danger" with it affecting your social bonds. I put danger in quotes because you really should see it as more of an act of filtering out who you associate with rather then any sort of great harm; the exception being if these are people who you work with or who can put a wrench in you advancing in your goals. If the only real harm is losing a few acquaintances or even friends then you should ask yourself if these are really the sort of people you want to associate with. Do you want to surround yourself with people that are apparently so mentally weak that mere words and difference of opinion can drive them into bouts of wailing and sobbing?

While we promote self-sufficiency and being beholden to no other man or system in our particular subculture we need to keep remembering that no man is an island. The people you associate with are going to determine where you are heading. Surround yourself with people who possess beliefs that lead to perpetual victimhood and you'll become a victim yourself. Associate with people that can't stand up for anything except a spineless tolerance that refuses to make any sort of value judgements and make the tough choice of saying 'A is simply better then B when it comes to accomplishing C" whether A is an idea, an action, or even a type of person and you will soon lose your own spine; being afraid to fight for anything for the fear that it'll make someone somewhere unhappy.

That said this was still a lesson in knowing when is the right time to drop RP knowledge. Naturally I'm a very open and sharing person when it comes to my beliefs and opinions but after this incident I've learned to be a lot more careful. In this case I didn't really lose much since I was already growing to dislike quite a few of the people in the group but it definitely was a warning - what if this has happened with people who I actually respected and who were in positions and had connections that could either help or hinder me in my personal goals? Be careful out there guys.

Interesting. How did this go down? Were you at a social gathering or something with a group of these people and you started espousing your RP beliefs? Or subtly bringing these things up in conversation and they had a bad reaction?

I'm interested how you revealed this and what they said to "ban" you from their group.

Sent you a PM

[Barron]

The only 'danger' the red pill presents is one's own inability to let go of previous beliefs when confronted with truth. The red pill makes you look in the mirror and come to terms with your own ego and the lies it convinced you of.
"You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it."
Our ego is what we're ultimately protecting. Most people don't have an identity beyond their ego, that's why most of the population can't handle the red pill. Unless you were born with red pill parents, being raised blue pill and transitioning to red (altering your very reality) will always be traumatic on some level

[kazz]

I was red pill before I even knew what the phrase was, I recognized that most people are just sheep from a young age, I have my opinions, however I do not push them onto others or even talk about them if I feel there will be no value in it, or if it is not appropriate, its not my job to change the world. I also hate people pushing their opinions onto me.I think because of this I can still relate to 'blue pill' or really a great variety of people and maintain friendships, however only close frindships with more red pill thinkers, I have certainly isolated myself from some close friends over the years.

[Edelweiss]

Pretty good answers here.

But I have the sense that my message was a bit misunderstood.

Like Kazz said, I was red pill before I knew what does it actually mean. I always felt a stranger among my peers and shook my head when I saw their day to day way of life.

But when I was introduced to the red pill, I UNDERSTOOD why I was seeing the world differently. And now I enjoy life even more. I enjoy the freedom of the mind and the power of the will the red pill thinking gives you. I feel alive.

And when I mentioned the world "danger" it's because I find it harder and harder to connect with people nowadays. Almost EVERYONE is mediocre at best. Being in the red pill is a lonely place. I enjoy and strive to become better in every aspect of life. But I'd like to promote this way of life. However I find it very hard to unplug other people. And it's frustrating.

And my biggest concern, as a consequence, is how to raise my kids into adopting the right way of life as opposed to blue pill, when everything they will encounter, starting from kindergarten, to school, to friends, to parents of friends, to TV, to university, to politics and so on...is blue pill to the bones.

[Wutang]

^ I actually had quite a few RP stances before ever hearing about the movement. I've always had a disdain for the "nice guy" types for who kissing ass and being an emotional tampon as their "game". Even back as a young guy and having no idea about game concepts I already knew much of being sold to us in the dating playbook was bunk. I had no idea about PUA and frankly was just plain clueless about what to do when it came to dating but I just instinctively knew that the typical boy meets girl stuff was bunk, at least in the modern age.

It was really discovering these forums and the rest of the Manosphere that provided a coherent framework for my various beliefs. It helped clarified a lot of ideas that I was previously only groping at and only had a fuzzy view of. Now I saw the connection between different ideas and how they connected to society at large. While sometimes I do feel the anger and negativity is a drain I can with 100% certainty say that discovering RP has been a net gain for me.

[Giovonny]

(05-10-2015 03:51 PM)Edelweiss Wrote:  

difficult

nasty

bitter

I don't LIKE what I see.

ugly

If you are "bitter" than you are still blue pill.

Being "bitter" means being uncomfortable with the reality of the situation.

Being "bitter" means being uncomfortable with the truth.

When you accept and embrace the truth you become red pill.

--

"Bitterness is the lowest sin
A bitter man rots from within
I've seen his smile
Yellow and brown
The bitterness has brought him down"

--

This is a "dupe" thread: (we've talked about this many times)

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-21184.html

[Socrates]

Bitterness and resentment are indeed quite negative and harmful, and while most people experience them at some point, it is wise not to dwell on such things for long periods as Giovonny stated. It is easy to fall into that trap and have a hard time fighting your way out. I don't know if it is a saying, or Proverb or what, but one line that has stayed with me about resentment* is: Harboring resentment (i think bitterness fits also) is like drinking poison and expecting the other person to die.

*Just googled it and see variations of it attributed to several people, including Nelson Mandela.

[Edelweiss]

(05-11-2015 02:08 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(05-10-2015 03:51 PM)Edelweiss Wrote:  

difficult

nasty

bitter

I don't LIKE what I see.

ugly

If you are "bitter" than you are still blue pill.

Being "bitter" means being uncomfortable with the reality of the situation.

Being "bitter" means being uncomfortable with the truth.

When you accept and embrace the truth you become red pill.

--

"Bitterness is the lowest sin
A bitter man rots from within
I've seen his smile
Yellow and brown
The bitterness has brought him down"

I think you missed my 2nd post where I explained in a clearer way what I meant.

My main concern is how to raise my future children to embrace the red pill in a blue pill infested environment.

[Socrates]

(05-11-2015 03:22 PM)Edelweiss Wrote:  

My main concern is how to raise my future children to embrace the red pill in a blue pill infested environment.

The only way to do that is to live red pill values consistently so they see it in action. Kids look right past whatever you say and zero in on what you do. Every day you wake up you teach your kids something about life, whether you mean to or not. It is a sobering realization.

[Phoenix]

Might add that 'red pill' just means 'enlightened'. Its not some secret we've stumbled upon, nor do we really need to be using sci-fi movie references as labels.

All we are doing is taking a more open-minded and rigorous approach to the natural law, its discovery, and its understanding, rather than simply accepting what we've been told by others. Thats just enlightenment.

[Fortis]

The main danger I have encountered is "showing my hand" too soon with some people, especially females I have professional relationships with. They'll say some shit, and i"ll give her and off-hand, "But you liked it right? Why else would you stay in the room as this guy kept trying to stick his tongue down your throat."

They usually look at me funny and start laughing at this point. I think this website and the accompanying literature has made me a bit more "brusque" with people, especially in situations where I see some sort of interesting social dynamics at play.

[Ingocnito]

The biggest danger of the red pill I believe is realizing that no matter how early, or late, or if at all, you accept it, the same family and friends who vilify you for speaking and practicing it, will have a conversion rate of <1% even if you do evangelize it.

People are so ego-protectant, and overall jealous due to it, that they can only learn from strangers, NOT friends.

"What are friends?
Friends are people that you think are your friends
But they really your enemies, with secret indentities
and disguises, to hide they true colors
So just when you think you close enough to be brothers
they wanna come back and cut your throat when you ain't lookin" < Eminem.

When I was banking good $$$ before terrorism and banking collapses took me under, I had scores of people who looked up to me. Well now some have surpassed me working their 9-5 slave positions. Others were shady fucks to begin with who scammed their way to a better status than me the wrong way. Their success is limited.

The real danger is discovering just how alone you are in this world, and that effect is exponentially magnified when you focus on each facet of your success.

The more women I fuck, the higher my notch count, the harder it is to want to make deep lasting connections, because I know how that invites manipulation into your life and I've learned to spot it from the first few incidences.

[Wutang]

(05-11-2015 05:13 PM)Fortis Wrote:  

The main danger I have encountered is "showing my hand" too soon with some people, especially females I have professional relationships with. They'll say some shit, and i"ll give her and off-hand, "But you liked it right? Why else would you stay in the room as this guy kept trying to stick his tongue down your throat."

They usually look at me funny and start laughing at this point. I think this website and the accompanying literature has made me a bit more "brusque" with people, especially in situations where I see some sort of interesting social dynamics at play.

It's true man. One thing that I would definitely be more careful about is mentioning up RP ideas in group situations. Even if someone is neutral or even slightly sympathetic to what you bring up, they might get swept up with group-think if there are enough people who end up getting their jimmies rustled. Keep these discussion one on one with people that you know aren't prone to being over emotional and that keep an open mind.