[Dantes]

As I mentioned in the Older Guy thread, my future trip reports will be geared for the older player.

Younger cats may find the information useful, but not so much for notches and Nightgame. My Nightgame days are behind me as I am not a big drinker. I don’t enjoy the late nights, loud music and atmosphere anymore.

I make my living by Daygame and when traveling I try to Pipeline as much as possible. I have been actively gaming for 20 plus years, before there was a term…we just called it picking up girls. I guess you can say I am burned out from Game, despite it being a kind of addiction.

I did a lot of Nightgame as a young man, but made a full transition to Daygame a few years ago. While I love a variety of young pussy, I but enjoy relationships and I am looking for a potential wife.

A word of caution: my impressions are only based on one week. I barely scratched the surface in experiencing Moscow and learning about the culture and women. This trip was a scouting mission, if you will to determine if I will invest a few months this summer in Russia.

Background:


First trip to Russia
2 trips to Kiev
No Russian language ability.
Traveling alone and put the trip together in less than 2 weeks before arrival.
Two Russian Notches in New York: 7.5 mini-relationship and 6, second date bang

Costs

Airfare: $380, Direct/Round-trip: NYC-Moscow
Visa (expedited): $460 including a letter of invitation
Accommodations: $55 per night for an apartment on Airbnb
Exchange rate: roughly 60 to 1 during my stay

Logistics

I stayed within a 5-minute walk from the Kievskaya metro stop and the European shopping mall. Kievskaya is 3 stops from the Red Square and within the first ring. The metro station is considered one of the most beautiful in Moscow. Kievskaya is one of the better malls in Moscow with a decent food court on the top floor. I was hoping there would be a gym, but no such luck. The mall is good for Daygame during after work hours and weekends with lots of beautiful women. I saw plenty of 8s and 9s.

Aside from being close to the metro and the mall, I didn’t find anything else appealing about this area. There was one small restaurant close by, but no other bars, cafes or coffee shops. If I return, I would prefer to stay closer to the center in a more happening place.

My apartment was a small one-bedroom but perfectly comfortable for a short stay. My airbnb host spoke English and was available via text if I had questions. I used the metro for traveling during the day and hailed taxis at night.

Moscow is a spread-out city, but the metro is convenient. I believe trains stop running at 1 am. It surprised me at how frequently the trains come. I didn’t wait more than 1 minute for so for a train.

There are plenty of taxis near the mall. Next trip, I will use one of the taxis apps as I had the worst luck hailing taxis. Three separate taxis drivers got lost driving me closer to the center, despite the use of GPS and Smartphone. I believe all were immigrant taxis drivers and not originally from Moscow. They seemed to be thrown off when my destination was a pedestrian only walkway.

Girls

It is well established that Russian girls are beauty, stylish and feminine. I saw nothing to contradict my preexisting idea. I was struck by their intelligence, femininity and conversational skills. Passionate and sensitive, I imagine falling in love with a Russian woman to be a special experience.

I rate girls in Moscow slightly below their counterparts in Kiev in terms of beauty. However, I found them to have slightly better bodies. With that said, the differences between the two is like splitting hairs. I enjoyed my dates more with Russian women as opposed to Ukrainians. No shit tests or inquisition as to why I was in Russia. My sense is that they are not desperate to leave their country, but they would if they found the right man.


The girls I met were feminine and wanted me to lead. I had the sense that they want a man to make decisions and they have a desire to put their trust in a man. Similar to my experience with Ukrainian women, they are clever. Cultured and sophisticated, they enjoy the finer things in life. If is common for a Russian woman to have learned an instrument or studied performing arts.

They value traveling to warm exotic places and European cities. If I had to guess, an ideal place to live would be Italy or Spain. They find romance languages to be beautiful. They enjoyed listening to my terrible Spanish and remarked how beautiful it was.

Girls exhibited a slight anti-American sentiment. They are angry about the sanctions and feel Russia is being treated unfairly. I found it best to politely change the conversation, stating that I am not political and I wish the situation to improve soon.

There didn’t seem to be any issue with a 10-15 year age difference. Most of the girls I met, complimented me on my Mediterranean looks and teased me that I was really from Spain or Italy and not the US. They appreciate style and I was complimented me on my blazer, suit and pocket square (Cobra you would be proud).

Dates:

Girl number 1
26
7.5
Lived in the US
Fluent English

I met in New York by Daygame a few months prior. We stayed in touch and she showed interest in me seeing her in Moscow. However, nothing resulted from our two dates. Next

Girl Number 2

23
8.5, possibly a 9
If you like tall blondes this would be close to ideal.
Fluent English

I met her pipelining prior to my trip.
First day resulted in a make out after lunch.
Second date: drinks and she agreed to come back to my apartment but changed her mind as we were hailing a cab.


Girl Number 3

24
7
Professional
English was mediocre. We used google translate on occasion

I met her pipelining prior to my trip.
I connected with her the best. She was fun, energetic, and sexy.
First date: she came back to my apartment but LMR kicked in. No Bang and she slept over.
Second date: I met up with her and her roommate (gay guy) for a drink. The conditions were less than ideal, but I wanted to see her as I knew she was leaving for the upcoming weekend. She apologized for not being able to come back to my apartment, as she didn’t want to look like a slut in front of her roommate

Girl 4

28
6
Minimal English

I met her pipelining
She has potential if her acne cleared up and she had better fashion sense.
She was much more interested in me than I in her. I kept the meeting short and made an excuse after an hour.

Girl 5

35
6.75
35
Fluent English

I met her pipelining
She kept her looks considering her age and also having a child. We met for coffee. She contacted me later that evening but I made plans with Girl number 3.


•All of these girls except Girl 4 left for the weekend as there was a holiday.


Daygame


Daygame is my strong point but I put most of my energy into the girls I met online due to efficiency for a short trip. I managed ten or so approaches in the Mall and metro which resulted in two numbers , but not enough time to set up dates. Finding English-speaking girls to approach or even ask directions was a crap- shoot. However, with too few approaches, I can’t draw any conclusions on Daygame or English levels.



Miscellaneous

Moscow is still an expensive city despite the devaluation of the Ruble. However, I found drinks and food prices reasonable. I had the sense that I was seeing Moscow on a discount considering the economics and it being in February.

This exploratory trip was good enough to consider Moscow as a contender for a two- month stay in the summer. I can only imagine the talent in warmer weather.

There is potential if looking for a 10-15 years younger woman, who will value you as a man and not just a ticket to a better life. The girls I met seemed comfortable with the age difference, but most thought I looked younger than my age.

I am well traveled, but I felt challenged traveling to Moscow alone in the winter without Russian ability. The trip would have been easier with a friend or wing. The metro becomes easier with practice.

This trip was not only about girls. I spent a lot of time sightseeing as I have an interest in Russian and World War II history.

I did not observe mixed race couples.

I did observe couples of 20 years plus age difference.

I saw one 10, flawless in an expensive restaurant.

The girls can drink. Most of them preferred to drink wine. I got the impression they considered Vodka a lower class drink.

I kept a low profile and was cautious. When asked by a stranger as to my origin, I replied Canada.

The city is clean and I didn’t have concerns regarding safety.

Girls were punctual for dates, which is a welcomed departure for dealing with Latinas the last few years.

[rishboy77]

Kudo's for a honest report. Considering you only there a week you were able to see quite a few women.

[Nascimento]

Great report!

[psyrus]

Thank you for the data sheet.

Question about your pipeline method. Did you use your real age on the dating sites? I'm also around the same age, but could pass for younger. Which sites did you use? Cupid and Wamba?

[LINUX]

I'm curious on what the people in Moscow think about Boris Nemtsov being shot. I read something this morning on thousands of people marching down the streets of Moscow. Did you see this?

[TripleG]

@Dantes, I know you mentioned not doing night life anymore but there must have been at least a lounge/club or two you were able to squeeze in during your trip. Any favorites?

[Dantes]

(03-01-2015 08:54 PM)psyrus Wrote:  

Thank you for the data sheet.

Question about your pipeline method. Did you use your real age on the dating sites? I'm also around the same age, but could pass for younger. Which sites did you use? Cupid and Wamba?

I used my real age for Cupid. I am not sure Cupid is the best site though. There are a ton or scammers and fake profiles. There seem to be some cool girls, but you need a lot of patience weeding through the bogus profiles.

[Dantes]

(03-01-2015 09:01 PM)LINUX Wrote:  

I'm curious on what the people in Moscow think about Boris Nemtsov being shot. I read something this morning on thousands of people marching down the streets of Moscow. Did you see this?

LINUX,

I am curious too, but I returned home prior to this event.

[Dantes]

(03-01-2015 09:25 PM)TripleG Wrote:  

@Dantes, I know you mentioned not doing night life anymore but there must have been at least a lounge/club or two you were able to squeeze in during your trip. Any favorites?

It is true I am not crazy about Nightlife, but I will still do some when traveling. However, this trip I didn't do any. I did a lot of sightseeing during the day and had dates at night. If I return for a longer stay, I will for sure check out the nightlife. Even though it isn't my cup of tea, I am curious and would likely invest some time with Nightgame in Moscow when I have more time.

One of my dates was at Papas Bar during the week. It was a slow night, not much talent.

Cuba Libre: ditto

Siberia: expensive but was only in there for a few drinks. This is where I saw the 10.

[theVampire]

Do you see Moscow superior to Kiev in any way as far as gaming 8+'s. Did you see 8+ more often in Moscow? How saturated was that shopping mall?

[Carlos100]

Excellent trip report. Really good detail and information. Did you use any routines (question game, The Cube, etc) on your dates?

[reco2100]

Awesome report. Being me of those older guys and having similar physical stats I read every word with great interest. Moscow is definetly on my bucket list.

[warder]

Has anyone tried to use a US phone in Moscow?

I've got a Verizon iPhone 6 and am expecting to be able to get a sim in Russia to use in that phone. Is that what others have done?

[samsamsam]

^^ I didn't think verizon Iphone 6 had sim cards.

Edit: I guess I was wrong. Thanks for sharing that info!

http://www.verizonwireless.com/support/k...se-115390/

[Menace]

Using unlocked US phone in Russia is no problem. You can get a sim there.

[TripleG]

T-Mobile Simple Choice Plan with unlimited international data and text should also work well there since Russia is on the list of supported countries. Also, whatsapp and Viper can be used for most communications.

[Dantes]

(03-31-2015 08:32 PM)warder Wrote:  

Has anyone tried to use a US phone in Moscow?

I've got a Verizon iPhone 6 and am expecting to be able to get a sim in Russia to use in that phone. Is that what others have done?

I used an unlocked phone if I needed to make local calls. The cost was reasonable. Most people use Viber and Whats app.

[JohnDGregory]

Good report. The name of that mall is actually "Evropeiski" (European).
Kievskaya is just the name of its Train and Metro station. I am in Moscow now. I will report soon about my experience. Cheers.

[JohnDGregory]

" I did not observe mixed race couples. "
Well actually there are many interracial couples around. But first you must define what is an interracial couple in the eyes of a Russian.
Russia is a multi-ethnical country but it has other understanding of "race" than US Americans.
USA: Caucasian = "white" person
Russia: Caucasian = "black" person (someone who comes from that Region we call Caucasus, for example Azerbaijan or Georgia), specially if this specific person is Muslim.
Only the European Russians (like Putin) are considered "white Russians" per se.
The other day I was in a place called Soho Rooms and I saw many wealthy "Caucasian" (= not white) men with blondinkas, so these were "mixed race couples" in the eyes of the Russian society.
Recently talked with a student from Cuba who is quite dark skinned (but not really "black"), he confirmed to me that the Russians (specially the women) treat him even better than they treat Asian Russians or Caucasian Russians, despite of his obvious skin color.

[Akula]

(04-02-2015 05:50 PM)JohnDGregory Wrote:  

" I did not observe mixed race couples. "
Well actually there are many interracial couples around. But first you must define what is an interracial couple in the eyes of a Russian.
Russia is a multi-ethnical country but it has other understanding of "race" than US Americans.
USA: Caucasian = "white" person
Russia: Caucasian = "black" person (someone who comes from that Region we call Caucasus, for example Azerbaijan or Georgia), specially if this specific person is Muslim.
Only the European Russians (like Putin) are considered "white Russians" per se.
The other day I was in a place called Soho Rooms and I saw many wealthy "Caucasian" (= not white) men with blondinkas, so these were "mixed race couples" in the eyes of the Russian society.
Recently talked with a student from Cuba who is quite dark skinned (but not really "black"), he confirmed to me that the Russians (specially the women) treat him even better than they treat Asian Russians or Caucasian Russians, despite of his obvious skin color.

For the record Soho Rooms is ground zero for sponsor-seeking attractive women & the Russian version of club rats. I'll admit that place is loaded with smokeshows but most of them are either looking for (or with) sponsors or are emi-pros from what I've seen and experienced. Not really a place where you're seeing the typical or average Russian girls.

[JohnDGregory]

(04-03-2015 04:45 AM)Akula Wrote:  

For the record Soho Rooms is ground zero for sponsor-seeking attractive women & the Russian version of club rats.

I couldn't agree more with you. I was really disappointed after going there. A lot of golddigging going on. There are however, many better places in Moscow for finding the authentic dewushki.

[chochemonger1]

From all the reports I have been reading, it doesnt seems like any city in Russia, could beat Kiev or Odessa. April 22, I start my Eastern European return for 3 months. First Warsaw, then Kiev....and from there I dont know where.

[Akula]

(04-03-2015 09:00 PM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

From all the reports I have been reading, it doesnt seems like any city in Russia, could beat Kiev or Odessa. April 22, I start my Eastern European return for 3 months. First Warsaw, then Kiev....and from there I dont know where.

I prefer Moscow and think it's better than Kiev but it's a close call. I don't know Odessa but it's certainly very good in the late summer months and where lots of Kiev girls go now that Crimea is not that popular.

Big picture there are just more hotties in Moscow bc it's a city of over 15 million versus Kiev at only 4 million. Girls tend to be a bit more sophisticated in Moscow too and of course there is more wealth (which is a +/- with a hell of a great middle tier but also more gold diggers and sponsor seekers so buyer beware).

You are not going to be doing too many one night stands in either Moscow or Kiev but Moscow would be the easier place to do it given that it has bigger clubs and more of a "party all night" attitude (on weekends only though).

Additionally there is a much bigger ethnic mix in Moscow (got my Kazakh and Tartar flags there).

Keep in mind that a big reason Moscow was not so popular in the past was the exorbitant cost of living there versus Kiev or Poland or wherever (plus the visa issue as one needed to plan that in advance thus there are never any "spur of the moment" gaming trips there). Moscow is much cheaper now so way more accessible to gamers.

I generally prefer Russian women too they are just more fun and not saddled with the sex tourist thing like in Kiev and sometimes Poland (the Russian visa requirement is a big thing that prevents this). Ukrainian girls are know to be a little more "hot-blooded" and like drama a bit more than Russians (well that's what this woman from Kiev told me the other day ).

But its not night and day and Ukrainian women are great too so you can't really go wrong either way. From Slubu and other guy's posts I'd say that some of the 2nd tier Russian cities (and Ukrainian cities) would be really good too especially the further east you go (more wow factor for you and less foreign competition duh). I don't know Poland at all.

[fucksong]

@Dantes - Thanks for the great report. Gave you a +1.

I'm slightly younger than you (not by much) and am also an avid day game connoisseur. I'm also a big fan of Manhattan girls vs California girls. How would you compare the girls of Moscow to Manhattan overall?

I've also only been to NY a few times but my favorite spots were Soho, Union Square and Times Square for the traffic and density. Would you say that the area you stayed in was the Moscow equivalent? If not, which areas do you think would be ideal for us daygamers? In addition, since you mentioned you also stated in Kiev, which areas do you recommend for day game there? If you don't want a bunch of random guys messing it up, I can PM you for details as I can understand if you want to keep those pots of golds to yourself haha.

Lastly, not sure of your specific style of daygame, but I often try to push for instadates (and in past have a few daytime pulls back to my pad). Do you think there are good places in both Moscow and Kiev that are conducive to this strategy?

Oh, how could I forget most important question? Did you find the girls in both Kiev and Moscow dressed sexy ala miniskirts/booty shorts and high heels?
Thanks in advance. Privet

[JohnDGregory]

My favorite targets are young non Muscovites Russian tourists (not western tourists, but of course, this is just my taste. A friend of mine got one Spanish girl and then one Brit here, thats fine for him, but then I asked myself, why did he come to Moscow in the first place). Russians visiting their beautiful capital, just the best investment, that's why learning Russian is a must for anyone interested in a long term campaign in mother Russia. Plus, Muscovite girls are IMO harder to get than girls from the regions. Maybe because Muscovites already know too many western players/expats chasing around.
Old and new Arbat are, meanwhile, just too "famous" for daygaming (specially the tourist mile of old Arbat), too many thirsty guys there, specially in the summer.
But after investing considerable amount of infield research, I finally have found two infallible great hotspots for daytime warfare activities)) But of course it may vary according to your type of game/approach. Feel free to pm me on this. Udachi!