Quote: (02-10-2015 11:29 PM)Lion of Judah Wrote:
I think the problem with a guy like this has nothing to do with Game. First off, I believe Game will only make a difference for 5-10% of men out there- men who are highly motivated, into self-improvement, and without severe mental problems or defects. And as it has been pointed out by men in this thread, a lot of guys with these qualities still refuse to take the red-pill for whatever reason (it doesn't go with how their brain is hard-wired).
This dude had issues that were much more profound than a lack of success with (white) women: no one with a cushy job as a food blogger in one the best cities in the world should be whining about how unhappy they are unless there is something seriously fucked up in their head. He had typical first-world problems, and I'm guessing it really doesn't matter how good his life was, he would've figured out how to be unhappy no matter what.
This story and the way people have responded reminds me of the Elliot Rodger debacle. People claimed that only if he had taken the "red-pill" he would have been oriented towards a path of success. Which doesn't take into account how "off" he truly was compared to the norm. And it's hard to tell exactly what triggered his violence, despite people linking it to his rejection by women. This is all unfortunate but true.
First off, I appreciate the respectful way that you've disagreed with some of the membership here. Unless Roosh or Tuth wish to say otherwise, I think that how you've done it is the right way to do so.
Secondly, while I find your well thought out point worth discussing, I don't agree with you either.
I think that game at it's fullest is men being honest, dignified men. Polite, but not push overs.
In a world where men are men and women are women, men behaving with gameness will seem very natural. In a world where women have begun to insist on wearing the pants, for men to be men often means competing head on with women in often very antagonistic ways.
Nowadays, in the Western world, you can't even say anything but positive things about women if you don't want to be accused of all sorts of things.
This is because suggesting that women are men are not identical, is a real attack on the goals of women who wish to be men (while retaining all the special advantages of being women).
In a world where men were men and women were women, observations about women, if made in earnest, would not upset anyone. I make observations about women to women all the time in China and no one gets hoping mad...the women tend to agree with and bolster my comments. If I said anything even remotely similar in the West, I would get stomped on.
The decent men of the past couple generations, not wanting to engage in head on warfare with women, were increasingly pushed into more beta behaviour.
Today, game is simple learning to be confident, polite men again, in a world where all of the men who should have been male role models to us, have been pushed into beta, subservient roles that no man should emulate.
Thus, I believe that game is for every man, with and without drive, because game should come naturally to men with time.
If we want to only take about game learned from hundreds of approaches, then, yes, you'll need drive and determination and only a small percentage of men are going to be able to pull that off.
But if we are talking about game as a natural state of men, as I believe that it is, it is applicable to all men.
In a world where women are comfortably women, those women will be attracted to men who are comfortably men.