[Brazilianguy]

Back in the pre-facebook era (before 2010 here in Brazil), it´s generally agreed that fucking women was a lot more simple, as well as a hell of a lot easier.

You would cold approach, run comfort and make out. If all went well and you kept your frame of superiority, it would be a matter of time before sex.

You would wait a couple of days before calling the girl to maintain an aura of mystery and unavailability, and then set up a date. Typically, the bang would happen in the 2nd or 3rd encounter (this with a quality girl).
Flaking was very rare.

Fast forward to the present day: women hold most if not all the cards in the mating game. It´s undeniable that they have more power than us presently, in my opinion precisely because of the internet.
An average woman will receive hundreds of offers from men in dating and social networking sites, while an attractive man will either get none at all or a few from women way below him in value.
This spills onto real life and hurts real world game: night game is dead and day game still works, but isn´t what it used to be.

Paradoxically, women will bitch and moan about the lack of men (even though they get approached many times daily, mostly in the virtual world).
You look around and you see your many single friends who are men of value and have few to no sexual options and you wonder what the hell women are complaining about.

The truth of the matter is that the perceived value of men is currently below women´s (please note it´s not the real value that is in question) simply because we´re too available. Our price is, therefore low.
It really seems to be a matter of supply and demand, as the sex market has been artificially skewed in women´s favour by social media.
The sexual marketplace has been heavily regulated and isn´t following the natural order of the free market economy.
When women complain there are no good men left what they mean is that they aren´t being hit on by men they consider to be superior to them.

In my personal life, even though my game is miles ahead of what it was in 2010, I don´t get laid nearly as much, and the quality of women I pick up has plummeted.
I´ve observed this is also the case with many other guys.
I have friends who are in their 30s, fit and financially independent yet are picking up women in their 40s.

Yes, I´ve tried tinder and online dating and in my opinion it´s very hit and miss and the level of women is way below the ones I can get with real life game.
Facebook is another game killer.

As to whatsapp and other instant messaging apps, I´ve observed that if I meet a girl in real life and I´m able to ignite some attraction, once I give her my number and we start communicating via whatsapp I will inevitably lose her.
Presumably, in her mind I am placed in the pile of idiots who are her online suitors.

I´ve stopped using facebook for a year and now I´m thinking about ditching tinder and whatsapp. In short, I´ll be unavailable online and will try make all interaction with women happen solely in person or by phone.

I´d like to know the thoughts and opinions of more experienced members who are sincere in their intention to help their fellow men.

[Foolsgo1d]

True words, but you're forgetting those times when you were around and some girl was eye fucking you which led to fucking her later.

I don't care how good Tinder is, it does not give the raw sexual prowess which is present when two people see each other and get along. Its fun, exciting and worth while but Tinder has its place.

[DumbfromBirth]

Online dating/messaging has made it easier for the pussy men to speak to girls. If these Apps did not exist? These men would still be pussies. If anything I believe the apps help them as maybe an ounce of confidence can be gained from them. While the rush feeling of approaching that beauty you just walked past in the street is an amazing feeling, most guys would not ever even think about doing this as its deemed outside social reality and takes balls.

But if you live in a city where Tinder is retarded and just destroys your confidence when no girls swipe you, then its best to delete the app and venture out into the real world and become a man.

[UroboricForms]

I have no smartphone and consequently no Tinder or Whatsapp, Kick or whatever the fuck else. Its always a good laugh telling one of those female smartphone obsessed drones that "I don't do that bullshit" if they ask for my whatsapp.

[Brazilianguy]

My point is that social media/online dating has made women a lot choosier because it gives them access to a large supply of men with no effort on their part (the women don´t have to be pretty or pleasant).

Therefore, even if you´re a high value man, you will feel the impact.

An analogy would be like to trying to find a good job in a shitty economy (you probably won´t do well even if you have a good education) or finding a good and cheap house during the housing bubble (when prices are sky high).

While we may not, as individuals, be able to change the environment, we can make an effort to do our best.
These days, when it comes to dating, I wonder if not being available on social media of any kind would act as a value booster for a man.

[tallandblonde]

You make some interesting points, but I still think that the guys that meet a girl via day/night game are pushed to the front of the line ahead of the 50 betas that she's talking to on Tinder. This is why it's important to have good game. By having the balls to approach, you are setting yourself apart from the 90+% of guys that don't.

I'm not saying Tinder is useless either. I think it has it's place, and that is as a complement to your day/night/social circle game. Nothing more. It's not something that you can depend on, but it's useful. This is especially the case while traveling.

I actually have been to Brazil and the one bang I got there was through Tinder. I didn't put an extraordinary amount of effort into it either.

[Brazilianguy]

(01-12-2015 11:30 AM)tallandblonde Wrote:  

You make some interesting points, but I still think that the guys that meet a girl via day/night game are pushed to the front of the line ahead of the 50 betas that she's talking to on Tinder. This is why it's important to have good game. By having the balls to approach, you are setting yourself apart from the 90+% of guys that don't.

I'm not saying Tinder is useless either. I think it has it's place, and that is as a complement to your day/night/social circle game. Nothing more. It's not something that you can depend on, but it's useful. This is especially the case while traveling.

I actually have been to Brazil and the one bang I got there was through Tinder. I didn't put an extraordinary amount of effort into it either.

A bit about me: I generally have no problem cold approaching and making out.
As to personal value and inner game, I am financially independent (not rich, but living alone, debt free and having investments, which is a quite a feat in the current shitty Brazilian economy) with a respectable job, physically very fit, reasonably well travelled and maintaining frequent reading habits for personal cultivation.

My problem lies in getting the bang: I can approach, create attraction and make out with hot girls, but I lose the game as soon as they start communicating with me through whatsapp.
In the past 3 weeks I must have picked up about 8 girls, but couldn´t get the bang.

My target group is young girls (18-25) with hot bodies.
Honestly, I am 33 years of age and have done a fair bit of self improvement, so I don´t waste my time on women who don´t interest me.
It may come off as arrogant, but I´d rather pay a prostitute than put effort into seducing women older than 30 or who don´t pass my boner test.

I´m thinking whatsapp is hurting my game severely, as I´d rather phone the women and set the date with no wasted time.
My impression is that the fact they can see my picture in the whatsapp profile (and that I´ll reply to them in a few hours time) gives them the impression that I´m constantly available, which is an attraction killer.

[heavy]

(01-12-2015 06:45 AM)Brazilianguy Wrote:  

Back in the pre-facebook era (before 2010 here in Brazil), it´s generally agreed that fucking women was a lot more simple, as well as a hell of a lot easier.

You would cold approach, run comfort and make out. If all went well and you kept your frame of superiority, it would be a matter of time before sex.

You would wait a couple of days before calling the girl to maintain an aura of mystery and unavailability, and then set up a date. Typically, the bang would happen in the 2nd or 3rd encounter (this with a quality girl).
Flaking was very rare.

Fast forward to the present day: women hold most if not all the cards in the mating game. It´s undeniable that they have more power than us presently, in my opinion precisely because of the internet.

They always will own the sexual market. That and social pressures. Our game is everything else.

It's still nice to know we win the long-term game. I pity my chic-friend peers, turning 30 and knowing their wombs are drying up.

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An average woman will receive hundreds of offers from men in dating and social networking sites, while an attractive man will either get none at all or a few from women way below him in value.
This spills onto real life and hurts real world game: night game is dead and day game still works, but isn´t what it used to be.

Paradoxically, women will bitch and moan about the lack of men (even though they get approached many times daily, mostly in the virtual world).
You look around and you see your many single friends who are men of value and have few to no sexual options and you wonder what the hell women are complaining about.

This...always cracks me up. Happens all the time in my social circles. I just chuckle in my mind.

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The truth of the matter is that the perceived value of men is currently below women´s (please note it´s not the real value that is in question) simply because we´re too available. Our price is, therefore low.
It really seems to be a matter of supply and demand, as the sex market has been artificially skewed in women´s favour by social media.
The sexual marketplace has been heavily regulated and isn´t following the natural order of the free market economy.
When women complain there are no good men left what they mean is that they aren´t being hit on by men they consider to be superior to them.

In my personal life, even though my game is miles ahead of what it was in 2010, I don´t get laid nearly as much, and the quality of women I pick up has plummeted.
I´ve observed this is also the case with many other guys.
I have friends who are in their 30s, fit and financially independent yet are picking up women in their 40s.

Interesting. I've only been "awake" for the last 3 years, post- full social media saturation.

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Yes, I´ve tried tinder and online dating and in my opinion it´s very hit and miss and the level of women is way below the ones I can get with real life game.
Facebook is another game killer.

Not denying the truth here. Hot single chics don't go on Tinder and hope for Mr Right. That said, ya gotta just play the game. Get good pics. A little photoshop if necessary to beef up your muscles (I suggest this to the point of having plausible deniability...don't buff the pic too much).

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As to whatsapp and other instant messaging apps, I´ve observed that if I meet a girl in real life and I´m able to ignite some attraction, once I give her my number and we start communicating via whatsapp I will inevitably lose her.
Presumably, in her mind I am placed in the pile of idiots who are her online suitors.

Good point. I notice this with Tinder. Generally speaking, only swipe when you have time to meet up in a couple days. Once matched, you have maybe a week. Once you exchange messages, you have a few days. Again, generally speaking.

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I´ve stopped using facebook for a year and now I´m thinking about ditching tinder and whatsapp. In short, I´ll be unavailable online and will try make all interaction with women happen solely in person or by phone.

I´d like to know the thoughts and opinions of more experienced members who are sincere in their intention to help their fellow men.

Facebook is depressing (scientifically studied). Facebook is attention-whoring. Facebook isn't value-added at all. That said, I still look at it, though not as much as I used to.

[RockHard]

Excellent post brazilianguy. It's like a little bit of 21st century archaeology, going to a place that's technologically behind the curve. The answer is to not be so thirsty, but that's hard to do when so many chumps are out there pounding the pavement. The few actual elite guys out there, top 10% of looks, or guys who actually have game and are just using the technology benefit massively because they have the goods to back it up. I believe that you're on the right track: focus on in person interactions. The problem becomes logistics - once you let the girl go she's back in the world of virtual beta orbiters and wannabes. It sucks but I think that online is a losing game for most guys - all you're doing is feeding the insatiable validation beast.

(01-12-2015 10:46 AM)DumbfromBirth Wrote:  

Online dating/messaging has made it easier for the pussy men to speak to girls. If these Apps did not exist? These men would still be pussies. If anything I believe the apps help them as maybe an ounce of confidence can be gained from them.

Very true. It's true in all areas. Look at criminal activity. It used to be to steal from someone you had to hold them up on the street or break into their house. Now you never have to leave your own house. The risk is much lower, the investment is only time and not in actual physical peril.

Online is ok to an extent but I remember what David DeAngelo said a long time ago - online is like a "woman simulator". Like playing Call of Duty will give you the idea of being a soldier, but actually going into battle is a completely different thing. I think that a lot of the frustration women feel is that a lot of chumps have gotten good at online game but when it comes to meeting in person they fall way short. They've either lied ridiculously about their appearance or they just have no personal presence. Any woman who's done online dating for a little while ends up completely jaded.

[Bullitt]

Hey Brazilianguy,

I agree with all of your observations about the negative impact (for men) technology has on the dating market, however, I don't necessarily think opting out will make a positive difference for you. Unfortunately, just because you decide to live in the pre-smartphone age, women won't. They will still rely on their smartphones and dating apps to screen potential suitors, and as important as being different than the hordes of thirsty beats is, if she can't check you out from the safety of her phone first, you essentially won't even exist to her (or she'll be very wary of you). So, for example, if you try to call to arrange a date to not waste any time bullshitting via text, a women will probably not be receptive to that (and possibly even put off), as she is so attuned to the typical texting non-human interaction. In other words, it won't be refreshing to her, it will just be unusual and possibly "creepy".

Again, just my gut feeling, and I hope I'm wrong. Clearly all men suffer from the advantage technology bestows upon women's dating market options and barring some apocalyptic reset button that wipes the slate clean, I wish we could all go back to a more natural state of humanity.

[The_CEO]

I would encourage you to do what is best for your own peace of mind.

I would also suggest that you take a look at Kaotic's review of his game post.
One thing that struck me is all the stuff he's working (online and "real life")... and it produces results for him.

I sympathize...In the OKC thread, Tuthmosis describes how dating sites and apps can be major time blackholes if you're not careful and I agree with that (stressing about what photo to upload, details of the profile, registering, and then scouring for matches).

If you're in it though, seems to make sense to work all angles.

[Advent Persona]

(01-12-2015 11:48 AM)Brazilianguy Wrote:  

(01-12-2015 11:30 AM)tallandblonde Wrote:  

You make some interesting points, but I still think that the guys that meet a girl via day/night game are pushed to the front of the line ahead of the 50 betas that she's talking to on Tinder. This is why it's important to have good game. By having the balls to approach, you are setting yourself apart from the 90+% of guys that don't.

I'm not saying Tinder is useless either. I think it has it's place, and that is as a complement to your day/night/social circle game. Nothing more. It's not something that you can depend on, but it's useful. This is especially the case while traveling.

I actually have been to Brazil and the one bang I got there was through Tinder. I didn't put an extraordinary amount of effort into it either.

A bit about me: I generally have no problem cold approaching and making out.
As to personal value and inner game, I am financially independent (not rich, but living alone, debt free and having investments, which is a quite a feat in the current shitty Brazilian economy) with a respectable job, physically very fit, reasonably well travelled and maintaining frequent reading habits for personal cultivation.

My problem lies in getting the bang: I can approach, create attraction and make out with hot girls, but I lose the game as soon as they start communicating with me through whatsapp.
In the past 3 weeks I must have picked up about 8 girls, but couldn´t get the bang.

My target group is young girls (18-25) with hot bodies.
Honestly, I am 33 years of age and have done a fair bit of self improvement, so I don´t waste my time on women who don´t interest me.
It may come off as arrogant, but I´d rather pay a prostitute than put effort into seducing women older than 30 or who don´t pass my boner test.

I´m thinking whatsapp is hurting my game severely, as I´d rather phone the women and set the date with no wasted time.
My impression is that the fact they can see my picture in the whatsapp profile (and that I´ll reply to them in a few hours time) gives them the impression that I´m constantly available, which is an attraction killer.

Have you ever heard the saying "old school is the best school" ? Daygame, phonecalls, social circle and plain old approaching will always be superior to online game and text. This is where the game shifs back into your favor, as 80% of guys and 99% of her online orbiters do not know how to communicate with women. Most men do not have the proper frame, personality and even vocal skills to turn a woman on in person. Keep all your game offline. Use text only to set up logistics.

[tallandblonde]

(01-12-2015 11:48 AM)Brazilianguy Wrote:  

(01-12-2015 11:30 AM)tallandblonde Wrote:  

You make some interesting points, but I still think that the guys that meet a girl via day/night game are pushed to the front of the line ahead of the 50 betas that she's talking to on Tinder. This is why it's important to have good game. By having the balls to approach, you are setting yourself apart from the 90+% of guys that don't.

I'm not saying Tinder is useless either. I think it has it's place, and that is as a complement to your day/night/social circle game. Nothing more. It's not something that you can depend on, but it's useful. This is especially the case while traveling.

I actually have been to Brazil and the one bang I got there was through Tinder. I didn't put an extraordinary amount of effort into it either.

A bit about me: I generally have no problem cold approaching and making out.
As to personal value and inner game, I am financially independent (not rich, but living alone, debt free and having investments, which is a quite a feat in the current shitty Brazilian economy) with a respectable job, physically very fit, reasonably well travelled and maintaining frequent reading habits for personal cultivation.

My problem lies in getting the bang: I can approach, create attraction and make out with hot girls, but I lose the game as soon as they start communicating with me through whatsapp.
In the past 3 weeks I must have picked up about 8 girls, but couldn´t get the bang.

My target group is young girls (18-25) with hot bodies.
Honestly, I am 33 years of age and have done a fair bit of self improvement, so I don´t waste my time on women who don´t interest me.
It may come off as arrogant, but I´d rather pay a prostitute than put effort into seducing women older than 30 or who don´t pass my boner test.

I´m thinking whatsapp is hurting my game severely, as I´d rather phone the women and set the date with no wasted time.
My impression is that the fact they can see my picture in the whatsapp profile (and that I´ll reply to them in a few hours time) gives them the impression that I´m constantly available, which is an attraction killer.

I don't see the issue in replying to a message in a couple hours. If you're not replying instantly, then you aren't constantly available and that will be clear to them. The truth is that a lot of guys will get overly chatty over text conversations, and eventually it fizzles out with the girl having lost all attraction. That's the mistake that can be made through whatsapp or SMS messages. Not saying that this is what you're doing, but keep that in mind.

You're gaming younger girls, so realize that they like to text and that is simply just what girls that age who grew up with cell phones like to do. This doesn't mean that it's a good idea to message them all day and be available for their attention whoring. But just using it to set up plans to later bang them? I don't see the issue.

[Noir]

My two cents.

A lot of factors weigh in here as to why social media presence can assist you but before we get into that...

Social media essentially is a human stock market. Everybody's shares have gone public and people have assigned values. This is predetermined.

I shall not go into Tinder as there is plenty of value on this forum.

Now.

Factor 1: Appealing to certain age groups.

Regrettably, your age group will come with certain expectations of social media usage.
My age group 18-25, comes with a pre-requisite of social media. I understand a lot of the older guys keeping it old school however you gotta target your demographic. This applies for girls I am interested in and girls who are interested in me. If you aren't willing to play the social media game, they will just find someone else who will.

How will she show you to her friends whenever they ask her?
How will she get validation when you are not around?
How will she feel (falsely, if your game is tight) that she can keep an eye on you?

The list goes on and on.


Factor 2: Pre-selection (most important in my opinion).

Understand that this is all about image towards others. Understand the shallowness of society (men have an avenue to be shallow and be chastised publicly & woman have a fountain of validation).

Once you can accept this then you can proceed.

Therefore,

a) you can manipulate social media to make you look cooler than you are (80% of users)

b) you can use it to a minimum and purely for logistics (20% of users)

c) you can combine this (what I try to do and works for me).


Manipulation:

- I only authorize pictures that will make me look good and add value.

- I will post on instagram and facebook, cool stuff from my life (i.e. I DJ, I travel etc.) but not spam; understand that these are highlight reels, so use accordingly.

- I allow girls to post on my wall and recognize their attention 'requests' and we mutually harvest each other's value.

- I post things during 'peak hours' should I want to narcissictically increase my popularity. People observe your popularity and ping off it. Use it.

- Having hot girls comment on your pics leads to more hot girls commenting on your pics. Silly, but true.

Minimization:

- I abstain from commenting on other peoples photos apart from my close friends.

- I solely message people about serious stuff.

- I will only like 90% of stuff and only if it is relevant.

- I keep my usage to maximum 1 hour per day if even that.

- I have my friends list hidden and my pictures private, you have to add me.

- I never add girls on facebook, only WhatsApp (numbers) but I will let them add me and never accept immediately (3-4 days and let the hamster spin if she sees activity during that period after accepting).

I am sure you guys can come up with more examples about these two categories, or even more categories for arguments sake. This forum is brimming with guys who know whats up.


Factor 3: Flirting and being in their mind when absent

A woman falls in love with a man during his absence.

I acknowledge that a lot of playas on this forum use such mediums solely for logistics.

This works but is not the most effective, in my situation.

I need to flirt with these girls and I need to set up fantasies and stuff. You gotta keep the 'buying temperature' high and make her feel like this isn't just a transaction (from my experience this happens usually in the beginning and later on you end up chatting out of enjoyment).

Facebook: pictures and intermittent messaging does the job

WhatsApp: flirting, banter and setting up roleplays/fantasies/bubbles of one-ness.

With both of these, you should be using your inboxes to their capacity and sending over pics and getting things heated.

My current inbox and you can bet your ass it's mainly girls (globally moreso as locals are on WhatsApp)



Facebook is macro + micro (appeal to everyone and allow to flirt specifically) and WhatsApp is purely micro (appeal to specifics and tamper with attention levels).

Bonus of these is being able to see when you read the message and you can use this for push/pull; please note, its more delicate than real life and I implement more 'pull' over social media.

Why?

Be likable on public forums.

Facebook more-so than WhatsApp.


Factor 4: 'Watering the plants'

I travel a reasonable amount and I have moved between 3 different countries over the past few years. I still got 'hoes in different area codes'. I use facebook and WhatsApp to keep in touch with girls who aren't within a reasonable proximity.

When I am travelling, I will take a pic of something cool of what I am doing and send it to them and request a selfie of what they are doing.

I use facebook for the more macro and shit that I actually think is legitimate and appeals to a larger audience (to include family and general peeps I have)

I use WhatsApp for more specified stuff such as inside jokes, passing a sex shop and drawing her in, anything that we can relate to.

You can bet your ass that:

a) they are impressed at what I am doing

b) happy I remembered them and they will go put make up on just for a picture

c) make me promise that we will travel or do whatever cool thing I am doing i.e. bring them into my reality and be that 'cool' guy.

This is minimal work and I keep girls interested in me.

The ones I care for, am close with or share a good vibe with get to Skype me, once every 2 months or so.

Quality not quantity of information is vital for this.


Factor 5: Legitimacy

A lot of girls now have these avenues of communication as a pre-requisite and you will be seen as a social pariah (depending on your age group as mentioned).

I think it is wiser to at least have one with some cool photos than not.

Come on, if you're a cool guy and doing stuff right then this should not be difficult.


WhatsApp:

People don't text message anymore. I was chastised a few months ago when I was using an old Nokia for sending texts and it's as if I had technological ebola.

Calling? I only call people I am close to.

You can message bitches and you can send them voice notes.

I sent voice notes to this bisexual girl after she passed all the hoops.

- Met her on tinder

- Added me on WhatsApp and purely messaged me

- Added me on facebook and I accepted after 2 days (ironically another girl tracked me down off Tinder the same night)

- Her interest in me increased

- Sent her a voice note after a while with my sexy voice commanding her to send me pics. She said my voice was incredibly sexy and this made her want to meet me to 'have long conversations about deep stuff'

- Met her and she was DTF and said she was pleased that I lived up to her expectations. I even underplayed her.


Facebook:

You don't have to be a social media whore, but a few impressive pictures here and there and you have an online portfolio.

Manage it well and you can be pre-selected.

You meet a girl and she goes home to discover more about you.

Mutual friends? Boom (especially if they're legit).

Pictures that showcase a baller lifestyle? Your value just increased. (cover photos on facebook are public, you can utilize this)

You get the idea. You can bet your ass that every girl you meet is facebook stalking you.


Factor 6: Use their medicine against them

I use facebook to check out girls from time to time. It allows me to have a quasi-understanding of whats going on in their life and I can either relate or bring it up.

Shit, there's times when girls tell me stories that I completely forget and I visit their facebook profiles and see pics from that event. It reminds me and I will use it in the future.




Of course, this all seems like a lot of work, but it really is not. I have had a facebook and whatsapp since the very beginning and that is consequential of my age and the social expectations imposed upon my methods of communication.

Charles Darwin claimed that survival of the fittest is survival of the most adaptable.

Perhaps you just gotta adapt if this is the demographics you want to bang.

I refuse to sit and complain about it when I can get value out of this.

I use social media because it is easy and can be enjoyable if you apply certain edits to it.

[Cheetah]

So this is all Mark Zuckerberg's fault who started all this? He should have upgraded his girlfriend, now wife, instead of downgrading everyone else's.

[Cheetah]

If you ask an average SMV 18 year old male who grew up with all this social media and probably finds it natural, does he have easier or harder to get bangs compared to what an average SMV 18 year old had 10 or 20 years ago?

[Katdogbirdduck]

I also believe these three apps are crucial for today's gaming and dating world.
But still, Facebook and Whatsapp are sort of useless unless the guy is a friend of the chick or a friend of a friend, because girls overall wouldn't want to reply to someone they don't know overall.
Tinder, it's another story, it has completely evolved gaming world and I think it's crucial for every player nowadays.
Back in the day it would have only been possible to date chicks either through online dating or direct approach, and I think that both are fairly useless.
So yes, hail to the three apps

[Advent Persona]

(01-12-2015 03:09 PM)Katdogbirdduck Wrote:  

I also believe these three apps are crucial for today's gaming and dating world.
But still, Facebook and Whatsapp are sort of useless unless the guy is a friend of the chick or a friend of a friend, because girls overall wouldn't want to reply to someone they don't know overall.
Tinder, it's another story, it has completely evolved gaming world and I think it's crucial for every player nowadays.
Back in the day it would have only been possible to date chicks either through online dating or direct approach, and I think that both are fairly useless.
So yes, hail to the three apps

Wait what? You think direct approach is useless?

Direct approach skills has always been and will always be the most essential tool in a player's arsenal.

[DJ-Matt]

I still don't get how you can score with facebook, are there singles groups you join to get all these girls to friend you?

[speakeasy]

Men's financial clout used to be the check and balance. As well as the social stigma of being a spinster and childless in her 30s.

Now that these plugs have been pulled and women do not need men for financial stability and there's no stigma to being unmarried and childless past 30, the sexual marketplace is now fully in control of women since they need dick way less than men need pussy. And when egg freezing becomes cheaper, it's only going to get worse. This means they are willing to hold out for "the total package" even into their 40s. And if they don't find him, many don't care, they'll just as soon be fine raising a lab fertilized kid on their own.

Cats out of the bag. You can move to a country where these social dynamics haven't occurred but it's just a matter of time before they catch up. As the OP said, look how rapid the change was in Brazil.

[Katdogbirdduck]

(01-12-2015 04:36 PM)Advent Persona Wrote:  

(01-12-2015 03:09 PM)Katdogbirdduck Wrote:  

I also believe these three apps are crucial for today's gaming and dating world.
But still, Facebook and Whatsapp are sort of useless unless the guy is a friend of the chick or a friend of a friend, because girls overall wouldn't want to reply to someone they don't know overall.
Tinder, it's another story, it has completely evolved gaming world and I think it's crucial for every player nowadays.
Back in the day it would have only been possible to date chicks either through online dating or direct approach, and I think that both are fairly useless.
So yes, hail to the three apps

Wait what? You think direct approach is useless?

Direct approach skills has always been and will always be the most essential tool in a player's arsenal.

Nah man.
I forgot to elaborate well, my bad.
I said, Facebook and Whatsapp would be fairly useless on many girls unless you are their friend or in their social circle.
I mean do you normally search any name of a girl that you don't know and who isn't even a friend of a friend on Facebook and start chatting her up just like that?
While direct approach in addition to Tinder and the skills of today's men have made it a lot easier to approach a girl.
And I meant that online dating or direct approach are somewhat useless in countries like USA or the UK, I forgot to mention that.
Of course the majority of girls world wide, in EE, Asia, Scandinavia and Latin America are very receptive on average.
I meant that direct approach or online dating with the toxic attitude of Anglosaxon girls wouldn't yield much with these ones.

[AldoKelevra]

I think this would be a good experiment to carry out. This would put you on a different level and playing field than almost everybody and it would be interesting to see the results with you being in a more natural state without internet influence, as they will most likely still be using those online resources.

Having come back from living in Europe recently, I have noticed a decline in the women I have been talking to here in the States, and the receptiveness I have been given from them as well.

I blame this partly on the use of internet/dating apps. Where I was, tinder/OKC was barely used at all and I was having much better success there. It's almost like here in the states, they don't even give you the time of the day, even if you are a high value male. They just have too many options. They are like ADD/ADHD children.

I guess the old saying is true; when one has too many options, they decide to not choose at all.

[Switch]

Play the game. Men are getting laid more than ever, and it's the ones who play the social media game best that are getting laid. Remember, it doesn't matter who you are, it only matters who girls think you are. It doesn't matter if you are the most interesting man in the world if you can't portray that to girls. And the way you do that in the 21st century is social media. Play the game.

[Katdogbirdduck]

(01-12-2015 06:50 PM)Switch Wrote:  

Play the game. Men are getting laid more than ever, and it's the ones who play the social media game best that are getting laid. Remember, it doesn't matter who you are, it only matters who girls think you are. It doesn't matter if you are the most interesting man in the world if you can't portray that to girls. And the way you do that in the 21st century is social media. Play the game.

This!
What chicks perceive of the guy, what the guy exhibits is the most crucial part in game.
The guy could have a lot more than what he can show, but that would make him just a loser in a girl's eyes.
It's how the recess of the chicks' psychology, moods and hormones fluctuate under the influence of the guy's charisma and attitude that are hugely important for a guy to notice and take note of.

[bpryce]

(01-12-2015 06:50 PM)Switch Wrote:  

Play the game. Men are getting laid more than ever, and it's the ones who play the social media game best that are getting laid. Remember, it doesn't matter who you are, it only matters who girls think you are. It doesn't matter if you are the most interesting man in the world if you can't portray that to girls. And the way you do that in the 21st century is social media. Play the game.

But how can you "play the game" if you're an average guy and you're competing with guys that are more attractive on social media? Theres a reason why most on this forum can't get laid off Tinder.