Quote: (04-17-2011 05:46 AM)Gringo Wrote:
You seem to only have experience with working girls or semi pos in Thailand. I tend not to deal with them too often. Have shored a few but never paid for it. I've never had to pay a Thai girl for sex, not even in the form of breakfast in the morning or taxi fair home. Usually they're driving me home in their BMW.
This is partially true. I went there to have good time, and considering the amounts involved "not paying for sex" versus "paying for sex" makes absolutely no difference to me. However I studied the non-pro situation quite carefully myself, as well as discussed the situation with a lot of expats who live there (I attended three expat gatherings while being there). My overall impression from that was that unless you live there and speak fluent Thai, your chance to hook up with non-pro is slim. Your chance to hook up with a middle class Thai who works outside the tourist industry is pretty much zero (for starters, most of them don't speak English). For those who are in the tourist industry, they may have a particular interest in you, so it is possible, but they're not non-pros.
Another very important thing, which I tried to empathize in previous posts, was the difference between "she did not want any money from me" versus "I did not pay her any money". It is pretty easy NOT to pay the girl, and unless you deal with a bar or gogo girl you got from her workplace, she has pretty much no recourse.
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Good nightlife in Pattaya? Nah. Shitty Thai (or expat) cover bands playing cover music isn't my idea of a good night. In the whore bars you can tell them you don't want company a dozen times but they'll still try it on every so often to see if you've changed your mind.
Unfortunately you didn't say what is your idea of a "good night" is.
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Again you're talking about whores. You do realise not all girls in Thailand are whores yes? Avoid these girls as often as you can and find some normal ones, it isn't *that* difficult and a bit more rewarding that paying for it or basically pretending you didn't know she was a whore.
If I have never been to Thailand, I would completely agree with you. However I been there, and already listed some issues which so far you did not address at all:
1. Most of Thailand population seem to speaks zero English. Even those who deal with tourists often speak very basic English. So unless you speak Thai, your gaming abilities would be extremely limited just by language alone.
2. This is a very conservative society, and there is a well-known stigma against the Thai girls who go out with tourists, as other Thais basically consider them whores. A middle-class Thai lady who goes out only with foreigners basically does it because no respectable Thai would touch her - most likely because of her past. Those indeed fuck easily - for example, a lot of real estate agents would fuck you as a matter of business. Those are very popular targets in Russian community, and they're easy to fuck as long as you look like a potential customer who'd buy a condo through her agency so she'd earn commission. However this is not a "normal girl".
3. Every expat I talked to - and I asked over twenty different people - said the same thing: to find a non-pro middle class Thai girl you need to live here (i.e. not perceived as tourist) and speak decent Thai (so you can talk to her and her family). There may be exceptions, but they are very specific (for example, you have a really good chance if you got there via student exchange program).
Those reasons are why I asked for more
details about your hookups. Just the "I did it" claim alone carries very little value because the devil may be in details, and some of those details might actually make the claim useless for the rest of us. Same as I would claim how easy it is to get laid in Russia because I did it (and hiding the fact that I grew up there and speak the language natively). You got the idea.
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Giving a money grabbing pro your wallet, madness!
Your reaction really makes me wonder if you ever dealt with a Thai whore. Pretty much every trip report I've read so far confirms that Thai pros are generally honest, and won't steal from you as long as we're talking about reasonable amounts (like $100-$200).
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I know dealing with whores in Thailand is the easy option but does no one put the effort it? It's not that difficult to find a non pro or semi pro. Just normal girls.
The problem is that you're sharing your conclusions (i.e. "it is not difficult"), but not the details. And details are important. Maybe you speak fluent Thai. Maybe your friend is an important public figure in Thai military. Maybe you worked there for a few years. Or maybe you invited her and their friends into the club, and got a few bottles of alcohol for all of you. There are a lot of possible things which would make it easy, and which most of us would never have. So far from all the information I have so far it seems to be that difficult, and requires to put the amount of effort not worth it.
So could you please share your strategy, as well as what type of girls (age/looks wise, language level) you were pulling? And everyone would decide for themselves if it is difficult or not.