[bojangles]

I agree, they reason we think that Indian men love white women is they way in which they pursue them. The slutiness/easiness that they percieve gives them more courage to engage sleazy mode and pursue these girls like it's an Indian woman.

[KC4]

(02-03-2015 10:05 AM)Deluge Wrote:  

I'll post up a review of Desi Casanova ASAP. Might make a separate thread for the book so it gets more attention.

(02-03-2015 08:08 AM)KC4 Wrote:  

I still find it hilarious that Indian guys worship white western girls. I much prefer asian girls even though it's not the norm. spent alot of my childhood years in Bangkok which is probably the reason why i have yellowfever. Swedish girls are hot but they just don't make my head turn as a hot asian girl.

Indian men don't worship white women, they see them as inferior and as whores. They worship hot Indian women, not white women. Even most Indians born and raised in the West prefer Indian girls, especially if their social circle is mostly Indian. Same deal for Oriental men. IRT was an exception, not the rule.

I stand corrected, good point.

[Cobra]

^ Yes. I would say not many people exist in this world that doesn't elevate white girls to another level. It's not just the Indian guys. The only difference is game or how Indian guys react to it.

Indian men are raised to be compliant and respectful generally around elders and even higher level Indian girls. To the point that they elevate the recipients of their respect to a much higher level than anyone else, for example white girls. So essentially they are not raised with as much game as say a white guy in the west. Now, I'm speaking relatively in the context of social skills, not some seduction game that we all practice.

So when they see a hot white girl, their subconscious says "hot girl" but then gets taken over by their conscious compliance mindset which they then use to make excuses not to approach or approach haphazardly with no real effort. To them, after all they're sluts and whores!

Special mention goes to the arranged marriage mindset. A lot of indian men put negligible effort into their appearance and game outside of their circle since they'll likely have an arranged marriage set up by his relatives at some point. This matchmaking culture can be one of the biggest detriments to good game.

[WalterBlack]

(02-04-2015 11:03 AM)Cobra Wrote:  

^ Yes. I would say not many people exist in this world that doesn't elevate white girls to another level. It's not just the Indian guys. The only difference is game or how Indian guys react to it.

Indian men are raised to be compliant and respectful generally around elders and even higher level Indian girls. To the point that they elevate the recipients of their respect to a much higher level than anyone else, for example white girls. So essentially they are not raised with as much game as say a white guy in the west. Now, I'm speaking relatively in the context of social skills, not some seduction game that we all practice.

So when they see a hot white girl, their subconscious says "hot girl" but then gets taken over by their conscious compliance mindset which they then use to make excuses not to approach or approach haphazardly with no real effort. To them, after all they're sluts and whores!

This goes against what I’ve seen with Indian guys and white girls in the UK. Some Indian guys can be quite blunt and crude toward white girls, but are a lot nicer towards Indian girls. Unless I know her really well, I rarely sexualize a conversation with an Indian girl, whereas I have no issues doing that with women of other races. In my experience many Indian girls tend to act outwardly prudish at first, and you have to dig the inner slut out of them.

There’s definitely a pedestalisation of Indian women done by Indian men, They believe the bullshit that a lot of Indian women are like delicate snowflakes, whereas a lot of them are just as slutty as other races. Indian women are very good at hiding what they do…there’s’ not may single teenage Indian mothers are there? They either use contraception or have an abortion!

(02-04-2015 11:03 AM)Cobra Wrote:  

Special mention goes to the arranged marriage mindset. A lot of indian men put negligible effort into their appearance and game outside of their circle since they'll likely have an arranged marriage set up by his relatives at some point. This matchmaking culture can be one of the biggest detriments to good game.

I think this applies to very FOBBY Indian men only, UK Indian guys tend not to grow up assuming that they will have an arranged marriage, even though some of them eventually do.

[Cobra]

^ I should have added a caveat that it depends on the man's "Indianness" if you will. That means most Fobby guys will elevate whereas more socially adjusted guys seem better at these things.

That being said I have seen one too many American born Indian dudes that are completely maladjusted and both socially as well as how they eventually use the "arranged marriage" card. To me if they are in some social circle of Indians and that's the circle that arranges their marriages, it's still arranged, Fobby or not.

I must say this though: there appears to be by and large a huge difference in UK Indian guys' game versus their American counterparts. Not surprising given the higher level of integration in the UK.

I once knew an American born Indian kid that told me that his mom told him not to hang out with me. This is because I provided him with his first alcoholic drink, a can of Bud. True story. It was my first experience with an IRT.

[WalterBlack]

(02-04-2015 06:43 PM)Cobra Wrote:  

I once knew an American born Indian kid that told me that his mom told him not to hang out with me. This is because I provided him with his first alcoholic drink, a can of Bud. True story. It was my first experience with an IRT.

This is big problem with that contributes to the faggotry of many Indians in the West, that drinking alcohol, or eating meat is seen as a bad thing!

I remember a couple of years ago going to a bar with some Asian-Americans from my college in Los Angeles. This was the first time I had met some of these guys and one of them said, ”You don’t drink right, Indians don’t drink. I remember working with 2 Indian guys, and they never drunk any alcohol…”

I’m not hating on other Indians, but I’m glad I was raised in a Punjabi household. I was never told not to drink or eat anything. My dad let me to take sips of his beer when I was 6 years old. I remember my dad’s uncle in India giving me shit because I didn’t smoke! My dad told me the first place he went to after he landed in the UK in the early 1960s was the pub. His uncle picked him up from the airport and took him for a pint!

The town that I grew up in had an Indian population that was all Punjabi, so I was used to seeing Indians who drank alcohol and ate meat. Nowadays, many of the nightclubs and bars are owned by British born Punjabis.

[tacolove]

I think they just put white women on a pedastal based on Hollywood movies with celebs like Cameron Diaz and other hot blondes.

If an asian guy has no personality or looks, and can't speak english well or is socially awkward, then there is nothing he can do to get a white girl.

Besides looks, white women are attracted to men with Charming personalities and nice smiles.

Aside from that cultural differences can get in the way of dating. Especially if you are a different religion. A lot of white girls might not want to date a guy from a different religion if he has a bad personality or is unattractive.

A guy with no game/personality/bad looks will have better luck with white women if he is the same religion.

Catholics are often very open-minded to different races. Hispanic (Catholic) men often have good luck dating white Catholic girls.

Atheist/Hippie/Goth/Punk girls are usually more open-minded in dating unconventional non-Christians/non-whites.

But if you are Muslim or Hindu, then it will take a really Charming personality to date a white girl. Its much easier to meet and date white girls when you attend the same church and earn her trust.

[kaotic]

(02-04-2015 11:51 PM)tacolove Wrote:  

I think they just put white women on a pedastal based on Hollywood movies with celebs like Cameron Diaz and other hot blondes.

If an asian guy has no personality or looks, and can't speak english well or is socially awkward, then there is nothing he can do to get a white girl.

False, it's called changing himself from the inside out.

Besides looks, white women are attracted to men with Charming personalities and nice smiles.

Did you forget game ? Let's not focus on just while girls.

Aside from that cultural differences can get in the way of dating. Especially if you are a different religion. A lot of white girls might not want to date a guy from a different religion if he has a bad personality or is unattractive.

False, its not because of the religion, it's because of the latter "bad personality or is unattractive"

A guy with no game/personality/bad looks will have better luck with white girls if he is the same religion.

False, but let's not focus on white women.

Catholics are often very open-minded to different races. Hispanic (Catholic) men often have good luck dating white Catholic girls.

Atheist/Hippie/Goth/Punk girls are usually more open-minded in dating unconventional non-Christians/non-whites.

False, I've seen plenty that still don't date outside of their race. BUT it is true that they are open minded, but lets not focus on white girls.

But if you are Muslim or Hindu, then it will take a really Charming personality to date a white girl. Its much easier to meet and date white girls when you attend the same church and earn her trust.

False, I come from a muslim background, I didn't know game, still lost my virginity to a white girl at 15 and banged other white girls with my mediocre introverted personality until my Junior year in high school where I began to change.

False, I don't think it's easier to date a white girl and attend the same church to "earn" her trust, when she should be earning yours to begin with. That's idolizing her.

But let's not make this all about white girls.

[WalterBlack]

(02-04-2015 11:51 PM)tacolove Wrote:  

But if you are Muslim or Hindu, then it will take a really Charming personality to date a white girl. Its much easier to meet and date white girls when you attend the same church and earn her trust.

Unless you’re outwardly religious, and wear attire that indicates so, I don’t think anybody gives a shit about religion. Religion conversations are too deep to interest most women.

A lot of the converts to Islam in UK are white women who married Muslim Pakistani men – how did that happen?!

[capote]

(02-04-2015 11:51 PM)tacolove Wrote:  

But if you are Muslim or Hindu, then it will take a really Charming personality to date a white girl. Its much easier to meet and date white girls when you attend the same church and earn her trust.

So if he's Hindu or Muslim, he'll have to be 10x as charming as Arnold on Green Acres to get with a white girl? What the fuck are you talking about man?

Bring a Indian guy with a flat stomach, a sharp wit and a cool personality and he'll plow through the white pussy, if he wants to. The main problem with Indian guys is the social programming and the lack of motivation to game which makes them passive and weak and more importantly, unwilling to improve themselves.

Its a damn shame the coolest Indian cats don't care much about moving out of the country (contradictory, I know) because the bar is so low that anyone who remotely has his shit together can bag a bevy of beauties with relative ease.

[tacolove]

(02-05-2015 02:29 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

(02-04-2015 11:51 PM)tacolove Wrote:  

I think they just put white women on a pedastal based on Hollywood movies with celebs like Cameron Diaz and other hot blondes.

If an asian guy has no personality or looks, and can't speak english well or is socially awkward, then there is nothing he can do to get a white girl.

False, it's called changing himself from the inside out.

Besides looks, white women are attracted to men with Charming personalities and nice smiles.

Did you forget game ? Let's not focus on just while girls.

Aside from that cultural differences can get in the way of dating. Especially if you are a different religion. A lot of white girls might not want to date a guy from a different religion if he has a bad personality or is unattractive.

False, its not because of the religion, it's because of the latter "bad personality or is unattractive"

A guy with no game/personality/bad looks will have better luck with white girls if he is the same religion.

False, but let's not focus on white women.

Catholics are often very open-minded to different races. Hispanic (Catholic) men often have good luck dating white Catholic girls.

Atheist/Hippie/Goth/Punk girls are usually more open-minded in dating unconventional non-Christians/non-whites.

False, I've seen plenty that still don't date outside of their race. BUT it is true that they are open minded, but lets not focus on white girls.

But if you are Muslim or Hindu, then it will take a really Charming personality to date a white girl. Its much easier to meet and date white girls when you attend the same church and earn her trust.

False, I come from a muslim background, I didn't know game, still lost my virginity to a white girl at 15 and banged other white girls with my mediocre introverted personality until my Junior year in high school where I began to change.

False, I don't think it's easier to date a white girl and attend the same church to "earn" her trust, when she should be earning yours to begin with. That's idolizing her.

But let's not make this all about white girls.

well most guys shouldn't have much of a problem dating women from their own race, especially if the guy is not horrendous-looking. The difficulty comes from when guys try to date outside their race, and do not know how to build attraction or are just culturally clueless and socially awkward. This thread was about Indian guys trying to bang white women, so that was why the discussion was about white women.

If you are banging white women in HS, then you probably have more game or are at least more attractive than the asian guys who are not banging white girls.

As for religion, it might matter when it comes to marriage. The most important thing for an asian guy to do is to be open-minded about converting or at least be tolerant enough to attend services especially if the woman is jewish, catholic, or christian.

The problem with Asian FOB's is that they just don't understand the culture and don't try to learn "white culture" and just stick with Asian culture and hang out with asian people. If you want to date a White Woman, then you have to be open-minded and immerse yourself in learning about white culture. Its called assimilation and adapting.

[tacolove]

(02-05-2015 04:14 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  

(02-04-2015 11:51 PM)tacolove Wrote:  

But if you are Muslim or Hindu, then it will take a really Charming personality to date a white girl. Its much easier to meet and date white girls when you attend the same church and earn her trust.

Unless you’re outwardly religious, and wear attire that indicates so, I don’t think anybody gives a shit about religion. Religion conversations are too deep to interest most women.

A lot of the converts to Islam in UK are white women who married Muslim Pakistani men – how did that happen?!

In America, Americans have a generally elitist attitude towards the rest of the world and would find it weird for an American girl to convert to Islam.

There just aren't many American women who would ever want to convert to Hinduism or Islam. There are a lot of white Christian women, especially in the Bible belt who only want to marry other Christians. There are also a lot of Jewish women who only want to marry Jewish men.

Religious differences can be a barrier to dating/relationships and it could be something for the guy to understand and figure out how to navigate, and how tolerant the guy is for the woman's religion. A lot of American women may view Islam as too conservative and restrictive of woman's rights.

The UK is a weird outlier, in that Atheism is promoted and skepticism towards the Catholic church. So in the UK, most white people detest christian dogma. Thus, it make UK white people more open-minded towards non-christian religions. Its much easier for an agnostic white woman to convert to Islam, instead of trying to get a devout catholic to convert to Islam.

In that sense, I do get the impression that White Women in the UK are more open-minded in dating Indian men. Plus, there is a long history of cultural exchange between India and Britain. The UK is also a very internationally-busy location, so there is less "fear of foreigners"

[tacolove]

(02-05-2015 07:42 PM)capote Wrote:  

(02-04-2015 11:51 PM)tacolove Wrote:  

But if you are Muslim or Hindu, then it will take a really Charming personality to date a white girl. Its much easier to meet and date white girls when you attend the same church and earn her trust.

So if he's Hindu or Muslim, he'll have to be 10x as charming as Arnold on Green Acres to get with a white girl? What the fuck are you talking about man?

Bring a Indian guy with a flat stomach, a sharp wit and a cool personality and he'll plow through the white pussy, if he wants to. The main problem with Indian guys is the social programming and the lack of motivation to game which makes them passive and weak and more importantly, unwilling to improve themselves.

Its a damn shame the coolest Indian cats don't care much about moving out of the country (contradictory, I know) because the bar is so low that anyone who remotely has his shit together can bag a bevy of beauties with relative ease.

To talk to random women and open a set takes a strong dose of fearlessness. It also takes social intelligence and practice. There are plenty of nerds who get rejected a couple of times and are paralyzed by fear. In addition, many men have no idea what to say or how to open a set, so its not just paralysis of fear, but paralysis of the brain - and not knowing how to speak in social situations, especially in different cultural settings.

There are plenty of men who are not witty and can barely utter 2 sentences. But they are attractive enough or at least non-ugly to date women due to proximity - shared religion, shared interests, work, friends of friends, etc.

Most people in the world just end up marrying someone who lives the closest to them and they see the most often. This the lazy person's method of dating/marriage. It literally requires no effort for a man or woman to be set up by a mutual friend or a pastor. Introverted Shy women are more paralyzed by fear and will often just date the first guy who asks her out.

[Wahawahwah]

Listen. Im Hindu. Im Brown. I had an accent when I came to the States. you know what happened?

I got laid like nobodys business.

White, brown, purple, orange.

the biggest problem with indians is their obsession with being "Indian".

thats it. its all external. but most of them are pussies to know what they want to know.

again and again and again ive tried to help them become better men. but you know what? some people WANT THE BLUE PILL. they want to eat the illusory steak and believe that it is amazing. and when occasionally reality strikes, it strikes hard.

Indian. American. African. European. Fuck that shit man. Fuck these labels. Fuck mediocrity.

[tacolove]

(02-05-2015 10:12 PM)Sharkie Wrote:  

Listen. Im Hindu. Im Brown. I had an accent when I came to the States. you know what happened?

I got laid like nobodys business.

White, brown, purple, orange.

the biggest problem with indians is their obsession with being "Indian".

thats it. its all external. but most of them are pussies to know what they want to know.

again and again and again ive tried to help them become better men. but you know what? some people WANT THE BLUE PILL. they want to eat the illusory steak and believe that it is amazing. and when occasionally reality strikes, it strikes hard.

Indian. American. African. European. Fuck that shit man. Fuck these labels. Fuck mediocrity.

I would say that the problem Indian guys have is that they don't know how to talk to women or don't know what to say. Maybe, they don't even Want to talk to women. They are paralyzed by fear and the unknown. If really depends on how much effort or energy a guy wants to put into hitting on women.

[Wahawahwah]

it depends has become the new Just be yourself.

It just depends on who you are. are you a fucking wimp? Just go and talk to someone. Go get what you want because it sure as fucking hell is not going to be handed to you on a silver platter. Breathe fire.

Ive refrained from talking on this thread because it is rampant with the It Depends mentality.

If you like white girls, then go after white girls. what is stopping you?
Not society. Not white boys or <insert race>. It is your own fucking insecurities that choke you at the moment it counts.
Stop being apologetic for whatever your preferences are.

Quote:

Maybe, they don't even Want to talk to women.

Right.

[tacolove]

There are some guys that just want the easiest and laziest method of meeting girls. Maybe they just can't think of anything interesting to say or having boring lives/jobs. It is annoying that girls expect a guy to do a song and dance and put in all the effort. I suppose if its not worth the effort its not worth the bang. Thankfully, girls in the past 10 years have gotten more sexually promiscuous and open-minded, and Asians are looked at more positively in media. In the past, girls used to date only to get married. Now, girls don't care as much about marriage, and are okay dating guys that fit outside of those marriage disney fairytales.

[kaotic]

(02-06-2015 01:31 AM)tacolove Wrote:  

There are some guys that just want the easiest and laziest method of meeting girls. Maybe they just can't think of anything interesting to say or having boring lives/jobs. It is annoying that girls expect a guy to do a song and dance and put in all the effort. I suppose if its not worth the effort its not worth the bang. Thankfully, girls in the past 10 years have gotten more sexually promiscuous and open-minded, and Asians are looked at more positively in media. In the past, girls used to date only to get married. Now, girls don't care as much about marriage, and are okay dating guys that fit outside of those marriage disney fairytales.

So then why are you making excuses for them ? Fuck them, worry about yourself.

It's not annoying, learn game, it betters yourself, your career, sex life, etc.

What's the exact goal for you then ? What's your background ? Are you trying to improve your life and learn game ? What do you have invested in this ?

[Cobra]

^^^ This is the downside to reading too much into the manosphere and the forum. The reading/posting to action ratio is too high. Not the members that prefer to be this way because of personal/security reasons. The ones that read and could take action but they don't. Instead they come back to an article or post and spend too much time in there.

A side effect of this is that the excuses to action ratio also goes up. Guys come up with different reasons like media, feminism etc. to avoid approaching or not approaching with a positive mindset. As a matter of fact, it actually ends up creating negative mind sets.

I've been there and to some extent still trying to shake it off. Especially if you're Asian or Indian, action is key. It's really the only thing you can rely on that can reliably tip these ratios in your favor.

Screw what happened over the last 10 years, screw promiscuity, screw media and screw what people say. Knowing these things don't really help you. Just get out there and put in work. Girls or otherwise.

[tacolove]

(02-06-2015 03:34 PM)Cobra Wrote:  

^^^ This is the downside to reading too much into the manosphere and the forum. The reading/posting to action ratio is too high. Not the members that prefer to be this way because of personal/security reasons. The ones that read and could take action but they don't. Instead they come back to an article or post and spend too much time in there.

A side effect of this is that the excuses to action ratio also goes up. Guys come up with different reasons like media, feminism etc. to avoid approaching or not approaching with a positive mindset. As a matter of fact, it actually ends up creating negative mind sets.

I've been there and to some extent still trying to shake it off. Especially if you're Asian or Indian, action is key. It's really the only thing you can rely on that can reliably tip these ratios in your favor.

Screw what happened over the last 10 years, screw promiscuity, screw media and screw what people say. Knowing these things don't really help you. Just get out there and put in work. Girls or otherwise.

Its about building attraction, and many dorks just don't know how to build attraction or how to change. They are becoming more westernized and more interested in western culture, which should make them easier to talk to white american women.

I don't think that many Indian men actually convert to christianity but they don't mind that their wives practice it, and they don't force their wives to convert to islam or hinduism, at least in America. In the UK, it seems that white wives are willing to convert to islam. In the USA, I think most Indian men would allow their white christian wives to raise their children as christians or atheists. While white women are more open-minded in dating indians and asians, I think white Americans just don't really like the idea of converting to any religion. I don't know if many Indians date jewish girls, but I would think that Jewish girls would prefer to raise their children in judaism.

I think if you want to inter-racially date, you have to be open-minded on dating people from different religions and lifestyles. Some religious groups are stricter in their child-rearing, such as judaism. I guess its up to guy to decide what type of girl he wants to marry and how tolerant his views are of her lifestyle and culture.

Have you found that more white girls are interested in Asian religions/culture and converting? Or is it more common for the man to become more Westernized? I feel that more Westernized men have better luck dating white american women.

[tacolove]

(02-06-2015 01:01 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

(02-06-2015 01:31 AM)tacolove Wrote:  

There are some guys that just want the easiest and laziest method of meeting girls. Maybe they just can't think of anything interesting to say or having boring lives/jobs. It is annoying that girls expect a guy to do a song and dance and put in all the effort. I suppose if its not worth the effort its not worth the bang. Thankfully, girls in the past 10 years have gotten more sexually promiscuous and open-minded, and Asians are looked at more positively in media. In the past, girls used to date only to get married. Now, girls don't care as much about marriage, and are okay dating guys that fit outside of those marriage disney fairytales.

So then why are you making excuses for them ? Fuck them, worry about yourself.

It's not annoying, learn game, it betters yourself, your career, sex life, etc.

What's the exact goal for you then ? What's your background ? Are you trying to improve your life and learn game ? What do you have invested in this ?

I feel that learning game/communication skills/social skills is just as time consuming as career skills. I spent way to many years loafing around and partying, and ignoring career skills. Now I'm focused on building my career and trying to get rich. Its easier for me to focus on one thing at a time. Its hard to balance school/career and partying.

[Lothario]

   

[Cobra]

(02-06-2015 08:18 PM)tacolove Wrote:  

Have you found that more white girls are interested in Asian religions/culture and converting? Or is it more common for the man to become more Westernized? I feel that more Westernized men have better luck dating white american women.

Who cares? You appear to be stuck in a mental loop which says that a woman is not serious about you unless she converts. I care to convert my cock from one in a resting position to one that is in a position that is only found inside a pussy. I don't think it's a "stretch" (pun intended ) when I say most guys on the forum would be with me on this one.

And one thing about white girls. I got 2 numbers out of 6 day approaches today. One of them was a hot blonde 8.5. This particular girl was extremely sweet and feminine. I forgot to notice how media and the western culture made her such a bitch. Girls like this exist. She even said she had a "boyfriend." Watch for this and the others in the approach thread.

(02-06-2015 08:21 PM)tacolove Wrote:  

I feel that learning game/communication skills/social skills is just as time consuming as career skills. I spent way to many years loafing around and partying, and ignoring career skills. Now I'm focused on building my career and trying to get rich. Its easier for me to focus on one thing at a time. Its hard to balance school/career and partying.

I would think a bit about this if I were you. What makes you think "career" skills can be separated from "game/communication/social" skills? Do you think the former will make you "rich" or the latter? It's fine to focus on one thing at a time but your framing of it may be a bit too unrealistic.

Before I spend more time on this, I'm hoping for your thoughts. Just trying to make sure you're not trolling.

[bojangles]

I'm confused by tacolove, my senses say troll.

[Wahawahwah]

(02-07-2015 10:26 AM)bojangles Wrote:  

I'm confused by tacolove, my senses say troll.

race apologist