[DaveR]

(08-18-2014 09:32 AM)Gosh900 Wrote:  

I honestly thought that Australia was chock full of beautiful girls because many of them are models from Victoria Secret

Models are never a good indication of a country's women. You never hear their voices, never experience their personalities, and their hair, makeup and clothes are controlled by other people.

The main reason Australian women turn me off is that they dress, speak and act like men. I don't know of any other country where the women are so masculine.

[JWLZG]

There isn't a simple yes or no answer to the original question.

You've got a huge local cosmopolitan variation in Melbourne and Sydney alone; less so in the other capitals.

Of course the standard anywhere will be a 5; where you are in the world will place your 5 a standard deviation from the global mean. An Australian 5 is not going to be on par with a Swedish 5, ditto for Colombia or Lebanon.

If you have to generalise though, a lot of plain Janes and chubbers predominate. I'd go so far to say that it's practically the norm -- even the fatties have standards these days!

The quality in country Australia including the regional cities tends to be subpar. Many will have punched out a kid by their early twenties too -- even earlier sometimes, they say. The few decent-looking ones tend to GTFO and flock to the cities when they get the chance. Same with the working-class suburbs.

The better looking ones tend to predominate in upper-income brackets and sporting circles. They tend to give a shit about their appearance and can afford to do so more. Peer pressure tend to play a role in that.

Broken down by race, you will still find good looking Anglo types, the ones with other North European admixture a bit more so. Mixed-race girls are definitely up there though.

By and large, shitty local food/fast food, damaging lifestyle and excess sun exposure tends to mess up the shape of Australian girls and even the non-Anglo ones can start to age badly.

I've heard that a lot of Melbourne girls show off more natural beauty, this is mainly among the artsy/indie crowd -- probably because they rely less on makeup and have all right figures.

Also I've heard lots of good things about the quality of Perth girls. Something about how the bronzed blonde surfer type are aplenty. Come to think of it, I don't recall ever meeting an ugly Perth chick.

Appearances aside, for foreign guys used to more feminine-sounding girls, yes, I'll admit the Aussie accent really makes the girls here that much more masculine. Don't say I didn't warn you.

[tonipepperoni]

Most Aussie guys on here can't give decent perspective because they simply haven't had the opportunity to get out of the solitary country of Australia -- short trips to europe, s.e. asia, don't count. It is difficult to get context when you're living in an island.

With re: Australia, I've lived in 2 major cities and in the best part of each location which is probably optimal for so-called 'talent'. Presently I live in a slavic country. Before I lived in other Western European countries, Asia, and Dubai. Most of my friends were either nightclub fiends, pua gurus, promoters, club owners, successsful white collar guys in finance... and I would say, whilst living there I went out 2 nights a week on average. I wasted approximately 3-4 years of my 20s there and I'm glad I got out.

In some ways Australian girls are more attractive than those in the UK, London being a general exception to that rule since it's slowly being populated with continental talent.

While you do often spot european ethnics in Melbourne and Sydney, mixed asians, other attractive ethnics.... if we're speaking about raw anglo girls..then:
Australian girls are the most masculine women on the entire planet, period.

English girls seem rather innocent and nicer in comparison despite being genetically defective. Anglo-Australian women are broad shouldered, thunder thighed (muscular not just fat), big-framed, big-jawed creatures. And Australian males are quite comfortable having sex with them.

While Roosh V crowd generally speak less of American girls we must remember that at least American girls have german ancestry.

Australian men are renowned for their false positivity and optimism, so generally they like to have a dissassociatve stance on the truth 'It's hard to paint everyone with one brush, mate'. They simply don't like to tell the truth because they have to lie to themselves to give meaning to their reality and fantasy which they've been indoctrinated with since birth:
If we were to compare life in Manhattan to life in Melbourne then you'd find that an Australian male with good pedigree in game would be able to score at 4-10 times the rate with the same talent or higher.
For London, depending on how much of a bogan he is, at least 2 times higher.


Australian men will not tell you the truth because they're simply complacent about their results and comfortable meeting women at a gentle pace, while dreaming about Miranda Kerr, drinking stubbies and watching the cricket. Usually socialising with male counterparts.

In general, while you will see an attractive girl on Chapel Street, you will score less because you're competing in a country where men are viciously trying to outpeacock each other. Australia is peacock country.

[tonipepperoni]

Asking the question of 'Does this place have ugly girls' isn't relevant without context.

For example, Peru is arguably a place with shitty indigenous genetics, but a 5/10 gringo would be better off there than Australia where he will be brutally murdered by vicious rejections and financially raped by 20 dollar entry fees and 8 dollar coronas.

The better question would be: is Australia a place where a 6/10 guy can get laid once a month with a reasonably attractive girl?
The answer is a resounding no -- it is simply not agreeable on the slightest level and probably one of the hardest places in the world (major city wise).

[tonipepperoni]

(08-19-2014 11:19 PM)Vroom Wrote:  

I don't even know why everyone is talking about the "average" girl, or why they're surprised that "average" is around 5.

The average of anywhere is 5. If you travel and the girls where you are have a slightly different look to what you're used to, you might think the average there is higher. But stay there for a while, even just a few weeks and it soon becomes normal - classic regression to the mean.

Besides, girls on the lower side of average don't even register with me. I'm not after average, I'm after girls who pass the boner test, of which there is no shortage. I've heard that girls in the eastern states might be of a slightly lower standard, but come to the west coast in the summer time and half you guys wouldn't make it out the airport before jizzing in your pants.

A classic case of Australian male false-positivity.

Let's paint a genetic picture. Australian anglo women are derived from anglo-saxons.
Anglo-saxons are from the british isles which received little or no genetic intermixing for hundreds of years excluding the french.
While places in the EU received a horde of passing immigrants, wars.. continuous conquests, new empires, different genetic specimen, high levels of intermixing..

The British isle remained a solitary world. A cesspool of female genetic hell.

In the 1980s American Hegemony reigned superior with its petrodollaz, the fall of the Soviet Union, Oprah, Jerry Springer, etc etc. They essentially controlled the World's media culture and thus our perceptions of Beauty. What we think is average is based on the American reference of beauty. What we think we desire is based on American capitalism. We relate to an Australian girls looks based on the fictions we see in Hollywood, whether we like it or not (among other influences).

For you to think the world is equal when it comes to genetic beauty is laughable -- but this is what the Anglo-Capitalistic world has taught you. It is not equal.

The requirements for getting a '9/10' sheila is substantially difficult. It is difficult because while most of Europe had a male shortage, genetic intermixing, which produced a high talent pool for beautiful women, the anglo world was stagnant -- there was no evolutionary requirement for females to look good. Female beauty in races depend completely on how much their aesthetics are valued for the purposes of survival. And in the Anglo world it simply was not substantial. For males on the other hand, Australia is a place which breeds fit, masculine, attractive peacockers, with a delusional sense of positive energy.

But Australia is hellish for a decent sex life and intimacy.
All you have left is some slight flirtations and dreams with scoring a cutesy girl next door type like Miranda Kerr who hasn't been on the cock carousel in Fortitude Valley.
But I assure you, they have all been.

It's simply too easy for a woman to find a bull-neck Rugby/AFL Player -- a male that's willing to go down a few deviations just to get a notch and brag to his mates over a 10 dollar cappuccino in Lygon street. Most Australian women have experienced a man far beyond her social value, and if she hasn't, it's probably because she got traumatized by Schoolies Groupsex after necking a bottle of smirnoff, brah.

[DaveR]

(08-15-2014 08:31 PM)Krivo Wrote:  

Not this one:

I haven't yet decided what is more unattractive - that inflection or vocal fry.

(08-20-2014 11:15 AM)JWLZG Wrote:  

Of course the standard anywhere will be a 5; where you are in the world will place your 5 a standard deviation from the global mean. An Australian 5 is not going to be on par with a Swedish 5, ditto for Colombia or Lebanon.

I don't think that's the generally accepted methodology. A 4 is a 4 regardless of how many 8s or 2s she is surrounded by. The reference level 9 is what you see on the cover of various magazines like Sports Illustrated or Vogue, depending on what your taste is.

[Que enspastic]

(08-20-2014 01:58 PM)DaveR Wrote:  

I don't think that's the generally accepted methodology. A 4 is a 4 regardless of how many 8s or 2s she is surrounded by. The reference level 9 is what you see on the cover of various magazines like Sports Illustrated or Vogue, depending on what your taste is.

I used to think the average Australian girl was a 5. Then I went to Europe. The average Australian girl is a 4 in Europe.

[rekruler]

How are the Asian girls in Australia? I'm assuming by now there are two separate populations, the ones born in Australia and FOBs. I have two specific questions:

1)This goes for both categories: are they accessible to white dudes, or tend desperately stick to other Asians?

2) For Australian born Asians only: how is the obesity?

[JWLZG]

(08-20-2014 12:51 PM)tonipepperoni Wrote:  

Most Aussie guys on here can't give decent perspective because they simply haven't had the opportunity to get out of the solitary country of Australia -- short trips to europe, s.e. asia, don't count. It is difficult to get context when you're living in an island.

...Errm, what? Australian guys don't travel?

(08-20-2014 01:58 PM)DaveR Wrote:  

(08-20-2014 11:15 AM)JWLZG Wrote:  

Of course the standard anywhere will be a 5; where you are in the world will place your 5 a standard deviation from the global mean. An Australian 5 is not going to be on par with a Swedish 5, ditto for Colombia or Lebanon.

I don't think that's the generally accepted methodology. A 4 is a 4 regardless of how many 8s or 2s she is surrounded by. The reference level 9 is what you see on the cover of various magazines like Sports Illustrated or Vogue, depending on what your taste is.

If we're talking about the 1-10 scale in universal terms, then, yes, Aussie girls do go down a notch or two.

[JWLZG]

(08-20-2014 02:50 PM)rekruler Wrote:  

How are the Asian girls in Australia? I'm assuming by now there are two separate populations, the ones born in Australia and FOBs. I have two specific questions:

1)This goes for both categories: are they accessible to white dudes, or tend desperately stick to other Asians?

2) For Australian born Asians only: how is the obesity?

Asian chicks aren't my first preference, but you've got the general idea.

There are roughly 3 categories. For the most part, they will have little to nothing to do with each other and may be considered different kettle of fish:

FOB Asian - They don't intend to stick around here permanently though ironically, some of them may have been around since secondary school. As a result they don't usually adopt local Australian culture and the accent, instead following their own (music tastes, etc.) from back home. This results in rather tacky fashion sense -- think baseball caps with street wear. Can be materialistic. With very few exceptions - e.g. forced by their work/study nature to interact with locals - they will stick to their own kind or maybe to exchange students.
Appearances vary widely - on the whole, their traits reflect their origins. By and large, I've found faces and shapes nothing to write home about unless they're South East Asian.

1) They tend to be reserved and cold towards locals and other foreigners, but RVFers have reported success with them. Street/campus game is your best best.

The local Asians are generally of South-East Asian, Southern Chinese and South Asian descent.

Local aZn - Around a third to half the Australian-Asian population. While they might interact with white/other Aussies through school/work etc., they largely keep to their own. They may grow up in enclave suburbs descended from recent immigrants. Tend to follow a mix of Asian and mainstream pop culture.

1) Will be much more open to white dudes, although by and large not through social circle/night game unless Asian venues are your thing.

2) Obesity is far less uncommon among this group, you'll have to wade through lots of butterfaces and chubbers though.

Local Westernised Asian - They tend towards white-majority circles. They'll have grown up in white-Australian culture including the accent so YMMV. They generally hail from a few generations of family here - mine is an exception. Usually middle- and upper-class and are likely to be privately-educated. Tend to be taller with better figures.

1) Go for your life. They prefer white guys but if you're Westernised enough, you're in. Her friends aren't going to give her shit for it.

2) They're most likely of the three camps to be involved in sports, outdoor and gym culture. You have much less obesity as a result. Some will be muscular and big-boned.

[tonipepperoni]

(08-20-2014 07:27 PM)JWLZG Wrote:  

(08-20-2014 12:51 PM)tonipepperoni Wrote:  

Most Aussie guys on here can't give decent perspective because they simply haven't had the opportunity to get out of the solitary country of Australia -- short trips to europe, s.e. asia, don't count. It is difficult to get context when you're living in an island.

...Errm, what? Australian guys don't travel?

(08-20-2014 01:58 PM)DaveR Wrote:  

(08-20-2014 11:15 AM)JWLZG Wrote:  

Of course the standard anywhere will be a 5; where you are in the world will place your 5 a standard deviation from the global mean. An Australian 5 is not going to be on par with a Swedish 5, ditto for Colombia or Lebanon.

I don't think that's the generally accepted methodology. A 4 is a 4 regardless of how many 8s or 2s she is surrounded by. The reference level 9 is what you see on the cover of various magazines like Sports Illustrated or Vogue, depending on what your taste is.

If we're talking about the 1-10 scale in universal terms, then, yes, Aussie girls do go down a notch or two.

Doing 2 weeks in thailand and 4 weeks in Europe is not significant contextual experience to understand the difference in Aesthetics.

Most Australian guys will go to a city like Berlin, mingle with other europeans or Australians in the hostel, and barely go to a place like Charlottenburg where Berlin-Russian talent reside. Most will have a contiki experience -- i.e. hostels in random city, a few day tours, etc etc.

It took me several weeks to understand Berlin as a city. It took me a while to understand Europe in general.

For the 4 week specialist -- you simply will not be exposed to beautiful women in random places like Trip, Croatia or Greek Islands.

And meeting swedish girls in Thailand doesn't count either. Whenever cocaine is further from the motherland (colombia), it lowers in purity levels. The same can be said for europoids.

You wont believe the amount of below average europoids I've met who have their hearts set on Australia.

Meeting a German girl in Australia is a distorted reality. Meeting a swedish girl in Thailand is a distorted reality. And meeting european women in european hostels is also distorted.

It's hard to realise the truth as an Australian male.

[rudebwoy]

^Do not forget the hordes that live in West London (Shepherds Bush) in a houseshare full of antipodeans and hang out at Walkabout pubs.

[Biologist]

(08-20-2014 12:51 PM)tonipepperoni Wrote:  

Most Aussie guys on here can't give decent perspective because they simply haven't had the opportunity to get out of the solitary country of Australia

I don't know where you're getting this from. Australians (both the men and women) travel overseas a lot relative to the rest of the world.

(08-20-2014 08:27 PM)JWLZG Wrote:  

Asian chicks aren't my first preference, but you've got the general idea.

There are roughly 3 categories. For the most part, they will have little to nothing to do with each other and may be considered different kettle of fish:

FOB Asian - They don't intend to stick around here permanently though ironically, some of them may have been around since secondary school. As a result they don't usually adopt local Australian culture and the accent, instead following their own (music tastes, etc.) from back home. This results in rather tacky fashion sense -- think baseball caps with street wear. Can be materialistic. With very few exceptions - e.g. forced by their work/study nature to interact with locals - they will stick to their own kind or maybe to exchange students.
Appearances vary widely - on the whole, their traits reflect their origins. By and large, I've found faces and shapes nothing to write home about unless they're South East Asian.

1) They tend to be reserved and cold towards locals and other foreigners, but RVFers have reported success with them. Street/campus game is your best best.

The local Asians are generally of South-East Asian, Southern Chinese and South Asian descent.

Local aZn - Around a third to half the Australian-Asian population. While they might interact with white/other Aussies through school/work etc., they largely keep to their own. They may grow up in enclave suburbs descended from recent immigrants. Tend to follow a mix of Asian and mainstream pop culture.

1) Will be much more open to white dudes, although by and large not through social circle/night game unless Asian venues are your thing.

2) Obesity is far less uncommon among this group, you'll have to wade through lots of butterfaces and chubbers though.

Local Westernised Asian - They tend towards white-majority circles. They'll have grown up in white-Australian culture including the accent so YMMV. They generally hail from a few generations of family here - mine is an exception. Usually middle- and upper-class and are likely to be privately-educated. Tend to be taller with better figures.

1) Go for your life. They prefer white guys but if you're Westernised enough, you're in. Her friends aren't going to give her shit for it.

2) They're most likely of the three camps to be involved in sports, outdoor and gym culture. You have much less obesity as a result. Some will be muscular and big-boned.

I can vouch that this is pretty much spot on regarding Asian girls in Australia.

Regarding the FOB Asian girls, I've had a lot of success with them. In fact, they're the only demographic I game these days as the majority of the other girls here are rubbish.

It's true that they tend to stick mostly to themselves, and this is due mostly to linguistic and cultural reasons. However, this just means that when you open a FOB Asian girl, a lot of times they will be very receptive as they will be curious about your life.

[Deluge]

Born and bred Asian girls here have worse attitudes then non-bogan Anglo girls in my experience, always acting like they have a stick up their butt. The whole 5's acting like 10's thing is worst among them. In general I find them harder to bang than the white girls even once accounting for attractiveness. The FOB ones are thin and very feminine but they're mostly ethnic Chinese, who aren't much to write home about. I know the yellow fever Asia experts on RVF like to say the Chinese are the least attractive Asians, I believe them. The (entirely 2nd or 3rd generation) Vietnamese girls are hot though. I know Sydney has some Koreans.

I agree with tonipepperoni's diagnosis of false optimism about Australian guys, but it's probably healthy. After all you can either leave or make the most of a bad situation and 90%+ guys aren't going to expatriate. A lot of guys will complain about the women and use that as an excuse to rationalize their lack of game and/or success as means of ego preservation. You'll do better sure but it's not like a guy who is involuntarily celibate here is going to suddenly start banging dimes left and right if he moves to Poland, but a lot of pickup guys here have that mental masturbatory fantasy. I know more than a few guys who bitch endlessly about the girls here and are always talking about how much better girls in Eastern Europe are even though they've never actually been themselves, none of them get laid with any regularity.

[tonipepperoni]

(08-21-2014 03:46 AM)Biologist Wrote:  

(08-20-2014 12:51 PM)tonipepperoni Wrote:  

Most Aussie guys on here can't give decent perspective because they simply haven't had the opportunity to get out of the solitary country of Australia

90% of Australians do Italy (Rome), Paris, Amsterdam, London, Berlin, Barcelona, Croatia (Trip)... the furthest they'll venture out to slavic countries is Prague.

There are some who venture out to the east, but barely know precise areas to meet beautiful women -- meeting local women in europe isn't exactly easy in the above locations (excluding london).

For example an Aussie guy will most likely never encounter a Berlin local or have a ONS with a Berliner. For the most part he'll be gaming some American girl in the hostel and will be fairly inseparable from the hostel crowd and comfort base, while exhibiting cocky aloof peacock mannerisms. Meeting local talent in Rome is like winning the lottery -- it's simply isn't likely for the Australian guy.

Aussie guys lack social intelligence when it comes to Europe (in point in fact, most tourists do). I even met a bogan in Poland who decided to go to a live music venue instead of going to the best clubs.. by the end of the night he was 8 vodkas deep and doing flips like a lap dog for a below par Belgian girl he met in the Hostel -- meanwhile beautiful women walkin in high heels around the city centre, everywhere.

So I stress it again -- for the most part it's an extremely filtered experience. Going from one landmark to the next, one hostel with a group of tourists to the next, taking selfies to say you've been to Paris, sharing all the derivative memories to all the mates back in 'Straya via facebook.

Then there's the packaged muscle tours to S.E.Asia wearing fluro cotton on singlets with the 4 pack of gym buddies who've put on 10kg of raw muscle (after consuming roughly 400 dollars worth of supplements) specifically for that trip.

Do you think a 4 day trip to Paris, for a typical Australian male, reasonably qualifies as a decent survey of Parisian women? It's completely retarded to think so.

[tonipepperoni]

(08-21-2014 04:43 AM)Deluge Wrote:  

I agree with tonipepperoni's diagnosis of false optimism about Australian guys, but it's probably healthy. After all you can either leave or make the most of a bad situation and 90%+ guys aren't going to expatriate. A lot of guys will complain about the women and use that as an excuse to rationalize their lack of game and/or success as means of ego preservation. You'll do better sure but it's not like a guy who is involuntarily celibate here is going to suddenly start banging dimes left and right if he moves to Poland, but a lot of pickup guys here have that mental masturbatory fantasy. I know more than a few guys who bitch endlessly about the girls here and are always talking about how much better girls in Eastern Europe are even though they've never actually been themselves, none of them get laid with any regularity.

It isn't healthy. You need a certain level of anguish to get out of a place like Australia. If you look at Rooshv's writing he writes with a certain level of cognitive dissonance about his opportunities in Washington DC.

False optimism has it's place i.e. 'State' conditioning inside a club, but it leads to really poor life decisions over the long term i.e. spending your entire 20s in a place like Australia.

I didn't come to these conclusions simply cos I wasn't getting a notch a month with an attractive feminine girl. I came to these conclusions after initially moving overseas for completely other reasons, and realising my dating opportunities increased 10 fold.

At that point in time I did not think I would be leaving Australia.

My impressions about my social value overseas were initially stupid: "maybe it's because I'm a foreigner", but over time I simply realised that the lack of competition breeds more feminine attractive women who are more interested in me.

Being in a sausage sizzle like Australia is self-defeatist for many reasons:
1) Even if you're 9/10 in looks + game and sleep with attractive women regularly, they'll still have masculine personalities relative to Europe.
2) High competition areas spoil the game. Don't fool yourself with apparent girl next door types, they all got ganged at schoolies. Australian women are sexually traumatized creatures and the bruises cause them to have a tough exterior. Almost all of them are batting beyond their 'real' social value and have certain expectations/ego/entitlements. So even if you do bag a stunner, she'll have phantom memories of giving a blowie to Brad the Queensland Red's player.
3) High male competition also breeds a type of woman with reflexive political inclinations -- aussie bitches are mostly progressives.
4) Non-universal game -- cocky aloof peacocking that works with aussie girls doesn't particularly work here.

[Rush87]

^^ You're correct about a large portion of the Australian population - but I'm also of the belief that letting the quality of female dictate where you live is particularly unhealthy.

Standard of living in Australia is high. The women on average are not. Are there feminine females? Yes - Especially in the higher class social circles. Will guys without Australian connections find them? No.

On average the women aren't great, but the rule still applies. If you aren't banging at home, you won't bang overseas.

[Deluge]

(08-21-2014 05:56 AM)tonipepperoni Wrote:  

It isn't healthy. You need a certain level of anguish to get out of a place like Australia. If you look at Rooshv's writing he writes with a certain level of cognitive dissonance about his opportunities in Washington DC.

Sure, but the vast majority will never expatriate though, even RVF guys. And most guys who do go primarily for career reasons (and even they go disproportionately to the U.K). My point is you can either make the most of a bad situation or you can leave, or do the former while gearing up to do the later.

The problem is most guys are doing neither.

[Que enspastic]

tonipepperoni picking on Australians for not travelling better or not appreciating that their girls are outclassed is dumb.


Firstly, Londoners I work with think it"s weird I travelled to Poland, have plans for Hungary and will set my mind on Ukraine and Romania in the future. Where do they go? Ibiza (50% of the office), Cornwall, Mallorca, Magaluf, Falaraki, Rome. When they go to Eastern Europe it"s for stag and hen parties.

No one in Melbourne would blink an eye if you told them you were going to Poland or Nicaragua or Estonia, etc. It would be seen as completely normal. The more obscure, the better.

My London office has a terrible knowledge of geography. I would have thought it would be far better considering how close they are to the continent and given they are all educated professionals living in a dynamic capital city.

The fact is Australians also hit party places like Bali, Thailand, Greek Islands.

And Australians also hit up big cities like New York, Berlin, Paris, London

Which means we"re absolutely everywhere in numbers that are disproportionate to our population of only 23m.

The whole 3rd wave coffee culture is yuppifying swathes of big cities overseas. And it"s primarily Australians and New Zealanders who are pushing it.


Secondly, Australian guys don"t need to expatriate to Berlin to realise the girls are hotter. In Poland or Colombia, every Australian guy you will meet knows that the girls in these countries are hotter than back home. Hell, even those who never leave Australia quickly realise that the Scandinavian, German and Colombiana backpacker chicks are hotter - guys prefer the tourists over the locals.

About needing to live there to appreciate it, I remember going to Stockholm Airport on the way to St. Petersburg in 2005 when I was still a teenager. Guess how long it took me to work out Swedish and Russian girls were ridiculously more attractive on average than Australian girls - half a day max. I was shell shocked.

If Australian guys are staying in hostels and not getting laid because they"re not on Air BnB it"s probably because they have limited funds and have to choose between travelling for longer and cheaper, or travelling in better style for a shorter period of time.

Every backpacker regardless of nationality has to weigh up the return on investment.

Roosh V Forum members are obviously going to put a higher premium on pussy and high value experiences - particularly those who are in the workforce and don"t have the time to take off work. Alternatively, Roosh V Forum members who can work remotely can afford to lock up long term accommodation at prices that aren"t realistic for short term visitors.

[tonipepperoni]

(08-21-2014 06:50 AM)Rush87 Wrote:  

^^ You're correct about a large portion of the Australian population - but I'm also of the belief that letting the quality of female dictate where you live is particularly unhealthy.

Standard of living in Australia is high. The women on average are not. Are there feminine females? Yes - Especially in the higher class social circles. Will guys without Australian connections find them? No.

On average the women aren't great, but the rule still applies. If you aren't banging at home, you won't bang overseas.

Have you lived outside of Australia? Just wondering.

Firstly, I would recommend living in several cities in different parts of the world to prioritize what matters to you. I have a location independent income source. I could practically live anywhere in the world. I chose where I am because it suits me.

A place like Singapore has a high standard of living, nice weather, dining.. but it's a repressive Nanny state.

How are you able to contextualise femininity?

Have you ever seen what happens to a feminine european girl when she goes to Australia?

A woman ONLY has the competitive need to be feminine if she has low social value despite being attractive or if she's completely ignorant of her social value.

[Deluge]

(08-21-2014 07:12 AM)Que enspastic Wrote:  

No one in Melbourne would blink an eye if you told them you were going to Poland or Nicaragua or Estonia, etc. It would be seen as completely normal. The more obscure, the better.

True that. A lot of young people lately brag about visiting Eastern Europe (or more correctly, the Slavic countries in Central Europe) to imply superiority over the Contiki crowd. No doubt Melbournian's over the top obsession with Berlin next door has something to do with it. Neukölln even has a cafe called Melbourne Canteen now...

@tonipepperoni I don't see the point in your last post, Rush87 doesn't disagree with what you're saying. It seems now like you're just trying to brag about how well-traveled you are.

[Rush87]

I've spent the better part of my 20's overseas. While there are perks to having a larger portion of female 6's to 8's that are feminine they aren't my main priority. For many however this ranks at number 1.

Standard of living in Australia is for myself personally, superior to Europe. Our women aren't in the same ball park, but I'm also no longer 18. In this regard, whilst the availability of feminine female 8's is sparse - My lifestyle, social circle & background gives me access to this niche market.

While this may not be ideal for the man looking for bulk access to feminine women in all locations, I'm content with a smaller market.

[tonipepperoni]

(08-21-2014 07:12 AM)Que enspastic Wrote:  

tonipepperoni picking on Australians for not travelling better or not appreciating that their girls are outclassed is dumb.


Firstly, Londoners I work with think it"s weird I travelled to Poland, have plans for Hungary and will set my mind on Ukraine and Romania in the future. Where do they go? Ibiza (50% of the office), Cornwall, Mallorca, Magaluf, Falaraki, Rome. When they go to Eastern Europe it"s for stag and hen parties.

No one in Melbourne would blink an eye if you told them you were going to Poland or Nicaragua or Estonia, etc. It would be seen as completely normal. The more obscure, the better.

My London office has a terrible knowledge of geography. I would have thought it would be far better considering how close they are to the continent and given they are all educated professionals living in a dynamic capital city.

The fact is Australians also hit party places like Bali, Thailand, Greek Islands.

And Australians also hit up big cities like New York, Berlin, Paris, London

Which means we"re absolutely everywhere in numbers that are disproportionate to our population of only 23m.

The whole 3rd wave coffee culture is yuppifying swathes of big cities overseas. And it"s primarily Australians and New Zealanders who are pushing it.


Secondly, Australian guys don"t need to expatriate to Berlin to realise the girls are hotter. In Poland or Colombia, every Australian guy you will meet knows that the girls in these countries are hotter than back home. Hell, even those who never leave Australia quickly realise that the Scandinavian, German and Colombiana backpacker chicks are hotter - guys prefer the tourists over the locals.

About needing to live there to appreciate it, I remember going to Stockholm Airport on the way to St. Petersburg in 2005 when I was still a teenager. Guess how long it took me to work out Swedish and Russian girls were ridiculously more attractive on average than Australian girls - half a day max. I was shell shocked.

If Australian guys are staying in hostels and not getting laid because they"re not on Air BnB it"s probably because they have limited funds and have to choose between travelling for longer and cheaper, or travelling in better style for a shorter period of time.

Every backpacker regardless of nationality has to weigh up the return on investment.

Roosh V Forum members are obviously going to put a higher premium on pussy and high value experiences - particularly those who are in the workforce and don"t have the time to take off work. Alternatively, Roosh V Forum members who can work remotely can afford to lock up long term accommodation at prices that aren"t realistic for short term visitors.

The point is that Australian men cannot contextualise their own social value relative to the world market, and cannot contextualise their own womens social value.

St Petersburg and Stockholm are unusual locations for an Australian.

Berlin however is a prime example of a city where the talent and social value of an Australian male is substantially better than any Australian city. But a 4 day trip isn't enough for an Australian male to question his dating opportunities back home in Australia or be critical of his own women relative to the standard of Berlin. Berlin is a gentrified city where most of the locals have been pushed away from the center, every second bar is a quasi tourist trap (this goes for restaurants too), and inner city dwellers have been replaced with hipsters/tatted-up-muff-divers from all around germany and america.

Living there is a completely different experience to having stayed there for 4 days which is what most Australian males do. My point is, most Australian males are fairly comfortable gaming the hostel girls and aren't really up to meet the local talent.

Do you know what kind of cum-downs an Australian male will experience if he actually met a beautiful girl in stureplan and went home with her and had a flight scheduled to go back to Melbourne the next day? I have. It was depressing.

That sort of 'redpill' experience or anguish will not be experienced by your typical Australian male because A) They do not know how to get on the guestlist in stureplan B) They wont go out to stureplan, most likely follow hostel mates to some shitty bar in gamla or the hipster isle. C) And suppose they did, they will probably be terrified by the raw talent and male to female ratio that he will be too spoiled for choice and completely freeze in the moment or become so 'high' in the euphoria of validation that he will never succomb to actual sex. D) Stockholm is an unusual choice for Strayan's.

At most the typical aussie male will go to sweden and think 'Nice blonde birds, people seem a bit uptight, cold, same prices as 'straya, nice landscape' and then be done with it. The experience never ever results in a heightened sense of awareness or dissonance towards Australia.

Brits are, in their own right, a joke. But at the very least, if you're a Londoner, and frequent places like Mayfair, you will be exposed to a certain pedigree of women who are generally more sociable than their Melbourne equivalent.

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(08-21-2014 07:28 AM)Rush87 Wrote:  

I've spent the better part of my 20's overseas. While there are perks to having a larger portion of female 6's to 8's that are feminine they aren't my main priority. For many however this ranks at number 1.

Standard of living in Australia is for myself personally, superior to Europe. Our women aren't in the same ball park, but I'm also no longer 18. In this regard, whilst the availability of feminine female 8's is sparse - My lifestyle, social circle & background gives me access to this niche market.

While this may not be ideal for the man looking for bulk access to feminine women in all locations, I'm content with a smaller market.

Be specific on what places you stayed in. Living in a place like Belgium doesn't exactly give you specific rewards that make the expatriate life worth it.

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(08-21-2014 07:25 AM)Deluge Wrote:  

(08-21-2014 07:12 AM)Que enspastic Wrote:  

No one in Melbourne would blink an eye if you told them you were going to Poland or Nicaragua or Estonia, etc. It would be seen as completely normal. The more obscure, the better.

@tonipepperoni I don't see the point in your last post, Rush87 doesn't disagree with what you're saying. It seems now like you're just trying to brag about how well-traveled you are.

I'm only asking him to contextualise his experiences. Stating words like 'feminine' is kind of naive if you've spent the majority of your life in Western Europe or the anglosphere.