[The Beast1]

(02-09-2014 05:51 AM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

(02-05-2014 10:29 PM)dreambig Wrote:  

I used to be the skinny guy who got laid anyway and argued that muscle doesn't matter.

Let's just say that I was totally wrong.

At 6'2 and 200 lbs I'm by no means "big", but the difference in attention is huge.

IMO the only guys with the right to comment are the ones who have made the full transition.

Personally, my biggest friends all get laid like crazy. And this is in Asia where muscles aren't supposed to matter.

We can't trust what women say they like in a man, especially as there's a lot research that shows that a womea's concept of what she likes is fluid, and largely-dependant on the man she's currently with. And I'd agree men need to experience both being 'fit' and being 'big' for themselves and go with whatever gets the notches for them.

I added about 10kgs (22lbs) of muscle in the back half of last year, which took me up to 220lbs. Girls kept calling me a 'beast'. The ugly 5-and-unders, and the overinflated, bitchy 6-7 range seemed to get resentful and pre-filtered themselves out from any real world conversations with me when they're with their friends, which was all right with me, but damn, do they look as they sip their frapps, and if you have to social interact with them isolated from their circle, then they're all big eyes.

Day game improved greatly. The prettier women were very friendly and polite. An 8.5 opened me in the Health Food Store, asking for 'nutritional advice', and swung that into a training session by the lake here and a few weeks of post-workout banging. Tiny-waisted women would talk to me in the supermarket, opening me by asking if I could reach something on a high shelf for them. Girl game recognised. A lot more pokes and jokey 'plausible-deniability' flirting from girls in my circle and on Facebook too.

There were also instances of random sexual come-ons where women would simply decide they wanted me to fuck them. This'll sound like crap, but I'm sure the bigger guys will recognise the random shit that happens.

- A chick rubbing up against my cock in an elevator. Didn't bang - ugly.

- At a concert, a tidy blonde walked past, looked at me, came back, threw her arms around me and said "I'm coming home with you." Saw no reason to argue. Banged.

- A girl stopped me in the street and said they needed a male stripper for a friend's bachelorette party, and would I be interested, but she'd need a 'private show' first to see if I was any good. Banged.

- The early 20's temp at work corned me in the copy room at my previous job and started talking how she was studying 'Reiki massage' and needed someone to practice on, if I'd like to come around one night, coupled with stroking my arms and arse, with me praying one of the lesbo haired HR bitches didn't wander past. It was literally the first time she'd spoken to me in 3 weeks of her working there, and that's what she opened with. Banged, but after she stopped working for us. I don't shit where I eat.

- A note tucked into the seat on my bike with a number promising 'the best blowjob of your life', which I never rang. Suspected it was a dude.

- A mate's neighbour takes in his washing during a dust storm, rewashes it for him, then hangs it on his line a few minutes after we both return. She bends to the basket and hangs, over and over, short summer dress with no-underwear. Her husband was at work. Didn't bang, but he did. Smokin' hot, but batshit crazy. She told him during sex she'd take on both of us if I wanted and she was into being beaten and autoerotic asphyxiation.

I suspect extreme size makes thirsty girls who hunger for dominance act out irrationally.

Slimmed back down over December for health reasons. Down to about 200 now with lower body fat. Life seems less like a porno.

That is exactly the size that I want to get to. I want life to be a porno those stories are the best.

[Distant Light]

(02-09-2014 05:51 AM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

(02-05-2014 10:29 PM)dreambig Wrote:  

I used to be the skinny guy who got laid anyway and argued that muscle doesn't matter.

Let's just say that I was totally wrong.

At 6'2 and 200 lbs I'm by no means "big", but the difference in attention is huge.

IMO the only guys with the right to comment are the ones who have made the full transition.

Personally, my biggest friends all get laid like crazy. And this is in Asia where muscles aren't supposed to matter.

We can't trust what women say they like in a man, especially as there's a lot research that shows that a womea's concept of what she likes is fluid, and largely-dependant on the man she's currently with. And I'd agree men need to experience both being 'fit' and being 'big' for themselves and go with whatever gets the notches for them.

I added about 10kgs (22lbs) of muscle in the back half of last year, which took me up to 220lbs. Girls kept calling me a 'beast'. The ugly 5-and-unders, and the overinflated, bitchy 6-7 range seemed to get resentful and pre-filtered themselves out from any real world conversations with me when they're with their friends, which was all right with me, but damn, do they look as they sip their frapps, and if you have to social interact with them isolated from their circle, then they're all big eyes.

Day game improved greatly. The prettier women were very friendly and polite. An 8.5 opened me in the Health Food Store, asking for 'nutritional advice', and swung that into a training session by the lake here and a few weeks of post-workout banging. Tiny-waisted women would talk to me in the supermarket, opening me by asking if I could reach something on a high shelf for them. Girl game recognised. A lot more pokes and jokey 'plausible-deniability' flirting from girls in my circle and on Facebook too.

There were also instances of random sexual come-ons where women would simply decide they wanted me to fuck them. This'll sound like crap, but I'm sure the bigger guys will recognise the random shit that happens.

- A chick rubbing up against my cock in an elevator. Didn't bang - ugly.

- At a concert, a tidy blonde walked past, looked at me, came back, threw her arms around me and said "I'm coming home with you." Saw no reason to argue. Banged.

- A girl stopped me in the street and said they needed a male stripper for a friend's bachelorette party, and would I be interested, but she'd need a 'private show' first to see if I was any good. Banged.

- The early 20's temp at work corned me in the copy room at my previous job and started talking how she was studying 'Reiki massage' and needed someone to practice on, if I'd like to come around one night, coupled with stroking my arms and arse, with me praying one of the lesbo haired HR bitches didn't wander past. It was literally the first time she'd spoken to me in 3 weeks of her working there, and that's what she opened with. Banged, but after she stopped working for us. I don't shit where I eat.

- A note tucked into the seat on my bike with a number promising 'the best blowjob of your life', which I never rang. Suspected it was a dude.

- A mate's neighbour takes in his washing during a dust storm, rewashes it for him, then hangs it on his line a few minutes after we both return. She bends to the basket and hangs, over and over, short summer dress with no-underwear. Her husband was at work. Didn't bang, but he did. Smokin' hot, but batshit crazy. She told him during sex she'd take on both of us if I wanted and she was into being beaten and autoerotic asphyxiation.

I suspect extreme size makes thirsty girls who hunger for dominance act out irrationally.

Slimmed back down over December for health reasons. Down to about 200 now with lower body fat. Life seems less like a porno.

Ha!! I guess my skinny ass should bulk up on some muscle

Curious as to where you live?

Hanging in the high fashion and hipster scene it's rare to see muscular guys with an exception of a FEW people. Regardless to do any of this for the sake of "women" specifically would be a waste of time.

[Screwston]

Kieran how tall are you and how much do you weigh? You should wear a wife beater and see if anything happens.

[Kieran]

I'm 6 feet tall and weigh around 154. I have 28-29 inch waist depending on time of day, 40 inch chest, and about 15 inch arms. I'm quite small but look kind of complete. I'd like my upper chest to be a little better, but that is improving massively since I started following Dante Trudell's advice to train an overhead pressing movement as the main movement on push day, with some chest work on a low incline as assistance. Legs are skinny as fuck.

I don't like wearing sleeveless tops as I don't really feel comfortable, also I really feel the cold, even in summer due to having such low body-fat. I think if I put photos on my facebook or online then I could get results, but that's not really me, and I don't do online dating anyway.

[eradicator]

(01-30-2014 08:34 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  

(01-30-2014 08:13 AM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

I've never been on that level but I assume it's hard to maintain. I feel like the more time you spend improving yourself physically the less time you spend improving yourself mentally. I'm a pretty witty and sharp guy but anytime I've spent working out long term I feel like my game suffered. Yes you get more looks and attention. I've even been approached outright. But at the same time I felt kind of self obsessed and dumb at the same time. It's hard to describe.

That's an excuse, and a bad one.

It really doesn't take much time to build a good physique, as far as hours per week or day. 3-6 hours in the gym per week is more than enough. It does take long term consistency though. People vastly overestimate the hours per week it takes to build a nice body.

How much time do you spend fucking off on the RVF each week? I'm sure you could find time to improve both physically and mentally if you wanted to.

Yeah, I was going to say this but then thought about it, there are guys that really do spend 6 hours a day in the gym, 6 days a week. i was doing that in college for a time and I really was too single minded.

if that is what you are doing to try to beef up, I could totally see it becoming overkill and hurting your game.

[WanderingSoul]

I don't think even Arnold in his prime spent 6 hours per day, 6 days per week lifting. And he was known to put in serious hours.

I highly doubt you were lifting for 6 hours a day, 6 days a week like you say. You may have been at the gym for 6 hours, but you were fucking off for the large majority of that time.

[General Mayhem]

(02-09-2014 11:48 AM)soup Wrote:  

Aside from being a real muscle man like what Mikecf is describing, I think a lot of physique is about how you carry yourself.

You need to look dominant. You have to look like you could easily dominate the girl physically, and at least hold your own against other guys, if not dominate them too.

I wonder what it would look like to see a guy who had big muscles but terrible body language and frame.

If it came down to it, I'd rather have less muscle and excellent, non/reactive body language, than to be big but have bad body language.

I still think it's good to have muscles, especially if you are gaming girls who grew up in a situation where having muscles was a signal of power.

Where I am, it can help but is not necessary. A lot of girls in NYC are going for vibe, facial looks, fashion, etc. Most girls I know would take a guy with a model/actor face and low muscle mass to an average looking guy with big muscles. They want to be with someone who looks famous.

This is spot on. Especially the parts I bolded.

I will say that sheer muscle mass isn't nearly as important as having a good V-taper from your chest to your waist. If you have that I think you are set at almost any bodyweight.

The key when you are just stacked is to have an awesome juxtaposition. It helps break the jock/meathead stereotype. My thing is good cloths, namely tailored dress-shirts. In college there are a decent number of dudes who are stacked, and a decent number of dudes who try to dress nice.

When you do both you are in that famous-looking category you talked about. When you are around people who dress well you will stand out because you are stacked, and when you are around people who are stacked you will stand out because you dress well. I'm not sure if this holds true elsewhere, but it is what I have seen in college.

[AntiTrace]

tl;dr. Gained 24 lbs. Increase in lays, respect, and health. No foreseeable point of diminishing returns.

(02-12-2014 02:17 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  

I don't think even Arnold in his prime spent 6 hours per day, 6 days per week lifting. And he was known to put in serious hours.

I highly doubt you were lifting for 6 hours a day, 6 days a week like you say. You may have been at the gym for 6 hours, but you were fucking off for the large majority of that time.

In the past year I've done no more than 6 hours at the gym a week. Normally no more than a mon/wed/fri split of 1-1.5 hours per day.

I'll weigh in with a bit of my experience.

~12 months ago - 5'7" 148lbs. I wasn't a jacked 148. I was a skinny guy. That was pretty much my build my entire life. I've always gotten laid. My ex wife was around 8.5-9 (in her prime, when I was with her and before I left her). Had a 8-8.5 LTR. Nothing crazy, but enough to keep me satisfied.

Today - 5' 7" 172 lbs. Thats 24 lbs. The majority of that being muscle. I no longer fit in my old clothes. I bought some jeans about 6 months ago that dont fit anymore, my upper legs are getting too big. I have a 7.5-8 regular. A few other ones here and there. Again nothing crazy but I haven't gamed much recently due to focusing on improving other aspects.

Heres some things I noticed.

1. I get eye fucked. A lot. Especially when wearing tighter shirts/v necks. I am pumped for summer to roll around when I will be in even better shape(I plan on starting to focus on reducing body fat March 1st) and be able to rock a wife beater.

2. More confident.

3. Girls open me. The other day a barista at a coffee shop poked me in my side as she walked by. Working on securing that bang.

4. I get more respect from co-workers. I wrote a bit back about going out with co-workers for the night. Long story short, I was pulling girls into our group the whole night and was the only one that pulled. I've become known as "the guy who gets laid all the time".

Well now that I can lift more than all but maybe 3-4 guys, I get even more respect from the guys. The guys that I can outlift now ask me how what the hell happened. The guys that can outlift me consider me a weightlifting equal and will talk about routines and offer to workout together.

5. Ugly/fat chicks haven't been trying to talk to me as much. I guess they figure I'm out of their league. Which I always was, but I digress.

6. Girls have stopped mid sex to look and say "Damn!" or something a long those lines. They have also called me "buff" or made comments about my muscles. It confused me at first because at 172 I'm still around 15% body fat, so I'm not crazy defined and ripped or anything.

7. I've become a lot healthier overall. When I was skinny I could care less about going on a weekend drinking binge and eating shitty. Now that throws off my diet and slows down my gains. It is so demoralizing to go into the gym and have all my lifts go down while at the same time losing 2-3 lbs on the scale, so I rarely binge drink and now I take a complete set of vitamins (animal pack + extra zinc) and have healthy diet (3 balanced meals, 3500ish calorie diet).

8. I have much less of a desire to jerk off. Not sure why. Now when I do bang, I cum buckets. Its probably due to my body getting the nutrients it needs from a balanced diet and abstaining from masturbation.

9. I no longer make excuses for anything. I used to think I was a "hard gainer" and it wasn't worth the effort to try to gain weight. I never tried, I just assumed it wasn't. Then I tried to gain weight, and realized I was full of shit of being a hard gainer. It opened my eyes to other aspects of my life.

10. Some girls see me as nothing more than a good opportunity to fuck. I banged a chick in the backseat of my truck in a parking lot with 4-5 people walking around. I had known her for less than an hour. She told me she made her decision to fuck me almost immediately open seeing me. I didn't need game, I just needed not to fuck up.

Pros: Everything listed and more.

Cons:
-Out grew old clothes. Need a wardrobe update. I can't button my suit jackets anymore.
-I can actually understand body dysmorphism. I know I'm not a huge guy, but I'm also no longer a skinny guy. Everything I look in the mirror, I still see the skinny guy.



Is there a point of diminishing point? Lets define it:

Quote:

A yield rate that after a certain point fails to increase proportionately to additional outlays of capital or investments of time and labor.

So outlays of capitals or investment of time/labor.

Capital: I spend ~150 a month on supplements. Thats a preworkout, protein, and vitamins. The bulk of it being protein. My gym membership is free. My drinking has gone down which is saving some money.

Time: as I mentioned earlier I don't spend more than 4.5 hours per week max (3 days at 1.5 hours, I normally don't go past 1 hour).

Labor: time and labor kind of fall into the same category. I'll define labor as the post-workout effects: i.e. soreness affecting other aspects of life. Sometimes I'm sore and its a pain in the ass going up stairs or doing some work related tasks, but it is negligible.

So 22.5 hours and $150 a month (which is reduced to due less drinking and shit food like burger king) is my investment into working out. With such a small commitment I don't see any signs of diminishing returns in my foreseeable future.

[Mentavious]

Anti trace I feel you.

I still see that skinny kid during high school/college when I look into the mirror.

I'm now 218 at 6'3". Compliments come left and right but I don't see it. At least that keeps my motivation levels on high all the time.

[StrengthBySonny]

In my experience, being jacked absolutely helps getting girls.

But you make an interesting point, there have been times when some girls may have been intimidated or just not down for a guy like me. They grew up dating more feminine dudes and that's what they are comfortable with.

I noticed this in college, where some chicks just preferred skinny dudes. These were the skinny conservative taylor swift looking chicks. It didn't matter though because I'm just not as attracted to these types of chicks.

The ones that were really down were the chicks with more of a body and were just more aggressive/adventurous in general... athletic chicks with some nice thickness. It was great for me because that's exactly what I am attracted to

I wouldn't put much thought into it other than that. Just lift weights for you and know that it absolutely makes life better in a lot of ways... getting chicks being one of them.

[PoosyWrecker]

As an ectomorph I just wanted to say to all the guys out there who believe they're genetic hardgainers - Lift Intensely! You can't just get to the point where you feel the burn and then leave the gym feeling 'pumped up' if you want to make progress. I barely made progress until I started lifting like this: you need to feel like you're losing your fucking mind on your last rep, every training session must be an hour long emotional rollercoaster, leaving the gym should give you the feeling of reincarnation as a greater being.

[EuroSlumming]

I wonder whether the whole ectomorph, endomorph thing is really true or just some bro science, it is so widely entrenched/believed that nobody questions it. Is it the guy equivalent of a chick who claims she's fat for some genetic/medical reason?

After some quick googling here is what Wikipedia has to say on the man who invented these terms:

William Herbert Sheldon, Jr. (November 19, 1898 - September 17, 1977) was an American psychologist and numismatist. He created the field of somatotype and constitutional psychology that tried to correlate body types with behavior, intelligence and social hierarchy through his Ivy League nude posture photos.[1] However, his work is generally dismissed by modern researchers.[2]

[HungWeiLo]

I think I want to come at this from an opposite angle; and since this is my first post, a little history. I've always been big (tallest kid in my class all through high school) but I was also the fattest. When I came into high school as a Freshman I was pushing 280 on a 6'4" frame. I was big and broad and was a pretty good pitcher even at that weight. I've always been a great athlete even at my biggest. As a Senior I said fuck it and lost 45 pounds just be eating less shitty. When I went to college I maintained that weight but was still beta as hell. Didnt get laid in college mainly due to being beta, and I had wanted to save it for marriage. I graduated college and got a good job in Orange County and thankfully my company had a gym on site otherwise I may not have gone at all. I'm now 26, still 6'4" lifting consistently and eating right and am down to 225. I'm getting looks I've never seen before and responses i couldn't have dreamed of before.
I took the red pill about 4 months ago and havent looked back. I'm going to Europe (Istanbul, Madrid, Barcelona, Prague, and Budapest) and SE Asia (Bangkok) for a month this summer and (my other hobby is miles and points so the trip in business class and some of the hotels are essentially free) I'm working on getting to 215 or less by July. I've never had a problem talking to women and carrying conversations; and I've called a brilliant conversationalist several times by women, primarily because I can talk about anything with some degree knowledge, but before I took the pill, I didn't talk with the intention of getting number, or a make out, or a lay; now I do. As I said, I'm new to this world, but I'm smart, i'm motivated, and i'm interested in experiencing as much of life as I can (ideally with beautiful quality women). I'm lifting and training for myself but as Gordon Gecko said, greed is good, and i'm getting greedy with my life and trying to maximize it as much as possible. This may have been minorly off topic, but this thread seemed like the perfect place fot my first contribution.

[HungWeiLo]

I also agree with the body dysmorphism. I still ser the fat kid when I go to the gym and that will probably not change, regardless of the complements, and looks I receive.

[Stun]

We don't need to speculate about this, it's been studied scientifically. They didn't ask women what they like, rather they inquiried about partner history.

The study shows that muscular men have more short-term, volatile (read: pump and dump) relationships with women than men of any other body type.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w...7Kl1clUKiA

[DVY]

I am 185lbs at 6''2'. Nowhere close to "too big".

[Nascimento]

(02-12-2014 12:49 PM)AntiTrace Wrote:  

tl;dr. Gained 24 lbs. Increase in lays, respect, and health. No foreseeable point of diminishing returns.

(02-12-2014 02:17 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  

I don't think even Arnold in his prime spent 6 hours per day, 6 days per week lifting. And he was known to put in serious hours.

I highly doubt you were lifting for 6 hours a day, 6 days a week like you say. You may have been at the gym for 6 hours, but you were fucking off for the large majority of that time.

In the past year I've done no more than 6 hours at the gym a week. Normally no more than a mon/wed/fri split of 1-1.5 hours per day.

I'll weigh in with a bit of my experience.

~12 months ago - 5'7" 148lbs. I wasn't a jacked 148. I was a skinny guy. That was pretty much my build my entire life. I've always gotten laid. My ex wife was around 8.5-9 (in her prime, when I was with her and before I left her). Had a 8-8.5 LTR. Nothing crazy, but enough to keep me satisfied.

Today - 5' 7" 172 lbs. Thats 24 lbs. The majority of that being muscle. I no longer fit in my old clothes. I bought some jeans about 6 months ago that dont fit anymore, my upper legs are getting too big. I have a 7.5-8 regular. A few other ones here and there. Again nothing crazy but I haven't gamed much recently due to focusing on improving other aspects.

Heres some things I noticed.

1. I get eye fucked. A lot. Especially when wearing tighter shirts/v necks. I am pumped for summer to roll around when I will be in even better shape(I plan on starting to focus on reducing body fat March 1st) and be able to rock a wife beater.

2. More confident.

3. Girls open me. The other day a barista at a coffee shop poked me in my side as she walked by. Working on securing that bang.

4. I get more respect from co-workers. I wrote a bit back about going out with co-workers for the night. Long story short, I was pulling girls into our group the whole night and was the only one that pulled. I've become known as "the guy who gets laid all the time".

Well now that I can lift more than all but maybe 3-4 guys, I get even more respect from the guys. The guys that I can outlift now ask me how what the hell happened. The guys that can outlift me consider me a weightlifting equal and will talk about routines and offer to workout together.

5. Ugly/fat chicks haven't been trying to talk to me as much. I guess they figure I'm out of their league. Which I always was, but I digress.

6. Girls have stopped mid sex to look and say "Damn!" or something a long those lines. They have also called me "buff" or made comments about my muscles. It confused me at first because at 172 I'm still around 15% body fat, so I'm not crazy defined and ripped or anything.

7. I've become a lot healthier overall. When I was skinny I could care less about going on a weekend drinking binge and eating shitty. Now that throws off my diet and slows down my gains. It is so demoralizing to go into the gym and have all my lifts go down while at the same time losing 2-3 lbs on the scale, so I rarely binge drink and now I take a complete set of vitamins (animal pack + extra zinc) and have healthy diet (3 balanced meals, 3500ish calorie diet).

8. I have much less of a desire to jerk off. Not sure why. Now when I do bang, I cum buckets. Its probably due to my body getting the nutrients it needs from a balanced diet and abstaining from masturbation.

9. I no longer make excuses for anything. I used to think I was a "hard gainer" and it wasn't worth the effort to try to gain weight. I never tried, I just assumed it wasn't. Then I tried to gain weight, and realized I was full of shit of being a hard gainer. It opened my eyes to other aspects of my life.

10. Some girls see me as nothing more than a good opportunity to fuck. I banged a chick in the backseat of my truck in a parking lot with 4-5 people walking around. I had known her for less than an hour. She told me she made her decision to fuck me almost immediately open seeing me. I didn't need game, I just needed not to fuck up.

Pros: Everything listed and more.

Cons:
-Out grew old clothes. Need a wardrobe update. I can't button my suit jackets anymore.
-I can actually understand body dysmorphism. I know I'm not a huge guy, but I'm also no longer a skinny guy. Everything I look in the mirror, I still see the skinny guy.



Is there a point of diminishing point? Lets define it:

Quote:

A yield rate that after a certain point fails to increase proportionately to additional outlays of capital or investments of time and labor.

So outlays of capitals or investment of time/labor.

Capital: I spend ~150 a month on supplements. Thats a preworkout, protein, and vitamins. The bulk of it being protein. My gym membership is free. My drinking has gone down which is saving some money.

Time: as I mentioned earlier I don't spend more than 4.5 hours per week max (3 days at 1.5 hours, I normally don't go past 1 hour).

Labor: time and labor kind of fall into the same category. I'll define labor as the post-workout effects: i.e. soreness affecting other aspects of life. Sometimes I'm sore and its a pain in the ass going up stairs or doing some work related tasks, but it is negligible.

So 22.5 hours and $150 a month (which is reduced to due less drinking and shit food like burger king) is my investment into working out. With such a small commitment I don't see any signs of diminishing returns in my foreseeable future.

[Remington]

(02-12-2014 05:02 PM)Mentavious Wrote:  

Anti trace I feel you.

I still see that skinny kid during high school/college when I look into the mirror.

I'm now 218 at 6'3". Compliments come left and right but I don't see it. At least that keeps my motivation levels on high all the time.

I feel the same exact way. When I was in high school, I was 6'6 and weighed 180lbs. I'm still the same height now, but my weight is around 240lbs. I still see that skinny puss in the mirror. Probably why I work out so hard. Even when I do reach my body weight goal (255-260), I'll probably still be seeing that skinny kid from high school haha.

[Bushido]

(02-13-2014 02:53 AM)PoosyWrecker Wrote:  

As an ectomorph I just wanted to say to all the guys out there who believe they're genetic hardgainers - Lift Intensely!

And eat more. Since I started eating tons of meat and drinking 2-3 litres of milk a day I've had no problems adding mass.

People love to blame genetics, even when they are talking about someone else's gains (or lack thereof).

When I was 150lbs: "Dude, you're an ectomorph. Maybe your genetics just aren't good for building muscle."

Now at 200lbs: "Damn bro, you have gotten big real quick. You must have great genetics for building muscle! Me on the other hand...I'm a hardgainer."

[PoosyWrecker]

(01-30-2014 11:32 AM)soup Wrote:  

Personally, I'm trying to work out more. I've always been skinny most of my life- not too athletic, and have relied on ther things to get laid, but I'm curious to get bigger. I don't know if I'll get hulk jacked but I definitely want to get more of the Hank Moody ottermode look at the very least. Especially because I'm losing my hair and need to compensate by building up another aspect of my physical appearance.

Since you're a committed vegetarian who keeps irregular work hours I'm looking forward to hearing about your regimen and results. It seems that a lot of people believe one's nutrition, workout timing, supplementation, protein intake have to be very precise in order to make gains, which I don't think is true.

[MunichSux]

Why is Burger King "Shit food" ? In general, your bf percentage will grow if you consume more calories than you burn or expendit, and will shrink if you consume less calories than your body needs -> the energy storage that is your fat cells needs to be recruited.

If I have daily need of 2,500 calories and don't want to either lose weight or gain bodyfat (rare enough, but some might!), what would be wrong about getting them from BK, KFC or McD ?

[Czar]

(02-14-2014 12:55 AM)MunichSux Wrote:  

Why is Burger King "Shit food" ? In general, your bf percentage will grow if you consume more calories than you burn or expendit, and will shrink if you consume less calories than your body needs -> the energy storage that is your fat cells needs to be recruited.

If I have daily need of 2,500 calories and don't want to either lose weight or gain bodyfat (rare enough, but some might!), what would be wrong about getting them from BK, KFC or McD ?

It's shit food because it has high fat/protein ratio. It also isn't an intelligent choice if you're trying to distribute your calorie intake in a way that keeps you happy throughout the day. You can eat your fast food but it implies you won't be eating much else the rest of the day and those nightime cravings can be a bitch.

[MunichSux]

OK, I understand. Seems my body has adapted well as I simply don't experience those cravings (never did actually !) and keep a reasonalbe bf ratio, the mirror at least says so !

[Deluge]

(02-14-2014 12:45 AM)PoosyWrecker Wrote:  

(01-30-2014 11:32 AM)soup Wrote:  

Personally, I'm trying to work out more. I've always been skinny most of my life- not too athletic, and have relied on ther things to get laid, but I'm curious to get bigger. I don't know if I'll get hulk jacked but I definitely want to get more of the Hank Moody ottermode look at the very least. Especially because I'm losing my hair and need to compensate by building up another aspect of my physical appearance.

Since you're a committed vegetarian

soup's a vegetarian? What?

[AneroidOcean]

(02-14-2014 07:13 AM)Deluge Wrote:  

soup's a vagetarian

Fixed that for you.