[FANATICAL]

I often travel to Thailand. I noticed while clubbing these two American girls so I sat near them and cranked up my Aussie accent and used the "aussie" words I don't normally use. Got things going with one of them who was married (which i thought was just fake to keep guys away) and as soon as her married winggirl friend got picked up by a Danish guy she started making out with me to keep up with her friend. In between making out she discussed her hubby and his job and her kids....

When we left, her friend left immediately to go get banged and she invited me to her hotel room.... This was pre red pill for me so I felt bad for the husband as he was Aussie like me, so I dropped her at hotel and told God he better bloody appreciate my sacrifice to the game.

Like the OP it was a shocking revelation to me that I could have banged this "wifey" who had two small kids so easily and that's about the time my blue pill started wearing off.

I always trust my gut now with girls. If my slut radar goes off about any type of behaviour then the girls going to be that way 9/10.

[WanderingSoul]

Had a girl come straight to my place from Tinder.

Banged her in five minutes flat.

After I blasted all over her she had to leave because her boyfriend was out of town on a short vacation and was going to call her soon.

I didn't even know she bad s BF, but apparently he was getting ready to move back to the US so their three year relationship was about to end, so in her mind it was justified that she cheated.

From the looks of her Line photo, they are still together and dude probably has no clue what a dirty little slut she is.

I might message her later.

[Conquerer7]

Met a girl at a club when I was a few months underage (17 for 18 in the UK). Only knew her first name. I don't even remember her face. Long blonde hair, decent tits and a sweet ass in white jeans. Brought her back to my home (parents weren't there) and she put me in raw. Went for a bit but then put a condom on when a minute later she tells me she wants me to put a baby inside her. Immediately out and just got her to blow me and swallow leaving nothing she could pull back up with her fingers. Thankfully my whiskey dick meant I wasn't getting hard with a condom so that's why I got her to blow me.

I would never let this happen again for obvious reasons (pre red pill) but this was a good few years ago now.

In the morning she is leaving to get the train then for her dad to pick her up. As she is walking out she reveals she is engaged to be married in a couple months time.

Never heard from her again and this set me on the path to finding game and the red pill at 19. Really opened up my mind to this sort of stuff at an early age.

[torridon747]

I fucked a girl one time I picked up via a random day approach. We end up at her house and she is a freak. Deepthroated my dick unprompted, tells me she likes being thrown around and choked to the point of being blue. The type of girl that when you say you're going to cum rushes to swallow your seed with an unholy speed. Oh and I brought condoms and she showed me her papers and birth control and insisted i go in raw.

Anyway we made plans to see eachother the next day she flakes so i checked her facebook. Some dude proposed to her the morning after. Not even 8 hours after she wad getting choked and thrown around by me.

That shit just changes you

[MaceTyrell]

I want to reach this depth.

But at the same time, ignorance is bliss. I guess it helps this chick I'm trying to turn into a plate has told me about the depraved shit she's done.

Getting burned is almost seeing like a necessary part of being ok with accepting Red Pill.

[MediumRare]

This shit no longer bothers me.

Reminds me of one of the girls I've been seeing since last September who is a going through a divorce.

She more than anyone i know typifies this duality in women, you would never pick her as the out and out slut she is.

In one respect she's this well spoken, polite middle class 31 year old momma of 2 pre school kids, pretty in a girl next door way but no stunner and not slutty looking at all.

Another facet to her though is an utter lack of personal integrity and she seems too dumb in some way to actually get it, yet shes not unintelligent.

I almost find it endearing because there is clearly no malice intended to anyone, she will just act according to her compulsions and then justify it away in her mind.

I realise that concept is not new to anyone here, but to be the other guy, without any feelings involved and see it so up close and personal, to the extent that she does, is slightly fascinating.

I call her out when she tries justifying her behaviour around me, and she laughs and pouts like a child saying don't be mean!

Some examples of her poor character;

-I fucked her 3 hours after meeting her in an Indian restaurant on a quiet Sunday night.

-I fucked her in the ass the 2nd or 3rd time I fucked her. Claimed it was her first orgasm from anal and that she'd never once let her husband do it for the 8 years of their relationship!
She justified it with "I don't think he'd have wanted to anyway"

-Admitted sleeping with her friends bf for 3 years behind her back when younger and attempting a 3 way with another old bf and his mate.

-Trickle truthed her notch count starting at 20 ish and ending up at 40 odd (then tried taking it back down again on later occasions lol)

-Openly says she wants all of their family home if she can through the divorce courts, because his parents have money, hers don't and she has to think of her kids. I call her a selfish cunt for this, she pouts.

-Let's me come in the house, tie her up, slap her about, fuck her stupid while her kids are asleep in the next room. This is the only thing that does bother me, I fear one of them walking in, but they seem to sleep well.



Now, she was mad keen on a relationship with me but oddly enough I wasn't so much, so start of December she drifted away and turns out started seeing another guy.

Despite this 2 month relationship, Iv fucked her twice since Christmas. She always orgasms 2 or 3 times but claims to have not had a single one with this guy!

And on both times after sex, she's laying naked asking me for relationship advice with this guy because she "really likes" him and values a mans viewpoint.
Last week I laughed and said "and yet here u are lying there, arse filled with my cum"
She laughs and pouts and says don't be mean!

She sometimes texts me asking what to text him back.

And yet...and yet...for all her horrible past and present behaviour, exactly the kind of demonised bitch western woman persona the manosohere hates on, she's a real person and I actually enjoy her company for the couple hours I'm there.

There is no malice there at all, she is just deeply unconscious of and has zero control over her base drivers and cannot help herself.

Around me she's sweet, submissive, girly, playful, brings me drinks n sweets, sex is super vigorous, strokes and kisses up to me after, never moody, needy or jealous, never plays games, seeks my advice on shit, etc etc. So I can't complain.

Thankfully, I have zero feelings for her beyond enjoying her sex and femininity every so often so I have no fear of being drawn into more or of letting her go at any time.

It's funny how time and a change of perspective can alter your feelings and emotional reaction to something.

[questor70]

This is an excellent thread because there are people on both sides of the fence here and there's merit to both arguments.

What does kind of bother me is...whatever happened to "bros before hoes"? Considering that red-pill overlaps a lot with mens's rights activism, shouldn't there be the least bit of empathy towards the guys who are wifing up sluts with cuckold cum still dripping from them?

I am talking about the specific scenario of the OP where the guy was clueless that the woman was engaged up until the moment of revelation. He didn't mention whether he interrogated her about whether she was truly single or not, and red-pill game suggests don't ask don't tell, but the fact is she never volunteered the information, and so both men here are equally innocent. She is the only guilty party here.

It bothers the original poster, and rightfully so.

I am not really down with throwing our fellow men under the bus simply for the sin of wanting to marry a woman. You guys have no idea how well this woman hides her tracks and it's not fair to just say "he should have known". It's not his responsibility to be clairvoyant. That's blaming the victim.

The right and wrong aspect here is about trust.

Also, so much of red-pill philosophy is anguish over women getting away with proverbial murder. If this scenario doesn't perfectly describe having your cake and eat it too, I don't know what does. Is red-pill ultimately fatalistic, suggesting we merely take it in the ass, or does it allow for any pushback whatsoever? She set herself up for a karma shit-storm and for him not to pull the trigger on it only further enables and normalizes this sort of behavior.

Even if the OP was down for a more casual relationship, a strong case can be made for him to intervene as a matter of "bros before hoes" principle. Of course, a shit-storm would result, but the source of the bad karma is clearly the woman and nobody else.

There's a certain nihilism in the gamer mindset that I am just not down with. You can be as disillusioned as you want about women's nature but lowering yourself to her level is nothing but a capitulation. Open relationships are fine, if those are the stated ground rules, but guys knowingly aiding and abetting cheating behavior is bad karma.

The other thing is to understand why women do this at all or don't feel guilty about it....

There are studies that show that women are less bothered by men having sex with other women than they are with those men developing emotional bonds with them. It's ironic because supposedly women are the keepers of the flame of defining sex and love as one and the same, but I think at least in the modern era they're just like men in creating a distinction between a main partner and side-dish sexcapades. Even so, it's not the act of polygamy that's at issue here, it's the broken trust and dishonesty.

It's one of my pet peeves to see someone get away with murder like this, and in a world where people just shrug their shoulders and say "hey, not my problem" we'll see a lot more of it. While it's true that the OP would catch some of the blowback, a real man™ would have the balls to torpedo the marriage. Some of this emphasis on risk-avoidance in red-pill is cowardly. A true alpha male should stand for something besides increasing his notch-count.

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Lastly, and this is something I'm realizing in my own personal experience, is that the kinds of women who are likely to be unfaithful like this suffer from boredom and go stir-crazy during their free time. Screwing around acts like a hobby or a time-killer for them. The only way to keep them from screwing around would be to give them more time than most guys who actually have a life have to spend. A lot of women's lives are so empty and they're so insecure that they just can't handle being home alone with nothing to do. I think the best way to avoid getting into these situations in the first place is to find a woman who has a healthy passion outside of work that keeps her occupied between dates. It just seems like more women than not are 9-5ers that can't think of anything else to do with their time off-hours than hit the bars and clubs.

[Steelex]

First time I got married, I had a threesome with two of the bridesmaids the day before.

It's not just women, it's humanity. It just looks like it's women cause it's stupid easy for them to get laid.

You give someone the keys to the Porsche, they're probably gonna drive it.

[El Padrone]

New members need to see this thread.

[RatInTheWoods]

Another "required reading" chapter for my up and coming taxpayer funded "mens studies" degree, coming to a conservative college/university near you soon.

[Aszhaeleos]

(12-10-2018 11:46 AM)El Padrone Wrote:  

New members need to see this thread.

True it is a good red-pill on what a lot of women are capable of.

Though some of the stories in here come across as greatly embellished boasting of sexual prowess. The kind of fantasy you would read in hustler magazine.

[One More]

(02-04-2017 11:22 AM)questor70 Wrote:  

This is an excellent thread because there are people on both sides of the fence here and there's merit to both arguments.

What does kind of bother me is...whatever happened to "bros before hoes"? Considering that red-pill overlaps a lot with mens's rights activism, shouldn't there be the least bit of empathy towards the guys who are wifing up sluts with cuckold cum still dripping from them?

I am talking about the specific scenario of the OP where the guy was clueless that the woman was engaged up until the moment of revelation. He didn't mention whether he interrogated her about whether she was truly single or not, and red-pill game suggests don't ask don't tell, but the fact is she never volunteered the information, and so both men here are equally innocent. She is the only guilty party here.

It bothers the original poster, and rightfully so.

I am not really down with throwing our fellow men under the bus simply for the sin of wanting to marry a woman. You guys have no idea how well this woman hides her tracks and it's not fair to just say "he should have known". It's not his responsibility to be clairvoyant. That's blaming the victim.

The right and wrong aspect here is about trust.

Also, so much of red-pill philosophy is anguish over women getting away with proverbial murder. If this scenario doesn't perfectly describe having your cake and eat it too, I don't know what does. Is red-pill ultimately fatalistic, suggesting we merely take it in the ass, or does it allow for any pushback whatsoever? She set herself up for a karma shit-storm and for him not to pull the trigger on it only further enables and normalizes this sort of behavior.

Even if the OP was down for a more casual relationship, a strong case can be made for him to intervene as a matter of "bros before hoes" principle. Of course, a shit-storm would result, but the source of the bad karma is clearly the woman and nobody else.

There's a certain nihilism in the gamer mindset that I am just not down with. You can be as disillusioned as you want about women's nature but lowering yourself to her level is nothing but a capitulation. Open relationships are fine, if those are the stated ground rules, but guys knowingly aiding and abetting cheating behavior is bad karma.

The other thing is to understand why women do this at all or don't feel guilty about it....

There are studies that show that women are less bothered by men having sex with other women than they are with those men developing emotional bonds with them. It's ironic because supposedly women are the keepers of the flame of defining sex and love as one and the same, but I think at least in the modern era they're just like men in creating a distinction between a main partner and side-dish sexcapades. Even so, it's not the act of polygamy that's at issue here, it's the broken trust and dishonesty.

It's one of my pet peeves to see someone get away with murder like this, and in a world where people just shrug their shoulders and say "hey, not my problem" we'll see a lot more of it. While it's true that the OP would catch some of the blowback, a real man™ would have the balls to torpedo the marriage. Some of this emphasis on risk-avoidance in red-pill is cowardly. A true alpha male should stand for something besides increasing his notch-count.

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Lastly, and this is something I'm realizing in my own personal experience, is that the kinds of women who are likely to be unfaithful like this suffer from boredom and go stir-crazy during their free time. Screwing around acts like a hobby or a time-killer for them. The only way to keep them from screwing around would be to give them more time than most guys who actually have a life have to spend. A lot of women's lives are so empty and they're so insecure that they just can't handle being home alone with nothing to do. I think the best way to avoid getting into these situations in the first place is to find a woman who has a healthy passion outside of work that keeps her occupied between dates. It just seems like more women than not are 9-5ers that can't think of anything else to do with their time off-hours than hit the bars and clubs.

Since when does a woman's behavior make sense? I read into her as potentially a very confused girl. On one hand, she wants to appeal to the social conditioning side of things by wifing up with a provider. Not only that - she may have other social pressures (cultural/familial/friend pressures) that require her to get married to someone that checks all the boxes.

Because if she doesn't, she'll get deemed low value in their eyes and consequently get ousted from the social circle (hint: survival in the context of evolutionary psychology). This also may have not been her first rodeo, so to speak, and she didn't want to let this one go after all the time served and start fresh while her biological clock is ticking.

On the other hand, she has archaic needs that aren't being met and can get them fulfilled by another guy (the lover). Perhaps her options of having a guy who can be somewhat of an even-balance between both are severely limited due to those aforementioned constraints.

Without more context, I wouldn't know, but I wouldn't necessarily chalk this girl off as a sociopath or whatever. There might be a super complicated character arc in her story that may still allow her to feel like the protagonist. This is my two cents.

EDIT: One more thing. Men should take responsibility for not knowing/fulfilling a girl's needs. Chances are the guy has no clue about principles of evolutionary psychology, masculine/feminine and Red Pill. Chances are he falsely thinks he's meeting her needs. Deep down, I'm sure he knows something is weird with this girl but hasn't done anything or very little in his life journey to develop himself before making a decision like that. He MUST pay close attention to his own behavior with respect to his lifelong investment (marriage with this girl).

If he couldn't read the signs, chances are he wasn't paying attention. In a world of internet, he has no excuse not to educate himself. Does he deserve it? I would say he deserves it just as much as any other life test that gets thrown at us. I believe the universe is making him suffer consequences for his choices. Perhaps when he wakes up, he'll become a new man, see this forum post and make a 180.

[astro]

Probably about 6 years ago I met a girl. She seemed like the “girl next door” type. I saw her over the period of a few months before she got slowly bumped from the rotation. She didn’t make a big deal of it, so I just assumed she wasn’t looking for a relationship and just wanted some occasional company (perfect!).

It wasn’t until I ran in to her about a year later, and her reaction, did everything fall in to place in my mind.

She had mentioned a “friend” who was in the military currently stationed in Kuwait. At the time, I didn’t pay it any mind. She brought him up a few times. When I ran in to her later, at a restaurant bar near where she lived (I was with some friends) she was absolutely horrified. She said she couldn’t be seen talking to a “stranger” in front of her “coworkers”. It was in that moment my gut wrenched and I realized what I participated in. I worked with the military for about 10 years at the time. I personally wouldn’t consciously bang some guy’s girlfriend (fuck, maybe they were married!!!) while he was on deployment. That’s a leading factor of divorce in the military. I actually thought about walking over to their group to let it spill, but decided not to.

It was one of the many things I have witnessed that really exposed the truth about human nature. I can see it very, very well now. I know when a girl is stepping out - or thinking of stepping out. Let all of your experiences be lessons.

[tugofpeace]

What shocked me the most was realizing that a lot of the hottest girls keep boyfriends around as placeholders until someone better comes along.

[Jozi]

I just hooked up with a girl last week who said she was "in love" with some other dude (who also seemed like a decent, loyal beta-ish kind of guy), and that she had never wanted a relationship previously but with this guy she did.

Proceeded to fuck all night, came inside of her raw twice.

The state of the female brain :/.

[Jozi]

(12-12-2018 11:37 PM)tugofpeace Wrote:  

What shocked me the most was realizing that a lot of the hottest girls keep boyfriends around as placeholders until someone better comes along.

All women do this. Not just the hottest ones. Women spin plates much more frequently than men. Obviously they don't get shit for it, because they're "just friends".

[Jozi]

(01-01-2014 02:04 PM)Ensam Wrote:  

Yup. Getting rocked by this shit is by far the weakest part of my game. I lost the first 8 I landed with game because I couldn't stand her deception with other people. She came over to my place, we banged, then she pulled out a bottle of lube (that she brought with her across the country) and asked me to fuck her in the ass. Then a few minutes later took a phone call from a guy she was seeing talking about how she'd just checked into her hotel and was having a quiet night. Made me livid. I could have banged her a few more times if I'd been able to keep my emotions in check.

It is not weak to have standards and not associate yourself with scum. The problem with society is that men don't punish women getting out of line like that enough. Good on you for being an honorable man.

[Jozi]

(01-01-2014 02:09 PM)AntiTrace Wrote:  

That type of stuff doesn't bother me Ensam. I like being the "other guy" to be honest. Makes me feel like a boss. I don't know why, I'll let some psychologist postulate about that.

I think it was just more of a shock being able to actually see the guys face, his pure happiness, and the fact he was ready to dedicate his entire life to this deceptive carousel queen. It made it a bit personal. I just wanted to stop him. I wanted to be his white knight

Why didn't you? You definitely should've. Bros before hoes man. You could say it's his own fault. But what will happen now is that these people will go on to have kids, later on they will divorce and the kids will be fucked up, further the downfall of our civilization.

At some point we have to take a stand. If everybody did this type of stuff wouldn't be happening nearly as much.

[roberto]

When I was 16 I'd just left home and was working on a farm, and renting a room in the farmhouse. Had hardly any sexual experience and no game to speak of. Wound up with the local vet student in my bed, she must have been about 23. She was staying in the area on work experience for a month, and we made the most of it. One night before we got down to it, she took a call from her boyfriend, three feet from my naked body.

I've never forgotten that early insight into the nature of women. She's married now, to a different guy. I'm happy for the first guy, he dodged a bullet.

Going off on a tangent here, but the farmer I was working for was a pretty cool guy. Had just left his wife (he was thirty) and went out clubbing with us most weeks. The daughter of another local farmer had a boyfriend, but that didn't stop her from fucking my boss. They became an item, then split up. Three weeks later a local lout (no game, fat, God knows why she picked him) was bragging in the pub about how she'd got drunk and fucked him. I'd imagine more went on, but I'd moved away by then. I did commit the cardinal sin of dating her cousin for a month, but hey, I was young and dumb.

My best mate at the time, who I pretty much grew up with, married that farmers daughter two years later. She was eight years younger than my boss, but five years older than my mate. Goddammit bro, why?

[Jozi]

(01-01-2014 11:19 PM)Glock Wrote:  

(01-01-2014 10:30 PM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  

I don't believe for a second that every woman is like this.

But the scary part is that it's so hard to see through the bullshit and figure out which ones are and which ones aren't. They're extremely convincing.

I agree completely. The percentage of women in exclusive relationships who are this calloused must be very small. Surveys put the percentage of wives who cheat at around 30% if memory serves.

Surveying women is useless though. Most won't even acknowledge to themselves that even though they have slept with another man while being in an exclusive relationship (married or not), that they have been cheating. They will blame everything and everyone but themselves.

[coffeedrinker]

As a newb, this thing about women also bothers me. Two of the girls I last went on dates with both openly told me they had cheated at some point. One even justified it with the "it wasn't going anywhere and then you meet this nice guy".

I know that we don't live in a fairytale world, but why is it so wrong that at some point you want to settle down with someone who you can just trust. What excites me about improving myself as a man is that you will have more opportunities to choose your partner and keep them excited to want to stay with you. Sure getting lots of sex in the process is good motivator, but having kids and a family is the ultimate goal for me.

I don't know if this is forum has a bit of a biased view or it's what reality is but damn it's a bit depressing to think that no matter how much you better yourself, you are still likely to get cheated on in LTRs...

[tugofpeace]

(12-13-2018 07:07 AM)coffeedrinker Wrote:  

As a newb, this thing about women also bothers me. Two of the girls I last went on dates with both openly told me they had cheated at some point. One even justified it with the "it wasn't going anywhere and then you meet this nice guy".

I know that we don't live in a fairytale world, but why is it so wrong that at some point you want to settle down with someone who you can just trust. What excites me about improving myself as a man is that you will have more opportunities to choose your partner and keep them excited to want to stay with you. Sure getting lots of sex in the process is good motivator, but having kids and a family is the ultimate goal for me.

I don't know if this is forum has a bit of a biased view or it's what reality is but damn it's a bit depressing to think that no matter how much you better yourself, you are still likely to get cheated on in LTRs...

This forum is obviously biased. How many times do you ever read online about how great of a relationship a guy is having? You never hear it, because they have no reason to post about it.

If you read stuff like this forum all the time and that's your only source of information, you're REALLY screwing yourself over in terms of how you view women.

[RatInTheWoods]

The girls in Thailand have a cute thing they do, a little joke that goes like this.

After you banged them senseless, I always ask "do you love me?" in Thai

The honest ones pat you on the heart and say LIKE LIKE LIKE.

Then they pull out a photo of some Danish guy who is away 6 months of the year working on an oil rig, sending her $2000 a month (for living, mothers medicine and to send brother to school) pat that and say LOVE LOVE LOVE

[ISR92]

Don't forget her sick buffalo

[EndsExpect]

(12-13-2018 05:37 PM)RatInTheWoods Wrote:  

The girls in Thailand have a cute thing they do, a little joke that goes like this.
After you banged them senseless, I always ask "do you love me?" in Thai
The honest ones pat you on the heart and say LIKE LIKE LIKE.
Then they pull out a photo of some Danish guy who is away 6 months of the year working on an oil rig, sending her $2000 a month (for living, mothers medicine and to send brother to school) pat that and say LOVE LOVE LOVE

The reason I know that culture matters a lot... is that not too far away from Thailand is Vietnam and that kind of behavior is a lot less common. I know A LOT of females from that country and they have a tendency to be ride or die. I can tell you about solid 6's that have not been with a man in 7 years.... of generally good looking 30 year old widows that will never date or marry again.

AnonymousBosch posted a brilliant point regarding how women are socialized to only say and do things that are popular. The bottom line is that we get the women that our culture creates... and if they are nasty cheating skanks... then it's because we as men allowed that to be. The real tragedy is that the guys of the west can't get together and push for things that would benefit us all.