[WestIndianArchie]

Best thread of the new year, so much knowledge dropped

[Vitriol]

(01-03-2014 12:21 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

Best thread of the new year, so much knowledge dropped

I was away from the forum for a few days, but this thread turned into a great source for educating guys to keep their eyes open.

[Gemini]

First of all, awesome thread!

My point of view is that there is a certain percentage of population (men and women) that don't have qualms about cheating. (Cheating gene?) Think about it, in most cases, it takes some effort to cheat, you have to put yourself in that situation, either on purpose (e.g. you hit the bar after dropping your girlfriend off at home) or by neglecting to take yourself *out* of a situation. Usually, it's not something that just happens... of course sometimes there is the drunken "mistake", but that's the exception, I would say.

Cheating has been around for ever, but having said that, it seems like now women are less likely to face any repercussions for doing it. This has changed female behaviour in last few decades, I think.

I like what "j r" wrote below and agree with him:

Women and men have different roles when it comes to sex. Biologically, men's role is to go after as much sex as they can get (spread the sperm), women's role is to be selective, secure the best mate in order to help her raise the offspring. That's evolutionary biology 101. The other side of the coin is that both men and women get horny, and in our day and age, there is much more opportunity to mingle and meet new people than ever before in history of man.

Then there is the social aspect, as JR commented on. In a relationship, there used to be this social stigma attached to slutty behaviour (flirting, cheating, etc), especially more for women than men. Why? Because women are the weaker creatures in terms of self control, e.i. they can be seduced, aroused to such an extend that they cannot control their emotions. (We all know about that.) Women are (used to be?) very good at slut-shaming their 'sisters' in behaving a certain way, that is slowly going the way of "slut-encouraging". Welcome to the Brave New World!

Anyway, the question of why AntiTrance's chick was cheating on her husband to be is simply because she could. She wanted to have her cake (fuck alpha) and eat it too (marry supportive beta). In the past this wasn't so prevalent (as the repercussions after being discovered were too great for a woman to risk doing it). Now it's different. She can get away with it. She can rationalize her behavior much more readily thanks to feminism and other societal pressures (anonymity, technology). The bigger question is what has marriage become, if women can trample over their vows so readily? And we all know the answer to that one! Buyer beware!

(01-02-2014 02:31 PM)j r Wrote:  

The difference between men and women is in what forces act to check our prospective promiscuity. For men, it's the fact that most men simply are not attractive enough to be getting a steady stream of new high quality bangs. For the average guy in a relationship, the type of girls he could be banging with little effort are not worth risking his relationship. Women can bang better-looking guys without too much effort. The thing that keeps them in line is the social stigma that comes with slutty behavior and the fact that high quality men won't want them if they have too much of a sexual past.

What pisses guys off so much is that things are pretty much the same for men (banging new high quality women is not easy) while women seem to be playing by a whole new set of rules (no more slut shaming). It kind of sucks, but it's easy enough to avoid from a personal level. You can't control other parts of society, but you can certainly decide for yourself which women you will and will not commit to.

A few relevant stories:

Past summer, I picked up an out-of-town woman at a bar. I was wasted, it was last call, and she looked good enough (6?). Nice face, soso body, but definitely "below my league" haha. Anyway, she was very flirty, even after she flashed her engagement ring at me. I wasn't fazed and kept pushing in my drunken abandon. Finally, made out with her outside the bar. We went to a local beach and she gave me a BJ. Could have banged her pretty much I think, but didn't really care to. (I think I fingered her.) She told me how much better looking I am than her fiance, and that she wished she could have a guy like me. Kinda eye-opening to actually hear her say this shit, but I really didn't care at that point.

Another hilarious cheating story:

A few years back my buddy threw a bday party and invited a bunch of people, including me and my then-girlfriend (story isn't about her though.) The cheater came with her long-term boyfriend to the party and she knew my friend for a few years but they never fucked.
Well, towards the end of the night, we couldn't find my friend the birthday boy and the chick (turns out they were upstairs fucking). She told him that she always had the hots for him and wanted to give him a bday present LOL. The crazy thing is what she did afterwards. They came down separately. She feigned being sick. Like acted really good. Holly shit, everyone was concerned for her, including my gf. Poor thing drunk too much or smth. Her beta boyfriend even carried her in his arms all they way to their car (lol) and they went home. It's only after they left my buddy told me what happened. I told the story to my then gf, and she was like "That damned SLUT!"

[Duke Castile]

Usually you can do the right thing for yourself by saying "what would a woman do?" Then do the opposite.

If the situation were reversed and this guy was banging a few side pieces but wanted to marry the girl he truly cared for, you know some meddling bitch would feel it was her moral duty to go in there and fuck up 2 lives and for what?

That's their business.

That girl doesn't have any commitment to you and her situation is between her and another guy.

And yeah, its a bit callous of all of is veterans to say "it's his fault" but thats exactly the right thing.

Too many pussies like that guy are ALLOWING their women to get away with that sense of entitlement. Because that guy cannot be that stupid, he has convinced himself he's won the jackpot when we all know he hasnt.

Who's fault is that?

We have all been through the war and learned the hard way because we all CHOSE to take the red pill and wake up.

That guy is living in denial and that's his goddamn fault. Don't pity him and don't waste too much time being offended.

As I say, she didn't commit anything to you even if it is disgusting seeing her lie to everyone she probably holds important in her life.

Keep fucking her and make her tell you its your pussy.

And never forget that's the nature of women to simultaneously meddle in someone else's affairs while also being totally capable of carrying out one.

Be better than that.

[The Beast1]

(01-03-2014 07:49 AM)Fisto Wrote:  

Keep fucking her and make her tell you its your pussy.

The one lesson in this thread.

If you own that pussy, regardless of the relationship status, it will keep coming back. It always will.

[AntiTrace]

Woke up to a text from her:

"Can't hang tomorrow. His trip got moved back. He's going to NYC on tuesday so I'm yours all night. miss you!! (random string of wierd ass emoticons)"


that poor bastard...

[Ironbound]

(01-03-2014 10:42 AM)AntiTrace Wrote:  

Woke up to a text from her:

"Can't hang tomorrow. His trip got moved back. He's going to NYC on tuesday so I'm yours all night. miss you!! (random string of wierd ass emoticons)"


that poor bastard...

Wow....Just, wow....

[AntiTrace]

(01-03-2014 12:56 PM)Ironbound Wrote:  

Wow....Just, wow....

I know man! whats up with the damn emoticons these days?!?

[MMM]

(01-03-2014 09:56 AM)frenchie Wrote:  

(01-03-2014 07:49 AM)Fisto Wrote:  

Keep fucking her and make her tell you its your pussy.

The one lesson in this thread.

If you own that pussy, regardless of the relationship status, it will keep coming back. It always will.

Very true. What I’ve learned in my time in game is that once you own that vajajay, she’ll give it to you whenever you want it, no matter who she is involved with or their relationship status. I think this is what Krauser talks about as “soul collecting” or deep game. I have two, possibly three girls who are down for the deed, even though they are involved in other relationships. This would have blown my mind in my blue pill days. Good thread.

[MrXY]

(01-03-2014 10:42 AM)AntiTrace Wrote:  

Woke up to a text from her:

"Can't hang tomorrow. His trip got moved back. He's going to NYC on tuesday so I'm yours all night. miss you!! (random string of wierd ass emoticons)"


that poor bastard...

You guys think that's bad-she's just engaged

Wait until you find out what MARRIED women are capable of

[horn]

It's the vocal, slutty, cheating minority that give the other girls a bad name. Even if the number is 20-30% or whatever, that's a long distance from 'every girl is a cheating slut.' Most girls are honestly not looking to ride the cock carousel. Some are.

If you want exclusivity, you gotta make sure she knows that from the jump, give her at least one orgasm every time, and don't bother chasing club sluts or other hoes. Tell her if she cheats, or wants to sleep around, she will be nexted immediately and you'll never speak to her again. Carrot and stick works, my friends. Obviously you keep your eyes peeled but that's common sense.

I look at it this way - there are good girls, bad girls, and the 'average' girl in between. The first two are usually self-evident. You can confuse a good girl with an average one, or a bad one with an average one, but you gotta be pretty clueless to confuse a Bad girl for a Good girl. And there are plenty of good girls not looking to get wifed up anytime soon. They wanna have fun but just with one man.

[pheonix500000]

(01-03-2014 04:03 PM)MrXY Wrote:  

(01-03-2014 10:42 AM)AntiTrace Wrote:  

Woke up to a text from her:

"Can't hang tomorrow. His trip got moved back. He's going to NYC on tuesday so I'm yours all night. miss you!! (random string of wierd ass emoticons)"


that poor bastard...

You guys think that's bad-she's just engaged

Wait until you find out what MARRIED women are capable of

Different how? it wouldnt be the same thing like this broad?

[commiejoe]

(01-04-2014 01:19 PM)pheonix500000 Wrote:  

(01-03-2014 04:03 PM)MrXY Wrote:  

(01-03-2014 10:42 AM)AntiTrace Wrote:  

Woke up to a text from her:
"Can't hang tomorrow. His trip got moved back. He's going to NYC on tuesday so I'm yours all night. miss you!! (random string of wierd ass emoticons)"
that poor bastard...

You guys think that's bad-she's just engaged
Wait until you find out what MARRIED women are capable of

Different how? it wouldnt be the same thing like this broad?

One married chick kept telling me about her two kids and husband in the navy, it took her an hour to get from her place to mine, I remember having to move a carseat before going to a club. After sex she would do my dishes, laundry, vacuum, then leave. First woman I made squirt. I have no idea what her relationship with her husband was like, either I never asked, or she told me and I wasn't listening.\n
Another married chick I banged once, she had a party the night before her husband was coming back from Iraq, I can't remember how I got to the party, or how I even knew about it, and to the life of me I can't remember what town it was in. I just remember waking up in her bed, slightly hungover, so I banged and left because I was running late to work. I busted in her, then stepped on a kids toy and broke it on my way out.\n
Married women are wrong in the head, but I'm no saint. I never felt bad about banging the married women, so I might be a sociopath. Oh well.

[Avon Barksdale]

(01-04-2014 01:38 PM)commiejoe Wrote:  

(01-04-2014 01:19 PM)pheonix500000 Wrote:  

(01-03-2014 04:03 PM)MrXY Wrote:  

(01-03-2014 10:42 AM)AntiTrace Wrote:  

Woke up to a text from her:
"Can't hang tomorrow. His trip got moved back. He's going to NYC on tuesday so I'm yours all night. miss you!! (random string of wierd ass emoticons)"
that poor bastard...

You guys think that's bad-she's just engaged
Wait until you find out what MARRIED women are capable of

Different how? it wouldnt be the same thing like this broad?

One married chick kept telling me about her two kids and husband in the navy, it took her an hour to get from her place to mine, I remember having to move a carseat before going to a club. After sex she would do my dishes, laundry, vacuum, then leave. First woman I made squirt. I have no idea what her relationship with her husband was like, either I never asked, or she told me and I wasn't listening.\n
Another married chick I banged once, she had a party the night before her husband was coming back from Iraq, I can't remember how I got to the party, or how I even knew about it, and to the life of me I can't remember what town it was in. I just remember waking up in her bed, slightly hungover, so I banged and left because I was running late to work. I busted in her, then stepped on a kids toy and broke it on my way out.\n
Married women are wrong in the head, but I'm no saint. I never felt bad about banging the married women, so I might be a sociopath. Oh well.

Wow Marriage really is a trap, I feel bad for these dudes

[commiejoe]

(01-04-2014 01:19 PM)pheonix500000 Wrote:  

(01-03-2014 04:03 PM)MrXY Wrote:  

You guys think that's bad-she's just engaged
Wait until you find out what MARRIED women are capable of

Different how? it wouldnt be the same thing like this broad?

Different?
Sometimes I wonder if there are men out there raising my kids, I recall girls telling me about how serious they are with their boyfriends/husbands, but the ones that I remember most clearly are after unprotected sex.

I never put two and two together at the time, ie; came inside -> they got pregnant -> I have children out there somewhere being raised on someone else's dime.
I didn't even ask if they were on birth control. Go figure.

I look back at those times and just feel so disconnected, like, "I did that? huh, weird."

edit: Moral I get from my memories, don't get married, you big dummy.

[AnonymousBosch]

(01-04-2014 01:08 PM)horn Wrote:  

It's the vocal, slutty, cheating minority that give the other girls a bad name. Even if the number is 20-30% or whatever, that's a long distance from 'every girl is a cheating slut.' Most girls are honestly not looking to ride the cock carousel. Some are.

I think every girl has the *potential* to cheat, just not the *opportunity*. I've yet to meet a girl without a rationalisation hamster, though, thankfully, some run less quickly than others.

Drama is how they entertain themselves. It's why frame is so important.

[horn]

If you are at the top of her SMV ladder, she will not cheat. Girls don't cheat on their 8 with a 6 or 7. Maybe the worst sluts do, but that's about it. If you are saying she can easily get a better guy, then yes, she probably will.

Guys are different. Most guys will sleep around on an 8 with a 7 if they can get away with it.

[Christian McQueen]

(01-04-2014 02:47 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

(01-04-2014 01:08 PM)horn Wrote:  

It's the vocal, slutty, cheating minority that give the other girls a bad name. Even if the number is 20-30% or whatever, that's a long distance from 'every girl is a cheating slut.' Most girls are honestly not looking to ride the cock carousel. Some are.

I think every girl has the *potential* to cheat, just not the *opportunity*. I've yet to meet a girl without a rationalisation hamster, though, thankfully, some run less quickly than others.

Drama is how they entertain themselves. It's why frame is so important.

Remember too gents, that MOST guys out there do not have the level of Game that alot of us have.

The 80/20 rule definitely applies here. 20% of men fucking 80% of women.

I rarely and I mean rarely meet cats who have a high level of game, with the exception being some of the forum guys I hang with and some of the famous people I know.

Do hot girls get hit on constantly? Yes, but I will define 'getting hit on'.

-Guy's head jerks around as the girl passes him in the cereal aisle at Piggly Wiggly.
-He approaches with an awkward "Excuse me ma'm, you are very pretty. Would you like to go to the movies sometime?"
-Her "Uh thanks. No I have a boyfriend" (lie)

Then my ass strolls down the aisle chucking boxes of Captain Crunch into my basket....

[WanderingSoul]

Got her number?

[Christian McQueen]

^It's a theoretical situation.

I have gotten numbers in the grocery store, usually after working out when I feel like the Hulk haha.

[Belize King]

I had a girl eyeball me for three weeks during my job training phase in the Army. She was cute and could get it. I had another piece that I was smashing. So one weekend, we got our pass and I told her lets chill. She was excited.

She sucked me off and I smashed for an hour. We couldnt find the condom after we finished. I tore that room apart. Cut to the next day. We went to Walmart hand in hand. She took a piss and finally found the condom haha. Anyway, that Sunday she left our group early.

She got married that day. The same day she found my condom inside her. I found out when we had to report and she was holding dude hand telling everybody she got married.

Did I care? Naw. Did I feel bad for dude? Naw. Hopefully he was getting side pussy too.

[Avon Barksdale]

(01-06-2014 05:08 AM)McQueensPlayboyRules Wrote:  

^It's a theoretical situation.

I have gotten numbers in the grocery store, usually after working out when I feel like the Hulk haha.

[Vitriol]

The most recent post Rollo Tomassi put on his blog is very relevant to this discussion. It's about a guy killing himself because he took his wife too seriously, and didn't know what to do when she left him behind and traded up:

http://therationalmale.com/2014/01/08/possession/

Quote:

My brother-in-law hung himself as a response to having the unthinkable happen to him; his ONE, his soulmate, a woman he was very posessive of, was leaving him after 20 years of marriage (for a millionaire we discovered later). She was the ONLY woman he’d ever had sex with and had been (to the best of my knowledge) a faithful and dependable husband and father since they married at 18 and 19. He did the ‘right thing’ and married her when he’d gotten her pregnant at 17 and stuck by her, sacrificed any ambition he had and worked his ass off to send both his kids to college – an advantage he’d never achieve. He wasn’t a saint by any means, and I’m not going to argue my sister-in-law’s motivations, since those aren’t my point; my point is that he was an AFC who never came to terms with it and believed his life was only completed with his ONE. He literally couldn’t go on without her.

He couldn’t kill the beta (if he was even aware of it), so he killed himself.

This is pretty heavy, but the lesson is clear. Guys who take the blue-pill lies too seriously and invest themselves entirely in one woman literally end up sacrificing themselves in any number of ways.

One of the comments nails it in terms of utilizing red-pill truths to always keep yourself emotionally distanced from women to a certain degree:

Quote:

D-Man
January 8th, 2014 at 3:02 pm

I do believe this existential reaction to is encoded into the firmware, it’s visceral. It manifests as a physical agony in the torso, perhaps most strongly in the upper solar plexus, and can become all consuming if you allow it to get the better of you. It does so very very quickly too, you can be eating and something can bubble up from your subconscious, perhaps a memory of an unsavoury fact about your woman’s past, or a little thing that stood out in the way she behaved in a public setting… your imagination can run with that, and your appetite can wrench to cold disgust in seconds.

We absolutely need our higher reasoning skills to overcome this, and sometimes that means placing boundaries within our own psyches, regarding the speed and extent in which we allow ourselves to form bonds. It is absolutely healthy to remain, at least in some corner of your psyche, a cynic and a skeptic with regards to women, both in general and individually. Toss that away and you flirt with madness. Women, consciously or not, are natural masters at peering into the hearts of men, seeing which parts of himself he does not know, and setting the hooks there.

There is no woman in this day and age, who is physically beautiful, who has no history at all, who will be completely devoted to you through to her core, and never size you up, and who has zero imagination when it comes to other men. Not with the way they’re wired, and certainly not with the encouragement they get from the culture at large.

There is no possessing them. Great men have come undone in the attempt. Possess yourself and you’ll come out OK.

That's some great advice. Take heed, or allow women to destroy you.

[Agreddor]

Been on both sides of the spectrum.

Now, I assume that every girl is a slut; the burden of proof is on her to disprove my supposition.

[Dalaran1991]

I'm bookmarking this and saving it in my phone too so I can read it again whenever I feel some girl is "special" or "nice".

Direct newbies with oneitis here.