[bojangles]

Mate, I hate Somalians, they are just as fucking backwards as the Roma and thick as fucking shit. Dirty scumbags who don't want to work, whose kids commit crimes and should all be shipped back to their shithole country. There's thousands of them in the UK making life hell for everyone else. The majority of them here are claiming benefits off the government and their kids are running around london stabbing other kids.

[InternationPlayboy]

I just don't get why these people come from third world shitholes and get all these benefits and live off the governments money. They should be happy they aren't making $5 a day. I have nothing wrong with immigrants at all, but I do have a problem with them not working and taking tax payers money. That's bullshit. I'm American, I was born here, and I'd like free money too, but it just doesn't work that way. I hear about programs where the Cubans are coming over and the government is setting them up with cars. Mother fucker, you know how long I went without a car?! I want a free fucking car! That shits weak. Governments need to make their citizens their first priority. Seriously, if someone's coming over here even making $60 a day, it's still a hell of a lot better than the $5 a day they were making in Mexico!

And that's my rant. That all said, some of my really good friends are immigrants, and they're great people. They don't leach off the government and most make a pretty good living. I even have a good friend who's here illegally, I don't give a shit. He works and pumps a bunch of money into our economy, he's not sending it home to brazil. His family is rich. Even if he was sending it home I wouldn't care all that much, just don't come here and leach off my hard earned money.

[Volk]

(11-20-2013 06:57 AM)InternationPlayboy Wrote:  

I just don't get why these people come from third world shitholes and get all these benefits and live off the governments money.

And the worst part of it : I dare you to try going from a place like Colombia (Decent people, most of them) to work, all legally, in Europe or in the US. There is so much red tape, that it might as well be impossible. All this immigrants are 100% illegal. Do you think Somalis and Pakis and whatnot are arriving with a valid work permit and an invitation because they deserve it? No, they arrive begging and begging for asylum and since it's PC to receive a "poor soul" but at the same time, this talented engineer from say, Peru,he receives all the blocks, has to pay all the fees (thousands of euros in just the visa process and the trip), has to wait all these years for the possibility of working in something he likes, like say, engineer at Volvo, and on top of that it's likely that he could be forced in the future to leave the whole country because he is not a citizen.

Fuck that, fuck all that shit. It is plain self-destruction. How can it be easier by being thousands of orders of magnitude more useless and more of a dead weight and more of a criminal to get such a benefit from official entities in developed countries? I don't have to tell you how much my blood boils over this. One tries to help a country and you have to wait 10 years to get a passport, but a completely illiterate waste of oxygen gets it in 3 months because it's "not nice" to send him back to his dumpster?

Shit, I'm heading off, I need to relax.

[J.J.]

(11-20-2013 01:02 PM)Volk Wrote:  

And the worst part of it : I dare you to try going from a place like Colombia (Decent people, most of them) to work, all legally, in Europe or in the US. There is so much red tape, that it might as well be impossible. All this immigrants are 100% illegal. Do you think Somalis and Pakis and whatnot are arriving with a valid work permit and an invitation because they deserve it? No, they arrive begging and begging for asylum and since it's PC to receive a "poor soul" but at the same time, this talented engineer from say, Peru,he receives all the blocks, has to pay all the fees (thousands of euros in just the visa process and the trip), has to wait all these years for the possibility of working in something he likes, like say, engineer at Volvo, and on top of that it's likely that he could be forced in the future to leave the whole country because he is not a citizen.

I'm not sure where you get your ideas from, but immigrants in America are more successful than native born Americans and have lower crime rates. The idea that most 3rd world immigrants are here because of asylum is a myth. Did you know those 3rd world African immigrants are more likely to have a college degree than even white Americans or Asians?

Quote:

The 48.9% of all African immigrants that have earned a college degree is slightly higher than the percentage of degreed Asian immigrants, twice the rate of native-born whites, and four times the rate of native-born African Americans.

http://www.examiner.com/article/african-...and-asians

Quote:

Among men age 18-39 (who comprise the vast majority
of the prison population), the 3.5 percent incarceration rate
of the native-born in 2000 was 5 times higher than the 0.7
percent incarceration rate of the foreign-born.

The foreign-born incarceration rate in 2000 was nearly
two-and-a-half times less than the 1.7 percent rate for native-
born non-Hispanic white men and almost 17 times less than
the 11.6 percent rate for native-born black men.

Native-born Hispanic men were nearly 7 times more
likely to be in prison than foreign-born Hispanic men in
2000, while the incarceration rate of native-born non-
Hispanic white men was almost 3 times higher than that of
foreign-born white men.

http://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.or...IPC%29.pdf

Same with Pakistanis:

Quote:

Compared to other heritage groups in the United States, Pakistani Americans tend to be better educated with 87.4% being at least a high school graduate[42] and 60.9% holding a bachelors degree or higher professional degree.[14][33] Dr. Mehtab Karim, at the Pew Research Center found that 29.5% of Pakistanis completed four years of college, 22.5% completed a Master’s in a professional degree while 1.6% acquired a doctorate degree, this compared with the American national average of 17.6%, 20% and 1.1% respectively.[43]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistani_American

[Volk]

You clearly nit-picked my opinion from the corner and missed the whole point : If you are talented and want to go, the red tape welcomes you. If you are a criminal and have done nothing but pick your boogers in Mogadishu, the developed world awaits with open arms.

America has had good luck with neighbors. The only people that are actively the way I said come from El Salvador, not even a drop in the bucket compared to the number of Mexicans, who are usually pretty hard-working. The people who have to take a visa (no small deal for the US, I've been refused before and I'm not poor or have history) and a flight are not poor nor uneducated.

I think immigration is great (hell, I am doing it right now, do you really think I'm against it? Check my post history and you might know where I come from), but doing what some countries are doing (The PC belt in west europe) is stupid and self-destructive.

[Teedub]

(11-20-2013 01:02 PM)Volk Wrote:  

Do you think Somalis and Pakis and whatnot are arriving with a valid work permit and an invitation because they deserve it? No, they arrive begging and begging for asylum and since it's PC to receive a "poor soul" but at the same time, this talented engineer from say, Peru,he receives all the blocks, has to pay all the fees (thousands of euros in just the visa process and the trip), has to wait all these years for the possibility of working in something he likes, like say, engineer at Volvo, and on top of that it's likely that he could be forced in the future to leave the whole country because he is not a citizen.

The Pakistanis aren't in Britain for asylum, they come because Britain allows family reunification, and they have pretty fucking big extended families that we let in. They also come in to work for takeaway's (food that is delivered) and stuff, which I think is just part of a clever ruse to get them into country.

[InternationPlayboy]

I think the immigration in the US is just different. Most of the Brazilians or argis that I know who come here are from wealthy families and come here legally. It seems to be that most of the illegals are Mexicans and Central Americans because it's easy for them to cross the border. But for an African, you sure as hell aren't swimming over the Atlantic. Yeah I'm sure a handful are smuggled in by boats, but actually the most common way to stay in the US illegally is to come on a tourist visa and never go back once it expires. That's how my Brazilian buddy is here illegally. He'd probably be well off in brazil, but he loves to snowboard. He didn't go about it the right way, cause all his other friends pay their dues, but still get to come back every year. A lot of them make it seem pretty easy. I have friends that have legally been coming back for 5-6 + years. They go back to brazil for a couple months, get their paper work squared away, and come back to pretty decent jobs.

[Que enspastic]

On Somalians in UK: http://www.economist.com/news/britain/21...-road-long

[porscheguy]

(11-20-2013 01:23 PM)J.J. Wrote:  

I'm not sure where you get your ideas from, but immigrants in America are more successful than native born Americans and have lower crime rates. The idea that most 3rd world immigrants are here because of asylum is a myth. Did you know those 3rd world African immigrants are more likely to have a college degree than even white Americans or Asians?

Quote:

The 48.9% of all African immigrants that have earned a college degree is slightly higher than the percentage of degreed Asian immigrants, twice the rate of native-born whites, and four times the rate of native-born African Americans.

http://www.examiner.com/article/african-...and-asians

Information provided to us by the "Journal of Blacks in Higher Education." Seriously. I didn't just make that up. You think what we assume to be a scientific journal with that kind of name, just might have a bit of a bias?

[Que enspastic]

^ It's true that African immigrants are among the most successful immigrants in the US. They tend to be wealthy and educated.

Nonetheless, that doesn't mean Somalians in the UK are successful because they are from Africa.

[J.J.]

(11-20-2013 07:23 PM)porscheguy Wrote:  

Information provided to us by the "Journal of Blacks in Higher Education." Seriously. I didn't just make that up. You think what we assume to be a scientific journal with that kind of name, just might have a bit of a bias?

They didn't make their data up, they used Census data.

From another site:


http://www.immigrationpolicy.org/just-fa...c-overview

[bojangles]

(11-20-2013 02:50 PM)Que enspastic Wrote:  

On Somalians in UK: http://www.economist.com/news/britain/21...-road-long

Yep, the comments destroy the article

the best being from a swede who says it's strange as the article shows that somalians in britain dont work just like how they dont work in sweden yet the swedish government says somalians in britain are a success.

[bojangles]

(11-20-2013 07:26 PM)Que enspastic Wrote:  

^ It's true that African immigrants are among the most successful immigrants in the US. They tend to be wealthy and educated.

Nonetheless, that doesn't mean Somalians in the UK are successful because they are from Africa.

African's don't even associate with Somalians, it's like Somalians are a mix between Ethiopians and Arabs.

[porscheguy]

You're aware that the census is a self-survey type of data collection, are you not? You're also aware that self-surveys are the most unreliable method of data collection? Care to guess why? It's because mother fuckers lie. Why do you think the average number of sex partners for women between the ages of 25 and 29 in the US is still something like 4? It's because the only way to collect any data on certain things is by using a survey, and we all know that ass fuck only/ blow job only sex partners don't count in the minds of most women.

[Wadsworth]

I think there's a very important distinction to be made between race and culture. Tuthmosis has quite correctly identified a pattern of hostility directed toward certain people.

But as long as it isn't racist I don't have much of a problem with it. I have no problem criticizing or even rejecting other people's cultural customs and outlooks (depending of course on exactly what they are).

Hostility directed toward someone on the basis of their race is pretty lousy. But hostility directed toward someone for their cultural attitudes can be extremely justified.

I'm all for tolerance, but if it only goes one way, the culture rapidly devolves to resemble a doormat rather than a home.

[kosko]

To be fair most Somalians don't even like Somalians. My homie does not deal with his folks because they are all crazy.

"My people are always my people but unless I'm there I don't deal with my people"

Somalians are a different breed their has been a vacuum from their simply because there are/were under refugee status for nearly 20 years. The country has been in a state of non-function for close to 8 years now and it is one of the few failed states. Any country with any type of refugee framework can't turn them away as try come here in droves because of that.

About African immigrants yes the majority are successful. You can hustle more money back home in Africa, you come to America because you want something more and to build something legitimate. Education is culturally important and many places still have British styled school systems which are light years ahead of the crap Americans learn. Plus comming over is not cheap, it's 30-50K adventure and you have to have legit systems/links or means in place to make it happen. Only door poor people commig trough are refugees and that makes them no different then the broke Albanians that came over here during thier struggles in the 90s.

Somalians though are ratchet. I am not even sure why. My homie tells me thier is a mystic element to it and they simply have been disconnected to any sense of place or home for to long. They have a YOLO attitude because it's been thier life for far to long.

[Walderschmidt]

(11-18-2013 04:35 PM)turbopg Wrote:  

in the past, the EU was condemning us Romanians saying that we are discriminating gypsies. now they had the chance to see for themselves what "great" people the gypsies are. but they're not learning, the EU is giving us the political correctness bullshit and has imposed a fine in Romania of up to 7000 euro if we call a gypsy what we always called a gypsy which is "tigan". we're now supposed to call them "rrom" as in like what the gypsies want to be called but hey even the Romanian newspapers still call them "tigan".
we don't hate gypsies for their skin color, we hate gypsies for their extremely annoying behavior and total disregard for civilization. there's a rare exception, a Romanian gypsy that's a singer (former rapper) that goes by the stage name Connect-R and that behaves like a civilized intelligent person. he sings european style dance music and his facebook page has 1 million likes, mostly by Romanians, proof that we don't hate gypsies for their race but for the horrible behavior. but almost all the other gypsies - are dirty, they throw the garbage around themselves, they shout in their nomad language, steal, gather up into gangs (of organized crime sometimes), pretend to be witches, pretend to be fortune tellers, make their children beg, they sing some horrible oriental music, they wear their parrot colored clothes and they build themselves oriental style houses. Marshal Antonescu deported all the Romanian gypsies to Transnistria in WW2 but unfortunately they came back after the war and they will always cause trouble everywhere they go, they are never going to integrate into a civilized society. because of the name confusion, us Romanians are being wrongfully seen as wrongdoers particularly in Italy when in fact the gypsies are generally to blame. I hope that over time the world will understand that Romanians and Romani have nothing to do with each other. and they should stop calling them Romani and call them gypsy.

I will start calling them "Tigan" - their proper name - now.

Wald

[Hades]

I'm pretty hammered but I have to weigh in on the African and Pakistani immigrant point.

Yes, many have college degrees. However, the ones who don't ruin the reputation for the rest.
You go downtown, run into some hoodlums or whatever and get robbed, somewhat good likelihood that they were immigrants.
Then you go to the doctor, turns out he was is also an immigrant.

Again, huge distinction to be made here. While 'mighty whitey' is generally middle class with a few doctors and doctorates thrown in, the immigrants are not the same way - you have a greater divide between the educated and the plebes than in polite Western society. That's just how it works in the rest of the world. Nothing wrong with that, it's just different than in America.

It's the lower class that you inevitably get burned by. You could get robbed and beaten by Somalis one night, and go to the doctor and get treated by another (well educated) upper-middle class Somalian the next day. It's going to take another generation or two to hammer shit out, is what I'm getting at.

(11-20-2013 10:01 PM)kosko Wrote:  

Somalians though are ratchet. I am not even sure why. My homie tells me thier is a mystic element to it and they simply have been disconnected to any sense of place or home for to long. They have a YOLO attitude because it's been thier life for far to long.

I'm not sure why but for the most part this is the case.
I met one really cool Somalian dude who moved over here at the age of 5 - he's kind of a badass now at 23. Lifts, drinks, smokes, does whatever and not necessarily in accordance with Islamic law. He only associates with American black guys, I guess some white guys too. Americans, anyway.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

Tigan? We say "cigan". Your name for them makes them sound like tigers.

[kosko]

Somali girls are hot as hell tho. Let's not even front and because of that YOLO attitude many will go to the mosque and still fuck with you. I tried to fuck this mixed Somali-Italian-Eritrean girl like a month ago. This girl was so fine with a mega sized ass, she had braces but I had to let it slide. Picture Kim Kardasian and Lauren London slammed together with with a bigger ass and flatter face. I fuked it up by falling asleep when she texted me to chill after the bar one night. She got angry and didn't reply after that. Lol. Typical.


The girls are crazy tho. I keep getting burned by them because they look so good but they are mostly all batshit insane.

[soup]

What do you think is worse for the world, Gypsies or feminists?

[Agastya]

Are there any attractive gypsies? They're descended from the medieval Indian "dhoma", or wandering untouchables, who, following their exodus to Christendom, were frequently raped and enslaved by the Europeans whose nations they squatted on. Usually white and Indian mixes very well. I would imagine that a thousand years of such admixture would produce some very attractive women, poverty and godawful hygiene notwithstanding.

[turbopg]

Quote:

Tigan? Laugh We say "cigan". Your name for them makes them sound like tigers.

actually the spelling in Romanian is not tigan but țigan, ț is pronounced like tz . http://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C8%9Aigani . just like the Italians are calling them zingari, the germans are calling them Zigeuner, they are also called gitani, gitanos in like Spanish or Italian, so for the EU to come and say "we're giving you a fine of 7000 euros if you call them what you've always called them and other countries are calling them", that's absolute politically correct bullshit. the amount of the fine is also absolutely ridiculous, a Romanian earns 7000 euro in 2 years of work, this fine is an absolute joke made by people that never leave their Brussels office.
10 years from now, the gypsies will again have turned rrom or Roma or Romani into despised words that still point at them gypsies and then we'll be fined for calling them that. they'll think of some new word they want to be called, the problem is not with the word, it's with the people the word describes.

and unfortunately for us Romanians, there's another confusion, in Romanian the translation for Romanians is "români", which on the internet we write "romani" with the English keyboard but inspite of the coincidence, these words have nothing to do with the Romani or rromani names of the gypsy tribes (just like the gypsy Roma has nothing to do with the Italian capital Roma). our name comes from the Romans, while their name comes from their Indian gypsy tribes. the unfortunate similarity obviously creates confusion and mainly Italians seem to confuse Romanians with gypsies (or some pretend to confuse us just because they fear losing their jobs to Romanian immigrants that are willing to work for less money than they are).
Romanian gypsies claim to be Romanians abroad particularly when they commit crimes, to hide being gypsies, but in fact in their IDs it's specified that they have Romanian citizenship but gypsy ethnicity while us Romanians have both Romanian citizenship and Romanian ethnicity, even in our IDs

@Agaysta - as for attractive gypsy women, I can tell you that here even if a gypsy woman is phisically attractive, we'll still stay away from her. They are associated with being dirty, loud, uneducated, crass, pickpocketing, possibly prostitutes, they have gypsy families with even dangerous family members besides uneducated. For us Romanians it would be actually embarrasing to be seen with gypsy women, so Romanians and gypsies don't mingle. We're separate, Romanians mate and are friends with Romanians while gypsies mate and are friends with other gypsies. it's as if like the gypsies are permanently tourists around here, they're not integrated even after 1000 years.

only by mistake I have hooked up with a gypsy woman once at night, her hair was dyed blonde and I didn't realize she was gypsy, but she was alright. I only realized she had been gypsy when I looked at the flash photos I took with her. it is possible that I've missed out on civilized clean gypsy women but generally I opted to not risk, gypsies have a bad reputation even if they're hot women, I usually just watch my pockets when I see gypsies around.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

Oh so it's actually the same.... your underscored 'ț' equals our 'c'.



We also have the expression "ciganluk", which means "a circus", "a mess" or "something done in the gypsy manner", and ciganiti se, which means "to make a fuss out of pride, just for the sake of making a fuss".

[turbopg]

yes, in Romanian "țigănie" or "țigăneala" means to do something in a bad or ugly way or that something is done in a bad or ugly way.
"a te țigăni" means to act in a bad way or to act in a begging way (gypsy style)
and these are old expressions, the gypsies' behavior has been despised every since they came here, nothing new. I only hope that the EU rulers will over time realize that their political correctness is actually incorrect and sometimes doesn't apply. just like the Sarkozy "violated" the EU law, gave 300 euros to every gypsy and expelled them from France, flying them back to countries such as Romania. however their problem is that nothing is stopping the gypsies from going back to France cause we're in the EU. But Romanians don't want the gypsies back either, the fact is that the whole Europe doesn't want the gypsies. if you'd ask me, their country is India, that's where they can feel right at home again, playing their oriental music that they love so much, speaking their Indian dialect and building their oriental houses or living dirty among cardboards. the gypsies that don't integrate into the European culture and ethics to put it frankly should be expelled from the EU, not just from France. the EU hopes it will educate the gypsies... they will NEVER do it, by European standards most gypsies' brains seem to be miswired, they don't fit in anywhere in Europe.

the EU has warned the US that it will impose sanctions for not letting Romanians and Bulgarians travel to the US without a VISA, because the US was supposed to already have lifted the need for a VISA as it has done for the other EU states. Why don't the US want to lift the need for a VISA in the case of Romania and Bulgaria? Because they fear that the gypsies will continue their migration westward and then troll the US as well.