Summary of my story:
Super cute when I was young, cute enough that women wouldn't take no for an answer.
Psychological issues, stopped doing much with women about 15 years ago.
Fell deeper into depression/betatude. Stopped the plunge about 2 years ago. About 2 months ago, I renounced MGTOW because I can't say I don't want something I can't get. I do want it and have had trouble with women asking me if I have a gf.
I'm still ok looking, I'm about 40 but look 25-30. I lift but have enough fat so that my abs don't show, naturally skinny but I do have some muscles because of the lifting. Good solid career that people don't associate with Gaming or Players, most guys at work are family men, gay, or awkward. I'm awkward and shy but I can be charming when I just let myself do what comes naturally and not worry if it's "working."
I keep getting things like, "Why don't you wear a ring?" "What does your wife do?" "What's your girlfriend like?"
It screws me up because I have a 10 year black hole in my past. What am I supposed to say about it?
I was with a masseuse yesterday (fully legit place, I don't do P4P). We talked and she refused to believe I don't have a gf. I had an hour session and she must have pestered me about it half a dozen times.
She asked if I liked bad girls or nice girls and I told her bad girls like me. She kept pestering me about the issue and I told her I'm too busy with work to have a girlfriend who takes too much time. She said I'm picky. Later she says "You must have lot of girls want you, you're a nice guy." I said there's lots of disappointed girls because I'm so picky. She laughed.
I passed a number of her shit tests. I passed the "I've dated black guys." test, the "I'm 30 and my son is 17." test. (She said "You're smiling." I replied "Yeah, I always smile when I get a math problem right." It took her a bit to get that one but she laughed.) I passed the "I have a bf." test, I passed the "I don't know why, but if I call my ex bf, he just send money, even if I not with him." test. Overall, I passed the "I'm a semi pro, do you have a problem with that?" test.
My goal is to shore her, one or more of her massage girls (she's the proprietor and a provider), and or one or more of her friends. I have a finite appetite for bullshit and I need a Red Pill woman. I personally have nothing against P4P and view guys who do it as Red Pill as long as they have the option to score without paying. In that case, they're paying cash to reduce trouble and save time. I have nothing against P4P girls because they are honest about what other girls lie about.
Now, I am fully aware that this masseuse may be gaming me into tips and return visits. She put me in the camel clutch and it was too hard (I thought the Iron Sheik was about to humble me) so I threatened not to tip her. I ended up tipping 20 because it was the best massage I've ever had. 20 is a reasonable tip, 10 is cheap, more than 20 would look like approval seeking or a down payment on future P4P.
So, my question for RVF members, is, how do I pass this shit test? I think the best thing is to lie. There's simply no way for me to explain 10 years of celibacy and depression and still be appealing. It was 10 years of what is called incel, 10 years of being a loser outside of building a career. 10 years of 0 social life. It's past and I'm back in The Game but stumbling bad over this shit test. It's not just AMP girls, it's cougars, waitresses, checkers, bookstore women, women on the beach, etc. They all hit me with this one and it's killing me.
Super cute when I was young, cute enough that women wouldn't take no for an answer.
Psychological issues, stopped doing much with women about 15 years ago.
Fell deeper into depression/betatude. Stopped the plunge about 2 years ago. About 2 months ago, I renounced MGTOW because I can't say I don't want something I can't get. I do want it and have had trouble with women asking me if I have a gf.
I'm still ok looking, I'm about 40 but look 25-30. I lift but have enough fat so that my abs don't show, naturally skinny but I do have some muscles because of the lifting. Good solid career that people don't associate with Gaming or Players, most guys at work are family men, gay, or awkward. I'm awkward and shy but I can be charming when I just let myself do what comes naturally and not worry if it's "working."
I keep getting things like, "Why don't you wear a ring?" "What does your wife do?" "What's your girlfriend like?"
It screws me up because I have a 10 year black hole in my past. What am I supposed to say about it?
I was with a masseuse yesterday (fully legit place, I don't do P4P). We talked and she refused to believe I don't have a gf. I had an hour session and she must have pestered me about it half a dozen times.
She asked if I liked bad girls or nice girls and I told her bad girls like me. She kept pestering me about the issue and I told her I'm too busy with work to have a girlfriend who takes too much time. She said I'm picky. Later she says "You must have lot of girls want you, you're a nice guy." I said there's lots of disappointed girls because I'm so picky. She laughed.
I passed a number of her shit tests. I passed the "I've dated black guys." test, the "I'm 30 and my son is 17." test. (She said "You're smiling." I replied "Yeah, I always smile when I get a math problem right." It took her a bit to get that one but she laughed.) I passed the "I have a bf." test, I passed the "I don't know why, but if I call my ex bf, he just send money, even if I not with him." test. Overall, I passed the "I'm a semi pro, do you have a problem with that?" test.
My goal is to shore her, one or more of her massage girls (she's the proprietor and a provider), and or one or more of her friends. I have a finite appetite for bullshit and I need a Red Pill woman. I personally have nothing against P4P and view guys who do it as Red Pill as long as they have the option to score without paying. In that case, they're paying cash to reduce trouble and save time. I have nothing against P4P girls because they are honest about what other girls lie about.
Now, I am fully aware that this masseuse may be gaming me into tips and return visits. She put me in the camel clutch and it was too hard (I thought the Iron Sheik was about to humble me) so I threatened not to tip her. I ended up tipping 20 because it was the best massage I've ever had. 20 is a reasonable tip, 10 is cheap, more than 20 would look like approval seeking or a down payment on future P4P.
So, my question for RVF members, is, how do I pass this shit test? I think the best thing is to lie. There's simply no way for me to explain 10 years of celibacy and depression and still be appealing. It was 10 years of what is called incel, 10 years of being a loser outside of building a career. 10 years of 0 social life. It's past and I'm back in The Game but stumbling bad over this shit test. It's not just AMP girls, it's cougars, waitresses, checkers, bookstore women, women on the beach, etc. They all hit me with this one and it's killing me.
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