[EsperZebrah]

There is an article from ABC news about this book.

[Hades]

Naw, soup is right. We are smarter, stronger, and faster. Saying that men are the fragile sex is just misusing the definition of strength.

[HeyPete]

I read that book when it came out a few years back.

She was amazed how men's friends rallied for each other and would do anything for each other. Unlike bitches and their "friends."

Also, she said she hated how women dismissed her on sight (when she was a man) like a flick of their finger and how mad it made her.

There were some other gems too.

[Basil Ransom]

(05-25-2013 06:49 PM)soup Wrote:  

She's saying that it sucks to be man because she doesn't know how to be a man.

We've had much more experience at than she. It's like that lesbo I hooked up with yesterday saying that it's much harder for her to get girls. Why? Because you don't have any game, you dyke. You never needed it.

That book is bullshit. It's much better to be a man than a woman.

We don't bleed out of our dicks every month, we have a longer shelf life and don't hit the wall as fast. We are stronger, faster, smarter. We aren't slaves to our emotions.

We get to fuck things instead of the other way around.

You missed the point of the book. It's not necessarily about who has it harder. JimNortonFan nailed it (below). Every slut looks at the guys who pump and dump her and thinks, "it's not fair that he gets to choose while I get left behind! Men have it so easy!" Of course, she's ignoring all the men that she rejects, as well as all the effort her man takes to achieve and maintain his status, plus the rejection that he still gets from most girls.

The book is saying, no, it's not that easy being a man, so don't assume it is.

From listening to her on the Howard Stern show, she sounds pretty sensible, and not an ideological nut like most hardcore feminists/lesbians.

(05-25-2013 06:20 PM)JimNortonFan Wrote:  

You ever see the SNL skit where Eddie Murphy puts on make up, calls himself Mr. White and goes out into the world?

He asks for a loan at the bank and they gust give him $, etc.

Some women think that if they were a man life would be like it was for "Mr. White" in the skit.

They should read this book.

[Timoteo]

(05-25-2013 08:54 PM)Andy_B Wrote:  

(05-25-2013 08:00 PM)sheesh Wrote:  

(05-25-2013 06:49 PM)soup Wrote:  

That book is bullshit. It's much better to be a man than a woman. [...].

We are stronger, faster, smarter. We aren't slaves to our emotions.

What a load of nonsense. Last time I checked, the majority of homeless, drug addicts, alcoholics, school drop outs, illiterates, jobless, convicted criminals, those living unhealthy etc etc. were men, not women.

It's men who are falling through the cracks in society.
Men are the fragile sex, not the strong sex, even medicine knows that (weaker immune system, lower life expectancy, more serious illnesses etc. )

This is sort of an oversimplification. If "strong" means tolerance for pain, or immunity to illness, women are stronger; if "strong" means capacity for physical exertion or risk taking, men are stronger. But I think I get what you're saying. So many manosphere dudes get mad as fuck when feminists say women are better than men, then come right up on the rebound saying men are so much better than women. I don't know if I've learned a whole lot in my life, but I sure as fuck know that you're not a grown adult if you think like that. It's the perfect recipe for ensuring that retarded Western gender politics keeps destroying society for years and years to come.

I also question the pain tolerance issue. Women will say that because they endure childbirth, they automatically have greater tolerance for pain than men do. But not all women endure that pain - they opt for epidurals or other pain relief. Men are less likely to go to the doctor if something hurts - they are more likely to push through it without complaint. If a woman suffers discomfort, or is under any kind of duress, she's more likely to take that out on others around her from my experience. Women are more likely to complain, while men are more likely to endure it in silence. Men have lower life expectancy because of the stresses we impose on ourselves. I don't know if saying we have "weaker" immunity is accurate - perhaps it's because we subject ourselves to more adverse conditions, and stress our bodies physically in such a way that subjects our immune systems to greater attack.

[gamepadawan]

(05-25-2013 10:11 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  

(05-25-2013 08:54 PM)Andy_B Wrote:  

(05-25-2013 08:00 PM)sheesh Wrote:  

(05-25-2013 06:49 PM)soup Wrote:  

That book is bullshit. It's much better to be a man than a woman. [...].

We are stronger, faster, smarter. We aren't slaves to our emotions.

What a load of nonsense. Last time I checked, the majority of homeless, drug addicts, alcoholics, school drop outs, illiterates, jobless, convicted criminals, those living unhealthy etc etc. were men, not women.

It's men who are falling through the cracks in society.
Men are the fragile sex, not the strong sex, even medicine knows that (weaker immune system, lower life expectancy, more serious illnesses etc. )

This is sort of an oversimplification. If "strong" means tolerance for pain, or immunity to illness, women are stronger; if "strong" means capacity for physical exertion or risk taking, men are stronger. But I think I get what you're saying. So many manosphere dudes get mad as fuck when feminists say women are better than men, then come right up on the rebound saying men are so much better than women. I don't know if I've learned a whole lot in my life, but I sure as fuck know that you're not a grown adult if you think like that. It's the perfect recipe for ensuring that retarded Western gender politics keeps destroying society for years and years to come.

I also question the pain tolerance issue. Women will say that because they endure childbirth, they automatically have greater tolerance for pain than men do. But not all women endure that pain - they opt for epidurals or other pain relief. Men are less likely to go to the doctor if something hurts - they are more likely to push through it without complaint. If a woman suffers discomfort, or is under any kind of duress, she's more likely to take that out on others around her from my experience. Women are more likely to complain, while men are more likely to endure it in silence. Men have lower life expectancy because of the stresses we impose on ourselves. I don't know if saying we have "weaker" immunity is accurate - perhaps it's because we subject ourselves to more adverse conditions, and stress our bodies physically in such a way that subjects our immune systems to greater attack.

women are less fragile because men will always be there to white knight, women have men to latch on to if they have bastards, government run by men if they can't find that, they can gold dig and get men to do shit for them, if men just left women to their own devices they would be fucked

[Timoteo]

(05-25-2013 10:47 PM)gamepadawan Wrote:  

(05-25-2013 10:11 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  

(05-25-2013 08:54 PM)Andy_B Wrote:  

(05-25-2013 08:00 PM)sheesh Wrote:  

(05-25-2013 06:49 PM)soup Wrote:  

That book is bullshit. It's much better to be a man than a woman. [...].

We are stronger, faster, smarter. We aren't slaves to our emotions.

What a load of nonsense. Last time I checked, the majority of homeless, drug addicts, alcoholics, school drop outs, illiterates, jobless, convicted criminals, those living unhealthy etc etc. were men, not women.

It's men who are falling through the cracks in society.
Men are the fragile sex, not the strong sex, even medicine knows that (weaker immune system, lower life expectancy, more serious illnesses etc. )

This is sort of an oversimplification. If "strong" means tolerance for pain, or immunity to illness, women are stronger; if "strong" means capacity for physical exertion or risk taking, men are stronger. But I think I get what you're saying. So many manosphere dudes get mad as fuck when feminists say women are better than men, then come right up on the rebound saying men are so much better than women. I don't know if I've learned a whole lot in my life, but I sure as fuck know that you're not a grown adult if you think like that. It's the perfect recipe for ensuring that retarded Western gender politics keeps destroying society for years and years to come.

I also question the pain tolerance issue. Women will say that because they endure childbirth, they automatically have greater tolerance for pain than men do. But not all women endure that pain - they opt for epidurals or other pain relief. Men are less likely to go to the doctor if something hurts - they are more likely to push through it without complaint. If a woman suffers discomfort, or is under any kind of duress, she's more likely to take that out on others around her from my experience. Women are more likely to complain, while men are more likely to endure it in silence. Men have lower life expectancy because of the stresses we impose on ourselves. I don't know if saying we have "weaker" immunity is accurate - perhaps it's because we subject ourselves to more adverse conditions, and stress our bodies physically in such a way that subjects our immune systems to greater attack.

women are less fragile because men will always be there to white knight, women have men to latch on to if they have bastards, government run by men if they can't find that, they can gold dig and get men to do shit for them, if men just left women to their own devices they would be fucked

Yep. Which is why every time a woman goes into "I am woman, hear me roar" mode, you drop some shit like this on them and watch 'em squirm.

[NY Digital]

Lol @ thinking women have higher pain tolerance. You're super brainwashed.

Men fought wars and defended territory while hunting wild animals. All women had to do was endure short term birth periods.

[Basil Ransom]

ABC Special on her

http://vimeo.com/28614921
http://vimeo.com/28616724
http://vimeo.com/28617496

[username]

(05-25-2013 06:20 PM)JimNortonFan Wrote:  

You ever see the SNL skit where Eddie Murphy puts on make up, calls himself Mr. White and goes out into the world?

He asks for a loan at the bank and they gust give him $, etc.

Some women think that if they were a man life would be like it was for "Mr. White" in the skit.

They should read this book.

Link: http://www.hulu.com/watch/10356

Might be USA only.

[sheesh]

(05-25-2013 09:21 PM)Hades Wrote:  

Naw, soup is right. We are smarter, stronger, and faster. Saying that men are the fragile sex is just misusing the definition of strength.

So what are you good for then in today's society ? For taking out the garbage ? For getting your head blown off in Afghanistan ? Doing low paid manual work if such jobs are still available while women are getting their PhDs ?

Muscles don't mean shit in life.

With regard to being smarter...I wish it were true.

[Tytalus]

Didn't this book come out about 5 years ago?

[Goldin Boy]

Quote:

women are less fragile because men will always be there to white knight, women have men to latch on to if they have bastards, government run by men if they can't find that, they can gold dig and get men to do shit for them, if men just left women to their own devices they would be fucked

This.

But to expand, I always noticed at work when a new female co-worker started she always quickly try to make friends with everyone in her vicinity.

Women are less creative, physically weaker, and more risk averse on average than men: the adage "safety in numbers" in built into their brains ergo group cooperation is vastly more important for women because it spells survival for them.

In the ancestral environment, a man could leave the group of his own will or be ostracized and it wouldn't matter: He could fashion simple tools to hunt, farm, and build a shelter, he'd be fine till old age. A woman couldn't likely do and would starve/freeze to death or find a new group.

^^Also explains why women would be more likely to favor anything socialist(98% of what Obama says) and anything that has to do with wealth redistribution. They don't have the brains/balls to get those resources but they still want them and would like Big Daddy Government to get it for them.

This thread is devolving into a man vs woman debate. Strength is a relative term and humans are dimorphic. A power saw is no better than a hammer, relatively speaking, contextually it depends on the work I plan to do today.

[Goldin Boy]

Quote:

So what are you good for then in today's society ? For taking out the garbage ? For getting your head blown off in Afghanistan ? Doing low paid manual work if such jobs are still available while women are getting their PhDs ?

Is a Ph.D in Art History really useful? You're assuming that everyone who get a degree is getting in something practical. The Comp Lit major who made my Frappucinno would disagree with you.

Quote:

Muscles don't mean shit in life.

I've taken anatomy and physiology classes and that's not true. How did you type your post? With your mind?

Every person who pushes papers in HR or an office isn't valuable. Garbage collection is a very important job; are you going to hoist a weeks worht of your household trash into a vehicle and drive it to the dump 20 miles away? Unless you are Professor Charles Xavier this is oversimplification and wrong.

[Teedub]

(05-26-2013 06:24 AM)sheesh Wrote:  

With regard to being smarter...I wish it were true.

Are you joking? Men are smarter than women on average. Perhaps not in terms of IQ, but men have a much wider knowledge base and have interests in a much more diverse array of subjects, which are not limited to themselves and celebrity gossip. Talking of IQ though, men ARE more likely to be both at the bottom end, and the top end. Men tend to extremes, women's intelligence falls between lesser parameters, if that makes sense.

[kosko]

(05-25-2013 10:11 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  

(05-25-2013 08:54 PM)Andy_B Wrote:  

(05-25-2013 08:00 PM)sheesh Wrote:  

(05-25-2013 06:49 PM)soup Wrote:  

That book is bullshit. It's much better to be a man than a woman. [...].

We are stronger, faster, smarter. We aren't slaves to our emotions.

What a load of nonsense. Last time I checked, the majority of homeless, drug addicts, alcoholics, school drop outs, illiterates, jobless, convicted criminals, those living unhealthy etc etc. were men, not women.

It's men who are falling through the cracks in society.
Men are the fragile sex, not the strong sex, even medicine knows that (weaker immune system, lower life expectancy, more serious illnesses etc. )

This is sort of an oversimplification. If "strong" means tolerance for pain, or immunity to illness, women are stronger; if "strong" means capacity for physical exertion or risk taking, men are stronger. But I think I get what you're saying. So many manosphere dudes get mad as fuck when feminists say women are better than men, then come right up on the rebound saying men are so much better than women. I don't know if I've learned a whole lot in my life, but I sure as fuck know that you're not a grown adult if you think like that. It's the perfect recipe for ensuring that retarded Western gender politics keeps destroying society for years and years to come.

I also question the pain tolerance issue. Women will say that because they endure childbirth, they automatically have greater tolerance for pain than men do. But not all women endure that pain - they opt for epidurals or other pain relief. Men are less likely to go to the doctor if something hurts - they are more likely to push through it without complaint. If a woman suffers discomfort, or is under any kind of duress, she's more likely to take that out on others around her from my experience. Women are more likely to complain, while men are more likely to endure it in silence. Men have lower life expectancy because of the stresses we impose on ourselves. I don't know if saying we have "weaker" immunity is accurate - perhaps it's because we subject ourselves to more adverse conditions, and stress our bodies physically in such a way that subjects our immune systems to greater attack.

Nature had to make the female more resilient.

Men are indeed more prone to ailments and sickness. Toxins and disease strike us more with greater intensity. No modern man is fighting wars here, most live simple lives and still clunk out early. Devine design had to create the female more robust as she carries life. Men need to accept this.

The feat of the typical women eating like shit, smoking, etc and still being able to birth to a healthy baby is amazing. You look at how young expecting mothers treat their bodies and it's amazing these kids come out okay.

Pain is relative and different for each person. Pain does not equal strength. Pain builds strength but they are not them same.

There are tribes that have rituals in which they channel away the "feeling" of pain by simply removing it from their spirtual self.

The body is more prone to pain when it is stressed, pain makes the body more resilient and makes it grow, but (and most important) the body does not grow when it is stressed.

Tribal masters would rid away stress, then surpress and shift the "feeling" of pain away to then be in a constant state of growth.

For females and males the best analogy is that a female has stronger shield while a man has a stronger sword. If both are elite none really powers over one. Men and women both at 100% is a balanced attack -- with both you move (civilization) forward. That is what Devine Design intended.

I am in the camp that both sexes have to be at 100% in their natural roles. Both are at a deficit right now with women trying to overcompensate the greater male deficit by taking on male traits instead of simply their own.

[bojangles]

I thought the pain thing was disproved with the kick in the bollocks being 1000x more painful than childbirth

[Homo_Sapien]

kosko Wrote:

Nature had to make the female more resilient.

Men are indeed more prone to ailments and sickness. Toxins and disease strike us more with greater intensity. No modern man is fighting wars here, most live simple lives and still clunk out early. Devine design had to create the female more robust as she carries life. Men need to accept this.

The feat of the typical women eating like shit, smoking, etc and still being able to birth to a healthy baby is amazing. You look at how young expecting mothers treat their bodies and it's amazing these kids come out okay.

Pain is relative and different for each person. Pain does not equal strength. Pain builds strength but they are not them same.

There are tribes that have rituals in which they channel away the "feeling" of pain by simply removing it from their spirtual self.

The body is more prone to pain when it is stressed, pain makes the body more resilient and makes it grow, but (and most important) the body does not grow when it is stressed.

Tribal masters would rid away stress, then surpress and shift the "feeling" of pain away to then be in a constant state of growth.

For females and males the best analogy is that a female has stronger shield while a man has a stronger sword. If both are elite none really powers over one. Men and women both at 100% is a balanced attack -- with both you move (civilization) forward. That is what Devine Design intended.

I am in the camp that both sexes have to be at 100% in their natural roles. Both are at a deficit right now with women trying to overcompensate the greater male deficit by taking on male traits instead of simply their own.

Devine Design?

I'd love to hear more about that.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

Or Bovine Design?

[A War You Cannot Win]

What are men good for?

For keeping the lights on, the water hot, air in the summer, heat in the winter,and your precious Internet running. The last time I checked, the vast majority of women simply do not care about or know how to keep these things you probably take for granted running.

I pray that one day, all these things go away and never come back.

[gamepadawan]

(05-26-2013 06:24 AM)sheesh Wrote:  

(05-25-2013 09:21 PM)Hades Wrote:  

Naw, soup is right. We are smarter, stronger, and faster. Saying that men are the fragile sex is just misusing the definition of strength.

So what are you good for then in today's society ? For taking out the garbage ? For getting your head blown off in Afghanistan ? Doing low paid manual work if such jobs are still available while women are getting their PhDs ?

Muscles don't mean shit in life.

With regard to being smarter...I wish it were true.

women get degrees in stupid shit bro

[kosko]

(05-28-2013 08:09 AM)bojangles Wrote:  

I thought the pain thing was disproved with the kick in the bollocks being 1000x more painful than childbirth

Pain is a tricky thing to measure. Pain isn't a real feeling or a 'thing' that can be gauged as its 100% a brain thing. As I mentioned everybody experiences it different and you can teach your self to by-pass and suppress the manifestation and thus feeling of it. Your body reacts to pain very slowly in comparison to other manifestations. Many times he pain can be re-directed by applying more attention or force to the wound.

Just think how many men have died from getting canned? Few if none. But a grueling childbirth will kill many females -- many women get fucked up bad giving birth, it's no walk in the park even still with all of our medical advancements.

[sixsix]

Why does this need to be another thread with useless 'What gender is the best?' arguments?
Like somebody said, that is just keeping the feminist gender politics going.

Soup was right: men are better, faster and stronger.

Sheesh was also right: men are weaker and have it worse.

Simple solution is that the game men are playing is tougher, but we are stronger and more badass.
High risk and high reward.
Women can sit around and enjoy good shit being given to them.
Men have to work for their share, but if they are at the top, it's fucking great.

***

By the way, women aren't build more durable or anything.

Men are more susceptible to disease and early death because of the immunosuppressive effects of testosterone.

That's why T levels are limited by, and an indicator of, good physical health.

***

On topic: Awesome woman. I definitely respect her honesty and openness to challenging her prejudices.

Would be a good idea for everyone, including us.

[sixsix]

And besides the Societal Gender Analysis on who has it the best...

Personally, I think it's fucking great to be a man.

Yeah, we might have to fight an uphill battle in some ways, but averages should only bother average people.
We are designed to control the outcome by controlling our minds and thereby our environments.

No go out and fuck shit up.

[Fredster]

If things get to hard for men, this will only affect the beta male the most. And since society is built on the beta male's back for alpha males and females to ride off, giving men a tougher time in life is only going to cripple society.

Great chick though, never sen a woman speak with such honesty and non-bias openness.