[bojangles]

(04-29-2013 08:02 AM)Sailor Wrote:  

Miss Reed is reading what you guys are posting

http://coveredinbandaids.tumblr.com/post...es-to-rape


"Will I be offended if, on a forum where you intend to accuse me of being a misandrist and a closeted lesbian, you post a picture of my little sister? Yes. There are plenty of photos of me on the Internet that don’t also show one of my family members. If you have a problem with me, fine. My family are none of your concern."

well tell her to fuck off and stop making rape equivalent to consensual sex. Stupid fucking bitches like her insulting women who have been really raped.

[Travelsick]

Why do people have such a hard time grasping an ambivalent situation?

The woman here is not at fault for feeling what she feels. Nor is the guy. He had no intention to rape her but that is indeed how she feels about it. It's just one of those cluster fucks that happen. Obviously he feel bad about it and I understand that he does. I would too. I wonder what she feels she might gain by going public with this? And what do people gain by questioning her actions or motivation all over the internet? People do get traumatised and process it in a way that it surfaces years later through seemingly unrelated mechanisms. The human psyche is complex. This is not a question of right and wrong. It's just a shitty situation being aired in public in an ungracious way. Hopefully those involved will be able to finally process this and move past it and on with their lives.

[RandalGraves]

They were boyfriend-girlfriend after dating only two weeks? She was a virgin at 21? The guy did ten shots during pre-drinking? Well that was a powderkeg ready to explode.

[Days of Broken Arrows]

(04-29-2013 09:17 AM)RandalGraves Wrote:  

They were boyfriend-girlfriend after dating only two weeks? She was a virgin at 21? The guy did ten shots during pre-drinking? Well that was a powderkeg ready to explode.

...and actually makes me feel better that I rejected several virgins in college, fearing a disaster I couldn't quite define. I was screwing at 17-18 even though I was screwed up. The way I figured it was that if women weren't, they were even more screwed up than me, which is where I drew the line...

[Atilla]

(04-29-2013 08:02 AM)Sailor Wrote:  

Miss Reed is reading what you guys are posting

http://coveredinbandaids.tumblr.com/post...es-to-rape


"Will I be offended if, on a forum where you intend to accuse me of being a misandrist and a closeted lesbian, you post a picture of my little sister? Yes. There are plenty of photos of me on the Internet that don’t also show one of my family members. If you have a problem with me, fine. My family are none of your concern."

She complains about people posting photos of her sister, and posts a link to this thread containing a photo of her with her sister.

It's unfortunate her family is brought into this, but we have a right to know which people associate themselves with Tucker Reed, the false rape accuser, so we can avoid having the same thing happen to us. She should have thought of that before attention-whoring all over the internet, and trying to ruin a man's life by posting photos of him and falsely accusing him of rape. He's probably getting death threats and is having serious trouble with his reputation and career.

This is what rape looks like
http://www.buffalonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll...29134/1010

A 15-year-old girl was reported to have been "grabbed, pulled into a vehicle, punched into unconsciousness and raped."

Tucker Reed never put up any actual resistance. She was never beaten, threatened, or drugged. Again, it's very difficult to have sex with someone who is resisting, and she never wrote of any struggle taking place.

She brought him to her bedroom, merely gave the token resistance that she didn't want to, and "it happened anyway." She consented. She let him in without putting up resistance. She never said "stop." She told him it was hurting, which is normal for girls having sex for the first time. She said she "tried to pull away." Did she try to push him off, while telling him to stop? All she wrote was, "He pulled me closer." It sounds like she just allowed him to continue without clearly demonstrating that she wanted him to stop. Especially when you consider the fact that the accused man was very drunk, she should have known to make it loud and clear that she wanted him to stop.

By the way, she might not have lied about the details of the incident, so I think that can be appreciated. I think all she did was word the incident in a way that denies her responsibility, or implies some sort of force. She could have gone wild after making that recording with the accused man and said he threatened to beat the crap out of her. That would have made this a clear act of rape.

[NY Digital]

(04-29-2013 12:50 PM)Atilla Wrote:  

By the way, she might not have lied about the details of the incident, so I think that can be appreciated. I think all she did was word the incident in a way that denies her responsibility, or implies some sort of force. She could have gone wild after making that recording with the accused man and said he threatened to beat the crap out of her. That would have made this a clear act of rape.

Clearly a woman never lies.

[DLuzhin]

Like most young women, this eager little narcissist had no idea who she was, and likely spent most of her time in a kind of diffuse mental fog. Then one day she decided that an identity as a rape victim had some appeal, and so she decided to brand herself as one---though she had never been raped. So she identified an event in her past that she could plausibly twist into an occurrence of rape, and essentially lied her way into making it rape, lied her way into identity and permanence, and has now established a personal brand that has earned her some attention and some social cachet, especially in this age of vacuous, pointless tumblr feminism.

[Hannibal]

God damn. I know women are smarter than this.

If you bring a man over and you move things to the bedroom, the fuck do you think is going to happen?

[Ziltoid]

False Rape Accuser Wrote:

...
You are not contributing to your raison d’être by not knowing what you’re talking about.

When anyone gets self-righteous and indignant on the Internet and wants to persuade people to join in the fun, the irate person needs to be more educated than those he (or she) is attempting to convince.
...

[Hades]

Quote:

I’d also like to point out that nothing I have done so far is illegal, despite what some people seem to think. I made a claim. My rapist disputes this claim. (Because it is not a very nice claim, obviously.) I am not worried. He has a right to dispute the claim. Let him. I shrug.

"Not illegal" doesn't mean anything. Law enforcement has avoided prosecuting and legislating against false accusers for many years because it "might discourage rape victims from coming forward".

[lurker]

(04-29-2013 10:21 PM)Hades Wrote:  

Quote:

I’d also like to point out that nothing I have done so far is illegal, despite what some people seem to think. I made a claim. My rapist disputes this claim. (Because it is not a very nice claim, obviously.) I am not worried. He has a right to dispute the claim. Let him. I shrug.

"Not illegal" doesn't mean anything. Law enforcement has avoided prosecuting and legislating against false accusers for many years because it "might discourage rape victims from coming forward".

First off, it's "actionable" whether or not it's illegal, which means he can sue in tort for her defamatory remarks. Second, it may in fact be illegal, as the unilateral recording statutes she cites in defending her trolled "confessions" are undoubtedly there to protect undercover LEO and may not apply to cases where private citizens are seeking to tortfease one another.

[2Wycked]

(04-30-2013 02:07 AM)lurker Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 10:21 PM)Hades Wrote:  

Quote:

I’d also like to point out that nothing I have done so far is illegal, despite what some people seem to think. I made a claim. My rapist disputes this claim. (Because it is not a very nice claim, obviously.) I am not worried. He has a right to dispute the claim. Let him. I shrug.

"Not illegal" doesn't mean anything. Law enforcement has avoided prosecuting and legislating against false accusers for many years because it "might discourage rape victims from coming forward".

First off, it's "actionable" whether or not it's illegal, which means he can sue in tort for her defamatory remarks. Second, it may in fact be illegal, as the unilateral recording statutes she cites in defending her trolled "confessions" are undoubtedly there to protect undercover LEO and may not apply to cases where private citizens are seeking to tortfease one another.

Exactly. When I read it, I was thinking she could be burying herself. She really must think she is completely in the right to be so naive about the potential legal ramifications.

[lurker]

(04-30-2013 02:13 AM)2Wycked Wrote:  

Exactly. When I read it, I was thinking she could be burying herself. She really must think she is completely in the right to be so naive about the potential legal ramifications.

Well, she did do it on the advice of her pre-law friend. lozzozlzoolzlzlzz.

Go check out the XOXO thread on it. Brutal.

[Hades]

So supposing this guy countersues in tort for defamatory remarks, what's the potential fallout could be expected on her behalf?

[bojangles]

(04-30-2013 02:43 AM)Hades Wrote:  

So supposing this guy countersues in tort for defamatory remarks, what's the potential fallout could be expected on her behalf?

isnt he already suing her?

[lurker]

He is already suing, from what I read. The potential fallout is difficult to ascertain, as he may rapidly find himself in the same "trap" she is in: a case to prosecute but not enough evidence to prove the matter by his preponderance of the evidence burden. To show defamation, he has the obligation to prove the falsity of the statements, a task made much harder by her recordings in which he ostensibly admits culpability. Whether they can come in as evidence is also unclear; in a civil case, he doesn't have the same Constitutional safeguards that would thwart her introduction of the recordings in the criminal setting.

The other consideration is the social fallout, which is an interesting question itself: will the hit to her reputation be any worse if she lost at trial or settled the case than it is already? As long as she sticks to her story and doesn't admit the entire thing was consensual/a witch hunt, she gets to maintain her narrative as "silenced rape victim," which should even boost her standing among her supporters. The only danger is that a wider swath of people who don't believe her would hear about the case; however, as she already got it to go viral, that may be pissing into the ocean at this point.

[J DOE]

How can someone 'realize' that they were raped? If I got raped, I would know within seconds of it occurring. I would be aware of what was going on during, and would be fighting as best I could to prevent it from occurring. Why are we allowing this kind of shit to be taken seriously? The comments section from that article is pretty fucked up.

[Atilla]

(04-30-2013 11:41 AM)J DOE Wrote:  

How can someone 'realize' that they were raped? If I got raped, I would know within seconds of it occurring. I would be aware of what was going on during, and would be fighting as best I could to prevent it from occurring. Why are we allowing this kind of shit to be taken seriously? The comments section from that article is pretty fucked up.

That’s how feminists have come up with the “One in four women in America are raped” figure. Actually, it drops to one in nine after this criteria is removed:

“Have you had sexual intercourse when you didn't want to because a man gave you alcohol or drugs?”

This meant that if a woman drank with her date and had sex with him which she later regret, she would likely be counted among the rape statistics. The feminists behind this study ended up conceding that this was ambiguously worded.

As Christina Hoff Sommers writes, even one in nine is unacceptably high:

73 percent of “rape victims” in this widely accepted study did not consider themselves to have been raped, and 42 percent of “rape victims” went on to have sex with their “attackers” on a later occasion.

“In line with her view of rape as existing on a continuum of male sexual aggression, Koss also asked: ‘Have you given in to sex play (fondling, kissing, or petting, but not intercourse) when you didn't want to because you were overwhelmed by a man's continual arguments and pressure?’ To this question, 53.7 percent responded affirmatively, and they were counted as having been sexually victimized.”

http://www.leaderu.com/real/ri9502/sommers.html

According to a study cited by Paul Elam, “57% of women who were raped on college campuses reported feelings that were described as ‘positive’ and ‘satisfied,’ about the experience,” and that “38% of the respondents reported a desire to repeat the experience, some obsessively so.”

http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/stu...xperience/

As many as 21 percent of women who claimed to have been raped admit to having at least one orgasm during the experience, and researchers have hypothesized that the real figure is probably higher due to the embarrassment and denial of having enjoyed the attack.

These are the “traumatizing and life-changing attacks” that are getting men sentenced to over 10 years in maximum-security prisons.

[lurker]

(04-30-2013 01:30 PM)Atilla Wrote:  

(04-30-2013 11:41 AM)J DOE Wrote:  

How can someone 'realize' that they were raped? If I got raped, I would know within seconds of it occurring. I would be aware of what was going on during, and would be fighting as best I could to prevent it from occurring. Why are we allowing this kind of shit to be taken seriously? The comments section from that article is pretty fucked up.

That’s how feminists have come up with the “One in four women in America are raped” figure. Actually, it drops to one in nine after this criteria is removed:

“Have you had sexual intercourse when you didn't want to because a man gave you alcohol or drugs?”

This meant that if a woman drank with her date and had sex with him which she later regret, she would likely be counted among the rape statistics. The feminists behind this study ended up conceding that this was ambiguously worded.

As Christina Hoff Sommers writes, even one in nine is unacceptably high:

73 percent of “rape victims” in this widely accepted study did not consider themselves to have been raped, and 42 percent of “rape victims” went on to have sex with their “attackers” on a later occasion.

“In line with her view of rape as existing on a continuum of male sexual aggression, Koss also asked: ‘Have you given in to sex play (fondling, kissing, or petting, but not intercourse) when you didn't want to because you were overwhelmed by a man's continual arguments and pressure?’ To this question, 53.7 percent responded affirmatively, and they were counted as having been sexually victimized.”

http://www.leaderu.com/real/ri9502/sommers.html

According to a study cited by Paul Elam, “57% of women who were raped on college campuses reported feelings that were described as ‘positive’ and ‘satisfied,’ about the experience,” and that “38% of the respondents reported a desire to repeat the experience, some obsessively so.”

http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/stu...xperience/

As many as 21 percent of women who claimed to have been raped admit to having at least one orgasm during the experience, and researchers have hypothesized that the real figure is probably higher due to the embarrassment and denial of having enjoyed the attack.

These are the “traumatizing and life-changing attacks” that are getting men sentenced to over 10 years in maximum-security prisons.

It honestly seems like a lot of study bias could have been avoided by wording that as "Have you ever had sexual intercourse when you didn't want to at the time the intercourse occurred because a man gave you alcohol or drugs?