[Sargon of Akkad]

(10-15-2013 10:26 AM)Menace Wrote:  

Sargon here is what I think:

Osaka: get a Chinese gf
Kyoto: try banging J girl here.

I'll see what I can do. After all, I'd hate to disappoint

Delenda est Ōsaka!

[Collide]

Why don't you get Seishun 18 Kippu when it's in season and visit some random cities on weekends?

I used to love going to unknown destinations and if the vibe wasn't good i'd hop on the train and go to the next one.

[Flint]

To Sargon and other Japan experts: what do you think of this?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oc...having-sex

[Bushido]

It was discussed in the MGTOW thread but it's true that many Japanese men have dropped out from dating at all. Hardcore working hours combined with less job security and lower pay than was true for past generations are all factors. Hence the huge porn industry and booming sex trade over here. Marriage is increasingly seen as a liability for men and even dating is seen as "mendokusai" (troublesome) by many.

At the same time, young women are picking up the slack and working the grueling office jobs that used to be for men only. Even if you meet an OL (Office Lady) out in a bar, you will often have to schedule a date with her weeks or months in advance. No kidding. That's why I prefer banging university students who are younger, hotter, more fun and have time on their hands. It's a no brainer really.

Don't be fooled though by this kind of article though. There is a significant minority of Japanese men (usually with money or looks) who play the field. Japanese girls are having sex but it's more and more with the alpha males who take all. The "average" guy might be having less sex but the elite are getting more. The guys dropping out just make it even easier.

[RichardRahl]

Sargon! Or anyone else for that matter.....new to the forum, but been following.
I'll be in Osaka next week, so a wingman would be cool, had fair success with J-girls here in Aus.

[DDZ]

Any updates Sargon ??

[Sargon of Akkad]

(11-19-2013 08:27 AM)DDZ Wrote:  

Any updates Sargon ??

I'd planned on not posting any new updates until I got my third notch in this country (which, as you can guess, has yet to happen). I guess I'll make an exception, since someone asked.

In short:
- 289 approaches counted thusfar (19 dates, about 10-ish "makeouts"), 2 bangs; about 3 solid prospects
- most recent approaches have been in clubs
- so far, my plan is to find a way to spend 2014 in another city in Japan, probably working as an English teacher of some sorts.

I'll post a more elaborate update with a few stories and current impressions. After that expect the following update to be either after I've broken the dryspell (or my time in Osaka has drawn to an end).

Delenda est Osaka.

[LEMONed IScream]

Wow Sargon, you took a real beating in Osaka. Best of luck for next year, you'll need it man. I suppose you'd have lots of luck in Tokyo

[kipp16]

(11-19-2013 01:30 PM)Sargon of Akkad Wrote:  

(11-19-2013 08:27 AM)DDZ Wrote:  

Any updates Sargon ??

I'd planned on not posting any new updates until I got my third notch in this country (which, as you can guess, has yet to happen). I guess I'll make an exception, since someone asked.

In short:
- 289 approaches counted thusfar (19 dates, about 10-ish "makeouts"), 2 bangs; about 3 solid prospects
- most recent approaches have been in clubs
- so far, my plan is to find a way to spend 2014 in another city in Japan, probably working as an English teacher of some sorts.

I'll post a more elaborate update with a few stories and current impressions. After that expect the following update to be either after I've broken the dryspell (or my time in Osaka has drawn to an end).

Delenda est Osaka.

Thats too bad Sargon, I've really enjoyed reading this thread with your frequent updates. I guess I can understand with the lack results you not wanting to keep updating as much as before.

I was in Japan for two weeks with work a few months back and I can believe everything you have said about the difficulty there. I was in a small city called Hakodate, but didn't get many chances to go out searching for girls with my work schedule as it was. My last night there I tried to go for broke as I love Asian girls and have dated a few here in Canada. I got blown out many times before coming across two girls, I'd say were in their early to mid 30's, on the street while moving between bars.

I'm not sure what your "fragrance game" is like but these two could not stop smelling my neck and chest area. They couldn't get enough of the fragrance I was wearing. My Japanese is non existent and their English wasn't much better, but I did mange to get them to come with me to a bar and we tried our best to communicate.

As it was getting later I tried my hardest to get them to come back to my hotel or go back to their places, but it was not going to happen. On the street I did get a couple kisses on the lips from one as we were saying our goodbyes. I'm sure if I wasn't leaving the next day I could have got somewhere with at least one on a future encounter.

Anyway, just throwing it out there if you haven't tried a nice cologne it may be a good way to at least get the ball rolling. These girls seem huge on fashion, style, cosmetics, and fragrances. I've enjoyed your reports and keep fighting the good fight Sargon.

[Collide]

(11-19-2013 01:30 PM)Sargon of Akkad Wrote:  

- so far, my plan is to find a way to spend 2014 in another city in Japan

Think about it.

[ChrisGambi]

The is no one on this forum i have more respect for. 289 approaches and still want tonstay in Japan, while the world's remaining pussy paradises are all a stone's throw away (including China where you have a massive compeditive advantage over 90% of the other fereigners). To be fair even thc who's an animal did not manage to score in japan.

Please tell me, are J girls really so magical?

[Sargon of Akkad]

Final Pre-Third Bang Update in Japan: Part I of II

I’ve decided to divide this into two parts, since it appears it’s going to get kind of long. After Part II, if I post anything, it'll be to answer questions only, not to update on my current stats (unless of course I get laid in the near future)...

My reasons for choosing to stay in Japan

Considering my current results, it would seem like a no-brainer that I’d want to get the fuck out of Japan as soon as possible, and indeed, I was strongly considering doing so for a long time. There are quite a few things that would speak in favor of leaving this place in search of greener pastures. For one, since I’ve already been to China and know what it’s like there, I can say with relative certainty that I would have much better results in a city like Bejjing or Shanghai (last time I averaged 1 to 2 girls a month), likely better than my first visit, since both my game and my Chinese have improved immensely since then. Hell, even Taiwan seems like a good spot, since all Taiwanese girls I’ve encountered both here and in Germany were the complete opposite of J-girls in terms of flakiness. Also, China in general has more opportunities than Japan, and Japanese food simply cannot measure up to Chinese food. Seriously, the food in China is better than sex, and you haven’t truly eaten until you’ve tried it. Despite these reasons, there are still

1. Minus the women, I generally like it here:
You wouldn’t notice it from my posts in this thread, but I am quite fond of Japan as a country. This is why I would still recommend a visit to this place, even if you experience similar problems with the local women. Generally, it is simply a nice place to live. For one, it’s extremely safe, it’s clean, and the service is excellent. Compared to China, it has a tremendous amount of cultural and historical value, especially in cities outside Osaka, like Kyoto or Nara. The people, despite generally having a constant 10 cm thick mask of bullshit on all the time, are some of the most civil, polite and helpful people you’ll ever encounter – really, compared to the Japanese, we are all hut-dwelling savages with bones through our noses. While I generally get along much better with Chinese people on a personal level after getting to know them, on a superficial, day-to-day level, they are highly irritating (think spitting, snotting, nose-picking, pushing and shoving, shouting, pissing, and a whole other list of minor annoyances). With the Japanese, the opposite is true. Basically, Japan is simply an overall pleasant place to be in. Whether my opinion will change in the long run is unknown, but for now, I personally prefer this place. Really, there are only two things preventing Japan from being a fucking utopia for me: (1) the scarcity of Chinese food and (2) the surreal, reality-defying flakiness of the women. If the latter problem were eradicated and I could find a way to pull with relative consistency and decent looking girls, so as not to be suffering from a constant state of blueballs, this would be an ideal place to live.

2. There is still much to see and learn:

Despite having spent a similar amount of time in both Japan and China, I feel like much more of a newb in regard to the former than the latter (partially because I’ve studied Chinese much longer than Japanese and have dated many more Chines girls than Japanese). There are still many parts of Japan I have yet to see and much of the local culture I have yet to find out about. Add to that the fact that my Japanese still isn’t anywhere near the same level as my Mandarin, I’d be missing out on quite a bit if I left so soon.

3. I’m doing it out of principle

Aside from the reasons for staying in Japan that I mentioned above, I feel as though taking the easy way out and going to China or Taiwan would be admitting defeat – an act of running away with my tail between my legs. Yeah, experience has shown that I’d get much better results elsewhere than I’m getting here, which would get my confidence back up, but in the back of my mind I would still be haunted by the fact that there is this one place where I’m an absolute chump with the local women, where I ran away like a little bitch. This will not do.
Therefore, think it would be best to reboot, try things out in a new city, (hopefully) with better funding and with better logistics, the last of which are perhaps the last nail in my coffin here in Osaka. To elaborate: most other foreign guys I’ve met here live about fifteen minutes away from the action on foot. As for me, if I want to take a woman home, I have two options available to me: The first is a cab and the second is public-fucking-transportation. Should I decide to take a cab home, I’d have to pay about 7000 yen (about 60 Euros, 70 USD) from Namba or Umeda to my place; at to that the cover price of the club (about 2500 yen), two or three drinks (about 2100 yen) and you’re looking at well over 10,000 yen for that night. With public transportation, I would have to spend – with the girl -- 10 to 15 minutes walking from the club to the nearest JR station, 5 minutes waiting for the train, about 8 minutes sitting on the train to Tsuruhashi, another 5 to 8 minutes waiting for the train after that, 8 minutes sitting on the train to Kyobashi, 5 minutes waiting for the 17 minute train ride to my next stop, and another 20 minutes walking from the station to my place, plus another 5 minutes walking time each if the girl’s wearing high heals (hint: she’s Japanese; of course she is). Now if THAT doesn’t sound like it’ll get a slightly tipsy 23 year old Japanese girl’s panties wet enough to drown a couple of newborn infants, well then I don’t know what will! Love-Hotels are an option, but unfortunately, I haven’t had too many opportunities to try those, but they can get pretty expensive too. This same predicament naturally applies to dates, with few venues within reasonable walking distance between my home and the nearest station. Of course logistics alone are not to blame, as the main problems have been (A) flakinesss (mainly due to lack of interest) and (B) girls in clubs who just want to grope, maybe make-out, maaaaybe get fingered a bit, but not leave the club with you. Nevertheless, I owe it to myself to try my luck under better circumstances one more time before I decide to call it quits for good and move on to other parts of the Sinosphere.

(11-19-2013 11:38 PM)ChrisGambi Wrote:  

Please tell me, are J girls really so magical?

It’s true I wouldn’t be this bent on trying to make things work if most Japanese chics were hags. It’s not that every Japanese girl is hot (of course there are swamp donkeys, boring girls, and the occasional fatty), or that there are no ugly or average looking women, just that among a random group of young to middle-aged Japanese women, you’ll find an unusually large amount of those who are extremely attractive. Really, in a crowded shopping or nightlife district in a major Japanese city. I’m not saying all or even most Japanese women look like this, but they are definitely not an uncommon site in Japan. I’d say if you take a group of 10 random Japanese girls off the street, probably 3 or 4 of them will look like the girl in the pic below (actually, the girl in this pic wouldn't really be that much of a stunner compared to some of the better talent you find here).



The girl in this video is by no means an uncommon sight either if you put her in regular cloths.

These are probably average university aged girls you'll find here. Again, maybe not everyone's cup of tea (admittedly, there are a few slightly ugly ones here and there), but if you're into Asians...

The girl in the link is relatively plain, but still falls within my type, and as common in Japan as sand on the beach.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/asianinfatu.../lightbox/

The picture below is of one of the more plain and boring-looking girls you find here. I’d say in relation to the other girls you find in Japan, she’s a 6.



These are also common girls you’re likely to find on the street at any given day (the pic in the middle and the one on the far right are both fairly common sights around Namba):



Again, minus the silly poses, this type of look is also very common around places like Shinsaibashi and Umeda.



Really, if these were any other girls, I’d say "fuck it", and there’d be no question in my mind as to whether I should even bother with them, but as a fellow member once said to me here “they’re just so fucking hot”. Part of this is genetic, but I’d say most is due (in the following order) to fashion, makeup, and nutrition.

Either way, given their overall personalities, I would’ve likely stopped bothering with them altogether after the first 60 or so flakes if they weren't so hot. Unfortunately, my stay here has been like the punishment of Tantalus in Hades.

I think that’s a wrap for Part I. Part II will basically be an overall summery of what I’ve been doing woman-wise for the past couple months and my general impressions.
More info coming soon, and as always…

Delenda est Osaka!

[Sargon of Akkad]

(11-19-2013 06:53 PM)Collide Wrote:  


Think about it.

Collide, is that an overhead view of Sapporo? How are the winters there? Care to drop a datasheet on that city?

(11-19-2013 11:38 PM)ChrisGambi Wrote:  

To be fair even thc who's an animal did not manage to score in japan.

I seem to remember THC saying he'd gotten his Japanese flag in Tokyo. Maybe I'm mistaken????

Delenda est Osaka!

[Marcusg]

Sargon, I don't mean to detail the thread, but you said China has better dishes than Japan. What city seems to be the hotspot for food in China? People tell me the opposite but since y ou been there f or some time I'm curious of your thoughts

[Marcusg]

Sargon, I don't mean to detail the thread, but you said China has better dishes than Japan. What city seems to be the hotspot for food in China? People tell me the opposite but since y ou been there f or some time I'm curious of your thoughts

[Bushido]

Sargon, glad you are opting to stick it out. Maybe trying out a new place will give you the fresh start you need. Keep us updated!

Sapporo is a good city but it's too fucking cold. I'd much rather do Fukuoka if I had free reign of Japan.

[Collide]

(11-20-2013 08:34 PM)dreambig Wrote:  

Sapporo is a good city but it's too fucking cold. I'd much rather do Fukuoka if I had free reign of Japan.

The winters are cold if you come from California, Texas etc. it may be out of your comfort zone. But there is a 1.3km underground walkway that connects all main areas of the city. Even if you travel on foot like I do you won't be spending too much time outdoors.

I haven't spent any time in Fukuoka but it's a tad smaller than Sapporo and there are more foreigners. The tradeoff is better weather, can't argue there.

(11-20-2013 02:18 PM)Sargon of Akkad Wrote:  

Care to drop a datasheet on that city?

The year I was there I wasn't much of a player, so I can't say "I did X amount of approaches which resulted in Y amount of bangs" but I can give a brief datasheet on places to go if you are interested.

[Sargon of Akkad]

Final Pre-Third Bang Update in Japan: Part II of II

WARNING: long post

So far this is intended to be the final update in a while in regards to my current status here. Exceptions will be limited to answering random question (as long as it’s not something stupid like “any updates yet?”). I’m scheduled to remain in Osaka until April 2014. If this thread hasn’t been updated before then, it means I’m either dead or I haven’t gotten laid in that time (pretty much the same thing). This post will review and summarize a few of the things I’ve said before, plus a few recent insights. Of course, constuctive criticism or suggestions are always welcome. To start things off…

Some general observations I’ve made with Japanese women:

-フレークの神様：As always, they are the patron goddesses of flakes. Flaky women the world over prostrate themselves in the direction of Japan to emulate them, which in itself is an impossible task:
-The typical waiting time for a response to a message lies anywhere between 10 hours and 10 days, and that’s if she’s into you.
-Fingering and titty-cupping in public venues is much easier than kissing in public (possibly because it’s more difficult for others to see?); As such, It is fairly easy to make-out in clubs, but not to close the deal.
-There is little difference between approaching in coffee shops as opposed to approaching on the street: Fewer insta-blowouts with the former than than the latter. Also, it seems somewhat more natural to continue a conversation (this is not terribly different in other countries). However, there are no fewer flakes and no better response rates. In either case, the girl will act very engaging and interested in you, may or may not show hesitation in exchanging numbers, and you will typically never hear from her again.

1. Groundhog Day in Japan: A Summary of My Past Interactions with Japanese Girls:

With daygame, having approached so many women, I feel very much like the main character of the movie Groundhog Day, in a constant state of déja-vu, watching the same movie over and over again, knowing each time how it will turn out. Honestly, if you’ve known ten Japanese women from five different walks of life, you’ve pretty much met all of them. It is amazing how predictable and monotonous their responses and personalities became after a while. You knew that if you took Step A you would get one of about five different outcomes, with Step B the same and so on…where you can pretty much bet money on when she’s going to do in the end: she’s going to flake. This repetitiveness and monotony have had negative effects on my motivation. It’s always the same set of personality types, the same words that are exchanged, you hear the same story about her, over and over again: every other girl is named Yuki, Yuuka, Yukiko, Yukari, Kaori, Tomomi, Saori, Asami (that Asami 阿佐美? that Asami亜沙美? – no, retard, that Asami麻美), Ai, Aiko, Shizuka, Minami, Manami, Chika, Chihiro, Chiiro…honestly I must have heard each of these names about 5-10 times, it’s like some random name generator or something.

I can randomly generate their life story out of thin air, too, for the most part, and probably half the time I’ll be right. Actually, it never deviates too much from the following (*fun game – next time you hit on a Japanese girl in Japan, throw out these random facts and try to convince the bitch you’re psychic!): if in her late teens to late-twenties, she listens to Rihanna, Justin Bieber and J-pop, watches American movies more than Japanese, doesn’t know any foreigners, other than this one friend of hers who’s half Korean but speaks no Korean. She’s never been abroad. If she has, she went to Guam once when she was six. If not Guam, she’s been to Korea (Seoul, to be more specific, it’s always Seoul, never anywhere else) on a weekend trip with her bestest-best friend forever, and has retarded-looking selfies on her iPhone of the two of them eating kimchi, bulgogi and bibinbap over there, all while throwing up peace signs in one hand, metal chopsticks in the other, making cutesy-faces with their mouths stuffed, completely oblivious to how stupid they actually look. If not Guam and not Korea, then she went to America once with her parents when she was twelve. When you ask her where in America, the answer will almost always be California. If not America, she went either to Shanghai, Hongkong or Taiwan once for a week when she was seven. If she’s never been to Taiwan, chances are she’s never heard of the place before, and will think you’re talking about Thailand (which is odd…considering Taiwan was a Japanese colony for over half a century until the end of WWII; imagine a French person who’s never heard of Morocco or a Brit who’s never heard of Pakistan). She’s never been to Europe but she always “itte-mitai’s”. Nowadays, if she goes on vacation anywhere, it’ll usually be to Hiroshima.

She’s already graduated from university and works either in a clothing store, at a call-center, a daycare-center, or a hospital…or something similarly boring. Wears gigantic, gravity-defying high-heals. Goes to Umeda with her girlfriends every weekend…usually to an Izakaya or a bar or something. She always likes Umeda more than Namba -- unless she’s from Nara…or listens to hip-hop…or she’s a hostess…or something.
After exchanging a few sentences (provided she’ll interested enough), she’ll ask you where you’re from. Ask her to guess and she’ll lean back hold her hand to her chin and squint at you. The first words out of her mouth will be “Amerika!”, “Furansu!”, “Igirisu!”, “Osutoraria” (sometimes Furansu or Igirisu will be the first guess). Tell ’er you’ve got two nationalities to confuse her more, after which her eyes will pop open and she’ll say “eh!?”…when you tell her, she’ll make the same gesture, only with a much longer “eeeeeeeeeeeeeeehhhhhhhhhh”…often followed again by “eh! – hafu! Sugoooooooiiiii!” Other times I just like to fuck with them and say I’m Indian or an Arab…which they believe despite, looking completely baffled (for the record, I don’t look a thing like an Arab). Usually this is the part where they’ll ask how long I’ve been in Japan. Answer ______ months, and she’ll say “heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehhhhhhhhhhhh! (BTW, get used to these long overdrawn “heeehs” while you can) Demo, Nihongo METCHA pera-pera shabereru!” While saying “METCHA pera-pera!” she’ll use her right hand to signify a mouth opening and closing. She’ll ask me if I’m working here. When I say I’m a student, she’ll pause for half a second and ask how old I am. Upon being told to guess she’ll make precisely the same gesture as before when guessing my nationality. Say “rokujuu-nana/sixty-seven” and she’ll usually slap you on the shoulder, then she’ll either give up or guess down and say 25, which is correct, only she didn’t know it. Sometime she’ll start counting on her fingers say “日本語 (Japanese)、英語(English)、ドイツ語 (German) – cut her off and say you’re speak Chinese better than Japanese – “Oh! Chuugokugo!” Hear that same overdrawn “heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh!” line again.

A few more lines when either of you have to go, whip out the phone suggesting exchanging numbers. Here, if she agrees to cough up her contact info, you’ll usually get one of two possible outcomes: either she’ll look surprised and hesitant, like you just asked to marry her, at which you know for certain you’ll never hear from her again, or she’ll enthusiastically hand over her number, sometimes saying when she’s free and talking about plans to meet you, at which you’ll know that in all likelihood she’ll never respond to a single one of your messages. Send her a message anyway just for laughs, mix it up between sending the next day, two/three days later, end of the week, or next week. The result will almost always be the same: even if she stopped short of suggesting you’re fucking soulmates, she will not respond to a thing you write to her. If you’re lucky you might get one half assed response where she kinda blows you off without really doing so.

2. "The Prey": Types of Japanese Girls You're Likely to Find Here

After approaching 289 women, certain types of girls start to become discernable, and while the above description generally applies to all of them, the differences are still noticeable, and sometimes startling.

Type 1 (“The Hip-Hop Girl” a.k.a. “the Wannabe-Rap Video Extras”)
You’ll find these girls mainly at Pure and at Sam&Dave’s, but also around Amemura, or otherwise anywhere where hip-hop and r&b are playing in the background. They are often marked by their artificially tanned skin, excessive application of makeup, and general attire and accessories influenced heavily by American rap, dancehall and r&b videos. May or may not have hair in cornrows. May or may not be seen wearing a fatigue patterned jacket. Frequently talks like she’s chewing gum. If you’re black, especially if you’ve got this thug/hiphop look to you, you’ll probably do well with them. Just remember, they rarely speak English. I almost universally do not mix well with these girls. I don’t like them and the feeling seems mutual.

Type 2 (The Japanese Paris Hiltons with Too Much Makeup)
These is the ultra-fixed-up, ULTRA high maintenance types of girls, usually somewhere between 19 and 24 years old. Sometimes overlaps with Type A. You’ll find these girls…well everywhere, but they’re at a higher concentration anywhere in Namba. These girls have so much makeup on you wonder what they’re real faces look like. Usually blood-red lipstick, and too much of it on. Expect long, fake nails, jewelry, fake eyelashes and brown, blue, or green contacts. Hair, if real will never be anything resembling its natural (black) color, but instead will be most commonly dyed light brown or blond. May be seen in extremely short mini-skirts (either with bare legs or with see-through black stockings), but more often seem to be wearing plain white pants. These girls generally have the most absurdly high heals out of all other girls, and they also tend to be the most glued to their iPhones out of all others. Nevertheless, very trendy, but generally an extremely superficial, airhead vibe. These girls love the shit out of Starbucks and are often seen in groups of 2-4 with their matcha frappuccinos or whatever, gossiping loudly in Kansai-ben and giggling hysterically every five seconds, stopping only to take selfies, text or check their Facebook/LINE accounts.

Type 3
These girls overlap heavily with Type B, and sometimes with Type A (occasionally both), only they’re hotter…and they know it. As a result, they get hit on noticeably more than the other groups, giving them not only this superficial, airhead vibe…but also a bit of an arrogant streak. Can often be found shopping in Namba, typically with their equally trendy, metrosexual boyfriends tagging along with them. These are among the most likely groups to blow you off during the day.

Type 4 (“the Sexy Chics” a.k.a. “the Blueballers”)
These are the girls I most commonly refer to here as “stripperific” here on RVF. As always there can be some overlap. Unlike the Type B girls, they’re usually not quite that high maintenance, and they don’t give off quite as strong an airhead vibe. Unlike the Type Cs, they generally don’t come off as stuck-up, which doesn’t mean they don’t have their guard up. The only thing you really thing about when you see them is…sex. They basically ooze sex from the way they dress. Mini-skirts and hot-pants so short they call the very definition of clothing into question; black stockings, fishnet stockings, see-through stockings, or no stockings at all (in the fall and winter, instread of wearing longer skirts, they just wear boots that reach up to their thighs); sexy high-heals. Less makeup, hair is usually died a darker tone (rarely left natural). At the risk of sounding like a perv, if they’re walking up the stairs in front of you, you’ll be left with a full view of everything whether you were asking for it or not. She may be anywhere between a 6/10 and a 9/10 on the scale. Regardless, they’ll turn heads either way. These are the ones you have this uncontrollable urge to fuck on sight. After seeing about five of these on a busy day, you start to feel a pain in your ribs from not being able to bone all of them…hence the nickname “Blueballers”. Some will blow you off, others will engage with you in conversation when you approach them, while some will give you their numbers, but as always, they’re as flakey as all the others. Don’t expect a response. There are few things or people on this earth that embody the gods’ punishment of Tantalus as much as these women.

Type 5 (“the Classy Ones”)
These are the girls guys usually talk about when they say Japanese girls have mad style. They are well-dressed, very trendy, and tend to look stunning, due mainly to the way they take care of their appearance. They generally look more intelligent and educated than the previously mentioned types, at least at first glance. Often, they tend to be in their mid-twenties and already out of university. They’re not as smothered in makeup and fake body extensions as the Type Bs, and they generally represent the type of girl I’d prefer to be out on the town with. They catch your eye, however your brain is not screaming to you “FUCK HER NOW!!! JESUS CHRIST, FUCK HER RIGHT HERE THIS VERY INSTANT!!!” as it is with the previously mentioned type of girls. These women can range from very trendy to more of a modest look. These types seem to be more prevalent in the areas outside of Osaka. Chris Gambi wanted to know if Japanese girls were really this magical…well look at Types 4 and 5 and you have your answer.

Type 6 (“the Normal Ones”)
These girls by far among the most ‘normal’ of Japan’s young female population. They put decent effort into their appearance, but nothing excessive. No excessive amounts of makeup, skirts tend to be knee length, clothing is not overtly sexual, but usually they look nice, depending on how naturally attractive they are otherwise. Generally, they appear more educated and smarter than Types 1-3, but they are just as flakey. The stereotypical “shy” Japanese girls more often than not fit this description, though there seem to be plenty of outgoing types as well. This type, along with the ones mentioned above, rarely have anything to do with foreigners, but they don’t seem particularly closed off to them either. The types you find in standard all Japanese clubs are usually an even mix of Type 5 and Type 6. Again, they seem to be more common in areas like Nara and Kyoto.

Type 7 (“The Plain Ones”)
Basically, they’re just like Type 6, just significantly plainer, more boring, and generally less attractive. Most Gaijin groupies you find at international events fit into this category. These also make up the majority of J-girls who go abroad to study. There’s a subset of these that generally fit the nerdy profile that serves as the basis for the whole “nerdy Asian” stereotype you find in the West.

Miscellaneous Types:
There are a bunch of other categories I could probably come up with. Types like Gyarus, Lolitas and whatnots that get so much attention in the West are fairly fringe, and you don’t see them too much around these parts.

These are all really just rough categorizations, and many girls might fit multiple categories here. It’s just that these are the major demographic clumps you seem to notice here. All seem to be equally flakey, and the standard routine I described above in Part II-1 tends to apply to all of them.

3. Roosh’s 15 Factors Article Applied to Osaka

Recently, I came across one of Roosh's old articles where he listed “15 Factors that Determine Whether a City is Great for Men”. Browsing through them, I came to the following conclusions in regard to Osaka…

1. Total Population

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It’s no accident that “big city mentality” has come to have negative connotations. Girls will be less friendly, more “busy,” and more hypergamous in their attempt to land one of the many hyper-successful men that you have to compete with. Big cities also pose logistical problems, are more expensive, and are generally soul draining places […]

A big city mentality would generally apply to Osaka, although Osakans generally have a reputation for being friendly people, this friendliness generally doesn’t apply to dating. Technically, the general problem is not necessarily that the women are unfriendly, it’s more that they’re flaky and have extremely ditsy, mildly stuck-up and superficial personalities.

3. City vs. Suburb Density

Osaka has a relatively decent city density, with plenty of opportunities to approach in a busy area.

4. Nightlife Blueprint

Osaka generally has a very good nightlife blueprint. Clubs and bars in Shinsaibashi and Umeda are very compact and within walking distance from one another. You do find yourself sampling fairly few clubs out of caution, however, due to high cover prices, which average at 2500-3000 yen. Also, most of the major venues close at 1:30, due to Japan’s no dancing law. This is generally only enforced on prominent, well known clubs, such as Giraffe, so finding a club that’ll stay open until 5:00 AM shouldn’t be a challenge.

Local Economy

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The stronger the economy, the less able you will be able to “impress” a girl coming from America. Ideally you want a girl to think that by associating with you, her life may be improved in some way other than sex. Otherwise you will be in a city where the desirable women are holding out for high status men. On the other hand, you don’t want a city so poor that women can’t afford to dress nice, wear perfume, and go out to day or night venues. The city should only be “a little bit” poor.

Osaka is on the higher end of this spectrum. The Japanese generally earn more than the average Westerner, so you shouldn’t come here expecting women to be wowed by the fact that you’re American, Aussie, Western European etc., or otherwise to give a shit at all where you come from. On average, if you’re an undergrad student and the girl you’re talking to has a stable job, odds are she’s earning more than you. On the plus side, most women in their 20s will be insistent on splitting the bill on dates, which is helpful.

7. iPhone Penetration

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The presence of iPhones are the canary in the coal mine for how much flaking, attitude, and general difficulty you’ll face with foreign women who are obsessed with seeking status. While smartphones will eventually blanket the world, you should pay close attention to the ratio of iPhones to Android models in your determination of whether a city will be good to you or not.

There is an insanely high iPhone penetration, which no doubt contributes to the unprecedented level of flakiness among Japanese women. Practically the only time you see a typical Japanese girl not playing with her iPhone is when she’s putting on her makeup on the train, or when she’s asleep. Hell, I wouldn’t be surprised if the next Japanese girl I sleep with starts playing with her iPhone and taking selfies with those little peace signs and pucker-faces while we’re fucking.

8. Level Of Male Aggressiveness And Game

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[…]If the standard of game is higher, you will get less than in a city where the standard is lower, regardless of how high your own level may be. […]
Ideally you want to be in a city where the guys don’t know how to approach or are scared to.

I’ve written about this enough. Any random crowded area, any club, anywhere, you’ll find Japanese guys hitting on girls…badly. The consequences of this on the ease of getting laid are apparent.

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Besides, if you see guys approaching like machines, chances are you’re in a city where game is required due to women being difficult or existing in a low ratio.

I hadn’t really thought about this, but it makes sense here.

9. Depth Of Social Connections

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Assuming you’re a guy who will arrive in a city without knowing anyone, you don’t want the city’s populace to be heavily dependent on social circle for their human interaction needs. If the people are so insular that it’s hard for an outsider to swoop in and access the local women, you’re in for a tough grind.

The level of “social circle penetration” in Osaka is decent, I’d say. It’s not like some parts of Germany where hookups happen almost exclusively through social circle. You can walk into a club alone, approach a group of girls, and no one will act like you’re a weird serial killer.

10. Western Culture Omnipresence

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A slight fascination with Western culture (particularly American) will help you show value and get your foot in the door, but a heavy fixation will also coincide with a desire for material excess, a Carrie Bradshaw dating lifestyle, and attitude and speech that unfortunately mirrors that of a standard-issue American girl. […] The ideal balance is when she’s curious about American culture but not actively idolizing it.

This one is a bit difficult to answer in a straightforward ‘yes’ or ‘no’. As stated above, in Osaka you have a noticeable segment of the population that absolutely fetishizes American Hip-hop culture to ridiculous levels. This helps if you’re either Black and/or otherwise fit into this general hip-hop vibe. For the rest of us, it doesn’t help much, plus it produces a lot of extremely trashy and stuck-up girls who look like they want to emulate the women you find in rap and R&B videos; As for the rest of the female population, depending on where you go, to a certain extent there is an idolization of Western pop-culture, which should not be mistaken for an idolization of Westerners. This is seen most in the attempts of many Japanese women to dye their hair blond and brown, or otherwise make it wavy and curly like that of a White women, while wearing blue or green or purple contacts. Again, this should not be confused with an idolization of Western people, even though it may seem so at first glance. Honestly, it appears as though this “White girl” look has been absorbed to become a subset of the local youth culture here, and I often doubt whether most Japanese girls are even consciously thinking directly of White women when they do this, or whether they’re just doing it because it just happens to be what’s in at the moment and all their friends are doing the same. One aspect of Westernization mentioned in Roosh’s article which is most noticeable here is the extreme level of materialism among a sizable portion of Osakan women. Again, think Paris Hilton on steroids to get an idea what I mean.

11. English Penetration

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Full penetration of English, as in Scandinavia and the Anglosphere, will coincide with obesity, flip flop style, and masculine attitude. But too little English, […] and you’re simply unable to communicate. The sweet spot is about a 60% penetration rate, which means that a little more than half the girls you talk to in the 18-30 cohort are conversational in English. You’ll be upset at some beautiful girls you can’t communicate with, but there will still be a large sample of English speakers who are feminine and pleasing.

This has been gone over many times on other Japan-related threads. If you want to get anywhere with the women outside Whynot parties and other Xenophile hangouts, you’re going to have to learn Japanese. Despite “studying” it for over seven years in school, the average Japanese woman does not speak a lick of English and would not be able to get even the most basic conversation going. And no, this isn’t simply because they’re too shy to speak it, as I’ve tested their English several times, switching to English in mid-conversation and speaking ul-tra slllllllooooooooooooowwwly, usually just asking “can…you…understand me?”, followed by a pause and an 意味分かった？, to confirm in Japanese if she could understand. The answer I usually get is a terrified and confused head shake accompanied by a “heeeeeeeeeeehhhhhhhh????” わからへん. Put simply, you’ll have to speak at least some of the language. There’s simply no way around it. You don’t have to be completely fluent to the point of being able to discuss Heian Period Buddhist iconography, but you should be able to carry a decent conversation for the majority of a date, which isn’t as hard as it sounds, since first dates usually involve the standard stock phrases and questions. The same should be said with your ability to read and write: you should be able to type and read a standard text message or email.

12. Cost Of Living

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The lower the better, assuming that low cost doesn’t decrease the quality of other variables. I’ve lived in many great cities for under $2,000 a month, and that includes living alone in a centrally located apartment. Ironically, the more expensive the city, the worse the women tend to be.

Osaka, and Japan in general, is a notoriously expensive place. Think London, not Beijing.

13. Hipster Culture Adoption Rates.

Nothing I would consider to be anything resembling a hipster culture in (this part of) Japan.

14. Major Universities Per Capita

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If you want a city with young women who are untainted by dating, you need cities that have at least one major university per 100,000 people. Otherwise you’ll have an older female population of women who already went through their slut stage and now expect you to wine and dine them in order to put out, compared to younger girls who will ride your penis for experience or experimentation. Huge cities may have many universities but the students are diluted due to the population size, meaning it’s quite difficult for cities over 1 million in population to hold to this rule.

While there are a few major universities in Osaka, most of the women I spoke to here were not university students.

15. Crime Level.

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A city with crime doesn’t affect you as much as it tenses up women and makes it more difficult to approach them in day situations. If a girls thinks strange men who approach may be a mugger, it will be much harder to have a conversation with her that results in a number being exchanged. Another problem of a high crime level is that girls refuse to walk alone at night, taking away yet another solid opportunity to approach. Lastly, lots of crime means you need to take taxis to get around, increasing the cost of living for that city.

Your chances of getting mugged in Japan are akin to your chances of getting mauled by a Siberian tiger escaped from the zoo. However, as I’ve said over and over again, the high penetration of Nampa does serve to “tense up the women” in a way you might expect from a place with a high crime rate. It’s not universal, nor did I notice it immediately during my first few weeks here, but, as always, don’t underestimate it.

In general, I’d say 8 of these factors speak against Osaka, while the other 7 speak in favor of it.

4. More on Whynot Parties

Having visited a few more of the infamous Whynot Parties, I’ve concluded they offer the following advantages and disadvantages:

Advantages:
-The girls on average are more open to foreigners. This does not necessarily mean they’re there to hook up or that they are all down to fuck. Very often they’ve come mainly to practice their English or simply to make friends, however, there will be quite a larger number of those who are at least open to the idea. I’ve also increasingly encountered the phenomenon of women who go to these clubs with the main intention of fondling and/or making-out…only. However since most come here with the intention of meeting people, bitchiness and defensive shields should be almost non-existent. A guy who’s never run game before and still needs to get his confidence up would best start out here.
-For the recently arrived or for those coming for short visits: English is more widely spoken, as many of the girls there have studied abroad before. If you don’t speak Japanese, I’d recommend starting out at these places.
-It’s all you can drink for the limited three hours the event is running
-It’s relatively cheap. Well, sort of: entrance fees for members are 2500 yen (currently c. 18.50 Euros, 25 USD), 2000 yen (c. 15€, $20) if you get there early. This adds up when combined with the all you can drink.
-Decent ratios, at least while I was there
-Decent quality: some ugly, some cute girls, with most somewhere in between.
-After the event, the place fills up with the normal Japanese clientele, giving you more options and generally, better quality
Downsides:
-It’s a relatively small community, so you’re likely to run into the same faces over and over again.
-There’s usually not terribly much going on at these events, at least compared to your usual night out at the club.
-The quality, while generally satisfying, is usually nothing to write home about; just keep in mind you won’t be pulling top tier Japanese girls from these events. I’d say the average is 6.5
-Collecting numbers is easy (which, if you’ve been following this thread or know a thing about Japanese girls, you’ll know is about as valuable for hooking up as plastic scissors are for winning WWII), but taking them home seems a bit more difficult (especially with my logistics). If these were any other nationality of women, I’d say why complain because you’ll at least get your foot in the door more easily, since they’re interested in talking to foreigners. Unfortunately, it seems that with Japanese women, “getting your foot in the door” is rarely enough.

5. Some More Recent Accounts From the Other Week

I was going to post a description of one of the more recent nights out, but since I’m getting tired, I’ll try to keep it short.
Went to a Whynot Party at a club called Ammona in Shinsaibashi the other week. Most approaches resulted in conversation, but didn’t progress far beyond. Ended up befriending a black guy from Miami, a short ethnic Cantonese New-Zealander, and a buff Asian American from San Francisco. Did some approaches together (helps to have a few wings). Was fun all in all, but no bangs. The guys next to me seem to keep saying the girls were paying more attention to me than to them, but I think that’s mainly because I opened them first. The black guy started getting discouraged, saying shit like “I can’t do this man, they don’t like black guys, I’m the only black guy here”; the other guy and I basically told him to grow a pair; either way, not much was going on at that venue in terms of our success, so the black guy and I went outside to get some air, and we exchanged notes, more or less. His experience with the flakey nature of Japanese women (i.e. showing a shit load of interest only never to return your calls/texts) seemed identical to mine, only he had managed to score more notches than me in his short time, though he said almost all were from Whynot events (so far I’ve been to three of these, sounds like I should stick o it). Walking towards Giraffe, he ran into a friend of his (another Black American guy) who was a bartender at Sam&Daves (not to be confused with BarOne, which I’d previously mistaken for S&D, as they’d previously been part of the same establishment apparently). He walked us to the bar, saying he could get us in for a discount price. Somehow this nerdy French guy trailed behind us on the way. Inside, there wasn’t much going on. Eventually, spotted two girls, saying to my wing I wasn’t sure if I was gonna bother to approach them, since one was like a 5.5. He replied with something along the lines of “Who cares? Pussy is pussy.” A very RVF statement, as long as she passes the boner test. I opened the one who seemed the most interested (the 5-ish one), while my wing kept the other girl occupied. “It’s no use, he said, that one’s not into foreigners.” I guess he was right. I eventually got the 5-ish girl (Yuuka, I think was her name) on my lap and was able to kiss/make out with her a bit, but nothing more, couldn’t isolate her, so I had to settle for a number. This place was dead. After my wing had returned home, I decided to head back to Ammona, but the fuckers wouldn’t let me back in. Apparently, my wristband was no longer valid after the Whynot event. Fuck them! I told them my coat was still upstairs, so the doorman muttered something in Japanese that sounded like he was willing to make an exception this one time “yoohoo!” I thought. Back upstares, the place had filled up with almost only Japanese. I moved over to the dancefloor and saw this girl dancing alone. Upon approaching her, we started grinding together, and I realized she was absurdly short. I mean her head reached up to my solar plexus, her boobs were just barely above my groin, so I had to kneel down in order for us to grind against eachother. Her friends and the nearby Japanese were getting a kick out of watching the two of us, for some reason, either because I was foreign or because of the height difference, or both.
“何センチ？/How tall?” I asked.
“120 cm,” she said. For the record, I’m about 185 cm.
Eventually, I find my hand under her skirt, fingering her pussy and her asshole through her black stockings. She seems to react positively, grinding harder against me as I rubbed her clit through her cloths. I seem to recall her taking my other hand and placing it on one of her tits. Good times! A few Japanese guys walk past me and pat me on the shoulder before giving a thumbs up, whether out of approval or sarcasm, I’m not sure. I try to go in for the kiss multiple times, but she’s having none of it…whatsoever. After a while I try to nudge her upstairs to the bathrooms stalls, but she’s going for that either. We grind and finger and whatnot for about ten more minutes before she gets tired and walks off. Couldn’t get anything beyond that. Oh well.
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Another interesting story was a girl I met when my (female) Chinese housemate invited me to a get-together for a bunch of Chinese immigrants living in Wakayama. Speaking Chinese was helpful here as always. Noticed a girl eyeballing me right when everyone was about to leave. She more or less approached me and beckoned me over to sit next to her. You could tell she was somewhat into me. Right before I walked out with my housemate and a couple other Chinese, I asked if she had Facebook (wasn’t really interested in pursuing a girl all the way in Wakayama). She said she didn’t have FB and suggested exchanging phone numbers. Fine by me. The interesting part I wanted to get at was that last night when I phoned her for the hell of it, I was taken aback at how quickly she responded to my message. It was less than two minutes each. Here in Japan, that’s like walking on water or dodging bullets. It seems almost unreal. This made me think she might even be worth pursuing. The other Chinese prospect of mine is in China taking care of her father, so she’s on hold, though since she texted me asking when I’d have time, it seems like she’s still good to go.

Anyway, unless I forgot something that should be it. If I write anything in the near future before getting laid, it’ll be merely to answer minor question. I leave you with more images of Japanese girls commonly found here in Osaka…

^^I’d say these girls are somewhere between Types 5 and 6 mentioned above.

http://www.kansaiscene.com/wp-content/up.../Pure3.jpg
^^(this photo's too big to post here) In the above link, you can tell by the background that this is in PURE, though the girls here are way too hot for what’s normal for this joint’s clientele and not nearly as trashy, but still, you can see the standard blue contacts and bleach blond hair.

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http://images.iflyer.tv/u_iflyer/fdbc6022bc9c783d.jpg
^^The girls above are your standard Japanese 6s (5, depending on your tastes), also in PURE, from the looks of it.



^^Your average Nampa-man trolling on Hikkake-Bashi at Shinsaibashi.

More info (probably not) coming soon. Ceterum censeo Osakam esse delendam.

[DaveR]

SoA, is there something specific about you that's making your time in Japan so difficult? I'm confused, because I know a guy (not on this forum) who said that gaming women in Japan is very easy. Maybe he has a particular look that works in Japan? For example, very fair skin?

The reason I ask is that whenever I'm in Hong Kong, my fair skin gets me a lot of attention. Almost to the point where it's creepy... a few years ago I was there for a week meeting my folks, and just about every female who talked to my mother said "your son is very handsome." If this is something I can capitalise on, I think I should spend some more time in Asia.

[Laner]

Wow man, that was huge.

When I was reading about your interactions with the women, I was cringing the whole time. Its all too familiar.

I never realized that Osaka was so bad. I never had that impression, but then again I have only visited the place. Never had to live there.

And I feel your pain at "type 4 & 5". These women give a man some real pain. Just the sight of them.

I should sit you down with this one cat who lived in Osaka in the 80's and 90's, ran a biker bar, and rolled with a biker gang. An American guy. This guy has stories from that era that would make you put your fist through bricks.

Or my jazz musician friend in Osaka who (when I visited last time) absolutely slayed his female fans. It was insane. They were all a little older (late 20's early 30's) but I watched him bang 3 girls in one night. He even had some blood on the crotch of his pants for his last set from some girl.

Another guy blew every penny he had on an old classic impala convertible. No cash but he would park it in front of rocker bars and party in his car until he could snag an interested girl. Never failed. He was a nerd back in Canada but changed his fortunes with a new wardrobe and a classic car.

What I am saying is:

There is a code for everyone. For some it takes longer to crack. I wish you all the best man, I cant imagine what you are going through.

[Bushido]

Sargon, I agree with a lot of what you say but I still think you are visualizing things overly negatively. That said, it's hard to tell what's going wrong without actually seeing you in action. A bit of feedback below.

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- The typical waiting time for a response to a message lies anywhere between 10 hours and 10 days, and that’s if she’s into you

I'd say that 24 hours is around the normal "limit" for girls who are into you. It's usually less than 10 hours too but that will depend on the girl. You can still bang ones that take longer but the chances go down significantly. I don't overthink it because it means little. My replies are often late too.

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Fingering and titty-cupping in public venues is much easier than kissing in public (possibly because it’s more difficult for others to see?); As such, It is fairly easy to make-out in clubs, but not to close the deal.

Not sure where you are getting this from? Fingering is easier than kissing in public? I don't agree at all lol. Neither are good to do in public. Make out with a girl in a club *if you feel like it* but the priority is getting them back to your place.

Fuck, a huge part of Japanese game could be summarized by that: GET. HER. BACK. TO. YOUR. PLACE.

It's all about logistics. To get her to your place, you need an excuse so stock some wine and other alcohol so you can ask her what she likes in advance and then be like (from inside the club) "Oh yeah! I have a really good bottle of Italian red at my place. Wanna try it?" She will often say OK and boom, there's your SNL. Plausible deniability is everything in Japan and once they are in your room it's a 90% done deal. Make sure you have alcohol, DVDs, photos...any excuse to get them back. I am sometimes shuffling through all of these until they finally accept one of them!

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- the girl will act very engaging and interested in you, may or may not show hesitation in exchanging numbers, and you will typically never hear from her again.

True. Numbers are cheap in Japan. It's a politeness thing although the actual response rate depends on whether you built more than a superficial connection with her. I'll come back to this later.

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If not Guam and not Korea, then she went to America once with her parents when she was twelve. When you ask her where in America, the answer will almost always be California.

You forgot Hawaii!

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The result will almost always be the same: even if she stopped short of suggesting you’re fucking soulmates, she will not respond to a thing you write to her. If you’re lucky you might get one half assed response where she kinda blows you off without really doing so.

The result will NOT always be the same. Your are just getting shitty results right now. Again, if you had built a real connection with her she would want to meet you. Simple as that. Instead of blaming it on "Japanese girls", blame it on your interactions. If you are honest, are they really going as well as you'd like them to? I would bet a large amount of money that they could be improved.

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After exchanging a few sentences (provided she’ll interested enough), she’ll ask you where you’re from. Ask her to guess and she’ll lean back hold her hand to her chin and squint at you.

and

Usually this is the part where they’ll ask how long I’ve been in Japan. Answer ______ months, and she’ll say “heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehhhhhhhhhhhh! (

and

She’ll ask me if I’m working here. When I say I’m a student, she’ll pause for half a second and ask how old I am. Upon being told to guess she’ll make precisely the same gesture as before when guessing my nationality.

This is what I'm talking about. You need to cut out the Interview Mode bullshit. It gets you dismissed as just another foreigner she met and ticked all the boxes for. Don't entertain these questions early on unless you want to remove any mystery you previously had. I don't know if you read it or not but I recommend checking out Day Bang for a good framework.

One way is just asking her the same question without telling her about yourself. Alternatively, change subject or make up something silly. If they press you about your job, for example, just tell them "Hey that job stuff is all boring anyway. I'll tell you next time." (note how you assume the sale with "next time")

I often tell girls I'm a spy/astronaut/pirate and this works well too. Make sure they are high value professions with an element of danger. How do I know it's working? Because they inevitably ask me about it via LINE, on the first date or sometimes even in bed. It bugs their hamster that I didn't answer them straight. They will say things like "So what do you really do?" or "You aren't like other guys I met". Of course, you need to answer eventually but don't rush the process. The mystery of having to guess about you is crack cocaine to girls.

Plus..I might be wrong here but I don't get the vibe that you are enjoying talking to these girls. All this "Japan this...Japan that..." might be weighing you down a little. Happens to all of us but try to enjoy each conversation for what it is and entertain yourself.

Again though, if you are in interview mode early on, it's a cue to get the fuck out of it and onto any other topic.

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There is an insanely high iPhone penetration, which no doubt contributes to the unprecedented level of flakiness among Japanese women. Practically the only time you see a typical Japanese girl not playing with her iPhone is when she’s putting on her makeup on the train, or when she’s asleep. Hell, I wouldn’t be surprised if the next Japanese girl I sleep with starts playing with her iPhone and taking selfies with those little peace signs and pucker-faces while we’re fucking.

True although they are no less flakey than they ever were. I was in Japan for the first time in 2005 and it was just as bad then. Japan has had smartphone-like technology for a long time now. Anyway, if the girl is interested enough she will still meet up. The iPhone is a distraction but it only applies to the lukewarm prospects who were on the fence anyway.

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Honestly, it appears as though this “White girl” look has been absorbed to become a subset of the local youth culture here, and I often doubt whether most Japanese girls are even consciously thinking directly of White women when they do this, or whether they’re just doing it because it just happens to be what’s in at the moment and all their friends are doing the same.

Correct. They don't give a shit about the West. They might know who Paris Hilton is but the look is just a Japanese thing for Japanese girls as far as they are concerned.

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This has been gone over many times on other Japan-related threads. If you want to get anywhere with the women outside Whynot parties and other Xenophile hangouts, you’re going to have to learn Japanese.

Agreed. You could draw a graph of "Quality of Japanese girl banged" against "Japanese Language Ability" and it would be close to linear. It's not just the language either. Cultural understanding makes a huge difference here. The better you understand Japanese stuff and fit in despite being a foreigner, the better you will do with the women here.

An example for me would be during dates: I make the reservation. I interact with the waiter and choose where we sit. I order for us. I pay the bill. I'm no different from a Japanese guy in this respect. I own the frame for the date. I might have to confirm what something is on the menu when I can't read the kanji but I make the decisions on what to order and speak to the waiter even if they are looking at the girl. The staff get the idea after a while. Most foreigners leave this stuff to the Japanese girl and wonder why they aren't dating the top tier

One of my boys is new to the game but his Japanese is great. He is already getting solid results because of it. Obvious but nobody wants to put in the effort required.

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14. Major Universities Per Capita

While there are a few major universities in Osaka, most of the women I spoke to here were not university students.

Tokyo my friend, Tokyo. You guys over there really miss out on the student demographic. Most of the girls I speak to/date here are university students. If the below list doesn't give you a boner than nothing will:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_uni...s_in_Tokyo

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“何センチ？/How tall?” I asked.
“120 cm,” she said. For the record, I’m about 185 cm.

That's like 3`11 dude! That's gotta be some kind of record.

[memcpy]

Sargon what kind of game you spitting at these girls now ? Anything change ?

I started off just doing what Roosh's day game book said, it got me dates and a few bangs. I recommend reading it, all the concepts apply to Japan as well. Its a pain doing it all in Japanese, but still a solid book.

[Sargon of Akkad]

A few responses:

(11-21-2013 05:09 PM)DaveR Wrote:  

SoA, is there something specific about you that's making your time in Japan so difficult? I'm confused, because I know a guy (not on this forum) who said that gaming women in Japan is very easy.

This subject has been discussed to death and picked apart ad nauseam on this forum. In short, a lot of people say women in China/Korea/Japan/etc. worship White dick. Also, a lot of people say Black people worship watermelons. Does that mean it’s true? A good article on the subject, particularly the last paragraph: http://nubreednampa.blogspot.jp/2009_10_01_archive.html

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Maybe he has a particular look that works in Japan? For example, very fair skin?

My skin is as light as any White foreigner’s. I can’t see how that could be a problem. However, it could be that some people have a certain vibe that works for them better in some places than others.

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The reason I ask is that whenever I'm in Hong Kong[…]

Hong Kong is not Japan. Mainland China is not Japan. My experiences in China were completely different from this place.

(11-21-2013 08:01 PM)Laner Wrote:  

I never realized that Osaka was so bad. I never had that impression, but then again I have only visited the place. Never had to live there.

It may be that my impression is tainted. Minus my results here, it’s actually not a bad place to hang out. Kind of ugly in comparison to the other Japanese cities I’ve seen, but still kinda nice, nonetheless. Again, on the one hand I’ve had much better results elsewhere, yet on the other hand, there are other guys who’ve had much better results here than me. The only conclusion I can draw is that this is due to a combination of errors on my part and the local mentality.

[DaveR]

Got it. Sounds like Japan sucks for game... will avoid.

[Sargon of Akkad]

(11-22-2013 02:02 PM)DaveR Wrote:  

Got it. Sounds like Japan sucks for game... will avoid.

Again, these are only my personal results, so this entire thread is from a limited perspective. You may come here and find it to be your poosy paradise. If it's worth it and you have the chance, try Japan out and see how it goes for you.

Delenda est Osaka.