[Wutang]

http://askabouncerandablonde.com/is-it-o...n-college/

"Specifically, the one guy I’m currently hooking up with obviously has zero respect for me and is an overall fratty asshole. Even knowing that, I can’t seem to stop wanting on his dick (especially on the weekends with a few drinks in me)."

Naturals realize early on what us non-naturals have to study game material to figure out: treating a girl with respect has zero correlation with your chance to bang her.

[lavidaloca]

In America and first world this holds true. Not so much outside of that.

[Excelsior]

(12-10-2012 12:20 AM)lavidaloca Wrote:  

In America and first world this holds true. Not so much outside of that.

[Screwston]

[Alpha Hunter Zero]

Straight from the hamster's mouth. Irrefutable proof that game works

[assman]

(12-10-2012 12:14 AM)Wutang Wrote:  

Naturals realize early on what us non-naturals have to study game material to figure out: treating a girl with respect has zero correlation with your chance to bang her.

Worse than that, there is probably a negative correlation.

My current FWB is always telling me what an asshole I am. Yet she keeps coming back for more. In my beta years, she wouldn't have given me the time of day.

[Timoteo]

Yep. If you blow those sugar walls out properly, you can pretty much say or do anything you want to a chick, and she'll keep coming back for more. She'll go home and cry on the phone to her girlfriends about how bad you're dogging her out, but she'll keep coming back to get her fix.

[RouteBackwards]

(12-10-2012 09:42 AM)assman Wrote:  

(12-10-2012 12:14 AM)Wutang Wrote:  

Naturals realize early on what us non-naturals have to study game material to figure out: treating a girl with respect has zero correlation with your chance to bang her.

Worse than that, there is probably a negative correlation.

My current FWB is always telling me what an asshole I am. Yet she keeps coming back for more. In my beta years, she wouldn't have given me the time of day.

Amazing how much asshole game works, one of those "aha!" moments you realize early on into your quest for pussy.

However, I haven't been able to extend a FWB situation beyond a two months time. Eventually they usually get so hurt that they distance themselves or start trying to fight like you are actually in a relationship, to which I give them zero response.

Either you have to play some beta-game to keep the FWB situation going longer than that, or I'm just doing it wrong.

Two months is still enough time for me to hop to another FWB though.

[presidentcarter]

A friend of mine has about 5 FWB girls in rotation throughout at couple different cities. He's an asshole to all of them.

[CrazyBoy]

I'm an arsehole to a girl who really likes me - her body's a 7 (she's Taiwanese and has massive natural tits) & her face is busted - probably a 2. Definite "paper bag job" girl.

She's always texting to me to ask when we can meet. I said come over but please bring food for me.

I didn't even want to bang her...I kind of forced myself to do it by closing my eyes when I kissed her and banging her doggy style so I don't have to see her face. At all times I was thinking of porn when I was doing this to stay hard.

To be honest the only reason i wanted to see her was because I wanted some free food!

[assman]

(12-10-2012 12:27 PM)RouteBackwards Wrote:  

However, I haven't been able to extend a FWB situation beyond a two months time. Eventually they usually get so hurt that they distance themselves or start trying to fight like you are actually in a relationship, to which I give them zero response.

Either you have to play some beta-game to keep the FWB situation going longer than that, or I'm just doing it wrong.

Yeah, it's tough to keep it going beyond a month or two. I've gone past the two month barrier 3 times:

1st girl: I was a little beta with her, which is what she wanted in addition to good sex

2nd girl: She was very emotionally non-needy for a female. Very much a predator, this one; she ended up getting re-engaged (2nd time; I was banging her between her engagements) to her ex-fiance, whom she told me she wasn't sexually attracted to. She was struggling financially and he was well off, so I suspect that's what landed him that well-used pussy

3rd girl: MILF, so she just had much less time to focus on guys and was getting her emotional needs met in ways that childless women cannot

Of course, with all 3, I got a little snatch on the side, and the current one is down with threesomes, so I'm content to keep it going.

[Timoteo]

What's interesting about this is that she sees the situation as a matter of respect, or lack thereof. In most situations where there is sex involved, women see it as something they're giving YOU, and not a mutual exchange. Since you're fucking them, you owe them something beyond that, even though they're aren't doing much else for you (but of course, we don't want more beyond the pussy...HA HA!). Bottom line, if they had a better option, they'd be opting for that. So stop complaining and take the dick. Mostly, a man can't respect you for complaining, then coming back again. He'd respect you more for just walking away and never looking back.

[CrazyBoy]

(12-10-2012 02:03 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  

What's interesting about this is that she sees the situation as a matter of respect, or lack thereof. In most situations where there is sex involved, women see it as something they're giving YOU, and not a mutual exchange. Since you're fucking them, you owe them something beyond that, even though they're aren't doing much else for you (but of course, we don't want more beyond the pussy...HA HA!). Bottom line, if they had a better option, they'd be opting for that. So stop complaining and take the dick. Mostly, a man can't respect you for complaining, then coming back again. He'd respect you more for just walking away and never looking back.

Would you say the tables are turned after you've banged and made her cum hard? I think once a man has made a woman cum, she wants it more and more?

[assman]

(12-10-2012 02:03 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  

In most situations where there is sex involved, women see it as something they're giving YOU, and not a mutual exchange. Since you're fucking them, you owe them something beyond that, even though they're aren't doing much else for you (but of course, we don't want more beyond the pussy...HA HA!).

That's because from an evo-bio perspective, access to pussy is more valuable than access to cock. So a straight up trade of pussy for cock, all else being equal (i.e., sexual mkt values), is manifestly unfair to the female.

(12-10-2012 02:03 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  

Bottom line, if they had a better option, they'd be opting for that. So stop complaining and take the dick.

Exactly. It's her own damn fault for choosing that lousy trade.

This is one of the major unintended consequences of feminism - it has greatly devalued pussy. What once could command a king's ransom, and perhaps even a kingdom, and certainly could garner decades of hard work and support from a devoted man, is now worth hardly more than the price of a few drinks to many guys.

[caligula89]

I think CrazyBoy is right. Once you've made a woman cum with your dick... especially when you make her cum MULTIPLE TIMES with your dick, then that's the equivalent of getting shot up with heroin- there will always be a part of her that wants more.

[caligula89]

assman Wrote:

Exactly. It's her own damn fault for choosing that lousy trade.

This is one of the major unintended consequences of feminism - it has greatly devalued pussy. What once could command a king's ransom, and perhaps even a kingdom, and certainly could garner decades of hard work and support from a devoted man, is now worth hardly more than the price of a few drinks to many guys.

Totally disagree.

The problem women have is that their biology makes them get off more from the kinds of guys that have options. When a guy has options... guess what, he's going to do asshole things because he's got abundance.

I'm a good guy who wants to treat women good, but when I had three women in my rotation, I did things like not respond to texts, kick them out after sex, flake on dates, etc because I had that kind of abundance.

That's always been the case. If you go back to a college in 1950's America, most girls dated a "bad boy" who treated them like shit, but they just couldn't get enough of him. Why? Because they had the exact same biology they have today, not because of "feminism."

[Timoteo]

(12-10-2012 02:36 PM)caligula89 Wrote:  

I think CrazyBoy is right. Once you've made a woman cum with your dick... especially when you make her cum MULTIPLE TIMES with your dick, then that's the equivalent of getting shot up with heroin- there will always be a part of her that wants more.

See post #7. That's definitely a major reason. The drug addiction/high analogy is perfect. You make them feel so good, they have to get another hit, even if they know they should quit.

[assman]

(12-10-2012 02:41 PM)caligula89 Wrote:  

assman Wrote:

Exactly. It's her own damn fault for choosing that lousy trade.

This is one of the major unintended consequences of feminism - it has greatly devalued pussy. What once could command a king's ransom, and perhaps even a kingdom, and certainly could garner decades of hard work and support from a devoted man, is now worth hardly more than the price of a few drinks to many guys.

Totally disagree.

The problem women have is that their biology makes them get off more from the kinds of guys that have options. When a guy has options... guess what, he's going to do asshole things because he's got abundance.

I'm a good guy who wants to treat women good, but when I had three women in my rotation, I did things like not respond to texts, kick them out after sex, flake on dates, etc because I had that kind of abundance.

That's always been the case. If you go back to a college in 1950's America, most girls dated a "bad boy" who treated them like shit, but they just couldn't get enough of him. Why? Because they had the exact same biology they have today, not because of "feminism."

I don't disagree with what you're saying. This is why I said all else being equal - i.e., sexual market value. The bad boy has high sexual market value, so banging him without anything else in return isn't necessarily a bad trade for a female.

I should have been clearer about the feminism point. Feminism has shifted the proportions. Meaning a larger percentage of guys don't place a high value on pussy than a few generations ago (i.e., they aren't willing to labor for decades for sexual access to one woman) - you have way more guys running game, you have guys that do ok, but doing 'ok' today still means banging a couple of different girls a year, and you have guys who would rather jerk off to porn than jump through hoops chasing after well used pussy. Not nearly as many guys today who are ready to devote a lifetime of labor to a woman as there was pre-feminism.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

While the underlying biology hasn't changed, cultural constraints on it have been removed on the female side, resulting in major changes in their behaviour. I don't think the fact that biologically women are still the same is comforting, given the tremendous amount of shit going on in today's world.

[tyciol]

I'm not sure these women are being honest with themselves when they describe guys as not respecting them.

Usually this means a rude partner who is able to insult or criticize her. Someone who doesn't suck up.

I'm reminded though of Perrin and Faile in the Wheel of Time book series though. Women from her culture find it sexy when a man bosses them around, because it shows a respect for her strength to take it. Women from Faile's culture get insulted if a man coddles them too much, never argues, does nothing but compliment, etc. because it shows a lack of respect for her strength.

The error here is that 'respecting' often gets used to mean 'being polite to'. But that is NOT what true respect is. Respect is admiration for someone's traits. That has everything to do with how we value someone and feel about them. There aren't any fixed behaviours that result from respect. Behaviour is a dynamic that varies.

We can be polite to people we don't respect, so that means politeness is not 'respecting'. We should stand up to anyone who says this.

Women may whine about a guy being 'rude' or whatever, but this complaining is part coping and part bragging. It's like "look at this catch who stands up for himself" to her female friends. Friends may even be jealous she has someone who stands up for his own opinions.