[Don_Johnson]

(09-28-2012 05:33 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

Don't get me wrong though. SF is still a cool city and deserves a visit. The most progressive city in the States by far. Race relations are also the best I've seen probably anywhere in the world. I had my spots where I would go hunt better looking girls but they are small fish in a big pond.

Surely, you must notice that the demographics of San Francisco are not similar to say, Detroit, Baltimore, even Washington, DC.

[Hencredible Casanova]

(09-30-2012 09:57 PM)Don_Johnson Wrote:  

(09-28-2012 05:33 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

Don't get me wrong though. SF is still a cool city and deserves a visit. The most progressive city in the States by far. Race relations are also the best I've seen probably anywhere in the world. I had my spots where I would go hunt better looking girls but they are small fish in a big pond.

Surely, you must notice that the demographics of San Francisco are not similar to say, Detroit, Baltimore, even Washington, DC.

Yeah for sure, but it's not that. True, Detroit, Baltimore, and DC are/were majority black cities. I think DC is just under 50% black now. Detroit is over 80% black and I think Bmore is just over 60%.

SF is predominately Caucasian and Asian (especially Chinese-American), with only a 7% black population, but that's not my issue.

It's that the woman just don't dress or behave femininely.

[Brian]

(09-30-2012 09:51 PM)RobP Wrote:  

Yeah, Roosh, just my opinion but I think U St. area has gotten a lot more douchey than it was 2 years ago.
Not sure what's better, but some of the west side has nice GW gals.

what are the decent west side spots?

[RobP]

Brian, try science club or circa-foggy bottom for night game, trader joes and whole foods for day-game

[Kish]

(09-30-2012 09:51 PM)RobP Wrote:  

Yeah, Roosh, just my opinion but I think U St. area has gotten a lot more douchey than it was 2 years ago.

U st has gotten more douchey but it's still better then the conn.ave/adams morgan section(douche bag central).

Unfortunately a lot of the assholes/social cliques that infest arlington and conn ave are starting to venture out into the "cooler" parts of town like U st and H st.

[slothpiece]

I just moved back and Arlington has exploded in terms of growth. I'm sure DC has as well. I have had more interviews in a week here than a year of jerking off in Tampa. It's going to be interesting getting back into the mix, but the hotness of girls and the way they dress there still trumps this area. I have to explore more before I can give an accurate description of the area.

[IpsaScientiaPotestasEst]

Yeah I don't believe DC is as bad as everyone makes it out to be. Very international city, so you can find pockets of foreigners and run with their group (and meet their friends' group of friends, etc.)-same thing for girls. Just be out, be social/fun, and keep meeting more people (but at the same time, it can be a bit hard to find genuine/cool people). I've always thought of game (in this case running shit in social circles) as a snowball, the more you get out and meet people-the more you will meet others and then go out with them too. Hence, you're building things up similar to a snowballing effect.

As far as approaching, I honestly think the level of guys game here isn't ANYTHING CLOSE up to par. Theres a lot of bros, dbags, and creepers in this city as far as the men. They make things worse for everybody, but at the same time easier if you know what you are doing-because a lot of the dudes here are socially retarded or straight up toolbag Aholes. If you have a dynamic personality at all with some character, take care of yourself, and a really social/outgoing personality (read NOT socially retarded or afraid to approach with a good vibe)-you will find chicas here. You WILL have to approach though, and not a whole lot of guys know how to do that here it seems....but maybe thats just me.

That may be a lot to some (and yes of COURSE DC is nothing compared to the females of Poland or Brazil, etc.)-but... adapt or die? Travel on the weekends or every couple months otherwise to get your fix if you want more.

A Heads Up Though : I went to uni in the southern US. I absolutely hate how non-talkative/chatty people are in the DC/NOVA area compared to there. When walking around in the south, its completely fine to say just 'Hey, how ya doin?' to people walking around or nodding your head to them, or just kinda chat up total strangers on the street about nothing really. I did it PLENTY of times. PLENTY. (Great for day game/conversating, or just always be talking to people everywhere you go)

Well, I tell you what, I fucking miss the south DEARLY! One thing I hate, is that I will walk around here and do the same, and people will either not even look you in the eyes when they are walking around, not say much to you (if even anything at all) and just keep walking. Just one of the things I absolutely HATE here (but these are all people in my neighborhood, not chicas I was trying to talk to ). Makes me wanna get back down south, or possibly visit Chicago (just heard about people in the Midwest being nice the other day). Not to mention the cost of living here is RIDICULOUS.

Don't know if others in DC/NOVA have felt the same??

[TheWolfHowls]

(10-03-2012 05:53 PM)IpsaScientiaPotestasEst Wrote:  

Yeah I don't believe DC is as bad as everyone makes it out to be. Very international city, so you can find pockets of foreigners and run with their group (and meet their friends' group of friends, etc.)-same thing for girls.

Just be out, be social/fun, and keep meeting more people (but at the same time, it can be a bit hard to find genuine/cool people). I've always thought of game (in this case running shit in social circles) as a snowball, the more you get out and meet people-the more you will meet others and then go out with them too. Hence, you're building things up similar to a snowballing effect.

As a city, it's def got quite a bit to offer no doubt and social circle related game is probably the better way to game in the city overall. I myself am not 100% sure only cuz i can't stand social circle game(Having to hold back, take things slower...fuck that...I want to be able to go for her right then and there)

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As far as approaching, I honestly think the level of guys game here isn't ANYTHING CLOSE up to par. Theres a lot of bros, dbags, and creepers in this city as far as the men. They make things worse for everybody, but at the same time easier if you know what you are doing-because a lot of the dudes here are socially retarded or straight up toolbag Aholes.

Ironically it should without a doubt be easier because of this. But honestly, these days...even if u def have game...it still seems hard as super hell. And i don't even think they themselves are to blame. I think its the women too. Its like they just don't want to do anything at all.

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If you have a dynamic personality at all with some character, take care of yourself, and a really social/outgoing personality (read NOT socially retarded or afraid to approach with a good vibe)-you will find chicas here. You WILL have to approach though, and not a whole lot of guys know how to do that here it seems....but maybe thats just me.

You'll def find some here BUT i don't think as many are down. Add that with too many guys who go out at night and that equates to why so many of us are complaining.

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That may be a lot to some (and yes of COURSE DC is nothing compared to the females of Poland or Brazil, etc.)-but... adapt or die? Travel on the weekends or every couple months otherwise to get your fix if you want more.

Thank god for travel and this site for that. To be honest, i think the chicks in other cities in the US pwn the ones here.

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A Heads Up Though : I went to uni in the southern US. I absolutely hate how non-talkative/chatty people are in the DC/NOVA area compared to there. When walking around in the south, its completely fine to say just 'Hey, how ya doin?' to people walking around or nodding your head to them, or just kinda chat up total strangers on the street about nothing really. I did it PLENTY of times. PLENTY. (Great for day game/conversating, or just always be talking to people everywhere you go)

That's what really caught me off guard with the south . Just seems more chill and people actually have a more relaxed expression on their face.

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Well, I tell you what, I fucking miss the south DEARLY! One thing I hate, is that I will walk around here and do the same, and people will either not even look you in the eyes when they are walking around, not say much to you (if even anything at all) and just keep walking. Just one of the things I absolutely HATE here (but these are all people in my neighborhood, not chicas I was trying to talk to ).

I hear you my man, i definitely agree with this one. I think its the Northeast Coast mentality of people being stressed/more about business and work. I can just tell with the look on people's faces. Just the vibe doesn't seem as chill as in other spots. I noticed it less in other places i've been to... like Tampa.

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Makes me wanna get back down south, or possibly visit Chicago (just heard about people in the Midwest being nice the other day). Not to mention the cost of living here is RIDICULOUS.

Don't know if others in DC/NOVA have felt the same??

I have felt the exact same. I too want to check out Chicago and more of the south for that reason. Definitely a more chill vibe.

[Catch 22]

(10-03-2012 05:53 PM)IpsaScientiaPotestasEst Wrote:  

people will either not even look you in the eyes when they are walking around, not say much to you (if even anything at all) and just keep walking. Just one of the things I absolutely HATE here

I'm really tired of this one. Can't even look me in the eye? How about being a human?

[Screwston]

Are they scared to make eye contact?

[TheWolfHowls]

I think its more on the lines of them being in their own world of thoughts and what not. I don't like it either, i agree with you all.

[Brian]

(10-13-2012 11:05 AM)TheWolfHowls Wrote:  

I think its more on the lines of them being in their own world of thoughts and what not. I don't like it either, i agree with you all.

this is part of it, but there's also a lot of people. you cant really say hi to everyone that walks past you

[Catch 22]

People are pretty scared here because they're more socially awkward than in other places. I get it when you're around lots of people, but a lot of people are like that even in elevators or walking down the hall to your apartment. Also, you've got the NE culture that's a little less outgoing/outwardly friendly.

[La Familia]

(10-14-2012 08:46 PM)Catch 22 Wrote:  

People are pretty scared here because they're more socially awkward than in other places. I get it when you're around lots of people, but a lot of people are like that even in elevators or walking down the hall to your apartment. Also, you've got the NE culture that's a little less outgoing/outwardly friendly.

Agreed. I'll be on the metro and just a glance is enough for them to look down. As a matter of fact, I've gone a step further and began to analyze what direction they look when I first stare at them. I read about "eye contact game" on D&P's blog: http://dangerandplay.wordpress.com/2012/...tact-game/

They ALL look down. Remember that, DC RVFers, whenever you approach a woman or deal business with a man in this city.

[IpsaScientiaPotestasEst]

Hell yeah Familia, love it! I love eye contact and I think its an EASY way to screen out chicas for approaching. Maybe I'm wrong, but it possibly seems not a lot of people will do it-and if you can it could be strong. Almost any girl who gives you direct eye contact almost more than twice (I really almost wanna say once to be honest) is asking to be opened. No ifs, ands, or buts about it.

Plus, any girl who is interested in you will definitely look at you differently than the way a normal person would. Maybe a bit hard to explain if you're not calibrated, but you can definitely tell by the eyes/vibe they give off. GOTTA be able to read women, they communicate WAY differently than men will. Plus I believe studies have shown or said that any girl (or people in general, can't remember) who looks at you (or anything) more than twice is definitely curious. (Example-I wait tables in the area until I can find work-I once had a table of Irish girls come in that I asked to take. (haha). Table of cute girls, but I had to pick one to vibe with and get the number before she left. One of em had gorgeous blue eyes, and was ALWAYS looking at me directly more than the others. Knew she was the one to go for, and ended up getting her number by the time they all left. Now does the number matter? Hell no. But being able to read people, and communicate back just with eye contact is a good skill to learn).

The reason why I said people aren't as chatty up here, is cause one day I was walking around the area to run some errands. I literally walked by about 10 people in my neighborhood, and they all didn't say SHIT to me or say anything back when I just acknowledged them and maybe just said 'How ya doin?' and I kept walking. I wasnt expecting much but... Im used to people at least saying SOMETHING. At least one word. But these people all said NOTHING. By the maybe 7th or 8th person, I was saying to myself- 'If this motherf***er doesnt say anything Im gonna be pissed'....and then they wouldn't. Made me FURIOUS, and want to get back down south. These were also people in their 30s/40s though, but still.

I perfectly understand not everyone wants to talk and doesnt have to. But the ONE time I was able to get back to my southern universities city, within ten minutes of walking in the city-I had a conversation about a cinema in the city that was being rebuilt and the gentleman was telling me about it from the time he was in school (he was 50 years old or so). WAY nicer people. The only drawback and benefit of DC is that there is WAY more to do here, its VERY international, and the southern city empties out during the summer-plus I HATED southern frat boys.

Now I know for a FACT that studies have shown, when people walk around and others look through them as if they aren't there or don't acknowledge them-it actually makes them more depressed than if they were acknowledged. That is a FACT. People WANT to socialize (given you aren't socially retarded and are an interesting person, yadda yadda yadda).


At the end though-I dont believe DC is as terrible as its made it out to be on here though to be honest. Couldn't obviously be a bittt better but oh well. Adapt or survive. Get your boys out and run shit, get out and meet as many people as possible, find your spots, be dynamic and fun-and it snowballs from there.

(10-14-2012 09:19 PM)La Familia Wrote:  

(10-14-2012 08:46 PM)Catch 22 Wrote:  

People are pretty scared here because they're more socially awkward than in other places. I get it when you're around lots of people, but a lot of people are like that even in elevators or walking down the hall to your apartment. Also, you've got the NE culture that's a little less outgoing/outwardly friendly.

Agreed. I'll be on the metro and just a glance is enough for them to look down. As a matter of fact, I've gone a step further and began to analyze what direction they look when I first stare at them. I read about "eye contact game" on D&P's blog: http://dangerandplay.wordpress.com/2012/...tact-game/

They ALL look down. Remember that, DC RVFers, whenever you approach a woman or deal business with a man in this city.

[TheWolfHowls]

(10-14-2012 11:03 PM)IpsaScientiaPotestasEst Wrote:  

Hell yeah Familia, love it! I love eye contact and I think its an EASY way to screen out chicas for approaching. Maybe I'm wrong, but it possibly seems not a lot of people will do it-and if you can it could be strong.

Almost any girl who gives you direct eye contact almost more than twice (I really almost wanna say once to be honest) is asking to be opened. No ifs, ands, or buts about it.

Absolutely agreed with this 100%.

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Plus, any girl who is interested in you will definitely look at you differently than the way a normal person would. Maybe a bit hard to explain if you're not calibrated, but you can definitely tell by the eyes/vibe they give off.

Yep . They have the look that says they're drawn to you. Its like a trance. You can just tell based on instinct.

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GOTTA be able to read women, they communicate WAY differently than men will. Plus I believe studies have shown or said that any girl (or people in general, can't remember) who looks at you (or anything) more than twice is definitely curious. (Example-I wait tables in the area until I can find work-I once had a table of Irish girls come in that I asked to take. (haha). Table of cute girls, but I had to pick one to vibe with and get the number before she left. One of em had gorgeous blue eyes, and was ALWAYS looking at me directly more than the others. Knew she was the one to go for, and ended up getting her number by the time they all left.

Very very true, especially if they're smiling. That's even better.

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Now does the number matter? Hell no. But being able to read people, and communicate back just with eye contact is a good skill to learn).

The reason why I said people aren't as chatty up here, is cause one day I was walking around the area to run some errands. I literally walked by about 10 people in my neighborhood, and they all didn't say SHIT to me or say anything back when I just acknowledged them and maybe just said 'How ya doin?' and I kept walking.

Its definitely annoying no doubt. I def agree. If someone acknowledges me, I extend the courtesy back mainly because its a good feeling to have. Just as with us who want to be acknowledged back.

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I wasnt expecting much but... Im used to people at least saying SOMETHING. At least one word. But these people all said NOTHING. By the maybe 7th or 8th person, I was saying to myself- 'If this motherf***er doesnt say anything Im gonna be pissed'....and then they wouldn't. Made me FURIOUS, and want to get back down south. These were also people in their 30s/40s though, but still.

Its the city's mentality i would say. I think thats what makes an ideal gaming city. The Friendliness factor AND girls being down. Even if the girls aren't really down all that much, at least its still a chill and warm vibe to surround yourself around. That makes it manageable. But when you factor in the negative aspects of both, it makes it more miserable.

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I perfectly understand not everyone wants to talk and doesnt have to. But the ONE time I was able to get back to my southern universities city, within ten minutes of walking in the city-I had a conversation about a cinema in the city that was being rebuilt and the gentleman was telling me about it from the time he was in school (he was 50 years old or so). WAY nicer people. The only drawback and benefit of DC is that there is WAY more to do here, its VERY international, and the southern city empties out during the summer-plus I HATED southern frat boys.

it is very refreshing. Also, i heard studies show that naturally we want to be friendly to other people.

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Now I know for a FACT that studies have shown, when people walk around and others look through them as if they aren't there or don't acknowledge them-it actually makes them more depressed than if they were acknowledged.

That is a FACT. People WANT to socialize (given you aren't socially retarded and are an interesting person, yadda yadda yadda).

It feels damn good when someone attempts to socialize with me and when I attempt to socialize with them. Even at times i've been in a bad mood, just that attempt made my day feel better . It also feels good when that person says the same thing.

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At the end though-I dont believe DC is as terrible as its made it out to be on here though to be honest. Couldn't obviously be a bittt better but oh well. Adapt or survive. Get your boys out and run shit, get out and meet as many people as possible, find your spots, be dynamic and fun-and it snowballs from there.

I'm glad there are guys who still have that optimistic attitude about the city. I use to share that sentiment. Hell, im still a pretty upbeat optimistic guy. But i just can't be optimistic or upbeat about the city anymore. Plus after seeing better potential cities, it just hit home of the best course of action, to travel. Plus its no surprise that more of my lays have come when i was gone from the city than when i stayed.

(10-14-2012 09:19 PM)La Familia Wrote:  

People are pretty scared here because they're more socially awkward than in other places. I get it when you're around lots of people, but a lot of people are like that even in elevators or walking down the hall to your apartment. Also, you've got the NE culture that's a little less outgoing/outwardly friendly.

It's the type of work that people do in the area is the cause. Add the stress and the fact that other people have probably been cold to them, creates that chain. Its similar in my own apartment complex. I'm in the I.T. field so i always see this. Quite a few people in my work building are just socially awkward. But there are def some people in the building who are easy going. Its good to see them around and greet.

Philly seemed to be a friendlier vibe compared to the rest of the Northeast from what i've experienced.

[Kish]

Decided to bump this thread. There's a new metro line that just opened up today. Everyone is expecting it to be a boon for the local economy. Obviously this is a good thing.

But I wonder what this means for DC in general. The bars/clubs in DC area known to be sausagefests at night. And I know there's a huge technology center near the last stop on the new metro line(Reston). This could skew the ratio's even more. Who knows.

Thoughts?

[Hades]

Some dumb ho wrote a cracked article about her move to New York City from DC.
She probably thinks of herself as a special snowflake but she hilariously and inadvertently confirms basically every stereotype I have ever heard about the women of DC.

http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-common-dat...real-life/

TL: DR - without irony she describes how she flakes on everybody, is supposedly "bisexual", goes out and gets hammered with drug dealers, tries to date women online, loves to get "drunk food", and her complete inability to get a man even temporarily tells me she's carrying about 40 extra pounds.

I'm sure you guys have a sharper eye for this though. If anybody wants to give them a few cents in revenue they can read and eviscerate it better.

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[TripleG]

A few...One bar that is okay is Black Whiskey on 14th street. I've also taken dates to Mari Vanna, go to the 3rd floor where the lounge is BUT overall DC is terrible...worst 1st tier city for dating on the East Coast.

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(09-28-2012 05:31 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

(09-28-2012 05:24 PM)Merenguero Wrote:  

(09-28-2012 05:20 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

Compared to SF, I think the girls in DC are much better looks-wise.

If this is true, I'm really lucky I have never been anywhere in California north of Ventura. I have a feeling many forum members are going to disagree with this statement though.

There's no debate on this in my mind. All the hot girls in Cali live in Socal (LA, Orange County, San Diego). I'm not saying you won't find attractive girls in Norcal but they definitely do not live in SF. Girls in SF are of the hipster variety. Complete lack of femininity. No makeup, skirts or heels. I damn near dropped and kissed the ground when I went to DC for a summer visit while I was living in SF. There were femininely dressed girls all over U St.

As a guy who grew up and lives in DC, and spent a year in the SF Bay area, I agree completely with what is above.

While DC is not great for girls looks wise and really took a hit after 2011, girls in the SF Bay area are extremely unattractive physically. However, I would argue that they are more personable and easier to talk with than DC girls, but that's a pretty low bar to beat.

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Partied in DC recently at a place called "The Park" on a friday. The venue was pretty cool, 4 floors with different DJs. Tons of islanders and Ethiopians, so many smokin hot black women. The mix seemed to be about 60% guys and 40% women, but considering many of the guys were just standing and drinking it didn't seem so bad, though it definately could have been better. One thing I noticed was this place especially was people seemed to hang in larger groups. I noticed women staring me down frequently, but it was definately a challenge because their friends would keep trying to cockblock. After the place closed I went to a 5 Guys across the street. Saw lots of the people from the club still in large groups. There was one set with like 10 ethiopian girls (majority smokin hot). and maybe like 3 dudes who it seemed like they already knew. For people who live down there, what tactics do you use to break into these large groups? I went with one friend and was hoping to find girls in groups of 2-3 to game, but groups that size where the girls were actually hot were pretty rare. Vast majority of the hot girls were all in large groups. Also, is this large groups thing a DC thing or just due to the type of venue I went to? Rarely experienced this kind of cliquiness in Philly.