[Giovonny]

(08-08-2012 02:16 PM)NewGamer Wrote:  

Great stuff Gio.However, I'm having doubts about the whole kiss thing.Doesn't it come off as too creepy?

No, not if you have established some comfort and a little attraction with the girl.

If she thinks you are creepy, it will be creepy. If she thinks you are attractive, she will like it.

It all depends how you do it. I put these girls at ease with my casual conversation. I carried myself confidently and gracefully (as best i could).

Some girls might not like it, but, many girls will like it.

Girls want to be seduced by a man they find attractive. If you can present yourself as attractive, you can pull it off. If you can carry yourself with major confidence, you can pull it off.

If there is no creepiness, well, then, there will be no creepiness.

You are thinking like a man, logically. Women think more in terms of their feelings. If you make them feel comfortable, you can get away with it.

Also, in some cultures this is normal.

Also, girls are fucking crazy, you would be surprised what they respond to sometimes.

Try it dude, next time you have a nice chat with a girl and get her number, grab her hand and give her a kiss on both cheeks, do it slowly and not in a rush. Her pussy might tingle.

[WestCoast]

I'll say this, it suits Gio's personality very well. I mentioned in our first meet up he was a bit aggressive "tiger stare" and it toned down a ton now i don't see a cheek kiss as creepy anymore.

It honestly depends on who you are, your looks style vibe etc etc. Believe part of the reason Gio's advise works well with me is it suits my "vibe".

Just need to find out what works, I've also started deleting the indirect approaches out of my mindset. Surprisingly success is going up. Probably because there are a lot of "PUAs" running around "negging" girls left and right. So it pays to be different.

Maybe Gio is having a similar experience but my last 4 hook ups I have literally said "I thought you were cute so I decided to say hello" about 5 minutes into the conversation.

If you feel creepy doing xyz you'll be a creep because it doesn't come off as genuine

(08-08-2012 02:36 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(08-08-2012 02:16 PM)NewGamer Wrote:  

Great stuff Gio.However, I'm having doubts about the whole kiss thing.Doesn't it come off as too creepy?

No, not if you have established some comfort and a little attraction with the girl.

If she thinks you are creepy, it will be creepy. If she thinks you are attractive, she will like it.

It all depends how you do it. I put these girls at ease with my casual conversation. I carried myself confidently and gracefully (as best i could).

Some girls might not like it, but, many girls will like it.

Girls want to be seduced by a man they find attractive. If you can present yourself as attractive, you can pull it off. If you can carry yourself with major confidence, you can pull it off.

If there is no creepiness, well, then, there will be no creepiness.

You are thinking like a man, logically. Women think more in terms of their feelings. If you make them feel comfortable, you can get away with it.

Also, in some cultures this is normal.

Also, girls are fucking crazy, you would be surprised what they respond to sometimes.

Try it dude, next time you have a nice chat with a girl and get her number, grab her hand and give her a kiss on both cheeks, do it slowly and not in a rush. Her pussy might tingle.

[Giovonny]

I like to be somewhat direct and aggressive because it filters out the girls who are really attracted to me from the girls who are not. I use it as a screening tool, if that makes sense. if I go direct and she likes it, I know there is a decent chance of getting the bang. If I go cautious and indirect, well, I don't really know if she is attracted to me or not, she might be just being friendly. I will then have to text/call her build some comfort and then get her out on a date.

If I go more direct, she knows whats up, if she likes me intailly, all I have to do is text/call her the next day and say - "wanna hang later"

I don't have it all figured out, I'm just reporting what I'm doing. I'm still learning like everyone else.

How do you guys think I can improve based on these approaches? I like to hear the criticism!

[NewGamer]

I understand It's all about the vibe.I'm not at that level where I can do the whole kissing thing.However, I will try it out just to gauge reactions.I can't give the whole spanish excuse since I'm not spanish but we will see how it goes.

[R Smoov]

(08-07-2012 11:34 AM)Thomas the Rhymer Wrote:  

(08-03-2012 03:37 PM)Rosca Wrote:  

Approaching girls is easy in the pool. Just swim near them and dunk them in the water.

Can you explain the mechanics of this? Do you dunk them by the head or trip them by the ankle? How do you make sure not to cause any serious injury?

No no none of those ways will help you out man. Those ways would look too aggressive. I've made a little diagram in order to show you where to pick a girl up for a dunk.


And how do you dunk her you say? Well pick her up through that part and just put her in the water. If you're really good at swimming underwater, you could like swim under her and pick her up through her legs then dunk her.

What's good about this approach is that you could have a friend with you and it wouldn't be as annoying as it would be in a club. Both of you guys can have a shitload of fun when doing this. Hell, want to know some dunking tricks I do with solo or with friends? Don't worry I got you man.

The Baptist:
For instance, a friend of mines would sneak behind a girl and hold her by the waist. I would place my palm on top of her head and then I would act like a preacher and say "In the name of the father, and of the son and of the Holy Spirit, Amen" and then my friend would dunk her.

The Ballroom Dance:
Sometimes I'd just grab a girl by the waist to pretend that I am going to dunk her. And when shes all like WTF, I'll just grab her hands like a ballroom dance, sing a little song, and then dunk her.

The Police:
In this dunk trick, I pick up the girl by her waist and then I hold her up. While doing this I am imitating a police officer and saying "You're coming with us ma'm!". While saying this, I am carrying her around the pool. And then boom! I dunk her.

I like this form of game because there's so many tricks you can do while dunking girls. Get creative with it!

Now I will say what you should NOT do when it comes to pool approaching. Don't push a girl in the water if she has clothes on. I had done this earlier this week and this girl was swinging at me.

And also, try not to just dunk her too much man. After about 2-3 dunks you should try to build up some comfort. Tell her to ride across your back while you swim her around the pool. You could ask her name all of that stuff to build a conversation.

Now this approach/game is still experimental for me. But I'm sure this can help you if you are trying to get bitches on the pool/beach.

[Giovonny]

Was walking into a new lunch place in town, a cute latina was walking out..

me: how was lunch?
her: good
me: what did you get?
her: oh the chicken salad
me: have you tried the crab tacos?
her: i have to go

She left.

10 minutes later..

I was visiting a friend who works at a coffee shop. I had just walked out when a slim blond tried open a door which was locked..

me: are you looking for the coffee shop
her: yes
me: its this door
her: ok i see
me: you look nice today
her: thanks
me: are you from around here?
her: yes but im on my lunch break sorry
me: don't you wanna flirt with me for a few minutes?

She entered the cafe. I got in my car.

[Kickb]

I've been lazier than I don't even know. Gotta start approaching again.

[Jackhammer]

I really need to start day-gaming properly again, and this thread has been great inspiration. My confidence has been declining due to putting too much emphasis on one girl and not getting the attention I want from her. The funny thing is, day-gaming feels so natural when you get into a groove...you're just talking to someone about something and offering to continue talking about it at a later date. In my head I build it up to be this incredibly daunting and psychotic thing when it's no different than what I'd do if I really needed directions somewhere, or really needed advice about something, or if I really needed help in a store, and so on.

Time to man up.

[slubu]

0/3 so far. At a bar girl next to me looking at dong pics on her phone. Sadly she's part of the 0/3. Rolling solo gets boring at times. Situational openers all of them. Making friends with bartenders at least since I'm down the street may help. Apologies for the stream of consciousness post.

[slubu]

Damn this forum. I just spent the last 10 minutes reading this thread rather than approaching. Ok time to move.

[Kickb]

Did you ask her if she got your picture message.

[slubu]

(08-17-2012 01:30 AM)kickboxer Wrote:  

Did you ask her if she got your picture message.

Ha. She was a party slut no attention span. Working on an Amy wine house clone. 6 approaches in.

[Giovonny]

I was at Target, I saw a cutie in those tight black yoga pants, she was shopping in the candle section, I walked up, looked at the candles for about 10 seconds and then grabbed 2 little ones, I never made eye contact or acknowledged her. I then walked right behind her and as I got about 2 steps based her I turned back to her..

me: you have a great butt
her: thank you (smiling and blushing a bit)
me: did you just work out at the crunch fitness across the street?
her: no, i workout at the 24 downtown
me: oh, what brings you to this neighborhood?
her: i am apartment hunting, i just moved from socal
me: oh, you must be cold
her: actually, that was the first thing i noticed, sf summers are cold.
me: ya thats the shitty part of sf
her: do you live around here?
me: i do
her: i hear the weather get better further east
me: its get better the further away you get from the ocean.
her: i see
me: but i don't wanna talk about the weather, i wanna talk about me and you working out sometime (smirk on my face)
her: i don't think my bf would like that (smiling)
me: oh no, don't say that
her: sorry honey
me: fuck, i can be your side dish
her: i don't beleive in that
me: me neither

That was it.

5 minutes later I was about leave and I see an asian cutie who is very slim. She is in the coughdrop secton so I walk up and grab a big bag of cough drops...

me: you are in great shape
her: thanks
me: whats your secret?
her: oh just exercise and good food
me:you probably have good levis too
her: good levis?
me: ya it looks like it
her: levis?
me: you have good genes
her: ooh haha, ya that too
me: why are you coughing, is my cologne too strong?
her: no, i have been a little sick lately
me: uh ooh go have some teas with honey
her: thats exactly what im gonna do
me: are you from around here?
her: no i just moved up from la
me: oh the sf weather got you
her: ya thats what i was thinking too, is it always this bad?
me: in this part of the city its bad but its gets better the further away from the ocean you get
her: thats what i hear
me: did you come up here for work?
her: yes im a teacher
me: high school?
her: no middle school
me: oh boy school starts soon
her: tmw actually
me: well good luck with school and that cough
her: thanks
me: hey, um, do you wanna exchange numbers and maybe get a drink or something sometime
her: sure

I will text her tomorrow.

Of course, I put the candles and cough drops on the counter before I left. I never had any intention of buying them. I just pretend like I am gonna buy them to get open the girls.

[slubu]

Ok recap from last night, from best I can remember from the bar I was at. I was sitting at the bar, about 6 seats total, talking with the bartender:

Approach #1, girl pounding water cup after cup:

Me: Thirsty?
Her: Yeah, can't you tell.
Me: Did you just go running or something?
Her: I get horrible hangovers.
Me: You're still hungover from the night before?
Her: No, I meant I'm trying to stop the hangover for tomorrow.
Me: Ok

Then it died down and she went back to her table of mixed friends.

Approach #2, girl looking at penis pictures:

Me: Nice phone (the glass was shattered)
Her: Damn right
Me: Is that you (looking at some girls photos on the phone)
Her: No it's her (points at her friends)

Not very engaging, so I let them get back to giggling with each other.

Approach #3, girl comes to order at bar:
Me: Have you tried the ___ drink?
Her: No what is it?
Me: Some whiskey drink he makes, but it's very good.
Her: Cool
(some more chit chat, I forgot, then she said nice meeting you and left)

Approach #4, guy and girl together:
Girl: Hey can I have a cigarette of yours?
Me: Do you have a lighter?
Girl: Yes
Me: Perfect, you light me and I'll give you a cigarette
Girl: Deal
Me: You guys live here? I just moved her a few hours ago.
Girl: Yeah my boyfriend and I live just down the street.
(Blah Blah, actually very nice people but with her boyfriend there nothing was obviously going to happen)

Approach #5, girl comes up to order at the bar:
Her: Mind if I squeeze in here?
Me: Jump right in
(As she gets in there our thighs are touching, so I push a bit to test her out and she keeps it right there)
Me: What are you going to get?
Her: Just a beer, I'm limiting myself to two drinks tonight.
Me: That's no fun. Have you tried this drink? It tastes like Thai Food.
Her: What?
Me: Thai food. I'm not joking. Here. (Takes a sip).
Her: Damn that does taste like thai food!
Her: But I'm going to get the beer though.
Me: Who'd you come with?
Her: My neighbor, don't know where he is I have to go find him.
Me: Tell you what, when I finish this one, I'm going to order two of Thai drinks. If you're here you can have one.
Her: Deal, I'll come back.
....(she comes back like 30 minutes later)
Her: Told you I'll come back, where's the drink?
Me: You were too late, I'll just order some more.
Her: Need a cigarette first.
Me: I'll join you. (Meet her neighbor, who's a super gay dude).

Long story short, got those drinks, she wanted to dance for a bit (hate dancing), then all 3 of us left and went back to their complex. All went to her apartment, neighbor dude left and I started making out with her, went to her room, got handsy but she wouldn't bone. Mentioned something about if this was a few weeks ago...I'm trying to be (inaudible)... sucks for you (I think she was saying she was a reformed slut). So fucking annoying these girls go through these "I'm not a slut anymore" phases. Great body, decent fact. Was from Poland until 7 then moved to US. Anyway slept over she got ready for work in the morning and dropped me off. Oh yeah, saw a guy get her # before we left the bar together. Affirming my realization once again numbers at bars/clubs really don't mean much, go for the bang! Hopefully she doesn't have buyers' remorse and I'll get to finish it off next time.

Had about 4 or 5 more approaches before #5 came back and I left with her, but nothing memorable. Rolling solo is always toughest in the beginning, once you get on a roll of chatting its so easy.

[WesternCancer]

I just realized I haven't approached in well over a week. Somebody needs to smack some sense into me.

[Veloce]

(08-17-2012 03:55 PM)slubu Wrote:  

Ok recap from last night, from best I can remember from the bar I was at. I was sitting at the bar, about 6 seats total, talking with the bartender:

Approach #1, girl pounding water cup after cup:

Me: Thirsty?
Her: Yeah, can't you tell.
Me: Did you just go running or something?
Her: I get horrible hangovers.
Me: You're still hungover from the night before?
Her: No, I meant I'm trying to stop the hangover for tomorrow.
Me: Ok

Then it died down and she went back to her table of mixed friends.

Approach #2, girl looking at penis pictures:

Me: Nice phone (the glass was shattered)
Her: Damn right
Me: Is that you (looking at some girls photos on the phone)
Her: No it's her (points at her friends)

Not very engaging, so I let them get back to giggling with each other.

Approach #3, girl comes to order at bar:
Me: Have you tried the ___ drink?
Her: No what is it?
Me: Some whiskey drink he makes, but it's very good.
Her: Cool
(some more chit chat, I forgot, then she said nice meeting you and left)

Approach #4, guy and girl together:
Girl: Hey can I have a cigarette of yours?
Me: Do you have a lighter?
Girl: Yes
Me: Perfect, you light me and I'll give you a cigarette
Girl: Deal
Me: You guys live here? I just moved her a few hours ago.
Girl: Yeah my boyfriend and I live just down the street.
(Blah Blah, actually very nice people but with her boyfriend there nothing was obviously going to happen)

Approach #5, girl comes up to order at the bar:
Her: Mind if I squeeze in here?
Me: Jump right in
(As she gets in there our thighs are touching, so I push a bit to test her out and she keeps it right there)
Me: What are you going to get?
Her: Just a beer, I'm limiting myself to two drinks tonight.
Me: That's no fun. Have you tried this drink? It tastes like Thai Food.
Her: What?
Me: Thai food. I'm not joking. Here. (Takes a sip).
Her: Damn that does taste like thai food!
Her: But I'm going to get the beer though.
Me: Who'd you come with?
Her: My neighbor, don't know where he is I have to go find him.
Me: Tell you what, when I finish this one, I'm going to order two of Thai drinks. If you're here you can have one.
Her: Deal, I'll come back.
....(she comes back like 30 minutes later)
Her: Told you I'll come back, where's the drink?
Me: You were too late, I'll just order some more.
Her: Need a cigarette first.
Me: I'll join you. (Meet her neighbor, who's a super gay dude).

Long story short, got those drinks, she wanted to dance for a bit (hate dancing), then all 3 of us left and went back to their complex. All went to her apartment, neighbor dude left and I started making out with her, went to her room, got handsy but she wouldn't bone. Mentioned something about if this was a few weeks ago...I'm trying to be (inaudible)... sucks for you (I think she was saying she was a reformed slut). So fucking annoying these girls go through these "I'm not a slut anymore" phases. Great body, decent fact. Was from Poland until 7 then moved to US. Anyway slept over she got ready for work in the morning and dropped me off. Oh yeah, saw a guy get her # before we left the bar together. Affirming my realization once again numbers at bars/clubs really don't mean much, go for the bang! Hopefully she doesn't have buyers' remorse and I'll get to finish it off next time.

Had about 4 or 5 more approaches before #5 came back and I left with her, but nothing memorable. Rolling solo is always toughest in the beginning, once you get on a roll of chatting its so easy.

Where was this?

Sounds like #5 could have been a sure thing but she was maybe 1 drink away or maybe another 30 min of making out.

Girls looking at dick pics sound like complete whores. Not that girls don't do that, but to be doing that at a bar is pretty whorish. Especially her response, "Damn right" when you mentioned her phone. I probably would have trolled them a bit.

[Giovonny]

(08-17-2012 04:02 PM)WesternCancer Wrote:  

I just realized I haven't approached in well over a week. Somebody needs to smack some sense into me.

Here you go



YOU SHOULD BE APPROACHING EVERYDAY!!!

ALMOST EVERY CUTE GIRL YOU SEE!!!

C'MON DUDE!!

YOU WASTED A WEEK OF YOUR LIFE WITHOUT IMPROVING!!!

REPETITION IS THE FATHER OF SKILL!!!

[slubu]

(08-17-2012 02:59 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

I was at Target, I saw a cutie in those tight black yoga pants, she was shopping in the candle section, I walked up, looked at the candles for about 10 seconds and then grabbed 2 little ones, I never made eye contact or acknowledged her. I then walked right behind her and as I got about 2 steps based her I turned back to her..

me: you have a great butt
her: thank you (smiling and blushing a bit)
me: did you just work out at the crunch fitness across the street?
her: no, i workout at the 24 downtown
me: oh, what brings you to this neighborhood?
her: i am apartment hunting, i just moved from socal
me: oh, you must be cold
her: actually, that was the first thing i noticed, sf summers are cold.
me: ya thats the shitty part of sf
her: do you live around here?
me: i do
her: i hear the weather get better further east
me: its get better the further away you get from the ocean.
her: i see
me: but i don't wanna talk about the weather, i wanna talk about me and you working out sometime (smirk on my face)
her: i don't think my bf would like that (smiling)
me: oh no, don't say that
her: sorry honey
me: fuck, i can be your side dish
her: i don't beleive in that
me: me neither

That was it.

5 minutes later I was about leave and I see an asian cutie who is very slim. She is in the coughdrop secton so I walk up and grab a big bag of cough drops...

me: you are in great shape
her: thanks
me: whats your secret?
her: oh just exercise and good food
me:you probably have good levis too
her: good levis?
me: ya it looks like it
her: levis?
me: you have good genes
her: ooh haha, ya that too
me: why are you coughing, is my cologne too strong?
her: no, i have been a little sick lately
me: uh ooh go have some teas with honey
her: thats exactly what im gonna do
me: are you from around here?
her: no i just moved up from la
me: oh the sf weather got you
her: ya thats what i was thinking too, is it always this bad?
me: in this part of the city its bad but its gets better the further away from the ocean you get
her: thats what i hear
me: did you come up here for work?
her: yes im a teacher
me: high school?
her: no middle school
me: oh boy school starts soon
her: tmw actually
me: well good luck with school and that cough
her: thanks
me: hey, um, do you wanna exchange numbers and maybe get a drink or something sometime
her: sure

I will text her tomorrow.

Of course, I put the candles and cough drops on the counter before I left. I never had any intention of buying them. I just pretend like I am gonna buy them to get open the girls.

So damn simple. I like how you post a recap of the conversation - easier to conceptualize and picture over the generic strategy of just banter.

[slubu]

(08-17-2012 04:06 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  

Sounds like #5 could have been a sure thing but she was maybe 1 drink away or maybe another 30 min of making out.

She was 1 drink too little and I was 1 drink too many. Kept at it for about 30 minutes I'd say before I gave up and passed out. Make out, massage, but rub, etc. Kept getting hand swatted away when got close to the p. At least her bed was unbelievably comfortable over my POS that I'm renting furnished right now.

[WesternCancer]

(08-17-2012 04:06 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(08-17-2012 04:02 PM)WesternCancer Wrote:  

I just realized I haven't approached in well over a week. Somebody needs to smack some sense into me.

Here you go



YOU SHOULD BE APPROACHING EVERYDAY!!!

ALMOST EVERY CUTE GIRL YOU SEE!!!

C'MON DUDE!!

YOU WASTED A WEEK OF YOUR LIFE WITHOUT IMPROVING!!!

REPETITION IS THE FATHER OF SKILL!!!

but but but i improved all of my lifts, found a place to live and now finished a class that was giving me hell.

--- those are all excuses. I had plenty free time during all of that when I could have been approaching.

Its true man, you have to talk to any cute girl you see pretty much no matter what so you can get to where you want to be. When I don't want to go to the gym I don't bitch out because I'm tired or sore. I tell myself to nut the fuck and do it because I have to. I need to treat approaching the same way.

I've just completed everything I need to do until Sept 1. I literally have no obligations until then. I'm going to do the 100 approach challenge because I'm fucking stupid.

Either way I've got 2 under my belt as of today.

1. this fly russian looking chick in my class. I just asked if she was ready for the test we were taking. I was nervous about the test so I didn't really do anything after that. I'm not going to count this one.

2. After the test I was feeling alright because I know I passed. This cute asian hipster chick that I always thought was eyeing me up in class the whole time. She was sitting outside after the test. I sit down and ask her what she thought of the test, we discuss the questions and start shit talking the teacher for sucking at teaching. I notice shes playing with her hair and giving positive body language. So I tease her about shit-talking the teacher when the classroom was 10 feet away. Shortly after herbly mcherbington from class shows up and asks us how we did. I keep the conversation going waiting for him to leave. Asian girl gets a bit quiet then excuses herself. I had assumed she was waiting for one of her friends in the class then I was going to ask her + her friend to go to the bar down the road to celebrate finishing the class. I probably could have suggested it before mcherbington showed up, but whatever.

lesson learned: have a gameplan before you start running your game. the bar idea popped up shortly into conversation, but i should have gone in there with the intention of getting her to the bar.

[Giovonny]

(08-17-2012 11:04 PM)WesternCancer Wrote:  

but but but i improved all of my lifts, found a place to live and now finished a class that was giving me hell.

--- those are all excuses. I had plenty free time during all of that when I could have been approaching.

Its true man, you have to talk to any cute girl you see pretty much no matter what so you can get to where you want to be. When I don't want to go to the gym I don't bitch out because I'm tired or sore. I tell myself to nut the fuck and do it because I have to. I need to treat approaching the same way.

Getting your life together is more important then chasing girls. Its good that you got all of your business taken care of so you are ready for the start of school.

But, I'm sure you must have come across some cute girls as you were at the gym working out, out looking for apartments, and walking around campus. You don't have to make time to approach girls, just approach them as you are going about your business. You don't always have to try for an insta-date, make out or phone number, just make small talk and try to get them laughing, try to make a connection, see if she will ask you about yourself. It only takes 3-4 minutes and you will be improving your game and getting a quality approach in. Even if you don't exchange phone numbers its still good practice, just getting a positive reaction from a girl is good for your game. Just a friendly conversation will increase your confidence and skill.

This reminds me of a post from last month..

(07-04-2012 01:23 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

Walking around the city for hours day gaming can be a waste of time.

But, day gaming as you are going about your normal business is a more productive option.

Be ready as soon as you walk out your front door. Bus, train, subway, coffee shop, cafe, restaurant, work, lunch break, smoke break, gym, grocery store, mall, sidewalk. You don't have to make time for day game. Just be ready to talk during the day.

I admit, you have to talk to alot of girls to get laid, but, the more you do it the better you get and its alot of fun. (for me)

[Veloce]

Went to a club last night with Slubu. Place is supposed to be the hot shit in Hollywood. I must have run 8 or so approaches. Slubu had a couple that he brought me into, he brought a couple girls outside to smoke, these girls were pretty bangin' (esp. that girl in the blue dress) and I thought we had something going until they pulled some ADD bullshit, one of them saw someone they knew and they ran off. Each of my approaches turned out the same and I lost steam pretty early in the night actually. Usually I gain momentum but I just got frustrated.

As the night wore on, the ratio got worse, and the music got louder. In retrospect, my only options at that point would have been to go caveman style, which itself would have been hard since there was no proper dance floor, and the scene was very cliquey.

Typical club bullshit, I'd get some interaction going, go for strong initial contact, arm around the back and whatnot, but the ADD level was through the roof. Also I'd watch girls bounce from one group of guys to the next, just soaking up attention.

At one point I was talking to a girl, and another girl across the bar with big tits waved at me. I think it was one of the girls we chitchatted on the street before going into the club. This was probably my only chance to score but I stayed talking to my girl and she, in turn, left after a couple minutes to go check up on her friend. I ran all my approaches at the bar but it led to nothing. Girls would come up, I'd open her up, maybe get a laugh, I'd go for physical contact, she'd flake and bounce. Rinse, repeat.

Seems like girls were just walking around constantly, there was constant traffic and I'm pretty sure it was girls walking to the bathroom and then walking all the way back to the table they were whoring themselves out to for free booze.

All in all, confirming everything I know about clubs. Even though we got into the hot club of the moment, we still had to deal with all the horseshit. This particular club is renowned for celebs hanging out, and there was a private VIP room adjacent to the room we were in. I can only imagine that's where all the hotties went to go suck some celebrity cock and do a few lines. I'm sticking to my policy of only going to clubs if I have a strong hookup, can get free bottle service or otherwise VIP treatment, because otherwise there's literally no way to stand out.

[WesternCancer]

Gio: definitely. most of the time i pass by cute girls out and about, but ill have my mind on other things. having a nice conversation with people always takes my mind off these things so i might as well have a conversation with a cute girl thats shopping in the same store as me or the hottie waiting for the bus. One thing I need to work on is street approaching, I walk around a lot on campus and thats where I see the bulk of hot chicks. I just don't have the balls to jump out in front of them and start talking. I guess theres no other way to learn than to just do it.

I approached a bunch of girls last night and everything ended up just like things in the dude's story. Went to a house party, there were about 6 girls there (bummer) but I talked to them all. I knew one kind of so we were getting a long great. I was teasing them all, making them laugh, not being that physical (one of my major weaknesses) and having a good time. I was planning to either take one of them home after the bar/club we were going to or just as everyone was leaving the house. Neither happened. Everyone got extremely wasted and left at different times. One was telling me how she just had a cavity filled or something and her mouth was sore. I told her I'd made soup the day before and she said "omggg!!!111!! you're going to have to give me some tomorrow morning" I had the best shit eating grin in response to that. Either way what surprised me was that the girls were more flirty and touchy than the guys. They were hugging everyone, sitting on peoples lap, hell even grabbing asses. It was like some weird twilight zone stuff. Even the girls with boyfriends were draped over guys. I was sitting on a couch and this cute asian just lies down with her head on my dick telling me how drunk she was, she was holding onto one of my hands and my other one was around her. Her herby boyfriend was sitting RIGHT NEXT TO US. Another girl left with the first group and didn't even tell her boyfriend. She found him later and he said something along the lines of "oh baby i missed you whered you go, wuv wooooo" "Men" really have become gigantic pussies and women have become bigger attention whores because they are unchecked at every point.

Approach 7: I brought a bottle of booze on the bus and was with a group. This alright asian girl and herb-o-tron 3000 get on the bus I tell the girl to come over and sit next to me. She does and we all start talking and drinking. Turns out herb-o-tron 3000 is her "best friend in the whole wide world and she loves him like a brother " he looks down defeated. She lives right by where were going so I tell her to come to the bar with us, I guess she assumed herb-o-tron 3000 wasn't invited so she says "I'll see you tomorrow, get home safe" he follows with another defeated look. We start walking to the bar/club and one of the guys I was with just drops in the middle of the street passed out drunk. Luckily his best friend from home was with us so I told him to take the dude home. We carried him to the bus stop and sent them on their way. In that time herby and asian had gone off somewhere (probably dragged by herby) and the girl that came with us left with another dude who was stupid drunk and stumbling. Pussies can't hold their liquor.

Approach 8: I get to the bar/club by myself and theres a huge line. A super cute brunette gets behind me after a few minutes, shes looking around nervously so I turn and say "you look like you don't want to go to this place either" she laughs and we start talking, she gets up next to me in line, I'm teasing and touching her arm. Shes meeting friends there too, but thinks the bar is lame and is just doing it to be nice to her friends. She restarts the conversation if it gets silent. All is going well. We've been talking for about 20 minutes now and I don't think shes drunk, but she also doesn't think I'm that drunk (I'm wasted as hell at this point). I tell her if the line doesn't move in 5 minutes we're going to go to another bar around the corner and hang out. That time comes and she seems kind of hesitant to go because she doesn't want to leave her friends. Just after this one of her friends from inside calls and tells her she can just get in by talking to the doorman. She tells me she'll try to get me in and talks with the guy for a few minutes. She runs back and tells me shes sorry and he won't let me in too and walks back into the place. I tried to get her to stop for a number or something but by the time I had said anything she was pretty much inside. It was 1230 so I ask one of the bouncers if there is still cover, $15 near closing time. No thanks and I leave.

On my way home I talked to some crying chick at the train station, an ugly chick at the bus stop (interrupted when my drunk friends banged on the bus shelter thing and started yelling), and some chick who used to be friends with an ex. She told me she didn't see those people anymore and we should hang out sometime. I had assumed she was drunk, but I don't think she was. Her stop was right by this dope drunk food place so I say "hmmmm im thinking if i should get pizza or not" to gauge whether she is down for anything. She says something like she just ate (I guess seeing through what I said). I'll have to add her to facebook sometime today.

Lessons learned:
- don't get people so drunk they cockblock by passing out and make sure you have tabs on the girls you're gaming at a house party. Make sure she doesn't leave without telling you or goes off with some other dude.
- guys in this city are pussified beyond all belief. I probably could have made out with a dudes girlfriend in front of him and he would have quietly protested saying "can you um please uhhh not do that please"
- girls are starved for the attention of an 'alpha' and will hop around from guy to guy as soon as a dude shows any kind of 'alpha'
- i'm too self-centered in my interactions, while this isn't a bad thing I need to learn how to focus on the girl and think about how she'll respond to things i'm saying and what emotions it will elicit.
- I ask too many questions.
- i need facebook game for university interactions. if I used facebook more i could probably add all these chicks on facebook, run some game and then invite them out one night for a party and bang.
- chicks in university don't really like grabbing drinks they'd rather get drunk at a party then fuck you at the end of the night.

[speakeasy]

(08-19-2012 11:02 AM)thedude3737 Wrote:  

Went to a club last night with Slubu. Place is supposed to be the hot shit in Hollywood. I must have run 8 or so approaches. Slubu had a couple that he brought me into, he brought a couple girls outside to smoke, these girls were pretty bangin' (esp. that girl in the blue dress) and I thought we had something going until they pulled some ADD bullshit, one of them saw someone they knew and they ran off. Each of my approaches turned out the same and I lost steam pretty early in the night actually. Usually I gain momentum but I just got frustrated.

As the night wore on, the ratio got worse, and the music got louder. In retrospect, my only options at that point would have been to go caveman style, which itself would have been hard since there was no proper dance floor, and the scene was very cliquey.

Typical club bullshit, I'd get some interaction going, go for strong initial contact, arm around the back and whatnot, but the ADD level was through the roof. Also I'd watch girls bounce from one group of guys to the next, just soaking up attention.

At one point I was talking to a girl, and another girl across the bar with big tits waved at me. I think it was one of the girls we chitchatted on the street before going into the club. This was probably my only chance to score but I stayed talking to my girl and she, in turn, left after a couple minutes to go check up on her friend. I ran all my approaches at the bar but it led to nothing. Girls would come up, I'd open her up, maybe get a laugh, I'd go for physical contact, she'd flake and bounce. Rinse, repeat.

Seems like girls were just walking around constantly, there was constant traffic and I'm pretty sure it was girls walking to the bathroom and then walking all the way back to the table they were whoring themselves out to for free booze.

All in all, confirming everything I know about clubs. Even though we got into the hot club of the moment, we still had to deal with all the horseshit. This particular club is renowned for celebs hanging out, and there was a private VIP room adjacent to the room we were in. I can only imagine that's where all the hotties went to go suck some celebrity cock and do a few lines. I'm sticking to my policy of only going to clubs if I have a strong hookup, can get free bottle service or otherwise VIP treatment, because otherwise there's literally no way to stand out.

Sounds like just another Hollywood night. That scene got old quick for me.

[MrXY]

(08-19-2012 12:14 PM)WesternCancer Wrote:  

Approach 7: I brought a bottle of booze on the bus and was with a group. This alright asian girl and herb-o-tron 3000 get on the bus I tell the girl to come over and sit next to me. She does and we all start talking and drinking. Turns out herb-o-tron 3000 is her "best friend in the whole wide world and she loves him like a brother " he looks down defeated. She lives right by where were going so I tell her to come to the bar with us, I guess she assumed herb-o-tron 3000 wasn't invited so she says "I'll see you tomorrow, get home safe" he follows with another defeated look. We start walking to the bar/club and one of the guys I was with just drops in the middle of the street passed out drunk. Luckily his best friend from home was with us so I told him to take the dude home. We carried him to the bus stop and sent them on their way. In that time herby and asian had gone off somewhere (probably dragged by herby) and the girl that came with us left with another dude who was stupid drunk and stumbling. Pussies can't hold their liquor.

That is classic beta orbiter behavior-no matter how much she disrespects him he will follow her like a lost puppy hoping she will come around and realize they should be together. She knows this perfectly well and enjoys the worshipful attention and in a cruel way, the power she has over him.

But beta orbiters are sneaky fuckers. I have seen what happened to you happen to me and other guys many times. If the girl meets a guy that she's interested in, the beta will follow along and sort of lurk in the background making occasional appearances to check on the status of the pick up. He will try to find out what plans are being considered so he can come up with some reason to block them and may try to pump the guy for information he can use to try to poison the girls mind against him. If you get separated from the girl even for a few moments he will run in behind your back and immediately try to drag the girl away on some pretext. Often, he will succeed.

My theory is you have to treat orbiters differently than other male friends of the girl. You should be friendly to the girl's male friends and try to establish some rapport with them; if they like you they will either be neutral or may actually assist you. Orbiters, on the other hand, should get a sort of stiff arm. They are always going to be your enemy and are just waiting for a chance to stab you in the back. Don't be blatantly rude-this will put the girl off- but give them a politely cool reception. don't give them any information. When they are not listening, ask the girl if he's her boyfriend. You will get an emphatic denial and often a snicker and some denigrating comments. If the girl is into you, she will often make a sort of common front with you against him and suggest the logistics of ditching him (she has done this many times when she wanted some dick). She wants to see you as the alpha coming in and taking her away from the lower status male.

If you think you have a good chance with this girl, whatever you do, don't wander away from her. They are usually too pussy to try to AMOG you, and the girl has made clear in the past that she does not like him interfering in her conversations with guys she is attracted to.But,he will swoop in the moment you are out of sight and try to pull her out of the venue. And of course, he will be texting her. Stick close, move her around the venue if it is larger to lose the orbiter, and try to bounce her when he is not close by. You want plans to be settled and acted on before he can have a chance to react.