[ComebackKid]

Good looking dude game:
1. Be in a large city. Bonus: high tourist traffic.
2. Set up Tinder account.
3. Get ridiculous # of matches
4. Set up Netflix and chill

^If you can't do this, then you aren't as good looking as you think you are.

[Travesty]

I think the good looking guys posting here found this forum because they were the bottom 10% in game ability. Real bad.

My really good looking friends ranged from no game to great game.

The no game ones did not get many lays, did end up with hot girlfriends.

It is just much easier for them. The good looking guys posting here about how it barely helps at all must have had really horrific game.

My real life experience clashes with everything they say.

Bottom line you aren't just bad with girls if you are great looking and can't get laid with decent quality easily - you are social inept probably in general and need to work on it.

[OGNorCal707]

The level of game you need when you're good looking is much lower then guys who are less attractive, that is just common sense, but there is a direct correlation, some guys can just show up, say "hi" and then basically run "fuck up avoidance game", whereas most other guys will really need that crisp mouth piece and the gift of gab.

On St. Patrick's day I had probably one of my most successful nights from a game perspective, saw this girl standing in the corner of the room by herself, not drinking, not talking to anyone, looking bored, she was dressed super slutty in a Catholic school girl uniform. I slide in super smooth with a clever and witty opener, with impeccable delivery, get her laughing, my conversation game is on point, get her to come to the bar and do a shot with me, we hit the dance floor for some grinding, we take another shot, I sexualize the conversation sensing she's a freak...

Turns out she was a major freak, we make out hard, and she joked about wishing we could find an alley, I thought she was just b.s.ing and joking, but with a stone cold demeanor I said, "lets get out of here", she said "okay", so next thing I know we're strolling out of the bar en route to who knows where. I try to bounce her to my car so I can drive us home to fuck there, but turns out she's kinky and says she wants to suck my dick in "an alley" somewhere.

I know a good spot where its an industrial wearhouse area a few streets off the downtown where it's dead at night time, so we walk like 5 minutes there to some cutty spot where she proceeds to get on her knees and blow me pornstar style.

Now this story isn't meant to be a penthouse letter or a way to brag, I tell this because as we are walking back to the bar after she sucked my dick and swallowed my load, she essentially gave me a back handed compliment. She was like "you know you're not really my type, you're not the best looking guy in the world, but you are a great conversationalist, and really know what to say and how to say it."

So in other words she essentially said that I have good game, and that my game made up for my looks, not that I'm a bad looking guy, a couple members have met me, if anything I'm probably a notch or two above average, but I'm certainly not getting laid solely on my looks. Guys like me have to have good game if we are going to pull off crazy lays.

[AWright]

(04-20-2016 01:04 AM)Travesty Wrote:  

I think the good looking guys posting here found this forum because they were the bottom 10% in game ability. Real bad.

Bottom line you aren't just bad with girls if you are great looking and can't get laid with decent quality easily - you are social inept probably in general and need to work on it.

This was me. I am considered good looking by most women, at 6"3 185 lbs, grew up an athlete and lift weights. I had really bad social anxiety growing up to the point where It hindered me with everyone but especially women. Girls would call me attractive but I would ignore them due to my anxiety issues. Overcoming these issues have been important to my game development.

[Valentine]

I've been told I'm a 9 in facial aesthetics, 8 in physique.

A few years ago when I just found the game I'd have rated myself 8 and 7, but I was rejected constantly. I still got bangs, but only through sheer volume of approaches.

Being good looking definitely gave me a huge boost compared to other guys, one that I'm forever grateful for.

But only now that I have Game can I really leverage it.

Now I rarely get blowouts. I notice the IOIs everywhere. I don't fumble girls subtle hooks that they want to hookup. I know how to lead and escalate.

So in the Game VS Looks debate, in my opinion looks is on a similar level to being rich/jacked/social status/fantastic logistics. All help, but Game is still key.

This is how good looks specifically helps:
+ Extra value which allows you to compete with rich/jacked etc guys.
+ Opening is easier. IOIs more common and you get opened by girls (usually below 7s though).
+ Mid-game is easier. She'll give you more leeway if you fuck up shit tests or same stupid shit ("don't fuck it up game").
+ Closing is easier. Girls are just more turned on.
+ Online game is much easier. Nuff said.
+ In relationships, dread game is easier as your girl will notice the IOIs you get regularly and you only have to start a few conversations to really get the hamster going.
- Halo Effect. In business and all other areas of life you're perceived as more competent, intelligent etc.

Some pitfalls to watch out for:
- Overgaming is a common sticking point. Took me years to learn how to modulate cocky & funny game to the right level in each interaction.
- Player vibe needs to be constantly monitored. Escalating too fast makes girls think you'll never commit so will reject you.
- Don't stick to online game or a niche. Sex will continue but your game will suffer dramatically.
- Be careful with how you talk to girls about health stuff. I love talking about nutrition and exercise, but often girls get insecure, thinking that you're slyly calling them fat.

Notes for out-competing good looking players:
- They usually don't actively work on their Game, so are easy to verbally disarm.
- They're often not intelligent/knowledgeable, so you can school them on that. I find that they do typically do more travelling though and thus are quite often cultured.
- Just treat it like you would a competitor who is rich, jacked etc. It's not something you can't overcome.

[Rush87]

(04-20-2016 01:04 AM)Travesty Wrote:  

I think the good looking guys posting here found this forum because they were the bottom 10% in game ability. Real bad.

My really good looking friends ranged from no game to great game.

The no game ones did not get many lays, did end up with hot girlfriends.

It is just much easier for them. The good looking guys posting here about how it barely helps at all must have had really horrific game.

My real life experience clashes with everything they say.

Bottom line you aren't just bad with girls if you are great looking and can't get laid with decent quality easily - you are social inept probably in general and need to work on it.

If I'm honest, I think a lot of guys sometimes over exaggerate their looks, or think their appearance is a little better than it actually is [Cue "I've been asked to model"]. There's no way to say this without coming across like a homo, but having a few friends with atrocious game, but solid looks… They still slay.

[zatara]

My life experience agrees with Travesty and Rush87. Most guys think they're 'above average' in looks, nearly all of them aren't.

I've got two guy friends from uni who I know are extremely good looking because they got opened by random girls every time we went to a bar in college, and still do years later. Neither has any game to this day, because to them getting laid was always just a case of "don't say anything retarded or get so drunk you pass out". If they stayed in any way sober they'd go home with a good looking girl, if they got fucked up they'd still probably pull a '5' who considered herself lucky to get with them.

Unless girls are opening you you are not above average in looks. Above average guys stand out from the crowd of 'average' by definition so will regularly get opened by girls.

[ComebackKid]

(04-20-2016 10:52 AM)zatara Wrote:  

My life experience agrees with Travesty and Rush87. Most guys think they're 'above average' in looks, nearly all of them aren't.

I've got two guy friends from uni who I know are extremely good looking because they got opened by random girls every time we went to a bar in college, and still do years later. Neither has any game to this day, because to them getting laid was always just a case of "don't say anything retarded or get so drunk you pass out". If they stayed in any way sober they'd go home with a good looking girl, if they got fucked up they'd still probably pull a '5' who considered herself lucky to get with them.

Unless girls are opening you you are not above average in looks. Above average guys stand out from the crowd of 'average' by definition so will regularly get opened by girls.

Bingo. Delusion is not exclusive to women. I've seen some self proclaimed good looking guys post their pics on bodybuilding misc and gll forums, and while some of them were good looking, majority of them were delusional as fuck.

Tinder is by far the best test whether you are good looking or not. Just search "bodybuilding misc male model tinder" and see what results good looking guys get:

• Ridiculous number of matches
• Matches include hot 6+ girls (my system 6=cute, 7=hot, 8+= female models/strippers/etc)
• Girls (including hot) saying hi / starting convo/ being very engaging
• Retarded openers that would get average guy unmatched work fine
  

If you don't get results like that on Tinder, then you're not good looking. Period.

You can read this if you don't believe me:
http://www.tinderseduction.com/male-mode...ase-study/
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread...=162407671

That's what the guy running fake male model tinder account says:

Quote:

Made a tinder troll account just to see how well a male model compares to the rest of us. The results are unbelievable (srs). Every single girl I swipe yes to has been an instant match. There hasn't been a SINGLE time where I have swiped yes and there was no match. All of the following convos take place in a time frame of about 2 hours (srs). I can't even keep up with all the matches/messages I'm getting, it would probably take 10+ people working full time to talk to all the girls who want his dick.

I knew it would be successful, but I'm still in shock of how slooty these girls are/what they will do for this brah's dick (srs). I can literally say ANYTHING and still get their #. The girls often initiate first and respond immediately when I send a message. Admittedly I did get turned down a few times only because I opened with stuff like "let's fukc" (srs).

Also I have absolutely zero game. I wasnt even trying, just sending random bullshiit that came off top of my head but it doesnt matter

And I have/had good looking friends and maybe this matches Travesty, Rush, zatara experience, the thing that most stands out from good looking guys interactions with girls is how receptive/friendly they are off the bat in many interactions. In mixed loose social circle settings if good looking guy initiates convo/introduces himself it will appear as if the girl have been waiting for him to do so while in other cases it would be polite rather than receptive conversation.

[General Stalin]

"Good Looking Dude" Game AKA "Easy Mode"

Auto-aim is on, you have 50% handicap, unlimited ammo, extra lives.

[All or Nothing]

Good looking dude game is as simple as this: Be chill.

All you have to do is be able to spot the girls that like your look and talk to them in a calm, cool and collected way.

Knowing how to carry a conversation and control the rudder on the love boat in order to dock it at the love making station is all you gotta be able to do. It's less of making an effort and more so directing things in the way you want them to go.

It's more of an abstract way of seeing things, but that's how I see it. Also, the good looking thing seems to work like an exponential. A male 7 has it easy, but a male 9 has it extremely easy.

[AlphaPrimate22]

(04-20-2016 01:13 PM)All or Nothing Wrote:  

Good looking dude game is as simple as this: Be chill.

All you have to do is be able to spot the girls that like your look and talk to them in a calm, cool and collected way.

Knowing how to carry a conversation and control the rudder on the love boat in order to dock it at the love making station is all you gotta be able to do. It's less of making an effort and more so directing things in the way you want them to go.

It's more of an abstract way of seeing things, but that's how I see it. Also, the good looking thing seems to work like an exponential. A male 7 has it easy, but a male 9 has it extremely easy.

That's how I think it is. I remember all these dudes at work trying to game this hot girl.We were out at a bar after work (back when I was a waiter we'd go to BDUBs and chill) I just played chill, shot some darts, and asked her out to the movies for after work and we made out and stuff. We didn't fuck, but she said out of all the guys I was the most attractive there.

As far as Tinder goes I dont have a Facebook so I don't use it. I'd rather approach in real life

[Giovonny]

It's not about looks VERSUS game!

It's about looks AND game!

MAXIMIZING BOTH is obviously the greatest thing to do.

Work on BOTH, simultaneously!

Looks and Game are a team. They work together. They should compliment each other and make each other better. Combined, there should be a synergistic effect, a symbiotic relationship that enhances both. Your entire presentation should be congruent.

Each man has his own challenges:

-Good looking but socially inexperienced guys should work on their game/social skills.

-Average looking guys with good social skills should work on both; but, should focus on improving both their look AND their looks.

-Below average in looks and social skills should obviously work on both.

Each man has to build upon his own unique strengths while at the same time building up his own unique weaknesses.

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Personally, I had to really improve all 3 aspects: Looks, Game, and "Look"

"Look" -- Similar to your "style" -- Hipster, bad boy, bro, businessman, jock, surfer/skater, party guy, rich guy, beach guy, country boy, shoes, boots, jewelry, tattoos, hair style, glasses, etc.

Looks -- Skin care, teeth, muscle tone, body fat %, posture, body language health, vibrancy, confidence, comfort, grooming, We have a lot of power to change our bodies and even our face, to a point.

I was decent looking physically but I did a poor job of presenting myself. My muscle tone was bad. My diet and exercise routine needed to get better. My hair style and skin care needed improving. My teeth and overall grooming needed to improve. My body language and posture wasn't great.

My "Look" was not congruent with my personality, nor was it fined tuned to specifically for my location. I dressed business casual even though I was not a businessman. I dressed mainstream even though my personality was more edgy. My look was fined tuned for comfort not to attract girls. I wore sweats and t-shirts.

I had to improve my "look' and my looks.

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Game=Looks

Look=Game

They are two sides of the same coin.

The way in which you present yourself is a representation of your mind.

Your "look" and your looks communicate a lot about your attitude, vibe, personality, imagination, taste, class, culture, values, upbringing, etc.

They should feed off of each other.

[Travesty]

(04-20-2016 01:30 AM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  

...

Outstanding! Nice pull.

[Travesty]

What do you guys think about this scenario:

I am I would say a low 7 on the looks scale. When I approach girls especially at my level to a little higher (low to high 7) I find my teasing asshole game does not work nearly as well off the bat. I think the girls almost find it incongruent that I treat them "below me", when I can almost feel they think I am lucky to be talking with them.

In fact now that I think about it girls at my level or just a little higher on the SMV pole have been the toughest to lay on average in retrospect.

Instead I have found being humorous without teasing, more easy going and comfort building needs more time than usual to bring them down to my level before I can start teasing as much and dig into them.

Now girls that are a clear step below me (mid 6's) I can tease and be over the top with off the bat and they love it almost all the time because I believe in their eyes I am acting congruent because they know I am above them.

Also I notice girls way more attractive than me 8+ also can act much more positively to jerk tease game off the bat because for them I think they that they think I have balls for doing that to them and they find it surprising.

[Pride male]

I havent seen anyone on the forum claim to be an ugly looking man. Honestly speaking I am not particularly good looking.

[mikado]

The only girls who said I was nice looking were no more than 6/10. Never get randomly approached either.

I am not goodlooking either. However I am improving my looks a little bit by dressing a bit better and lifting seriously. Noticed more glances from women after becoming a regular at my gym.

[Rush87]

(04-21-2016 04:27 AM)Pride male Wrote:  

I havent seen anyone on the forum claim to be an ugly looking man. Honestly speaking I am not particularly good looking.

Yeah, as far as I can tell… Everyone is a model and yet they still manage to blow out on a regular basis. lol

[AlphaPrimate22]

No one is going to give a fuck about me, that is how I think. This way, there are no repercussions on "looking lame". Actually, the mindset that everyone is in their own self-centered world is why good looking men don't really get pussy throw at them. Granted its easier (via the Tinder experiement), they still have to make the first comment to get things started.

1.) Women never approach. That's our job.
2.) Looking good gives more leeway with saying dumbshit and her letting it pass.
3.) Be an animalistic asshole. Women are only here for one reason, to survive. They need our dicks. Be confident and own your inner game. Looking good is just an extra blessing that won't do jack.

Donald Trump is one real reason. The guy is charismatic as fuck. He grows on you. And it doesn't take much to conclude he's fucked some of the baddest broads out there. Don't give me the "he has money reason" because that's not the point. He is a blunt asshole, and doesn't give a fuck. That my friends, is key.

[General Stalin]

I would need someone else to rate me. It's very hard to be objective of your own appearance.

I'm tall, lean, and have some decent musculature. Good facial features but nothing striking. I wear glasses, and my teeth are not great. Could be much straighter and whiter - I never open mouth smile unless I'm laughing. I guess I would say I'm relatively average in looks. Nothing really too standout about me besides maybe my tattoos. I've been told I'm attractive by women I'm talking to, but rarely if ever cold approached.

I could certainly improve my teeth which may make a big difference in my appearance and confidence. I also have contemplated laser eye surgery to fix my vision so I don't need to wear glasses 24/7. Aside from that, getting even bigger at the gym and working more on my style and "look" as Gio puts it.

[Huey]

(04-21-2016 10:18 AM)General Stalin Wrote:  

I would need someone else to rate me. It's very hard to be objective of your own appearance.

I'm tall, lean, and have some decent musculature. Good facial features but nothing striking. I wear glasses, and my teeth are not great. Could be much straighter and whiter - I never open mouth smile unless I'm laughing. I guess I would say I'm relatively average in looks. Nothing really too standout about me besides maybe my tattoos. I've been told I'm attractive by women I'm talking to, but rarely if ever cold approached.

I could certainly improve my teeth which may make a big difference in my appearance and confidence. I also have contemplated laser eye surgery to fix my vision so I don't need to wear glasses 24/7. Aside from that, getting even bigger at the gym and working more on my style and "look" as Gio puts it.

Tinder is a good metric to assess your attractiveness. I'd say if you're consistently matching with above average looking girls and they're opening you, then you're a good looking guy.

[griffinmill]

(04-21-2016 10:18 AM)General Stalin Wrote:  

I also have contemplated laser eye surgery to fix my vision so I don't need to wear glasses 24/7. Aside from that, getting even bigger at the gym and working more on my style and "look" as Gio puts it.

I'm a decent looking guy, and I wear glasses. I'm not sure if this detracts from my overall attractiveness, but I've also been contemplating laser eye surgery as I hate heaving to wear them all the time. There's also an issue of congruence as trying to give off the r-selected bad-boy vibe may be offset by the glasses. I do take them off when I'm on a date, but while out gaming or whatever, I need to wear them.

I've been rocking clear-frames for a while which are really subtle.

[Travesty]

(04-21-2016 10:18 AM)General Stalin Wrote:  

but rarely if ever cold approached.

Great looking guys get cold approached often, it is probably the number one objective metric of being very good looking to chicks.

Girls do the work to game you.

A great anecdote is a friend I had in college was ridiculously good looking. He was shy and awkward and a complete mimbo. He had hot girls go through the effort to throw him a birthday party in high school when they barely knew him, he was not popular or anything.

[Travesty]

(04-21-2016 10:06 AM)AlphaPrimate22 Wrote:  

why good looking men don't really get pussy throw at them

1.) Women never approach. That's our job.

Have you been reading? This is completely false unless the good looking guy is borderline autistic or vastly overestimates his looks (much more likely).

[General Stalin]

(04-21-2016 12:48 PM)griffinmill Wrote:  

(04-21-2016 10:18 AM)General Stalin Wrote:  

I also have contemplated laser eye surgery to fix my vision so I don't need to wear glasses 24/7. Aside from that, getting even bigger at the gym and working more on my style and "look" as Gio puts it.

I'm a decent looking guy, and I wear glasses. I'm not sure if this detracts from my overall attractiveness, but I've also been contemplating laser eye surgery as I hate heaving to wear them all the time. There's also an issue of congruence as trying to give off the r-selected bad-boy vibe may be offset by the glasses. I do take them off when I'm on a date, but while out gaming or whatever, I need to wear them.

I've been rocking clear-frames for a while which are really subtle.

I don't think the glasses really take a lot away, and I do get compliments about them, but the shitty thing is that I have horrid eyesight. I literally have to wear them as long as I'm awake otherwise I can't do anything. Everything is blurry that is more than 12 inches from my face.

[Merenguero]

(04-21-2016 10:06 AM)AlphaPrimate22 Wrote:  

1.) Women never approach. That's our job.

You need to spend a few hours out with me in a Southern California beach town and I doubt you'll ever say that again. You'll probably get approached too.