[firstofthemonth]

Be careful about thinking too much about game materials found online. So much is written for short fugly dudes to compensate. I have noticed that if I get out of my head and have a relaxed, pleasant demeanor women will often approach me. I know I have fucked up way too many times trying to overcalculate my moves when I would have been better off just relaxing and going with it. After learning more about game I look back in amazement at how much women overlooked. I remember eventually screwing up with a girl who got angry and said I tricked her with my looks.

[lush1]

Spot on. I spent a long time fucking up my chances by trying to apply standard game methods when they just weren't needed.

[Blackwell]

Excellent post there firstofthemonth.

It is of great benefit to you to put your a significant amount of your time, money and effort in order to become as attractive as you can be.

The more attractive you appear, the less hoops you gotta jump through and you can be less methodical and ease up a little. Don't have to dip into the bag of tricks and risk over gaming as much.

People may not wanna hear it but looks matter now more than ever in my opinion.

This is the social media generation. Everything is visual.

[8ball]

(05-31-2015 04:19 AM)lush1 Wrote:  

(05-30-2015 10:46 AM)8ball Wrote:  

Goes out with and fucks are completely different things. Very good looking guys are busy doing house calls. You either have not been exposed to good looking guy game or are addicted to the old pua koolaid.

Please can you elaborate? I am a newbie to cold approaching and am looking to improve the quality, I haven't been exposed to good looking guy game thats why I'm on this thread.

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-13256.html

[lush1]

(06-01-2015 01:41 PM)8ball Wrote:  

(05-31-2015 04:19 AM)lush1 Wrote:  

(05-30-2015 10:46 AM)8ball Wrote:  

Goes out with and fucks are completely different things. Very good looking guys are busy doing house calls. You either have not been exposed to good looking guy game or are addicted to the old pua koolaid.

Please can you elaborate? I am a newbie to cold approaching and am looking to improve the quality, I haven't been exposed to good looking guy game thats why I'm on this thread.

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-13256.html

Interesting read. Seems online game is where its at for good looking blokes.. It doesn't really show on that thread about the quality of women. In my post earlier I was referring to the fact that 9s, ime, tend to date down. There isn't anything in that thread to show otherwise. Again, having never visited a dating site, I wonder how many 9s go online to meet men?

[8ball]

(06-01-2015 03:22 PM)lush1 Wrote:  

Interesting read. Seems online game is where its at for good looking blokes.. It doesn't really show on that thread about the quality of women. In my post earlier I was referring to the fact that 9s, ime, tend to date down. There isn't anything in that thread to show otherwise. Again, having never visited a dating site, I wonder how many 9s go online to meet men?

OMG dude, you are new to day game and you don't go online and are just basing this on what you have seen? They date down after being penetrated buy a long list of guys like the post i linked to. But please go on believing wallowitz looking guys have it made.

[lush1]

Fair enough, as I say am only going on my experience. And I wasn't saying wallowitz guys have it made, just recounting my personal experience in my 34 years of life. Ive always worked in places with a lot of high end women so have some experience with them and seeing what theor partners are like etc. Fully admit to not being a PUA, so it's all a learning curve.

[MikeinMKE]

(06-06-2012 11:22 AM)Sonofzeus Wrote:  

I am 'too much' for them to feel secure in a relationship. (Maybe I'm not aiming high enough) My leanness draws attention to their own physical insecurities , negs are not as effective , I get a better response from being nice (had a girl delete my off BBM recently after I ran into her while with other girls, I played nice guy game and clarified i'm not a player, despite how I look/dress/hangout with. Could not have worked out better).

Core concepts related to masculinity, non-neediness, kino, etc still apply, but there are some notable differences. What do you all think on this matter?

I would agree with this - textbook game was amazing for me because I was such a huge pussy up until age 25 or so. Then when I discovered Roosh and applied the game concepts to dating and going out, I probably was a bit over the top and not realizing that sometimes I already had them hooked just by being myself after the initial approach and banter.

But finally I feel that I more or less figured the right combination of how to act around women. Some game, some playfulness and cockiness at first, but then ease way off b/c it's threatening when you present a solid overall package of looks, career and possessions/status. It's funny because I didn't actually realize how many girls I had already "reeled in" until I've had some heart to hearts with my current long-term GF (first one in like 4 years, first one since I discovered game). Granted, I didn't usually WANT to have them "reeled in" - I was usually searching for a semi-elegant escape after a couple weeks of dating... But to summarize, for the first 30 years of my life I was mostly "too cold" and then for about 2 or 3 years I may have been a little "too hot". I feel like I'm finally just right - and I am in a happy LT relationship with a high value chick 10 years my junior.

[Pride male]

I think every man should consider himself a 10/10 even if he is overweight and short. Delusions of grandeur and irrational overconfidence can help your game.

[bacan]

As long as you can drop those delusions when it's time to decide whether to go to the gym or not the next day...

[Dalaran1991]

(06-02-2015 12:39 PM)Pride male Wrote:  

I think every man should consider himself a 10/10 even if he is overweight and short. Delusions of grandeur and irrational overconfidence can help your game.

And thats how fat overweight whales are led to believe they all deserve Ryan Gosling.

Be careful what techniques you are using to patch your inner game. An inflated sense of self might help if you are young and gaming trashy US college chicks. Or if you are trying to break out of the nice guy beta phase. Any person with the least modicum of substance will call you out on it otherwise and you risk making a fool of yourself.

Social daftness and charm are key. ""Give me ten minutes to talk away my ugly face and I will bed the queen of France" -Voltaire

Some good looking guys have it easy. Thats their problems and none of your business.

[sixsix]

How to reconcile these two things:

• Good looks are fucking important.
• Original PUA: Looks do not or barely matter.
  

Is a belief true? And is that belief helping you?

In the beginning stages of learning game and in a culture that already emphasized the importance of money and looks, the belief that looks matter a lot would hurt rather than help. Believing your success depends on things you control is empowering and motivates men to change. It might be true that looks determine much of the outcome, but while out chatting up girls we pretend it is false, because that increases our success.

A sense of reality is necessary for knowing what to do. Without it, we wouldn't be able to determine the most effective solution to our problem. We wouldn't even know we had a problem. However painful the truth can be, it illuminates the path to growth.

But...

Confidence is necessary for actually doing it. Life's biggest obstacle is inaction because of doubting yourself. However knowledgable and talented you are, it means nothing if you don't believe in yourself. Rationally, you can always find someone that is better, or a reason why it shouldn't work. Paralysis by analysis, or why street smarts can beat intelligence-without-testicles.

Be honest when you strategize. Be bold when you execute.
Be able to entertain multiple modes of thinking, understand their benefits and drawbacks, and know when to use which.

[CJ_W]

(05-31-2015 04:19 AM)lush1 Wrote:  

(05-30-2015 10:46 AM)8ball Wrote:  

Goes out with and fucks are completely different things. Very good looking guys are busy doing house calls. You either have not been exposed to good looking guy game or are addicted to the old pua koolaid.

Please can you elaborate? I am a newbie to cold approaching and am looking to improve the quality, I haven't been exposed to good looking guy game thats why I'm on this thread.

Do a search, there're multiple threads on this subject that's been beaten to death ad nauseum. Don't ask people to hold your hand when your off busy arguing for your limitations.

I'll give you a check list:

Ask yourself:

A) Do you have the bodies of the pictures of the guys in the thread? (the one where the heads were turned)

if no: hit the gym until you do.


B)So you have the body of a greek God, Have you posted awesome pictures of your body on ok cupid, tinder etc?

If yes, show us the profile and the results,

if no. . .go do that.


C) So you have the body, the profile. . .Do you have a decent wardrobe that shows off that body and draws women's eyes to you?

if no, Search the forums more, Go buy a GQ magazine, Read some of GManifesto's posts on dressing.

D)STILL not slaying hordes of pussy? Go find the "Good Picture" thread in the game section. don't remember the title, just go find it yourself.

E)Still failing at it?
Then you'd better buy all of Roosh's books, and memorize them front to cover, take a few more years reading the game material and practicing it daily everywhere

F) S T I L L not getting laid?
Better move to the Philippines, wife up a hot young brown girl and give her like 5 kids and raise a family, cause you're not going to get anywhere at this point.

The Male Hamsterization in this thread needs to stop. This isn't RSD Nation 2.0. Get with the program.

[lush1]

(06-03-2015 09:05 AM)CJ_W Wrote:  

(05-31-2015 04:19 AM)lush1 Wrote:  

(05-30-2015 10:46 AM)8ball Wrote:  

Goes out with and fucks are completely different things. Very good looking guys are busy doing house calls. You either have not been exposed to good looking guy game or are addicted to the old pua koolaid.

Please can you elaborate? I am a newbie to cold approaching and am looking to improve the quality, I haven't been exposed to good looking guy game thats why I'm on this thread.

Do a search, there're multiple threads on this subject that's been beaten to death ad nauseum. Don't ask people to hold your hand when your off busy arguing for your limitations.

I'll give you a check list:

Ask yourself:

A) Do you have the bodies of the pictures of the guys in the thread? (the one where the heads were turned)

if no: hit the gym until you do.


B)So you have the body of a greek God, Have you posted awesome pictures of your body on ok cupid, tinder etc?

If yes, show us the profile and the results,

if no. . .go do that.


C) So you have the body, the profile. . .Do you have a decent wardrobe that shows off that body and draws women's eyes to you?

if no, Search the forums more, Go buy a GQ magazine, Read some of GManifesto's posts on dressing.

D)STILL not slaying hordes of pussy? Go find the "Good Picture" thread in the game section. don't remember the title, just go find it yourself.

E)Still failing at it?
Then you'd better buy all of Roosh's books, and memorize them front to cover, take a few more years reading the game material and practicing it daily everywhere

F) S T I L L not getting laid?
Better move to the Philippines, wife up a hot young brown girl and give her like 5 kids and raise a family, cause you're not going to get anywhere at this point.

The Male Hamsterization in this thread needs to stop. This isn't RSD Nation 2.0. Get with the program.

I was responding to 8balls post where he said "you either have not been exposed to good looking guy game or are still addicted to the old pua koolaid". I didn't know what he meant by this statement, so asked him to elaborate. Not asking anyone to hold my hand. And I am not arguing my limitations - I'm saying that guys who are good looking have to approach game in a very different way to avoid scaring shy 18-25 yo girls away, and I would like to hear peoples experiences of how they overcome this.

I made a comment to 8ball that in my life experience (not game), all the 9s I have known have dated down looks wise. That was merely an observation that I feel is relevant to the topic, nothing else. I should have kept quiet on that as I was really hoping to use this thread as a source of practical information rather than a general debate on whether looks matter, to which the answer is obvious.

I don't do online game, so the question about OK Cupid etc is over my head, as is the picture thread. From 8balls post though it seems that online game is the way forward for good looking guys, sio his advice has been useful in that respect. Thank you, 8ball.

And I read 'Game' and 'Daygame' and I found that by following a lot of the principles in these books, as well as online game resources I was actually overgaming and scaring girls away. Which was what prompted me to bump this thread. I'm not complaining or asking for anyone to do anything for me I am here to learn, and I will share my experiences as I go (am laid up with sinusitis at the moment so all pussy chasing activities are on hold).

Cheers for taking time out to reply, however I don't really see the relevance of most of your post to my situation, which I have explained earlier in the thread.

[8ball]

(06-03-2015 12:10 PM)lush1 Wrote:  

And I read 'Game' and 'Daygame' and I found that by following a lot of the principles in these books, as well as online game resources I was actually overgaming and scaring girls away. Which was what prompted me to bump this thread...

Are you attributing the result to you being good looking and using the wrong kind of game? or just not enough practice?

Being good looking and over-gaming is a problem because it alerts the girl that you are clearly hiding something, even if you are not. Its not what she expects from you, what you are saying and how you say it does not match how you appear.

[lush1]

(06-03-2015 12:31 PM)8ball Wrote:  

(06-03-2015 12:10 PM)lush1 Wrote:  

And I read 'Game' and 'Daygame' and I found that by following a lot of the principles in these books, as well as online game resources I was actually overgaming and scaring girls away. Which was what prompted me to bump this thread...

Are you attributing the result to you being good looking and using the wrong kind of game? or just not enough practice?

Being good looking and over-gaming is a problem because it alerts the girl that you are clearly hiding something, even if you are not. Its not what she expects from you, what you are saying and how you say it does not match how you appear.

The former. These books, I think, are aimed at building attraction. If you try and build attraction when it is already there you just end up coming across as weird.

Your second paragraph hits the nail firmly on the head.

What I'm trying to work on is building comfort, and FAG.

[CJ_W]

[quote] (06-03-2015 12:10 PM)lush1 Wrote:  

[quote='CJ_W' pid='1035552' dateline='1433340337']
[quote='lush1' pid='1033161' dateline='1433063998']
[quote='8ball' pid='1032631' dateline='1433000800']

I don't really see the relevance of most of your post to my situation,[/quote]

I pretty much laid out all you need to have to get laid, and about 90% of the tools in existence (the other 10% is fame and money) If your too "proud" to use ALL the tools available to get what you want, Maybe you don't want it hard enough. You don't do online game and you don't think that getting in shape and dressing well mean anything to you.(according to your reply)

Also the "I wasn't talking to you I was talking to 8ball" sentiment is silly, if that's the case then just PM him. This is a forum, other people WILL answer you, if you get triggered by that then, that's your problem.

Basically it comes down to this:
Do you want to get laid?

Do you want to get laid with decent looking to hot women?

Or

Are you going to stay ARGUING FOR your limitations?

You can't do both at the same time, either your working towards your goals, or your lamenting not having your goals yet. . .which will give you. . .more of not having your goals.

Getting laid and success in other areas depends on YOU. No one else.

There are MANY ways to go about getting women on this forum, you don't have time to be arguing those points, you need to be going out and executing those points, THEN come back and write datasheets(or datasheet type posts) about your successes so that others can learn from it. Success is up to you. You have all the knowledge of HUNDREDS of men who have had success with women and business AT YOUR FINGERTIPS.

It's really up to you to "Man up" and go and get your success. Anything else and you'll find failure, every time.

Good luck.

[Dalaran1991]

Quote:

And I read 'Game' and 'Daygame' and I found that by following a lot of the principles in these books, as well as online game resources I was actually overgaming and scaring girls away

All these discussions about being good looking and over gaming are making me laugh.

You guys are talking as if being good looking is ever a bad thing.

Girls are not gonna automatically flip a switch in their head saying "he's too good for me" "he's good looking, so I must be on guard" when a good looking guy approaches them with standard game.

If you guys have really hanged out with GL guys WITH game, you will see that GL guys gets more free passes for overgaming than the average dude. They get free passes for everything.

Quote:

Being good looking and over-gaming is a problem because it alerts the girl that you are clearly hiding something, even if you are not. Its not what she expects from you, what you are saying and how you say it does not match how you appear.

This is not a problem with being GL. Its a problem with running shitty game and having no congruence.

Go run with some GL guys with asshole game and see how they "scare" girls into removing their panties. Hilarious

Go check on that other thread about the Tinder experiment for some enlightenment. Basically a GLG saying outlandish shit to girls get tons of responses while the average dude would get a slap or reported.

Even the thread title confuses me. Theres no GL guys game. Theres good game and bad game. GL guys get more leeway for running game, but theres no game the average guy can run and a GL guy CAN NOT run.

And quite frankly, if the girl do indeed rejects you because you are out of her league, why the hell are you trying to game her anyway? Go hit up the big bombs. Her loss not yours.

Niggas be making girls' problems into their own

Quote:

If you try and build attraction when it is already there you just end up coming across as weird.

If you try and build attraction when it is already there your game is shit.

Almost half of the game is about knowing where you stand. This problem applies to all, not just GLGs.

Dont chalk bad game to being GL. Thats like saying having money hurts.

[Noir]

Like Dalaran said, you just get more passes on shit tests.

You present yourself as awesome, shit tests are the deciding factor for her (consciously or subconsciously).

You get more 'lives' when good looking hence they call it 'don't fuck up' game.

Frame + congruence aka being real and having no ulterior agenda are the most important things, forget about witty/cocky-funny etc.

Good looking guy game = chick game = next/screening while not fucking up and keeping up the illusion of value in her eyes.

If your game is tight, you will turn it on her and qualify her/shit test her from your own vantage point.

On the contrary to certain posters, I think fake it till you make it is a good thing.

Let me break down the cycle, the way I see it (excuse my shitty MSpaint skills):




Confidence (self belief or 10/10 belief) leads to Patience (that belief) leads to Feedback (results from environment) leads to boosting Confidence etc. and the cycle continues.

This is mainly for those who don't have delusional confidence levels and their self-image is somewhat rooted in their environment (internal self-esteem vs externally derived self-esteem).

Faking it till you make it, you compensate for the feedback with delusions, all the while boosting your confidence and patience.

Once you reach a level, your confidence is quite strong that you don't really rely on the cycle for confidence itself but rather a self-evaluation tool of your progress.

In the beginning, where your progress may be strong but the feedback a bit lacking, it is a decent way of getting ahead.

If you are good looking, your confidence should be raised and by applying the 'game' I described above, your feedback will be great.

So just hit the gym/develop your skills/become well rounded for yourself, say in shape and just pass shit-tests through solid frame, intent and congruence.

Pretty much what girls do. If you see a girl who you think is a saint and she turns out to be a slut, you will be turned off. If you got options, you will next, if not, you will give her more 'passes'.

It's kind of similar but I probably digressed a few times during this post, based on my own experiences.

[Cheetah]

Quote:

If you guys have really hanged out with GL guys WITH game, you will see that GL guys gets more free passes for overgaming than the average dude. They get free passes for everything.

For very much, but not everything. Very low confidence is something that girls usually don't forgive.

Quote:

Even the thread title confuses me. Theres no GL guys game. Theres good game and bad game. GL guys get more leeway for running game, but theres no game the average guy can run and a GL guy CAN NOT run.

Girls might not be interested to hear the good looking guy's interesting life story if they already decided that they want to bang.

[Cheetah]

Now it is obviously not black and white, good looking or not good looking. But to generalise..

If you are good looking, girls at a night venue make up their mind pretty quick after approaching whether or not they are interested to bang. If they are, they just want to make sure that there are no major flaws.

If you are not good looking, the girls are usually not interested or neutral. If neutral they want to know more about the guy before they decide whether or not they want to bang.

If you are good looking, it's more about either yes or no girls, not so many maybe girls.

[lush1]

(06-03-2015 07:25 PM)CJ_W Wrote:  

[quote] (06-03-2015 12:10 PM)lush1 Wrote:  

[quote='lush1' pid='1033161' dateline='1433063998']
[quote='8ball' pid='1032631' dateline='1433000800']

I don't really see the relevance of most of your post to my situation,

I pretty much laid out all you need to have to get laid, and about 90% of the tools in existence (the other 10% is fame and money) If your too "proud" to use ALL the tools available to get what you want, Maybe you don't want it hard enough. You don't do online game and you don't think that getting in shape and dressing well mean anything to you.(according to your reply)

Also the "I wasn't talking to you I was talking to 8ball" sentiment is silly, if that's the case then just PM him. This is a forum, other people WILL answer you, if you get triggered by that then, that's your problem.

Basically it comes down to this:
Do you want to get laid?

Do you want to get laid with decent looking to hot women?

Or

Are you going to stay ARGUING FOR your limitations?

You can't do both at the same time, either your working towards your goals, or your lamenting not having your goals yet. . .which will give you. . .more of not having your goals.

Getting laid and success in other areas depends on YOU. No one else.

There are MANY ways to go about getting women on this forum, you don't have time to be arguing those points, you need to be going out and executing those points, THEN come back and write datasheets(or datasheet type posts) about your successes so that others can learn from it. Success is up to you. You have all the knowledge of HUNDREDS of men who have had success with women and business AT YOUR FINGERTIPS.

It's really up to you to "Man up" and go and get your success. Anything else and you'll find failure, every time.

Good luck.

Mate you are completely missing the point of why I posted in this thread. My body, clothes and lifestyle are spot on. I'm getting laid plenty. I am, however, missing out on bangs where I know the girl is attracted to me, because the girls is intimidated or nervous, and my game is not good ebnough to counter this. I bumped this thread to see of any guys who had experienced this could offer any guidance. It was also my intention to document my findings, which I started to do before the topic went off track.

In the past I never wanted to do online game because I don't like the way that its heavily in the womens favour, and I have always been doubtful as to the quality. After reading this thread though it seems there is good quality to be had and it might be a fruitful hunting ground, so I shall look into this.

I don't understand where you've got the idea that I can't get laid and am looking for excuses why from?? Have you read my first post on this thread?

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-13463-...pid1031866

[Cheetah]

Quote:

Compliments - just don't give them, unless they are ultra subtle and genuine. It freaks the lizard out and her brain can't handle it.

DHV - don't do it, you'll invariably look like you're boasting or intimidate her further.

Comfort building - I have had girls who have made it quite clear that they find me extremely attractive and I have built good rapport with but have then flaked. I'm certain its because they are intimidated. I've tried being self deprecating but end up just clowning myself. Can anyone offer any advice on putting girls at ease? (this generally applies to girls in their late teens/early twenties). I'm thinking to just next these girls and move on to others who will be secure enough to not be intimidated?

As to the compliment, do you really find that genuinely saying that you like her [insert word of whatever that you truly like about her] in the initial interaction could hurt your chances, especially during day game?

As to comfort building, have you tried to tell her in a sentence or two max why you specifically want to see her and not any other girl? Like 'btw, I fancy your [whatever], are you free to meet up later?'.

[lush1]

(06-04-2015 04:12 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

Quote:

And I read 'Game' and 'Daygame' and I found that by following a lot of the principles in these books, as well as online game resources I was actually overgaming and scaring girls away

All these discussions about being good looking and over gaming are making me laugh.

You guys are talking as if being good looking is ever a bad thing.

Girls are not gonna automatically flip a switch in their head saying "he's too good for me" "he's good looking, so I must be on guard" when a good looking guy approaches them with standard game.

If you guys have really hanged out with GL guys WITH game, you will see that GL guys gets more free passes for overgaming than the average dude. They get free passes for everything.

Quote:

Being good looking and over-gaming is a problem because it alerts the girl that you are clearly hiding something, even if you are not. Its not what she expects from you, what you are saying and how you say it does not match how you appear.

This is not a problem with being GL. Its a problem with running shitty game and having no congruence.

Go run with some GL guys with asshole game and see how they "scare" girls into removing their panties. Hilarious

Go check on that other thread about the Tinder experiment for some enlightenment. Basically a GLG saying outlandish shit to girls get tons of responses while the average dude would get a slap or reported.

Even the thread title confuses me. Theres no GL guys game. Theres good game and bad game. GL guys get more leeway for running game, but theres no game the average guy can run and a GL guy CAN NOT run.

And quite frankly, if the girl do indeed rejects you because you are out of her league, why the hell are you trying to game her anyway? Go hit up the big bombs. Her loss not yours.

Niggas be making girls' problems into their own

Quote:

If you try and build attraction when it is already there you just end up coming across as weird.

If you try and build attraction when it is already there your game is shit.

Almost half of the game is about knowing where you stand. This problem applies to all, not just GLGs.

Dont chalk bad game to being GL. Thats like saying having money hurts.

OK so the point of your post seems to be that I have bad game, I'm aware of this which is why I'm on the forum. If I was a good looking guy with tight game why would I be posting on a PUA forum looking for advice?

Re your comment about there only being good game and bad game, in that case why don't we just have one thread on this forum entitled 'Bad Game'? There are a great many aspects to game and they affect all of us differently, by discussing them and sharing experiences we can all help each other improve these aspects of our game.


It may seem hard to believe but after getting scores of responses like "I don't believe you're being serious" "I don't believe you're not married", "You're just using me to get to ****" "you're doing this for a dare" flakes it gets kinda frustrating, hence bumping this thread.

Plus having girls being unable to speak anything other than gibberish when you talk to them, unable to remember their phone number/facebook/contact details, shaking like a leaf or falling over their feet....this kind of thing actually makes it quite hard to apply any sort of 'game' at all. I don't see how my bad game can even come into this when a girl is so nervous she can't hold a conversation

But, I think you're right. Theres only a certain type of 18 yo that can handle having a high quality bloke interested in her so rather than waste time with the scaredy cats I'll just next them until I find one with a figurative pair of bollocks. That and only approach high class women during the day.

[lush1]

(06-04-2015 11:28 AM)Cheetah Wrote:  

Quote:

Compliments - just don't give them, unless they are ultra subtle and genuine. It freaks the lizard out and her brain can't handle it.

DHV - don't do it, you'll invariably look like you're boasting or intimidate her further.

Comfort building - I have had girls who have made it quite clear that they find me extremely attractive and I have built good rapport with but have then flaked. I'm certain its because they are intimidated. I've tried being self deprecating but end up just clowning myself. Can anyone offer any advice on putting girls at ease? (this generally applies to girls in their late teens/early twenties). I'm thinking to just next these girls and move on to others who will be secure enough to not be intimidated?

As to the compliment, do you really find that genuinely saying that you like her [insert word of whatever that you truly like about her] in the
initial interaction could hurt your chances, especially during day game?

As to comfort building, have you tried to tell her in a sentence or two max why you specifically want to see her and not any other girl? Like 'btw, I fancy your [whatever], are you free to meet up later?'.

With compliments I've found that a subtle indirect compliment is ok later in the interaction but not as an opener. I've found that in interactions where I've used this as an opener the girl seems very nervous. Pretty much all my success have come from an observational opener, or a petshop type thing (asking for a cigarette, for example).

re comfort building - no I haven't tried that and shall do so. Cheers.