[WestIndianArchie]

http://talesfromthecrib.blogspot.com/200...-wife.html

All I can do is smile.

These women played the game perfectly and snagged them a doctor, only to find out he's never at home and flirts with pretty nurses all day, while she's finding solace in junior's spelling practice.

"TO THE WOMAN WHO IS WORRIED ABOUT THE NURSE FLIRTING WITH THEIR HUSBAND. It unfortunatly goes with the territory. You should take it as a sign of pride that others are intrested in your man. "

"The problem is that I don't feel appreciated and I'm so lonely."

[Basil Ransom]

That's the thing about being a woman. No matter how it turns out, it's your right and duty to complain, and people will listen.

Other entitled women will listen, if only so they get a chance to whine too. Beta white knights will offer their sympathy, in the hopes that someone notices them. And the world turns...

[Excelsior]

In this we see the conundrum of female hypergamy. Women want ambitious men, a desire which disproportionately leads them to advanced white collar professionals like doctors, lawyers, and financiers. They want men who will become accomplished and can go places later on, factors which will in turn ensure that she and any children she gives birth to will also be able to enjoy a great lifestyle.

The problem is that ambition is pricey. The desirable men they want are desirable to all of the other women too, which increases the risk of cheating (read: she needs to work harder to keep him). In addition to this, ambition is time consuming-of all of the advanced white collar professions I listed above, lawyers probably have the most reasonable hours, and their hours (if we're talking about big-time NYC corporate law, which is where most of the "prestige" is) still aren't all that reasonable . Residency and big banking hours are just nightmarish.

This all leads to lifestyle sacrifices. They get the massive paychecks along with the house, the Mercedes, the vacation home and all of the other trappings a woman has in mind when she seeks a man like this out in the first place. What they don't get is time with their husband, or any semblance of a normal family life. They don't tend to reproduce very much either-part of this is because they spend so much time apart and become more distant. Part of this is also because kids are expensive, and as his career progresses and status-markers become more important, the money that would be spent on private school tuition for Jr. #2 becomes more ideally spent on the new 7-Series.

They can't win. If they don't get the ambitious future lawyer/doctor/harvard MBA, they feel like they've lost, since settling is failure.
If they do get such a man, they still feel like they've lost, because none of the trappings of his career or the money he makes can buy her happiness.

[Excelsior]

Some of the comments on that article are quite interesting, so I picked out a few (there were hundreds to choose from). There is a generally negative tone to them overall-the wives and girlfriends don't seem very satisfied with the trials that their choice to be with a doctor has put on them.

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Married 25 years to a doctor. My advice: don't do it, unless your spouse is going to be a dermatologist or a radiologist. Being married to a doctor is much worse than being a single parent-- I call it "single parent plus", because not only do you have to raise the kids alone, but you also have to take care of a cranky and unappreciative spouse who shows up all hours of the day and night wanting food, clean clothes and sex on demand. No amount of positive attitude can hold back the anger and resentment you will feel after spending years taking care of absolutely everything in your lives, including home, children, automobiles, finances, repairs, social events, church, school, sports, and relationships with both your families.

And it's really not good for your kids, growing up with such a lopsided relationship as their primary role model. Plus I think doctors are often meaner to their kids than other parents, because their king-of-the-hill profession allows them to be demanding, impatient and autocratic all day at work, and gradually they become exactly the same way at home with you and the kids. Not to mention the pressure doctors put on their kids to be at the top of the class at all times, just like they were.

That said, if you are already married, here's my advice:
1. Know everything about your assets and finances. Insist that all assets (home, cars, bank accts, stock accts, etc) are held jointly--this means you must be listed as an owner on the deed or account, too. It is no joke that doctors often trade in their old spouses for newer models--they really do, and they often walk away with almost everything you both have worked for. Don't expect to get alimony or sympathy--it won't happen. I have seen it too many times and it is truly heartbreaking. So be prepared, even if you think it can't happen to you.
2. Pay for help. Even if you are lucky enough to have family around. Being married to a doctor is a long and totally exhausting venture, so don't even think about mowing the lawn, painting a room or cleaning the house yourself--you've got to pace yourself or you will never survive. I know lots of doctors wives who even have drivers to take their kids to the endless lessons/games etc. Sounds ridiculous, but trust me, you need all the help you can get.
3. Once your kids are school aged, take long and exotic vacations. Try to take at least 10 days every year, out of the country if possible. Even though you have to plan, pack and execute these big trips all by yourself, they will be just about the only times your family will spend together, and about the only "perk" you will get from the big doctor paycheck. Stay in huge suites in fabulous hotels and book all the side trips and activities.
4. Stop waiting for your doctor spouse to participate and just raise your children the best you can. They will grow up faster than you can imagine, and they will love you wholeheartedly for always being the one who was there through thick and thin, and being the one who made time for them. It is not your job to beg, wheedle or nag your spouse into being a good parent. If they truly care, they will make time to be with the kids. If not, they will put their golf/tennis game, sports on TV, or million other hobbies first and just show up occasionally to do "filet of parenting"--that is, the fun stuff. Either way, it's not your decision, it's theirs, and they will reap exactly what they sow.
5. Don't have a lot of kids. "Single parenting plus" gets geometrically harder the more kids you have.

Good luck--you'll need it!
posted by Anonymous at 7/25/2009 09:44:00 PM

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if you're just dating a doctor or med student, GET OUT NOW. It only gets worse. It's an extremely lonely life, no matter how "independent" you are.
posted by Anonymous at 8/28/2009 02:01:00 PM

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I have been married to a doctor for 17 years, and the loneliness has only gotten worse as time has gone on. Our time together is indeed quality time, but it is quantity that I need. The only way that I can cope with the incessant waiting is to distance myself from him, and that is sad. I know he loves me very much, but it just isn't enough. My advice to any one who is considering marrying a doctor for a glamorous life, forget it. If you can, turn and run away or you are condemned to a life of loneliness. Medicine is his Camilla.....
posted by Anonymous at 4/30/2010 06:01:00 PM

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I've been with my surgeon husband for 25 years, married for 18 of them. We have three kids. My husband came from a very close-knit traditional family that was very important to him a long time ago. No longer. Being a surgeon has absolutely changed him as a person. Whoever said that they married one person and now find themselves wondering who is this imposter who has taken his place, that is exactly how I feel. He was once warm, friendly and kind. Now it seems he is only like that to his patients. To me, his wife, not so much. He has told me he believes that I do nothing but spend his money, sit around with my friends, sleep all day. Nothing could be further from the truth. Is he kidding? He goes whole seasons without seeing one soccer game or practice. Could not name one of the kids' teachers. Has never been to a Dr. appointment. He never even drove me to the hospital when I delivered each of the kids. He was always on call, somewhere else.

This is not what I signed up for. A comfortable lifestyle is about all we have together. Otherwise, nothing. He comes home to eat, sleep, change. He sleeps in a guest room at the far corner of the house because he is in bed by 8 and up by 3 in the morning to get in his daily 10 mile run before getting to the hospital at 5am. The kids see him for maybe an hour a day (more like seeing him move through the house), and that's on the days he comes home. These days he comes home about 4 days a week in a good week and in a bad week, maybe only 2 nights a week. Family vacations are nightmares because he hates being there. He does not know how to slow down or sit still. He is literally almost incapable of it. The exception is when he goes drinking with his coworkers, most of whom are female nurses. And yes, I know things have happened around closed doors when things get a little out of hand. It's impossible to mistake the looks I get. He denies everything of course.

I would get a divorce but for my kids asking me not to. The one time I brought it up and asked how they would feel, my girls burst into tears. My husband does not want a divorce, he just does not want a wife. He does not want to be accountable to anyone. He's a surgeon, master of the universe. He does speaking engagements, he travels to conferences. Everyone looks up to him. He is God where he works. He does not want to come home these days and "just" be a regular old father or husband. He truly believes these days he is one step above normal men. He has told me "I could have any woman I want" implying I am no longer good enough for him. The only thing that keeps me going is the kids. My oldest sees what's going on. She sees that he does not call on Mother's Day or my birthday. She sees me cry.

I envy the wives of doctors who have posted here that at least they know their husband still loves them and that he does what he can. My husband can't even do that. He may come home, he may not. He may even say he'll be home and then change his mind without letting me know. He just turns his cell phone off and never shows up. And if I dare to say anything to him, he just asks me what do I have to complain about, he keeps me in this big house and the bills are paid, how dare I make any demands on him.

I do not know this man that I am married to. There is only one consolation in that I don't think he would leave me for another woman to start another family. He doesn't even want this one anymore.
posted by Anonymous at 5/14/2010 12:00:00 PM

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As the child of two doctor's, all I can say is NEVER underestimate the impact that absentee parenting has on the long term stability of your children. So many Christmases, Easters and New Year's spent at home waiting for your dad to reappear from the hospital, only to watch him fall fast asleep on the couch. So many parent functions with only one parent. My sister is six years younger than me and suffered from anorexia nervosa for fourteen years- the stress of my father's job and his absenteeism contributed directly to her sense of insecurity and unworthiness. Many years watching my mother single handedly raise the two of us, while she sacrificed her own medical career because someone had to be home with the children and as a GP she was second in command to the anesthetist. My parents marriage ended in divorce a few years back as my father became swept up in the money side of medicine and the Mercedes and the beach house became the most important tags of success in a long and exhausting career. My mother's first piece of advice was 'never be a doctor, never marry a doctor'. My husband works in business and leaves at 8.30 and is home predictably by 5.30. My son loves him to bits. I still don't really know who my own father is, other than his identity as 'The Doctor'. A word of warning to all of you out there: keep a careful eye on your children as your lifestyle is most definitely having more of an impact than you can imagine.
posted by Anonymous at 5/23/2010 10:22:00 PM

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I've been dating an Oncologist for 2 1/2 years now and we became engaged and moved in together 8 months ago. After we moved in together, I realized just how much he is not around. He gets home around 10 every night and sometimes it's even later. On the weekends, he's too exhausted to do anything together and just wants to sit around the house. I get in trouble if I do anything to disrupt his sleep -- I know this is important, but I am just needing some attention!

I put the wedding off because I'm seriously contemplating whether I can live this way. I have a good job and work hard and I can appreciate his hard work, but I want a partner in life...someone to go to dinner with or take walks with or just talk with about the day once in awhile. I feel like such a fool -- everyone is so impressed when they hear you're marrying a doctor, while all I’m seeing is a lonely future in front of me. I’ve tried to explain this to my mom and friends, but they just don’t get it….they think I’m lucky. I'm tormented because I love him; I love that man who used to have time and energy for me. I don't want anyone else, I just don't know how to make this work.
posted by Anonymous at 8/26/2010 05:06:00 PM

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Hi, I am not married to a medical doctor, but to a dentist. He has more time at home but is mostly emotionally unavailable. His office staff worships him. I cannot compete with that so I gave up. He does not need me. We live in small town and I get the,"Oh, how great you are married to a dentist, especially him, he is so great. You must be so happy!" Wow, they assume he is as engaged with me as he is the office staff and patients! We cannot have conflict, because, after all, he is perfect and I am just somehow defective from the cradle if I am not overjoyed at living in his reflective glow. I got tired of it and am on the path to a new career.
posted by Anonymous at 12/20/2010 08:10:00 PM

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Yep another lonely wife here, another night waiting for him to come home, our 5 month old son went to bed hours ago without seeing him, for the 5th night this week.
I remember having a 'crossroads' kind of crisis a few years ago when we were living overseas so he could do some specialist training, he was working extrememly long hours and I felt like I was looking 'down the barrel' of my future. I needed to decide if I wanted this life for myself and our kids, we talked alot about it, and the conclusion was the crazy hours wouldnt last forever. I'm now kicking myself for making the decision to stay, sure we have more than enough money, but I would give it all up to have my partner home and for him to know his son. I can't talk to anyone about this because no one can understand what i'm 'complaining' about, it has made life very lonely.
I'm a theatre nurse myself so I get what keeps them late and how long and complicated surgery can be, its just as others have said, the sad reality of being the support of these wonderful Doctors.
For any young women or men out there contempleting their future with a specialist surgeon (I dont have experience of other Doc's) I would take the decision to have family very seriously and follow your gut on this one. I have a beautiful son, who has given my life light and meaning but have made a huge sacrifice in the process.
posted by Anonymous at 10/12/2011 12:52:00 AM

[Timoteo]

Yep...they want a man that makes a certain salary, but that kind of money doesn't get handed out for nothing. You have to put in hours for it. They want what you provide, but don't support the effort a man must put in to earn it. If they had the ambition to make it themselves, as opposed to marrying it, they'd understand.

[Lothario]

I think Mixx said it in another thread "Women want everything and the shortcut to that is Marriage". They still aren't happy and want more more and more........... with no effort on their part.

I personally think it's Impossible to make a women Happy ....

[Samseau]

"Happy woman" = oxymoron

Love the total lack of gratitude these Doctor's wives have. A doctor works his ass off and is respected for it, but these women just seethe with envy. And yet, ironically, these Doctors, when young, are motivated by their LTR to keep working hard and put in all the hours...

[Basil Ransom]

Notice how the women, judging by Athlone's excerpts, rarely admit to any responsibility. When a man enters this situation, he is expected to have the mindset of, "I signed up for this, and I must bear the consequences of my decision." Anything less, he's a child and a fool. You don't really see that among the women here.

That quality of the sturdy mother, weathering the challenges of raising a family without her husband's constant help, is absent. Maybe it takes a certain kind of woman to enjoy being a doctor's wife, and these women aren't it. Instead, they swooned over his status and ignored the reality of life with a physician.

You could substitute 'badboy' for 'doctor' in some of these, and it'd read the same.

Also, some of the flaws with these marriages and men have little to do with him being a doctor. They crop up all the same among people of more modest backgrounds too.

[Cincinnatus]

Further proof that women are still unhappy even if they manage to tie down a somewhat alpha male.

If she decides to initiate divorce, of course it'll be his fault for not being there often enough, being emotionally unsupportive, blah, blah, blabbity blah... The doctor flirting with other women will probably qualify as "emotional abuse" in the modern court system, and a bunch of white knight police officers will boot him out of his own home.

[felipeelabogado]

Women are never happy. I am a Lawyer and have heard all the same shit from my wife. I worked for a firm and worked alot of hours, but made great money. We got the house, BMW, Boat, all the crap showing our success. Was the wife happy? Nope because I was never home, didn't spend enough time with the kids, didn't help around the house etc.. She was going to leave me because I was never there. So I said F- it started my own practice close to home,(which I wanted to do anyway) have lots of time, help around the house, take the kids to school, go to kids stuff, guess what happened? Since I am not making as much money as before (about half) wife is pissed. All I hear is we need money for this, for that, why aren't you making more money? The pool needs fixed, I need a new bimmer mine is old, the kitchen needs remodeled, where's the money, where's the money...arggghhh. I have boys who I am not ABOUT to let be raised by a single mom and feminized so I just ignore the complaining because logic is lost on women. Oh, and sex? HAHAHA forget about it. Food for thought for you youngsters.

[ccurtis189]

(01-15-2012 01:15 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

http://talesfromthecrib.blogspot.com/200...-wife.html

All I can do is smile.

These women played the game perfectly and snagged them a doctor, only to find out he's never at home and flirts with pretty nurses all day, while she's finding solace in junior's spelling practice.

"TO THE WOMAN WHO IS WORRIED ABOUT THE NURSE FLIRTING WITH THEIR HUSBAND. It unfortunatly goes with the territory. You should take it as a sign of pride that others are intrested in your man. "

"The problem is that I don't feel appreciated and I'm so lonely."

She doesn't don't like it? Then she needs to quit being a lazy bitch and get a job so her man doesn't have to work all the time to support her lazy entitled ass.

[iknowexactly]

(01-27-2012 12:18 PM)felipeelabogado Wrote:  

I have boys who I am not ABOUT to let be raised by a single mom and feminized so I just ignore the complaining because logic is lost on women. Oh, and sex? HAHAHA forget about it. Food for thought for you youngsters.

Whoa, you mean she never wants sex? Oh man , that's tragic... it sounds like she holds the kids as hostages to torment you.

[el mechanico]

(01-27-2012 12:18 PM)felipeelabogado Wrote:  

Women are never happy. I am a Lawyer and have heard all the same shit from my wife. I worked for a firm and worked alot of hours, but made great money. We got the house, BMW, Boat, all the crap showing our success. Was the wife happy? Nope because I was never home, didn't spend enough time with the kids, didn't help around the house etc.. She was going to leave me because I was never there. So I said F- it started my own practice close to home,(which I wanted to do anyway) have lots of time, help around the house, take the kids to school, go to kids stuff, guess what happened? Since I am not making as much money as before (about half) wife is pissed. All I hear is we need money for this, for that, why aren't you making more money? The pool needs fixed, I need a new bimmer mine is old, the kitchen needs remodeled, where's the money, where's the money...arggghhh. I have boys who I am not ABOUT to let be raised by a single mom and feminized so I just ignore the complaining because logic is lost on women. Oh, and sex? HAHAHA forget about it. Food for thought for you youngsters.

Some story....I see this all the time. How are your closets? Did she ask for custom built closets for her clothes and shoes yet? I lived with a girl once who tried to tell me the garage was for her stuff. Christmas decor and things not building motorcycles.

[ccurtis189]

(01-27-2012 12:18 PM)felipeelabogado Wrote:  

Women are never happy. I am a Lawyer and have heard all the same shit from my wife. I worked for a firm and worked alot of hours, but made great money. We got the house, BMW, Boat, all the crap showing our success. Was the wife happy? Nope because I was never home, didn't spend enough time with the kids, didn't help around the house etc.. She was going to leave me because I was never there. So I said F- it started my own practice close to home,(which I wanted to do anyway) have lots of time, help around the house, take the kids to school, go to kids stuff, guess what happened? Since I am not making as much money as before (about half) wife is pissed. All I hear is we need money for this, for that, why aren't you making more money? The pool needs fixed, I need a new bimmer mine is old, the kitchen needs remodeled, where's the money, where's the money...arggghhh. I have boys who I am not ABOUT to let be raised by a single mom and feminized so I just ignore the complaining because logic is lost on women. Oh, and sex? HAHAHA forget about it. Food for thought for you youngsters.

Sounds kinda like my mom.

Sounds like the only viable option here is to get married to someone who isn't so damn entitled, which probably cuts out a lot of American women.

[46.]

(01-15-2012 01:15 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

http://talesfromthecrib.blogspot.com/200...-wife.html

All I can do is smile.

These women played the game perfectly and snagged them a doctor, only to find out he's never at home and flirts with pretty nurses all day, while she's finding solace in junior's spelling practice.

Ha ha ha. And make things worse for those women (which they don't get because they're too busy counting their cash) is that the Doctors gave up YEARS of their lives in med school. I'd give my med school/residency friends free dibbs on joining up with me wherever I was out because they're on call and its tough to have a real life. My surgeon boy in the Bay Area once told me that he wanted to travel and do silly stuff because he felt he missed out.

A year after he told me this he got busted by his wife for hittin' the receptionist. (lol) His wife somehow forgave him and now they're building a massive-@ss house north of SF. He's still hitting the receptionist and looking for more...he'll eventually find his way to this site.

[Veloce]

Chefs should make that list.

During restaurant openings it's not uncommon to work 3 months straight, 12-16 hour days.

Yet girls perk up when they find out what I do. I laugh inside, knowing that any serious relationship I've attempted in the past falls to pieces for a number of reasons, but mostly because there's simply no time for that horseshit. That's why chefs typically date girls in the restaurant industry who understand the long hours. Hostesses are a beautiful thing: their job is to stand there and look pretty, and servers aren't bad either, especially since most of them in L.A. are aspiring actresses and models.

I'm not sure what their fantasy is...that I come home after 16 hours of handling garlic, cheese, and fish, and dealing with fuckwit high maintenance customers and clueless floor staff, and that I'll magically be in the mood to whip up some coq au vin over a candlelit dinner and swoop her off to bed...Chefs are probably the worst partners to choose (and also probably the worst career choice for anyone serious about PUA lifestyle.)

[TudoBem]

This is not a reflection on all doctors. It comes down to an alpha/beta thing.

I guarantee you the women who complain are married to betas.

I know many doctors, and most of them have shitty lives, but not because they are in the medical field, but because they lack the balls and motivation to make a change in their lives.

I know an eye surgeon who works no more than 4 days a week, no emergency call, has a private practice with 6 other doctors working for him, and he takes a 3 month vacation every year. I am guessing he clears well over a million a year.

I know a couple more dentists, a dermatologist, and a radiologist who have all done the same thing.

Its a universal truth, no matter how prestigious your professional field, if you don't have the balls to be creative and create value and profit from other people's work, you will be the bitch. You will have shitty hours and earn only a salary.

[Goldin Boy]

Quote:

Women are never happy. I am a Lawyer and have heard all the same shit from my wife. I worked for a firm and worked alot of hours, but made great money. We got the house, BMW, Boat, all the crap showing our success. Was the wife happy? Nope...

This. Q: What do women want? A: More. Chris says it better though:

[Gmac]

(01-27-2012 12:18 PM)felipeelabogado Wrote:  

Women are never happy. I am a Lawyer and have heard all the same shit from my wife. I worked for a firm and worked alot of hours, but made great money. We got the house, BMW, Boat, all the crap showing our success. Was the wife happy? Nope because I was never home, didn't spend enough time with the kids, didn't help around the house etc.. She was going to leave me because I was never there. So I said F- it started my own practice close to home,(which I wanted to do anyway) have lots of time, help around the house, take the kids to school, go to kids stuff, guess what happened? Since I am not making as much money as before (about half) wife is pissed. All I hear is we need money for this, for that, why aren't you making more money? The pool needs fixed, I need a new bimmer mine is old, the kitchen needs remodeled, where's the money, where's the money...arggghhh. I have boys who I am not ABOUT to let be raised by a single mom and feminized so I just ignore the complaining because logic is lost on women. Oh, and sex? HAHAHA forget about it. Food for thought for you youngsters.

These women make me sick.

Again, if I had the power I would round up all these women and send them to work the mines for the rest of their lives. Gmac for prez?

[Nonpareil]

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[Basil Ransom]

(02-25-2012 04:28 PM)Nonpareil Wrote:  

Women who date doctors aren't attracted to the doctors for the nobility of their job, their intelligence or even the money; those help, but what they're really attracted to is the idea of rubbing their friends noses in the fact that her boyfriend is a doctor...totally forgetting that in addition to being a very demanding profession, tons and tons of other women out there get out of bed every day in hopes of landing a doctor. I would definitely not be getting married if I was a doctor (but then again, I think to be a doctor you have to be a sort of do-what-society-demands type).

I said almost exactly this to my date last night. We got to talking about height and dating, and said how I was talking to some girl who insisted on men 6'0 or better. And she was 5'3"! I explained to my date that it's not really about the guy being taller than her - otherwise you'd see short girls dating short guys much more consistently. It's about proving that you're cute by snagging a tall man. You won over a high status guy, which really means a guy who has things associated with high status, like height and money. Therefore you, the girl, must be high status too. And now the jackpot is showing him off to your friends as proof that you are, in fact, superior to them.

The 5'3" girl is actually still trying to get with a 6'4" guy I know, who banged her but would never commit. Bitter, and still trying. Ironically, the 5'3" girl, when I asked her why she said she'd never date a warehouse worker, she said, "can you imagine telling your friends that your husband works in a warehouse?"

Women aren't out to impress men. They're out to impress other women. And they can be totally heartless about it.

[Nonpareil]

(02-25-2012 05:55 PM)basilransom Wrote:  

(02-25-2012 04:28 PM)Nonpareil Wrote:  

Women who date doctors aren't attracted to the doctors for the nobility of their job, their intelligence or even the money; those help, but what they're really attracted to is the idea of rubbing their friends noses in the fact that her boyfriend is a doctor...totally forgetting that in addition to being a very demanding profession, tons and tons of other women out there get out of bed every day in hopes of landing a doctor. I would definitely not be getting married if I was a doctor (but then again, I think to be a doctor you have to be a sort of do-what-society-demands type).

I said almost exactly this to my date last night. We got to talking about height and dating, and said how I was talking to some girl who insisted on men 6'0 or better. And she was 5'3"! I explained to my date that it's not really about the guy being taller than her - otherwise you'd see short girls dating short guys much more consistently. It's about proving that you're cute by snagging a tall man. You won over a high status guy, which really means a guy who has things associated with high status, like height and money. Therefore you, the girl, must be high status too. And now the jackpot is showing him off to your friends as proof that you are, in fact, superior to them.

The 5'3" girl is actually still trying to get with a 6'4" guy I know, who banged her but would never commit. Bitter, and still trying. Ironically, the 5'3" girl, when I asked her why she said she'd never date a warehouse worker, she said, "can you imagine telling your friends that your husband works in a warehouse?"

Women aren't out to impress men. They're out to impress other women. And they can be totally heartless about it.

And if your date agreed with you, I would call her again...if she denied it in some way, barring significant intangibles (money, connections, not only allows but requests anal) I would fuck her a few times and vanish off the face of the earth. The fact is that while men are capable of assessing their limitations as they age, women are not (hence why my own mother, an attractive woman for her age yes [meaning that she's not bloated to landwhale size and dresses nice], but 52 years old, still has a 473-point checklist, when it should be a 2-point checklist; is male, has a pulse).

Bitches be merciless, but some (not all, some) dudes are the same way; bagging the hot girl not because she's hot and it'd be a lot of fun to fuck her, but because they want to prove to their boys that they can get a hot girl, or getting jacked at the gym to impress their friends. I don't know where these guys heads are at, because everything I do, I do for myself.

[Excelsior]

(02-25-2012 05:55 PM)basilransom Wrote:  

I explained to my date that it's not really about the guy being taller than her - otherwise you'd see short girls dating short guys much more consistently. It's about proving that you're cute by snagging a tall man. You won over a high status guy, which really means a guy who has things associated with high status, like height and money. Therefore you, the girl, must be high status too. And now the jackpot is showing him off to your friends as proof that you are, in fact, superior to them.

The 5'3" girl is actually still trying to get with a 6'4" guy I know, who banged her but would never commit. Bitter, and still trying. Ironically, the 5'3" girl, when I asked her why she said she'd never date a warehouse worker, she said, "can you imagine telling your friends that your husband works in a warehouse?"

Women aren't out to impress men. They're out to impress other women. And they can be totally heartless about it.

Bingo. So few men understand that this reasoning is what guides the majority of female action. Women are creatures of the herd (read: other women, especially their group of friends). The herd s their highest authority. So crucial is the herd in the female mind that to be excommunicated from or looked down upon by the rest of the herd is almost akin to death-it is simply one of the worst things a woman can imagine.

She will go to very great lengths to avoid this fate. If that means lying (about sexual past, cheating, past pregnancies or relationships, family, or whatever else you can think of) or attacking another woman to protect herself (women are often more horrible/two-faced to each other in more devious ways than most men can imagine), then so be it. Nothing is worse than excommunication.

Of course, on the other hand, to be looked up to by the herd is the greatest possible reward a woman can receive. A woman will do almost anything to make this happen. Snagging a doctor or similarly high status male, as basil mentioned, makes this happen more effectively than almost anything else a woman can do. Thus, when such a male appears (one with enough status to instantly boost her into the envy of her peers), most women will be willing to do much more than expected to keep him.

Ever wondered why women (even "good" ones) seem to go the extra mile for certain high status guys (rock stars, celebrities, and other "super alphas", as Roissy would term them)? Sure, these men push attraction triggers, but that's not the meat of the cause. The real reason is status. Women behave the way they do around such men because they have the ability to give women what they want more than ANYTHING else: the envy of other women.

Any action she could take (no matter how degrading/slutty/shameful/etc it may seem outwardly) can easily be justified in her mind by the potential reward being with such a man can give her. The envy of her peers is almost invaluable.

A celebrity, due to his visibility, can give a woman more status and incite the envy of more females than almost any other man (even a non-famous, but still wealthy and good looking doctor/lawyer/etc). This is why these men tend to have the largest number of followers willing to do the largest number of crazy things sexually to attach themselves to them. Sure, they're attractive, but their ability to make other women jealous is the biggest prize here.

Understanding this as a male is key to the successful digestion of "the red pill". Women suddenly start to make a whole lot more sense once you are able to see the herd mentality that guides those little hamsters in their heads.

[Nonpareil]

Such a good post, McGinnis.

(02-25-2012 11:30 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

She will go to very great lengths to avoid this fate. If that means lying (about sexual past, cheating, past pregnancies or relationships, family, or whatever else you can think of) or attacking another woman to protect herself (women are often more horrible/two-faced to each other in more devious ways than most men can imagine), then so be it. Nothing is worse than excommunication.

It's so bad, like black plague bad. I speak about my worst enemies in gentler terms than women speak about their best friends in; I might not respect my opponent, but I at least can respect what they're capable of. Less than a year ago I was fucking a girl I met on transit who was with her friend...I won't bore you up with the details, but I was dressed sharp, reading a book and just on the ball, but whatever, and her and her friend were so affectionate and kind and open with each other.

I get this girl over to my place a few days later and guess what? I get to hear about how big of a whore her friend is, and how she was pregnant but had an abortion just a few months earlier. With barely any prompt from me, this chick unloads on the girl that was supposedly her friend, but of course when we all hung out later, everything was roses. Competition is not only fervent among women; it's outright cannibalistic.

I have been seeing this for a good twenty years now; even my sister, who I love, used to have a best friend who she was super tight with and one small altercation between them (over some Facebook bullshit) led to the one girl being ousted from the tribe...but of course she had allies, and she brought a camp with her, and the factions continue to wage war on each other to this day, and for what!? Some beef that's now four years old? There are no second chances with women (we're even kind of seeing this with Chris Brown; he beats Rihanna like three years ago, and the feminazis are still blowing up his spot about it; not that it was right [of course Rihanna will use her Pussy Pass to escape any and all blame for going back to him when he allegedly beat her], but Jesus...America was founded on the idea of everyone getting a second chance).

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Ever wondered why women (even "good" ones) seem to go the extra mile for certain high status guys (rock stars, celebrities, and other "super alphas", as Roissy would term them)? Sure, these men push attraction triggers, but that's not the meat of the cause. The real reason is status. Women behave the way they do around such men because they have the ability to give women what they want more than ANYTHING else: the envy of other women.

Bolded: What's that? 95% of the time the ones I think are good are the easiest to not only get into bed, but the easiest to get to do nasty shit. I'm always vexed when my family - my grandmother, my mom, my dad, my aunts and uncles - say I'll fall hard (and fall in line) when I find a good one, when not only were times different for them, but they, unlike me, aren't out there in the trenches every day dealing with the typical young girls of today, and their lies, their entitlement, their sluttiness, and their lack of character and decency.

But you are right though; a man with status, and any kind of status (he can be a crack dealer for all they care) will never have a problem scoring ass, and women will not only latch, but latch and try to appropriate some of that status.

Why does this happen? Because...despite what we're told every day through the media, women are not only incapable of greatness, but if they were, they would choose not to be great. And it's not like anyone can hate; it's biological and ingrained, far deeper than any culture can push it.

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A celebrity, due to his visibility, can give a woman more status and incite the envy of more females than almost any other man (even a non-famous, but still wealthy and good looking doctor/lawyer/etc). This is why these men tend to have the largest number of followers willing to do the largest number of crazy things sexually to attach themselves to them. Sure, they're attractive, but their ability to make other women jealous is the biggest prize here.

I can't help but wonder if in the 50's, were there a dozen magazines at the grocery checkout dedicated to informing you of which celebrity was fucking which. Celebrity worship, which is sickening and gross (if you ever meet one - and I'm not bragging - they're just normal people with the same problems normal people have), is the most odious byproduct of the gynocentric regime that's currently steering the west into into the ocean.

Even if you and your girl have been together for two years, you live together and you are very much in love, if she gets a shot at a famous actor and knows there's no chance you'll find out, she's going to take it.

[Seduction Sutra]

Then you can understand why women want to have sex with Robbie Williams and proceed to tell their boyfriends about it.

http://www.people.co.uk/archive/other/20...-17519967/

(02-25-2012 11:30 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

A celebrity, due to his visibility, can give a woman more status and incite the envy of more females than almost any other man (even a non-famous, but still wealthy and good looking doctor/lawyer/etc). This is why these men tend to have the largest number of followers willing to do the largest number of crazy things sexually to attach themselves to them. Sure, they're attractive, but their ability to make other women jealous is the biggest prize here.