[Conneray]

I have been fortunate enough to be raised in Southern California, I consider it a true blessing. Beautiful women here are in abundance and with decent game and decent looks, you can pull. There is so much to do here, so much to keep me healthy, and overall SO MUCH to keep me occupied and not waste too much time online.

For the past 2 weeks or so I went to go visit my cousin in Georgia. He does not live in Atlanta, in fact he lives in a small city there, where there isn't much to do at all. Saw the place and I have to say it is a mess, here is what I noticed:

1. Tons and tons and tons of Whales, seriously, they don't joke about the south having a high obesity rate.
2. Not much to do, in my 2 weeks there I gained about 8 lbs. In So cal I could easily burn it off because of the active lifestyle here, in GA? way harder! Place was pretty poor.
3. Not much variety, if you like Latinas or Asian girls say for instance, in most cases you are screwed, even though there are some there, they are in small numbers, at least outside of Atlanta.
4. Bad bad bad weather. One day it was 80 degrees, the next day it was like 50 degrees in the place, had me saying "wtf".


Now I understand my cousin's place is not the most desirable but here is the thing.

He is 19, hasn't kissed a girl before, has never f*cked before, has a bad sense of style, wears glasses with thick frames, isn't fat or overweight but isn't fit and athletic either, has never been on a date before, the school he went to he says had like 200 kids there or so.

Personally, even though I was fortunate enough to be raised in Southern California, I think my cousin is just whining. I mean it isn't like he is living in the middle east or anything.

Yes he will have to work harder to get laid and stuff, but is it a legit or fair excuse for a guy to blame his environment on his lack of success with women or just lack of success in general (diet, fitness, etc)?

[BadgerHut]

Not really.

http://badgerhut.wordpress.com/2011/12/2...your-game/

Everywhere in the world there are people, and people everywhere want to eat, drink, have fun and bone.

[Mr.GM]

(01-01-2012 05:12 AM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(01-01-2012 01:27 AM)MrIntermediate Wrote:  

I come from Southern California so my viewpoint may be a bit different.

For getting laid, Western Europe is 10x easier for a non-White male whether he be Asian or Brown or Black or Latin. I slept with 4 girls in a 2 week or so period along with enjoying the trip with my friends. This was in France.

Such an occurrence never happened to me in the US. Now when people think Southern Cal they think people here are ahead of the curve, boy such cannot be farther from the truth. I do notice I have little to no problems here being a Brown guy but I have dated girls who have turned down my Asian friends because my Asian friends were Asian. Yet these same Asian friends of mines were getting laid left to right in Sweden (they in fact did a lot better than I did).

In Southern Cal I have dated decent looking White women and THAT is what got me stares in some places. One guy at a restaurant yelled out "no good White men around!?". My Black friends have said the same thing about how when a White girl introduced them to her parents, all hell broke loose.

As for moving up economically and w/e, well ya the US wins but since we are talking about getting laid and stuff, here is how it works in the US from what I see it:

When a White man puts his finger on a woman of any race, the woman receives compliments and the White guy rarely receives any hate. When a non-White man dates an attractive White woman, people tend to stare and talk about it a lot.

Me?

I don't give a f*ck. I am gonna date the finest Black, Latin, Brunette, Redhead, Blonde, Asian, and mixed women every chance I get. Haters can suck it. But problem is there are gonna be a lot of haters, thank god it is becoming more and more common to see Latino dudes, Asian dudes, and Black dudes in So Cali rail fine looking White women, people have slowly started to see it as a norm.

The funny thing I've noticed is that during the times I'm walking around with an attractive white woman, it's Latinos who stare the hardest. In fact they just stare like crazy anytime I'm with any woman that's light skinned. I once was out with a light skinned Brazilian woman from the south of Brazil and Latinos were gazing. If the girl is blond, man do they really fucking stare. Sometimes I don't know if they're being haters or if they are just curious because they are interested in dating light skinned women themselves(as is common in Latin America) and it's just a naive curiosity to see a dark black man like me walking with a light skinned woman. I've also gotten some haters who were brothas. Making comments like "dayuuuum" out loud as we walked by. I'm not about to go getting in a fight over it, but it's just extra bullshit you have to put up with if I want to chill with any woman that's not black.

And also, when I see a black man walking with a fat ass ugly white/latin woman, I don't see ANYBODY staring at them. So it's totally a thing of thinking black men are not worthy of dating attractive white or Latin women. And just being haters.

(01-01-2012 02:40 PM)Conneray Wrote:  

I have been fortunate enough to be raised in Southern California, I consider it a true blessing. Beautiful women here are in abundance and with decent game and decent looks, you can pull. There is so much to do here, so much to keep me healthy, and overall SO MUCH to keep me occupied and not waste too much time online.

For the past 2 weeks or so I went to go visit my cousin in Georgia. He does not live in Atlanta, in fact he lives in a small city there, where there isn't much to do at all. Saw the place and I have to say it is a mess, here is what I noticed:

1. Tons and tons and tons of Whales, seriously, they don't joke about the south having a high obesity rate.
2. Not much to do, in my 2 weeks there I gained about 8 lbs. In So cal I could easily burn it off because of the active lifestyle here, in GA? way harder! Place was pretty poor.
3. Not much variety, if you like Latinas or Asian girls say for instance, in most cases you are screwed, even though there are some there, they are in small numbers, at least outside of Atlanta.
4. Bad bad bad weather. One day it was 80 degrees, the next day it was like 50 degrees in the place, had me saying "wtf".


Now I understand my cousin's place is not the most desirable but here is the thing.

He is 19, hasn't kissed a girl before, has never f*cked before, has a bad sense of style, wears glasses with thick frames, isn't fat or overweight but isn't fit and athletic either, has never been on a date before, the school he went to he says had like 200 kids there or so.

Personally, even though I was fortunate enough to be raised in Southern California, I think my cousin is just whining. I mean it isn't like he is living in the middle east or anything.

Yes he will have to work harder to get laid and stuff, but is it a legit or fair excuse for a guy to blame his environment on his lack of success with women or just lack of success in general (diet, fitness, etc)?

Off course you can have an easy ride or a bumpy one, depending on the conditions of the environment that you live in.
But its always up to you to make the best that you can.It's clear to me that your cousin is not giving it all to improve his results.

[Amour Fou]

Environment is definitely an influence, but not an excuse!

That is why you see many guys here going elsewhere for pussy... not only in matters of quality, but easiness as well. (Think Roosh in Poland, pulling girls left and right).

Culture can facilitate or make it harder to pull... that is my experience while living here in Hawaii, a considerably harder location to pull (for its many, various reasons I am still trying to grasp, culture playing big) than back home in Brazil, for example.

But again... obviously no excuse for not to putting an effort into it! Tell your cousin to take a grip, acquire better habits and maybe even move out, tell him to move with you to South California...

[Vitriol]

This is a fairly important issue that isn't only a matter of telling someone to get their ass in the gym or approach more. Your environment definitely DOES limit you. Often times the best thing you can do is put yourself in a position to move and never look back.

Think about what most of the USA is like: a bunch of suburban homes where the only places to go outside of your job or school are strip malls, McDonald's, Wal-Mart, etc. The only "night life" in a lot of these places is driving 10 or 15 miles to the one or two bars nearby, which becomes a huge liability for getting a DUI. It's literally a matter of going to work or school, then crashing in front of the TV for most Americans.

Pretty much all of the attractive females who haven't become single mothers are going to go off to college somewhere else or move to a bigger city. I remember in the area I grew up, if you saw an attractive female in a night venue, she was literally surrounded by like 3 or 4 dudes because it was so rare. No amount of game is going to overcome that logistical battle.

The bottom line is that if you live in bumfuck USA and aren't looking to settle down with a single mother and raise some other dude's kid (or at best get married to an average Americunt who will divorce you in a few years) you need to leave. There really isn't any other long term solution for a guy who wants to consistently pull high quality ass. Most of the USA simply does not offer the opportunities.

Conneray Wrote:

I have been fortunate enough to be raised in Southern California, I consider it a true blessing. Beautiful women here are in abundance and with decent game and decent looks, you can pull. There is so much to do here, so much to keep me healthy, and overall SO MUCH to keep me occupied and not waste too much time online.

You definitely have some environmental bias there. Trust me when I say that if you had been raised outside of one of the better metro areas in the country you would have little motivation to do much except move out. Why do you think so many of the guys who come on this forum from D.C. are trying to move or spend lots of time abroad? You can be rich with a ripped physique, but if the women around you suck and you have absolutely no motivation to game them or improve yourself because they're unattractive and have terrible personalities, then none of that matters in terms of pulling women. Make no mistake - your environment has a huge influence on every facet of your life.

[scotian]

YES! I've spent the last three years locked up in PUSSY PURGATORY!!!

I worked my ass off up in the oil sands at various refineries, and most of the time I stayed in these huge work camps, imagine being surrounded by rough tradesmen types everyday, 12-16 hours shifts. No booze, no partying, 95% men. I've shagged a couple chicks in these camps but they were nothing to write home about (trust me!), we have a rule up in camp, if you've been up north for more than 2 weeks, anything goes, no standards!!!

The most hard core stint I did was 8 months straight, 24 days on, 4 days off! On my days off I would drive the 7 hours to Edmonton, party HARD, get my skin then head back up north! You're like a caged animal, that lifestyle really does fuck with your head in ways I can't really explain, its weird!

I had some financial goals which I've since realised (Pay off all debts, buy a condo, invest a bit, etc) and now its time to "do me" and make up for all that time I DIDN'T get laid.

Man, I'm glad I'm not up there this winter, I probably would have went insane!

[Roosh]

Bad environment is definitely a legit excuse to complain about having to work harder than normal for success, but whatever environment you're stuck in, there's no excuse just to give up. I believe in making it work where you are, but bad environments will make success less frequent.

[Kish]

Read this : http://www.rooshv.com/how-important-is-i...-and-bleed

[Magnum]

Vitriol made allot of good points.If you are stuck in surburbia living a typical suburban life you will struggle.The mentality is just the total opposite of what you need.Suburban life dictates that you find a partner and raise the kids and pay off the mortgage.Sleeping around wont win you many friends in this environment.

You need to be in hip areas where people are free thinking and liberated.These areas will put you in proximity to the hottest girls who think nothing of fucking a new guy each month.Proximity is even more important than game IMO.You can have the best product in the world but if you cant get easy access to the right market your results will always be sub-optimal.

[Conneray]

Alright alright alright alright

-nods-

great advice, I guess being privileged has spoiled me a bit to the point I suffer from the Just World Fallacy

Ya I do agree environment matters a lot, in my cousin's case I will say it is nearly everything. See he also had aspirations of going to Harvard but he had no help at all from his environment and it was not much he could do to pad up his resume. While my immigrant family become more lenient, his was strict and kind of stupid in raising him (not letting him work out often, feeding him food high in carbs and low in protein, and buying a house in a torn down urban district).

Now here is his condition currently

1. Mom and dad decided his major, he did not do as well in it but now he has grown a backbone and told them to piss off, he is going to major in what he likes. He has a 2.7 GPA after three semesters as a college student.

2. He is not fit but not fat, he is inbetween, working on improving his looks. Has told me I can post his pics if you guys need them to give him some pointers on his looks and style.

3. He has been given 1 YEAR to move out. If he makes A's from now on out he can pull his GPA up and move away for college, I think this will do him wonders.

I also talked to him about environment and I visited the place he lives in, quite honestly this is all I saw

1. Whales and lots of em
2. A lot of the women are "ghetto" as most would describe it, the way they dress, act, and talk. Many are aggressive and will punch a guy in the face and jump him if needed.
3. A lot of the good looking girls live like a county which is 3 miles away from his but many are conservative and such

Now since he has a year to get out, I have suggested he do the following, what do you guys have to say?

1. Focus on academics a lot, get the best grades possible.
2. Focus on getting a good body and the best body he can get within that year time, do a lot of workouts, work his abs and such. Basically he has lost 35 lbs so far but the issue is he has some fat on his chest and abs still left over which I believe he would be best off burning off.
3. Get involved on campus and start developing his social skills. I think his are fine but he should try to max out.
4. Forget about getting into relationships for that whole year, no flirting, no nothing, if signs are there then attack but other than that do not even think about banging or anything, just work on grades, social skills and a good body.

That is plan I have formulated for him, what do you have to say?

[Conneray]

(01-01-2012 04:58 PM)Magnum Wrote:  

Vitriol made allot of good points.If you are stuck in surburbia living a typical suburban life you will struggle.The mentality is just the total opposite of what you need.Suburban life dictates that you find a partner and raise the kids and pay off the mortgage.Sleeping around wont win you many friends in this environment.

You need to be in hip areas where people are free thinking and liberated.These areas will put you in proximity to the hottest girls who think nothing of fucking a new guy each month.Proximity is even more important than game IMO.You can have the best product in the world but if you cant get easy access to the right market your results will always be sub-optimal.

Well see he isn't in the suburbs necessarily. He is in basically a neighborhood full of retired old people which is not too far away from a ghetto. His biggest issue MIGHT be living at home. I think the main problem comes in with the fact that he lives with his parents and there aren't many people his age group there.

Actually the fun is IN THE SUBURBAN areas where there are TONS of kids his age group. The guy lives in an area where there is literally no one his age and tons of old retired people.

Many of his classmates live in the better suburban district....

[Mr.GM]

It seems a pretty decent plan,but he should start approaching at every possible opportunity, he doesn't need to wait till he reaches his "best form" to practice game.

[scotian]

(01-01-2012 05:11 PM)Conneray Wrote:  

Alright alright alright alright

-nods-

great advice, I guess being privileged has spoiled me a bit to the point I suffer from the Just World Fallacy

Ya I do agree environment matters a lot, in my cousin's case I will say it is nearly everything. See he also had aspirations of going to Harvard but he had no help at all from his environment and it was not much he could do to pad up his resume. While my immigrant family become more lenient, his was strict and kind of stupid in raising him (not letting him work out often, feeding him food high in carbs and low in protein, and buying a house in a torn down urban district).

Now here is his condition currently

1. Mom and dad decided his major, he did not do as well in it but now he has grown a backbone and told them to piss off, he is going to major in what he likes. He has a 2.7 GPA after three semesters as a college student.

2. He is not fit but not fat, he is inbetween, working on improving his looks. Has told me I can post his pics if you guys need them to give him some pointers on his looks and style.

3. He has been given 1 YEAR to move out. If he makes A's from now on out he can pull his GPA up and move away for college, I think this will do him wonders.

I also talked to him about environment and I visited the place he lives in, quite honestly this is all I saw

1. Whales and lots of em
2. A lot of the women are "ghetto" as most would describe it, the way they dress, act, and talk. Many are aggressive and will punch a guy in the face and jump him if needed.
3. A lot of the good looking girls live like a county which is 3 miles away from his but many are conservative and such

Now since he has a year to get out, I have suggested he do the following, what do you guys have to say?

1. Focus on academics a lot, get the best grades possible.
2. Focus on getting a good body and the best body he can get within that year time, do a lot of workouts, work his abs and such. Basically he has lost 35 lbs so far but the issue is he has some fat on his chest and abs still left over which I believe he would be best off burning off.
3. Get involved on campus and start developing his social skills. I think his are fine but he should try to max out.
4. Forget about getting into relationships for that whole year, no flirting, no nothing, if signs are there then attack but other than that do not even think about banging or anything, just work on grades, social skills and a good body.

That is plan I have formulated for him, what do you have to say?

How are his social skills, is he shy or introverted? Can he carry a decent conversation, is he afraid of speaking in public, can he tell a good story?

This is HUGE when it comes to getting laid, its how I manage to pull, I"m a natural talker and feel sorry for guys who just don't or can't engage others in a social setting.

One good way to overcome this fear that I know of is "Toastmasters International", I've never joined but this is one of many options for a guy to become more talkative also a good way to meet others. Another one is drama clubs, you say he's a student, does his college have a drama club? This is an awesome way to meet girls and if you can do acting, ESPECIALLY IMPROV type stuff, you'll pull, no problem.

[Conneray]

(01-01-2012 05:22 PM)Mr.GM Wrote:  

It seems a pretty decent plan,but he should start approaching at every possible opportunity, he doesn't need to wait till he reaches his "best form" to practice game.

I would post his pics on here if allowed, he says he is okay with it. He has told me he is not the best looking guy according to a lot of people and his self esteem used to be so low he asked people online to rate him (yahoo answers), got low ratings.

Roosh

You were a virgin in high school!?

WOW, odd. I was told players usually start very young but man, GOOD JOB. I was a high school virgin too, felt bad, lots of good looking women back then......

[Conneray]

(01-01-2012 05:23 PM)scotian Wrote:  

(01-01-2012 05:11 PM)Conneray Wrote:  

Alright alright alright alright

-nods-

great advice, I guess being privileged has spoiled me a bit to the point I suffer from the Just World Fallacy

Ya I do agree environment matters a lot, in my cousin's case I will say it is nearly everything. See he also had aspirations of going to Harvard but he had no help at all from his environment and it was not much he could do to pad up his resume. While my immigrant family become more lenient, his was strict and kind of stupid in raising him (not letting him work out often, feeding him food high in carbs and low in protein, and buying a house in a torn down urban district).

Now here is his condition currently

1. Mom and dad decided his major, he did not do as well in it but now he has grown a backbone and told them to piss off, he is going to major in what he likes. He has a 2.7 GPA after three semesters as a college student.

2. He is not fit but not fat, he is inbetween, working on improving his looks. Has told me I can post his pics if you guys need them to give him some pointers on his looks and style.

3. He has been given 1 YEAR to move out. If he makes A's from now on out he can pull his GPA up and move away for college, I think this will do him wonders.

I also talked to him about environment and I visited the place he lives in, quite honestly this is all I saw

1. Whales and lots of em
2. A lot of the women are "ghetto" as most would describe it, the way they dress, act, and talk. Many are aggressive and will punch a guy in the face and jump him if needed.
3. A lot of the good looking girls live like a county which is 3 miles away from his but many are conservative and such

Now since he has a year to get out, I have suggested he do the following, what do you guys have to say?

1. Focus on academics a lot, get the best grades possible.
2. Focus on getting a good body and the best body he can get within that year time, do a lot of workouts, work his abs and such. Basically he has lost 35 lbs so far but the issue is he has some fat on his chest and abs still left over which I believe he would be best off burning off.
3. Get involved on campus and start developing his social skills. I think his are fine but he should try to max out.
4. Forget about getting into relationships for that whole year, no flirting, no nothing, if signs are there then attack but other than that do not even think about banging or anything, just work on grades, social skills and a good body.

That is plan I have formulated for him, what do you have to say?

How are his social skills, is he shy or introverted? Can he carry a decent conversation, is he afraid of speaking in public, can he tell a good story?

This is HUGE when it comes to getting laid, its how I manage to pull, I"m a natural talker and feel sorry for guys who just don't or can't engage others in a social setting.

One good way to overcome this fear that I know of is "Toastmasters International", I've never joined but this is one of many options for a guy to become more talkative also a good way to meet others. Another one is drama clubs, you say he's a student, does his college have a drama club? This is an awesome way to meet girls and if you can do acting, ESPECIALLY IMPROV type stuff, you'll pull, no problem.

Social skills?

EXCELLENT in my opinion. He can carry a conversation about ANYTHING with ANYONE. I mean he can talk about careers, history, current events, life, and a lot of stuff. He reads a lot about what is going on and he does post on a bodybuilding forum (mainly for bodybuilding advice).

Thing is he is not that good looking in his opinion and I don't judge dudes by looks but he has asked people to rate him and it has ended in a disaster. Has hurt his self esteem, maybe he is just bad at taking photos.

But he can talk to people for hours and hours and keep them interested in his conversation. I mean he can talk to people from the ghetto to people from the suburbs.

Problem is mainly he is not getting a chance to put himself out there.

Edit: I am gonna be out for a few hours or so, will come back to check replies later on tonight.

[iknowexactly]

get out of brain-dead Florida or wherever this is. What good is a "six-pack" if you're in a whale farm?
Being around ghetto ppl as you describe lowers the bar so much due to their negative, violence-prone dimwittedness and inability to proactively plan.

[scotian]

Conneray, sounds like your cuz just needs some fine tuning man, tell him not to sweat it too bad. Everyone gets down on themselves about their physical appearance, we're all insecure in some ways, its normal!

Try to convince him to move away from home to a cooler city with better women, why don't you get him to move to where you're from? Does he have the money to travel? Convince him to distance himself from his parents, physically and emotionally, clinging to mommy's apron strings won't help any young man.

Sometimes a major change in environment is all a guy really needs, as I said in other posts, I spend a lot of time in a god forsaken shit hole of a town called Fort McMurray, Canada. That place is a very difficult city to live in for me because I'm used to living in cities with culture, vibrant nightlife and fine women (theres some hotties in the Mac for sure, but women literally are a minority there, probably 60/40). I need to get the fuck out once in awhile, preferably to a place thats as different than there as possible, Jamaica worked for me!

Also, being "different", from somewhere else can score you major points. When I'm rapping to women in Florida, one of the first things they say is "wheres your accent from?", instant ice breaker and something to talk about! Your cousin would do well in Canada with the Georgia accent dude!

[misterstir]

Actually if you were in Iran, Lebanon or Turkey, you'd be seeing alot more hot women and possibly banging them. No murka whales there.

I can say toronto is very shitty place to get women, and the fact that men out number women by as much as 10-30% depending on your age just shows that it can be difficult for you. Of course its no excuse to give up and not fuck, but if you keep your standards high, you're gonna wait before you fuck

[Conneray]

Scotian, we can't have him stay with us. I can BARELY pay for myself and my parents do not want any more kids to be living with them, they said they were happy when I left.

I am not saying he should get fit for local women but more so that when moves to a new place, people have a new view of him, get what I am going?

[OGNorCal707]

I haven't read through this whole thread, but I will say one thing that sucks about small towns is that there are only so many fish in the pond if you know what I mean. When you factor in all the fatties, fuglies, stupid bitches, girls with boyfriend, etc. it can leave a small number of highly sought after women, and there will be a lot of competition, etc.

I experience this shit on a weekly basis, when I go to the same few bars and see the same people week after week. Recently what's been a headache is dealing with banging ex-GF's of friends and acquaintances and having girls want my nuts, but they've already fucked a couple of my friends. Not to mention all my ex-GF's friends are hot, but due to our messy break up, and her being a psycho pathological lying bitch, I don't really want to attempt spitting game at any of them.

In other words, small towns equal limited options, sausage fests, competition, and drama. Living in a bigger town or city (esp. a bigger college town like Madison, WI, or Athens, GA, or cool city like L.A. or Austin) will really open up your options and ability to game. You won't ever deal with bullshit like running into ex's every weekend, or competing with friends over the same few girls, or dealing with drama because you fucked a friend's ex or whatever.

[Conneray]

(01-01-2012 07:47 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  

I haven't read through this whole thread, but I will say one thing that sucks about small towns is that there are only so many fish in the pond if you know what I mean. When you factor in all the fatties, fuglies, stupid bitches, girls with boyfriend, etc. it can leave a small number of highly sought after women, and there will be a lot of competition, etc.

I experience this shit on a weekly basis, when I go to the same few bars and see the same people week after week. Recently what's been a headache is dealing with banging ex-GF's of friends and acquaintances and having girls want my nuts, but they've already fucked a couple of my friends. Not to mention all my ex-GF's friends are hot, but due to our messy break up, and her being a psycho pathological lying bitch, I don't really want to attempt spitting game at any of them.

In other words, small towns equal limited options, sausage fests, competition, and drama. Living in a bigger town or city (esp. a bigger college town like Madison, WI, or Athens, GA, or cool city like L.A. or Austin) will really open up your options and ability to game. You won't ever deal with bullshit like running into ex's every weekend, or competing with friends over the same few girls, or dealing with drama because you fucked a friend's ex or whatever.

if my cousin can get his act together, that is where he should be in 2013 for his final three semesters of college

[Conneray]

I won't post any pictures but my cousin decided to share this with me, this is a poll he posted on a site like a few months ago, these were the results. He asked people to rate him (call it low self esteem but he has no way of knowing how he looks, personally he says he thinks he looks good and alright but these are how the results came out to be). He said he voted himself an 8 lol.

Now I tell him he needs to learn game but I am sure looks matter somewhat (I don't want to get into too much of an argument here about this).

What can you probably infer from that?

[blurb]

(01-01-2012 04:05 PM)Vitriol Wrote:  

This is a fairly important issue that isn't only a matter of telling someone to get their ass in the gym or approach more. Your environment definitely DOES limit you. Often times the best thing you can do is put yourself in a position to move and never look back.

Think about what most of the USA is like: a bunch of suburban homes where the only places to go outside of your job or school are strip malls, McDonald's, Wal-Mart, etc. The only "night life" in a lot of these places is driving 10 or 15 miles to the one or two bars nearby, which becomes a huge liability for getting a DUI. It's literally a matter of going to work or school, then crashing in front of the TV for most Americans.

Pretty much all of the attractive females who haven't become single mothers are going to go off to college somewhere else or move to a bigger city. I remember in the area I grew up, if you saw an attractive female in a night venue, she was literally surrounded by like 3 or 4 dudes because it was so rare. No amount of game is going to overcome that logistical battle.

The bottom line is that if you live in bumfuck USA and aren't looking to settle down with a single mother and raise some other dude's kid (or at best get married to an average Americunt who will divorce you in a few years) you need to leave. There really isn't any other long term solution for a guy who wants to consistently pull high quality ass. Most of the USA simply does not offer the opportunities.

Conneray Wrote:

I have been fortunate enough to be raised in Southern California, I consider it a true blessing. Beautiful women here are in abundance and with decent game and decent looks, you can pull. There is so much to do here, so much to keep me healthy, and overall SO MUCH to keep me occupied and not waste too much time online.

You definitely have some environmental bias there. Trust me when I say that if you had been raised outside of one of the better metro areas in the country you would have little motivation to do much except move out. Why do you think so many of the guys who come on this forum from D.C. are trying to move or spend lots of time abroad? You can be rich with a ripped physique, but if the women around you suck and you have absolutely no motivation to game them or improve yourself because they're unattractive and have terrible personalities, then none of that matters in terms of pulling women. Make no mistake - your environment has a huge influence on every facet of your life.

Vitriol, man, you deserve some rep points for your spot-on analysis of American culture.

This may be heresy, be I would rather be in D.C. than where I live now, and, yes, I have been in D.C. before. I always chuckle to myself whenever I hear guys talking about how southern country women are supposedly better. Boy, are you guys going to be in for a surprise if you actually travel to the South!

At least D.C. has bars and clubs. There is no bar and club culture in the South. Wanna drink and hang out with friends? Well, there's no bars or clubs around so you'll have to buy alcohol at the grocery store and meetup with friends somewhere else. Also, you better hope it's not Sunday, because in some states such as Georgia, you're not allowed to buy alcohol on Sundays.

[scorpio]

On the flipside, you can say that a tough environment could help improve a guy's game.

I recently visited New England, a land of ugly girls. If you can game the few good-looking chicks there, it only makes you better.

Or if you have to deal with really bitchy women on a consistent basis, that only helps you tighten your game. If you rise to the challenge.

[CJ]

Bad environment certainly can be a factor, but it's a really flimsy excuse. You either need to start working harder, or relocate. At 19, there's no reason why your cousin can't go someplace else.