Quote: (12-30-2011 04:17 AM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:
I'm not worried at all, and there are several reasons why. I'll outline them point-by-point.
1. Look at what's already been done-is it really that bad?
Be honest-are women that horrible throughout the west? We all agree that places like DC, Miami, and Toronto are rough, but what about other parts of the west?
Even in America, you can find large pockets of fit, sane, friendly, and feminine women if you just leave the main big city offenders up in the northeast (look at MiXX's recent report on Dallas). Same thing in Canada once you escape Toronto (scotian says that "Canadian women are very much DTF and love to have a good time", while Montreal gets praised here consistently, despite Quebec being second only to Scandinavia for the sheer influence feminism has had there). In spite of the modern feminist programming and attitude we complain about, cool women exist, and in some places are even the norm!
Europe is even better (lower obesity and, as I wrote about in a guest post, potentially less hostile forms of feminism). Places like Sweden are crawling with fit, attractive women, and that nation is arguably the world's most feminist friendly. The place has its issues, but plenty of guys (as rudebwoy indicated above me) go there and still have a great time with quality women (wifey material, even). I've heard similarly positive reports from American guys in places like France and even Germany. The situation in many parts of western Europe when it comes to attaining a quality girl is far from hopeless.
If the homelands of said westernization can still have so many quality women, what does that tell you about the rest of the world?
2. Feminism in its modern form is simply unsustainable.
Those who fully adhere to the tenets of this ideology today face several problems.
a) Low fertility rates. The closer a woman's ties to modern third-wave feminism, the less likely it appears that she will reproduce herself, at least here in the US. Those more distant from the movement (more conservative and religous populations) are, conversely, reproducing the most. The most loyal foot-soldiers of this movement are urban, liberal whites. These people simply do not reproduce themselves, and sport some of the lowest fertility rates of any demographic. They're already wiping themselves out.
I suspect that their failure to reproduce may not bode well for the persistence of their ideology, especially with their polar opposites multiplying so rapidly.
b) Female unhappiness. Women who have bought the feminist card are apparently not all that happy. They're succeeding financially, surpassing men now even, only to regret their lack of a family/mate (things that their adherence to modern feminist ideology often precluded). They're finding that they don't actually want to work like men forever, and that they do want to be mothers even if it comes at the expense of career progression. They're finding men even more unlikely to commit than they were before, since they've made sex so cheap and abundant (as sex-positive feminists have encouraged them to do), thus inadvertently giving men an upper-hand in the modern mating game.
Most importantly, they're finding out that life is not actually like Sex and the City, where you can ride the cock-carousel until your mid-30's and still somehow snag Mr. Big once you've "had your fun" and "found yourself". In real life, Mr. Big either pumps and dumps you or just ignores you altogether for another (usually younger) woman, leaving you a) alone and b) regretting waiting this long and passing up other romantic opportunities before. Much of the time, women find themselves unable to even locate "Mr. Right" at all. They're settling more and more. Women are not happy with this.
The younger generation of women is watching this feminist dream come crashing down along with many of the promises it made-don't count on all of these young girls signing up to go down the same path as their predecessors.
3. Cultural differences will prevent worst-case scenarios (read: Toronto or D.C.) from repeating themselves in many places. In fact, they've already done so.
People must be careful not to confuse themselves about where our current issues came from. Men have to acquiesce to their emasculation before it happens, and allow for some of the more negative aspects of our modern society (ex: no fault divorce/modern family laws, etc) to come into being.
Many western men have done this, especially in the cities. Don't count on men elsewhere all uniformly following suit (Case in point: Japan, a surprisingly patriarchal land in spite of its wealth). Many simply will not put up with it, and women in these places who insist on this will simply find themselves alone. Some of the nauseating things that white knights/betas/manginas in western nations pull could get you killed (or, at the least, beaten rather harshly) in a place like Jamaica, and I doubt that island is an exception. It'll be a cold day in hell before men in these places simply let their women step all over them like that.
4. To quote Aliblahba above me: "As long as you have what women desire this perceived problem will not pertain to you."
This will always remain true. Quality follows quality. If you're a worthy man, you'll be able to find worthy women, even in the most "ruined" parts of the west. Game can be a powerful weapon for you if you want to make sure this happens.
It is true that some things are changing. Foreigners are no longer a novelty in many places. You'll no longer always be able to just swoop in on a jet and charm the panties off of random foreign stunners without being able to speak the language in many places. These women will start being a little more selective as they become more knowledgeable and less desperate.
This does not, however, mean that these places are necessarily ruined. If easy, quick and abundant lays are your goal, then sure, perhaps you'll be troubled, but if you look beyond this idea there will still be plenty of opportunity. There are still plenty of attractive, fit, feminine and quality women in places like Russia, Ukraine, Latvia, and Colombia, more than you'll be used to if you're from many parts of the USA and the UK.
Take weight as an example: There is no evidence, for example, of women in these places and in many developed nations around the world becoming as obese as what you'll see in the USA. Even the UK and Canada, America's closest global relations, can't pull this off. That should tell you something. The women have become choosier and less desperate in many parts of the world, but they're not blowing up like balloons and behaving as though femininity is a disease. The spread of third wave feminism and other western diseases has not destroyed quality women elsewhere, even within many parts of the west itself.
Foreign women may become more discerning as the world becomes more interconnected, living standards rise and wariness of sex tourism increases, but that doesn't mean they will necessarily be ruined.
Bottomline: Decreasing instances of women falling into one's lap with no effort =/= decrease in quality. The sky is not falling, guys.
All due respect Athlone, this is mostly nonsense. Travel more and your tune will change.
Western women are lower than dog shit. There is no debate, no middle ground, no compromise. You can analyze, beg, plea or try to rationalise as much as you like, its not going to change. They are oxygen thieves and 90% of them are absolute cunts.
This is a cultural decline and its an epidemic. Every single western, anglo nation is going through it. Most western european countries are going through it. We went beyond tipping point years ago and there is no going back now.
Over the years I have realised a few things can change a place.
1) Prosperity. I have always said on this forum that guys who traveled rarely understood that being foreign inferred status. Not status because of your nationality, status because of the perceived wealth you had. Even if you were slumming it, the potential was there that she could worm her way into a better life. Compared to most of the guys she was running into, you were a better option. This is not the case anymore and in places like Brazil, Eastern Europe and Moscow, women have more options. Options with men who share their culture and can provide for them.
2) Hordes. When the Turkish and Italian whoremongers invade, we start to have problems. When the western whoremongers arrive, its 10 times worse because it helps the local women understand how terrible the women must be back home if you need to get on a plane to fuck whores. Businessmen for years have been banging hookers and its part of the game for them. Its how business is done in some places. These traveling whoremongers though are a different beast, because I am seeing more and more instances of what appears to be men traveling specifically to PAY FOR SEX. Even the Latin American, Eastern European/Russian and Asian whoring culture finds the behavior incredibly odd and in many ways perverse.
3) Western media. Make no mistake, America is educating the world now. The filth that you guys produce is being broadcast in every language on the planet. It often inspires local versions using local actors. Internet access and cheaper TV is exposing impressionable women to this nonsense.
4) Liberalism. As soon as a country starts to move away from its conservative routes, it heads down his path. Eventually feminism kicks in and its a downward spiral. Again, the liberal experiments only come when prosperity does because it requires other peoples money to function. As people start to reject their traditions, cultures and ancestry, they move towards crap like feminism. Like you are seeing in places like Brazil now. Once feminism kicks in, its a slippery slope.
5) Internet. Its just too easy for lonely western fags to contact foreign women through social media and dating websites now I think. I think these women are getting hammered by guys living their online fantasies or those looking for a wife 30 years younger and 60 kilos lighter than they are.
Now the greater all of these factors, the worse it is for men. The worst thing is that almost all of it, bar the issues related to prosperity, all reflect badly on western men. Western media demonises men and raises the women onto pedestals, which is then confirmed by the online losers, druken hordes and the sex tourists. Throw into the mix feminism, which teaches them that they are oppressed and need to be independent and you have what is a four pronged assault.
Whats the solution?
Tier 2 and Tier 3 cities in countries which are hard to travel to. The days of a budget airline flight to pussy paradise are quickly coming to a close. You are going to have more options in any Eastern European country for example, but Kiev now is not going to be what it was in the 90's. People forget though that in the 90's it was a nightmare to travel there. Direct flights were rare, you had to speak Russian, visas were complex, it was far more dangerous. The reason why it was easy was because in the 90's it was off the beaten track. Its time to start finding new frontiers guys and there are plenty of places left.
Also just be patient. The whole deck of cards is going to come crashing down quite soon. This fucked up liberal experiment has driven countries broke and we have a massive sovereign debt crisis looming. Not to mention potential conflict in some places. The shit is going to hit the fan soon and when money dries up legs start to open again.
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