[Vaun]

(10-21-2013 08:42 AM)reaper23 Wrote:  

(10-20-2013 08:20 PM)puckman Wrote:  

(10-20-2013 06:42 PM)reaper23 Wrote:  

but seriously, what good is it if the "crossfit games" require training that isn't crossfit?

isnt that selling a bill of goods to the general uneducated public that drops $250/mo on box dues?

I dont think so, its always been this way. Since the '08 Games people mostly have been training outside of 'main page.' Its not like its pre-meditated, I have literally watched it get here since 2005 from inside boxes, at the games, etc. Yes there is a marketing aspect to putting Froning front and center, but Crossfit has always put its finest athletes, from the earliest games, front and center, because frankly they are bad ass attractive people. Dont think its a bait and switch, but I do think the functional piece should be promoted more and can be explained more. Thats what the Crossfit Journal is for, but that doesnt get quite the coverage like the sensationalist and sexy stuff.

but the games are meant to promote crossfit

and promote crossfit they do

except to be like those guys in the games, you can't (just) do crossfit

you can't tell me that the enrollment pop boxes get post Games coverage isnt from people thinking, I want to be like that, so I should do xfit.

true, and that gets to my comment about promoting the functionality of the program over the feats of strength and aesthetics. When I started it was all about your Fran time and Total, the games was nearly nonexistent, and it had a sort of hidden mystique of military/LEO doing it. Back then most of the guys in the gym were that too, it had a very cool and functional appeal, plus I came from bicycle racing and was sick of training 15 hours a week.

People come in the gym wanting to do what they see Games athletes do, but if they train regularly, they easily can, just not 5 WOD's in a day worth.

[Duke Castile]

I was being paid as the main sparring partner for a guy that was fighting for the UFC title. We were living at the MusclePharm compound in Denver. In there. besides having all sorts of ridiculous equipment (underwater treadmill, hyperbaric chamber) I was put in a machine that supposedly measured all sorts of body content, including body fat.

My numbers actually came up less than 5%. I don't know how accurate that is. Thats just what some hi tech machine said.

I will say that I've been in some sort of fitness routine my whole life. Even as a kid my dad had me running and doing sprints and where I grew up, loading firewood was a daily chore.

Again, I am only talking when I train consistently and for an extended period. Normally I walk around at less than 10 (I think).

edit -Also never done any PED but I'm thinking of taking HGH. MikeCF, what are your thoughts on jintropin? A guy just said he can get me a kit for 500 that will last a few months. Based on your other posts, sounds like it could be BS

also I'm about 6'3. I could never go to a Mr. Olympia...I have skinny calves no matter what I do ;(

[Duke Castile]

delete

[MikeCF]

^ That is freakish genetics.

Have you tried monetizing your body? Do online training or consultations or something?

There's a lot more money in the fitness space that in online game/travel....

$500 for a kit of generic hgh from China could be legit, or not. It's not going to be pharm grade.

But there was a time when the generic kits treated guys well.

Generic kits are called "red tops," "blue tops," "green tops," etc., for the tops of the bottles. (You pop off a plastic top to reveal the plastic stopper.)

The generic stuff just comes in a plastic container, no labels or anything

But, again, it's hit or miss. So it's not like it's all bunk.

Anyhow, at those prices, it's not going to be name brand gh.

With this stuff, you always want a "canary in the coal mine." Who ran it first? Did his body noticeably change? Did he skin improve (gh skin takes on a glow), he look more youthful, nagging injuries heal?

Otherwise it's a total gamble.

[AntiTrace]

So are you guys saying that I can't expect to get bigger doing Xfit. I gained about 10 lbs from the last 6 months in the gym (went through periods of not being able to work out for a week or so and having a shitty diet due to work, I was hoping for more gains) and am joing a Xfit gym here in a few weeks. I have to do the beginner classes which are only 2-3 times per week for 3 weeks. After that I'll be training 5x a week, eventually working up to a few two a days if I can fit it in.

I know I'm going to lose fat weight from the high intensity but I don't want my muscle growth to stagnate

[WanderingSoul]

Mike,

What is bunk gh? Is it just saline solution or something that isn't harmful? Or do people often get sick from a bad kit?

[WanderingSoul]

(10-22-2013 07:10 AM)AntiTrace Wrote:  

So are you guys saying that I can't expect to get bigger doing Xfit. I gained about 10 lbs from the last 6 months in the gym (went through periods of not being able to work out for a week or so and having a shitty diet due to work, I was hoping for more gains) and am joing a Xfit gym here in a few weeks. I have to do the beginner classes which are only 2-3 times per week for 3 weeks. After that I'll be training 5x a week, eventually working up to a few two a days if I can fit it in.

I know I'm going to lose fat weight from the high intensity but I don't want my muscle growth to stagnate

You can get bigger doing anything if you eat more calories than you burn.

XFit isn't ideal for building strength and muscle, because that isn't it's main focus.

Most people will build strength and muscle if they are not strong and built already, but if that is your main goal then there are quicker and more efficient ways to go about it.

[reaper23]

(10-22-2013 02:29 AM)Fisto Wrote:  

I was being paid as the main sparring partner for a guy that was fighting for the UFC title. We were living at the MusclePharm compound in Denver. In there. besides having all sorts of ridiculous equipment (underwater treadmill, hyperbaric chamber) I was put in a machine that supposedly measured all sorts of body content, including body fat.

My numbers actually came up less than 5%. I don't know how accurate that is. Thats just what some hi tech machine said.

I will say that I've been in some sort of fitness routine my whole life. Even as a kid my dad had me running and doing sprints and where I grew up, loading firewood was a daily chore.

Again, I am only talking when I train consistently and for an extended period. Normally I walk around at less than 10 (I think).

edit -Also never done any PED but I'm thinking of taking HGH. MikeCF, what are your thoughts on jintropin? A guy just said he can get me a kit for 500 that will last a few months. Based on your other posts, sounds like it could be BS

also I'm about 6'3. I could never go to a Mr. Olympia...I have skinny calves no matter what I do ;(

thats pretty amazing. 6'3" 225 5% BF. pretty much god like stature there. mad props to you.

you do have to realize that you're in the less than 1% of natural freaks world wide...so when i'm talking about the impact of crossfit on a person's body, it doesn't apply to you

it applies to guys like me with shit ass genes who would be 40% body fat if they didnt diet and train all the time.

[reaper23]

(10-21-2013 08:57 PM)puckman Wrote:  

(10-21-2013 08:42 AM)reaper23 Wrote:  

(10-20-2013 08:20 PM)puckman Wrote:  

(10-20-2013 06:42 PM)reaper23 Wrote:  

but seriously, what good is it if the "crossfit games" require training that isn't crossfit?

isnt that selling a bill of goods to the general uneducated public that drops $250/mo on box dues?

I dont think so, its always been this way. Since the '08 Games people mostly have been training outside of 'main page.' Its not like its pre-meditated, I have literally watched it get here since 2005 from inside boxes, at the games, etc. Yes there is a marketing aspect to putting Froning front and center, but Crossfit has always put its finest athletes, from the earliest games, front and center, because frankly they are bad ass attractive people. Dont think its a bait and switch, but I do think the functional piece should be promoted more and can be explained more. Thats what the Crossfit Journal is for, but that doesnt get quite the coverage like the sensationalist and sexy stuff.

but the games are meant to promote crossfit

and promote crossfit they do

except to be like those guys in the games, you can't (just) do crossfit

you can't tell me that the enrollment pop boxes get post Games coverage isnt from people thinking, I want to be like that, so I should do xfit.

true, and that gets to my comment about promoting the functionality of the program over the feats of strength and aesthetics. When I started it was all about your Fran time and Total, the games was nearly nonexistent, and it had a sort of hidden mystique of military/LEO doing it. Back then most of the guys in the gym were that too, it had a very cool and functional appeal, plus I came from bicycle racing and was sick of training 15 hours a week.

People come in the gym wanting to do what they see Games athletes do, but if they train regularly, they easily can, just not 5 WOD's in a day worth.

i remember back when there was an underground feel to it. when you're right it was mostly leo/military/fire/rescue people doing it. it seemed a lot more fun then.

hispterizing crossfit.

anyway, i think anything that gets normal people moving is good. i just wish that games were more of a product of the programming is all.

[MikeCF]

(10-22-2013 07:13 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  

Mike,

What is bunk gh? Is it just saline solution or something that isn't harmful? Or do people often get sick from a bad kit?

Sometimes its IGF-1 or some other growth hormone releasing peptide. No one is getting sick from those kits. It's just about getting what one paid for.

There are a lot of good gh alternatives. Google ipamorelin or gh peptides.

They have been widely studied and are effective.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11443201

Those are called "secretagogues." Rather than provide an exogenous form of gh, they cause your body to release more natural gh.

[Duke Castile]

Well like I said this is after training consistently for months. All the guys I know that train CrossFit like that look pretty damn heroic.

MikeCF are these peptides that cause you to release more GH better than injecting the cheap jintropin or whatever?

[MikeCF]

(10-22-2013 04:11 PM)Fisto Wrote:  

Well like I said this is after training consistently for months. All the guys I know that train CrossFit like that look pretty damn heroic.

MikeCF are these peptides that cause you to release more GH better than injecting the cheap jintropin or whatever?

No. Real GH is better.

But peptides are cheaper (around $25-50 a month) and easier to find in pure form (there are many websites selling legit product).

Since you mentioned gh not to lose fat or gain muscle but to help with some injuries, you should look into peptides.

A lot of guys had great results using ipamorelin for injury repair.

Helps with sleep, too, when taken right before bed.

Here's a science paper on ipa:

http://www.eje-online.org/content/139/5/552.full.pdf

There's a lot of good first-hand accounts online, too.

It's the real deal.

[TheBMan]

(10-22-2013 04:27 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

(10-22-2013 04:11 PM)Fisto Wrote:  

Well like I said this is after training consistently for months. All the guys I know that train CrossFit like that look pretty damn heroic.

MikeCF are these peptides that cause you to release more GH better than injecting the cheap jintropin or whatever?

No. Real GH is better.

But peptides are cheaper (around $25-50 a month) and easier to find in pure form (there are many websites selling legit product).

Since you mentioned gh not to lose fat or gain muscle but to help with some injuries, you should look into peptides.

A lot of guys had great results using ipamorelin for injury repair.

Helps with sleep, too, when taken right before bed.

Here's a science paper on ipa:

http://www.eje-online.org/content/139/5/552.full.pdf

There's a lot of good first-hand accounts online, too.

It's the real deal.

Where do you order from?

[MHaes]

Mike,

Do you have any experience with IGF-1? Or GHRP-6?

[MikeCF]

(10-22-2013 10:38 PM)TheBMan Wrote:  

Where do you order from?

I don't answer those types of questions.

If you truly want to know, a little leg work will turn up the answer.

[MikeCF]

(10-22-2013 11:07 PM)MHaes Wrote:  

Do you have any experience with IGF-1? Or GHRP-6?

GHRP6 makes you hungry. I already have a huge appetite.

Skinny guys who want to add weight have had great success with it. It makes a person hungry all of the time.

IGF-1 isn't something most guys should mess with.

I do not research anything to make someone a huge, IFBB type bodybuilder. No IGF-1. No insulin. No mega does of steroids.

My research concerns are with expanding life and increasing quality of life through moderate, intelligent, safe doses of anabolic and androgenic agents.

[Duke Castile]

Awesome info as usual mikeCF

[Bill]

The crossfit philosophy can probably used for marathon running.

"“I do CF Endurance, typically do no more than 25km a week of intervals, tempo and time trials, and I run ultra marathons. Came 34th out of 300 in this year’s Lakeland 50 [an 80km run in the Lake District in the north of England]. Long training runs are a thing of the past!” "

http://www.mensfitnessmagazine.com.au/20...-training/

[Aliblahba]

Where I learned Crossfit:


   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

[Remington]

Just saw this article by Mark Rippletoe. Thought it was an interesting read for those that are into Crossfit.

[Btbob]

(11-03-2013 02:57 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

Where I learned Crossfit:

Crossfit Helmand. No shit. When were you there?

[Aliblahba]

Last year.

[Shooter]

Been doing this since the Summer of 07. 2011 was when I started to Paleo. Then in 2012 I discovered SealFit and I felt like a god. 2013 I added yoga and BJJ. I love this shit. Crossfit was how I stumbled upon pick up (long story for another day).

When I first started off it was before they sold out to Reebok. Now it's more of a fad BUT...find the right instructors and you'll be golden :]

[mikeymike]

(10-22-2013 11:07 PM)MHaes Wrote:  

Mike,

Do you have any experience with IGF-1? Or GHRP-6?

wrong Mike I know but...

real igf is pricey and hard to get, increlex I've seen only a couple times in my travels and both times it was in 1200+ per 10mg range. Even some of the real research lab providers like gropep (companies that sell only to legit researchers only) charge huge bucks but the research companies that show up on the forums charge peanuts so I highly question their products, ive also seen and gotten feedback from enough guys who used them and it backs my doubts...I've never heard anything more than it helped with recovery which seems to be the go to phrasing for guys when they're looking to say something positive but can't come up with anything tangible...I can argue that someone didn't put on muscle, thats easy to see, but how do you argue with somebody saying they recovered faster, kinda have to take their word for it...I don't have the coin to give pharma grade a proper run given what recommended dosing according to increlex makers is, i'd be going thru a vial a day lol. I've heard rumors that some of the top pros use this to take them to the next level but unless you've got the genetics and you're maxed on out on aas/gh and slin, you're not gonna be in a position where the cost would make sense, I wouldn't waste my time looking into this too much.

[Rompetoto]

This physique had real pharmaceutical grade IGF in the blood. Along with a barrage of many other things ha.